LED replacements hit stores empty of 100W bulbs

Nov 12, 2012 by Peter Svensson

(AP)—The first LED bulbs that are about the same size and brightness as regular 100-watt bulbs are reaching stores. They provide an alternative to compact fluorescents after the federal government banned the production of regular 100-watt bulbs at the start of the year because they're energy-inefficient.

Using light-emitting diodes, the new bulbs from Osram Sylvania use 20 watts and cost $50. They are designed to fit regular light fixtures. However, the bulbs are slightly larger than regular bulbs, so they may not fit in all lamps.

Osram's bulb is in limited release at some Lowe's stores, but competitors aren't far behind. Philips plans to start selling its own, slightly brighter 100- equivalent on Home Depot's website starting in a few weeks for about $55.

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thermodynamics
4.5 / 5 (2) Nov 12, 2012
I have both the 40W and the 60W versions in sockets at my house. So far they seem to have very good color and are just as bright as the bulbs they replace. I'm looking forward to the 100W versions.
Modernmystic
2 / 5 (6) Nov 12, 2012
LEDs are hideous light and color. Far worse than florescent bulbs. I'd burn candles rather than use them off the shelf. Fortunately they have filters which make them quite bearable...
bertibus
2.3 / 5 (4) Nov 12, 2012
@thermodynamics: Do you happen to have a record of your upfront cost and payback time?
ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (11) Nov 12, 2012
100 W incandescent are available in the USA.

http://newcandesc...der.html

And spectral content is probably one reason so many still like the incandescent lamps. They have a much broader light spectrum.
LEDs are narrow spectrum
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (16) Nov 12, 2012
This is true. I stocked up on my favorite incandescents when I thought they were going to be pulled off the shelves. LEDs are bad for the eyes so I won't waste my money on them.
Only good use for LEDs are for cave exploring...as a headlamp
dschlink
4.7 / 5 (3) Nov 12, 2012
I love the sun-spectrum CFLs. I've got four 100-watt equivalents in my office, replacing two 60-watt incandescent bulbs. Three times the light and less power use!

I might consider LEDs for a few hard to reach outside floods. The directional nature of LEDs would be fine there. On the other hand, I doubt I'll live long enough to hit payback. 23-25 years!
thermodynamics
3 / 5 (2) Nov 12, 2012
I haven't found the LED color to be a problem at all, As for logging cost and payback time, I have considered them to be an experiment. Cost was $14.88 for each of two 40 W Phillips and 26.88 for each of two 60 W Phillips. I'm just giving them a shot. I have no problems with them so far, but they are very young.
TheGhostofOtto1923
Nov 12, 2012
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Sonhouse
4 / 5 (3) Nov 13, 2012
This is true. I stocked up on my favorite incandescents when I thought they were going to be pulled off the shelves. LEDs are bad for the eyes
-And so is Selbstbefriedigung which you seem to excel at. Maybe this is also why you do not like something else you have never tried?
Maybe that depends on if he is left handed or right handed:)
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 13, 2012
This is true. I stocked up on my favorite incandescents when I thought they were going to be pulled off the shelves. LEDs are bad for the eyes
-And so is Selbstbefriedigung which you seem to excel at. Maybe this is also why you do not like something else you have never tried?
-Blotto

I have no idea what you're talking about, Blotto. And I can see that you don't know what you're talking about either.
I have tried LEDs and I don't like them. Btw, How did that become YOUR problem? Are you telling me what I should or shouldn't buy, just because you think that you're the ghost of the dead Nazi, Otto Skorzeny?

GO TAKE YOUR MEDICATION, BLOTTO. You KNOW how you get when you miss a dose.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (23) Nov 13, 2012
I have tried LEDs and I don't like them. Btw, How did that become YOUR problem?
Well you are obviously lying, because you always lie, and I dont believe liars should be allowed to lie unchallenged. Certainly not here.
Are you telling me what I should or shouldn't buy, just because you think that you're the ghost of the dead Nazi, Otto Skorzeny?
Funny, ritchieguy/pussytard used to call me that. But then we know you are they dont we?
Maybe that depends on if he is left handed or right handed:)
-which leads to non-chiral development and further anomaly. Or deviance if you will.
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Nov 13, 2012
LEDs make nice Christmas tree lights and are useful as s flashlight.
antialias_physorg
3.9 / 5 (7) Nov 13, 2012
Do you happen to have a record of your upfront cost and payback time?

I've switched over almost everywhere to LEDs. Screw the payback time. If I don't have to change a lightbulb in my appartment for the next 15 years then that alone is well worth it.
Estevan57
2.1 / 5 (38) Nov 13, 2012
If anyone knows about being a deviant, it is you, Otto.
ryggesogn2
2.3 / 5 (20) Nov 13, 2012
Do you happen to have a record of your upfront cost and payback time?

I've switched over almost everywhere to LEDs. Screw the payback time. If I don't have to change a lightbulb in my appartment for the next 15 years then that alone is well worth it.

That's YOUR choice. 'Progressives' always believer their way is the best and use state power to force everyone to their way.

BTW, do you expect everyone will plan to stay in the same place for 15 years? Do you plan to take your LEDs with you if you move?
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 13, 2012
At those prices, he would be insane to not take them with him. I have an LED flashlight and one with a strap to use as a headlamp. As for home lighting, I use CFLs and incandescent. I avoid leaving lights on if there's not a good reason for them to be on....and my electric bill is still very cheap.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Nov 13, 2012
I have tried LEDs and I don't like them. Btw, How did that become YOUR problem?
Well you are obviously lying, because you always lie, and I dont believe liars should be allowed to lie unchallenged. Certainly not here.
Are you telling me what I should or shouldn't buy, just because you think that you're the ghost of the dead Nazi, Otto Skorzeny?
Funny, ritchieguy/pussytard used to call me that. But then we know you are they dont we?
Maybe that depends on if he is left handed or right handed:)
-which leads to non-chiral development and further anomaly. Or deviance if you will.
-Blotto

That wasn't me, Blotto. I've never had the pleasure of meeting your Richieguy or pussytard. However, I DID read all the posts that Pussycateyes submitted, and she did say that you named yourself after that Nazi bastard, Otto Skorzeny. Now why would you name yourself after a crazy Nazi, eh Blotto?? Tell us all about it. Then be a good boy and take your meds.
antialias_physorg
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 14, 2012
Do you plan to take your LEDs with you if you move?

Some of them. Why not? Depends on the appartment I will buy and whether the style fits (and also depends on whether the people who will buy my current appartment want them in there or not).

I've had CFLs in the past which weren't cheaper than LEDs when they first came out - and yes: I took them with me twice when I moved.
Of the 9 bulbs or so only 1 burned out in the 15 years I had them. Overall I'd say: good value for the money.

If the LEDs last that long then that's likely to be a bargain, too (the only LED fixture I've already used for a long time is a LED beamer which has served me well for ten years now - at 2-3 hours usage per day. That one certainly saved me a LOT of money compared to other types of beamers)
DonaldJLucas
2.7 / 5 (3) Nov 18, 2012
My wife has a very severe auto-immune problem with the UVB spectrum and we were forced to switch to LED lighting all throughout our house about 4 years ago. At that time, 60W LED equivalents were only sold by direct manufacturers and it was quite difficult to find the good ones. We found that the CFL's put out more considerably more UVB than incandescents and thus were unable to use CFL's.

We are still very happy with our LED lights, both color temperature and long lives (none of our lights have burned out or become dim in the past 4 years), although we have utilized almost exclusively the upward pointing floor lamps for them since the early ones did not have a very broad beam. I'm looking forward to the new 100 watt equivalents.

Incidentally, we also switched our monitors to the LED backlit style when it became available to reduce my wife's exposure to UVB (yes, almost all of the older LCD monitors and laptops utilized fluorescent back lighting which puts out a little UVB).
Eikka
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 18, 2012
It's interesting that the best alternative on the market is not actually LED, but LED/FL hybrid lamps.

Why? Because LEDs have such narrow spectrum in the green-yellow-red range where human vision is most acute that bare RGB LED lamps get CRI ratings below 70/100 when even the cheapest CFLs on the market get about 80/100. That's simply a property of LEDs - the better you build them, the more monochromatic they become.

The best LED bulbs actually employ fluorescent materials which convert some of the blue light into wide band green/yellow radiation to fill the spectrum between red and blue, and achieve CRI over 90.

The fluorescent materials also helps with the spotlight effect by spreading the light, although it does have the problem that the color of the bulb will not be the same in all directions.
Osiris1
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 19, 2012
First on the off subject posts, I doubt the Otto ghost has any connection to the Alt SchutzStaffelnKommando. That dude was born 1908, died 1975, and would have been a good soldier in anyone's army...and loyal to his buddies. No ghost Otto is of another person. Just google and there are many. Artists, social activists, all there.

Now to bulbs. Personally find the color temperature of LED lights too blue for my taste, and the idea of longevity has reared its head before. I have MANY CF assemblies (cannot call them bulbs, really) that promised to last 5, 10, even 12 years. None have lasted more than four to five. Many recent CF's have lasted in my bathroom less than a year, about par with incandescent bulbs. I mark the ceramic bases with the dates of installation with a sharpie pen, and the dates of failure the same way. Tempted to call on the 'guarantees', but those are not worth the ink used to print them....'made in china' with no address or manufacturer but a 'no name'.