Obama has better leadership skills, survey shows

Oct 19, 2012

(Phys.org)—A survey conducted by the University at Buffalo School of Management that evaluated the leadership skills of President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney has found that Obama scored significantly better than Romney in most leadership categories and in overall leadership skill.

Jerry Newman, PhD, SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor in the UB School of Management, conducted a nationwide survey of 250 professors specializing in American politics and the presidency. He asked them to rate the two using the 10 leadership dimensions that are at the heart of the School of Management's LeaderCORE program, a unique leadership certification for UB MBAs.

More than 100 professors responded, rating Obama and Romney on the 10 competencies of LeaderCORE: problem solving/decision making, global and diversity mindset, strategic thinking, team leadership, team skills, communication, interpersonal skills, integrity, results orientation and self-management/adaptability.

"We put the under the same LeaderCORE lens that we use to assess our MBA students," says Newman, who initially conceived the LeaderCORE program. "The students then use the results to create their personal development plans."

The survey asked the professors to rate the candidates' skill level in the 10 leadership competencies on a scale of 1 (well below the average president) to 7 (well above the average president). They also were asked to rank the candidates for overall leadership using the same scale.

According to the results, Obama particularly showed strength as a leader in global and diversity mindset, communication and interpersonal skills.

In fact, on seven of the 10 competencies, Obama's scores were significantly better than Romney's. The only areas where there were no significant differences between the two candidates were team , team leadership and results orientation.

Respondents who gave a score of 1 or 7 on any dimension were asked to give an open-ended example of what behavior led to that evaluation.

"We've seen what a good presenter Obama can be," Newman says. "But the professors also commented on his management of the financial and automotive crises. Obama's ability to adapt in the ever-changing landscape of health care reform and his stance on gay marriage also earned him high marks in adaptability and results orientation."

In a final question, the respondents were asked to provide their political orientation on a scale of 1 (very conservative) to 7 (very liberal).

Seventy-four percent of the professors described themselves on the liberal end of the scale, yet in a regression analysis, the professors' political leaning was not a significant determinant of how they evaluated overall .

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jonnyboy
1.9 / 5 (14) Oct 19, 2012
j/k, right?
ryggesogn2
2.4 / 5 (31) Oct 19, 2012
No wonder academia is in such a sorry state if professors believe BHO is a good leader.
Gammakozy
2.4 / 5 (20) Oct 19, 2012
What a joke. Are we supposed to believe that overwhelmingly left-leaning university professors are objective and know anything about leadership in the real world? How stupid does Newman think people are? Did he learn nothing at MacDonald's? This is not a serious study. It is just another example of an academic trying to promote Obama in his soon-to-fail bid for re-election. Physorg, you disappoint again. What next, an article on how Honey Boo Boo's endorsement of Obama is characteristic of high order thinking? That, at least would be funny.
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (28) Oct 19, 2012
The blind leading the blind, is it any wonder our nation is in the condition it is in.
ValeriaT
2.3 / 5 (16) Oct 19, 2012
The leading of conservatives which ended with giant financial crisis was not any better.. The people in the USA don't remember their history longer than some four-three years... The nation, who don't remember its past don't deserve the future.
cantdrive85
2.4 / 5 (26) Oct 19, 2012
The idea that the financial crisis was sown in the eight years leading up to OBAMA! is asinine and shows an inability to see the big picture, a trait common to most voters.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average (OBAMA! or Romney) voter."
Winston Churchill
rubberman
3.7 / 5 (12) Oct 19, 2012
When I think of the past 10 US presidents...MAYBE Jimmy Carter or Clinton could've have weathered the global shitstorm of the past 4 years as well as Obama has....but I doubt it. If Romney makes it in this will become very apparent.
ryggesogn2
2.4 / 5 (25) Oct 19, 2012
The leading of conservatives which ended with giant financial crisis was not any better.. The people in the USA don't remember their history longer than some four-three years... The nation, who don't remember its past don't deserve the future.

If you do a serious study of why the financial system 'failed' you must go back at least to the mid '90s when the govt under the 'liberals' forced lenders to loan money to people for housing who couldn't afford it. Because of the collapse of the stock market in the late 90's, real estate mortgages were allowed to be sold and bundled as securities. Wachovia bragged in '97 it was securitizing mortgages to meet new govt regulation for loans called the Community Reinvestment Act.
And let's not forget how the 'progressives' enabled the Federal Reserve to control money and how they created govt run 'enterprises' like Freddie and Fannie.
It is the 'progressives' who fail to learn from their failures and we all suffer for them.
freethinking
2.5 / 5 (24) Oct 19, 2012
Who would have thought. A progressive professor would say that Obama has better leadership abilities. Who would have thought. That the Progressive media would report this as news!

Lets see, how has Obama's leadership done with green jobs, a great Progressive leader should be able to pick a few winners with taxpayers money.

http://blog.herit...ailures/

If you voted for Obama the first time, I could believe you were fooled. Vote for him a second time I believe you are a fool.
ValeriaT
2.8 / 5 (10) Oct 19, 2012
If you do a serious study of why the financial system 'failed' you must go back at least to the mid '90s when the govt under the 'liberals' forced lenders to loan money to people for housing who couldn't afford it.
IMO the financial system has simply collapsed after Iraq war in the same way, like it collapsed after Vietnam's war. These wars are ridiculously expensive, the drain the reserves which financial economy needs for its stabilization and the consequences are undeniable. Just compare the prices of crude oil after Vietnam's war and after Iraq war So it's not liberal politics, but republican politics, what has throw the USA into problems in 2007. These graphs speak clearly: every provoked/lost war elevated the price of oil, which did throw the USA into recession. The contemporary problems of civilization with its own growth cannot be solved without replacement of oil with cold fusion.
ValeriaT
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 19, 2012
It means, I don't think, Mr. Obama's appeal to "renewable energy sources" is correct too - it just creates an employment for people dealing the solar and wind plants, but it replaces the draining of energy resources with material ones, so it's not sustainable as well. But voting the republicans would just mean the direct return back into 2007 year, when many Americans slept in tents due the sub-prime mortage crisis. These guys did not learn from Jr. Bush's politics at least a bit. Note that Romney's own company did participate on this crisis too as a typical example of speculative investment company.
ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (23) Oct 19, 2012
IMO the financial system has simply collapsed after Iraq war in the same way, like it collapsed after Vietnam's war. These wars are ridiculously expensive, the drain the reserves which financial economy needs for its stabilization and the consequences are undeniable. Just compare the prices of crude oil after Vietnam's war and after Iraq war So it's not liberal politics, but republican politics, what has throw the USA into problems in 2007. http://thesinosau...tory.gif speak clearly: every provoked/lost war elevated the price of oil, which did throw the USA into recession. The contemporary problems of civilization with its own growth cannot be solved without replacement of oil with cold fusion.

That's the problem, it's your OPINION. Where are some facts and analyses to support your opinion? That's what science is supposed to about is it not?
ValeriaT
2.1 / 5 (9) Oct 19, 2012
It's not secret, for many physicists (who spent their whole life for money of tax payers) even Obama's practical politics is too conservative. But just these physicists did boycott the progress of cold fusion, so they're primarily responsible for contemporary mess. Now these trolls are getting surprised, if not frustrated, that Mr. Obama has not enough of money for their of-topic research.
Pressure2
3.1 / 5 (13) Oct 19, 2012
Rugg2: You must listen to Fox news and right-wing radio. The Federal government NEVER forced banks to loan money to unqualified individuals. It was mortgage originators that did this to feed the demands of Wall Street.

The ruling you refer to in the mid 90's forbid banks from refusing to make loans in certain neighborhoods, that was called Red-Lining. That is ALL it did.

Where I live a Bank abided by that rule, made many loans, kept all its loans and is still doing great all while paying the highest interest rates on savings in the area.
ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (25) Oct 19, 2012
"President Obama's Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures"
"So far, 36 companies that have received federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration's Department of Energy and other agencies. "
"The 2009 stimulus set aside $80 billion to subsidize politically preferred energy projects. Since that time, 1,900 investigations have been opened to look into stimulus waste, fraud, and abuse"
http://blog.herit...ailures/
ValeriaT
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 19, 2012
Where are some facts and analyses to support your opinion?
Did you see the graph, which you linked in your reply? The price of oil escalated in the same years, like the end of Vietnam's and Iraq's war. These wars are ridiculously expensive: not only they consume lotta oil, but they consume it in very expensive way. Of course, these money are missing in many other areas. In this way the natural opponents of USA like the China and Russia are getting rich automatically.
ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (24) Oct 19, 2012
The Federal government NEVER forced banks to loan money to unqualified individuals.

Yes, they did.
FDIC evaluated banks on their CRA compliance and if they didn't comply were punished by the FDIC.
It's like Guido won't force you to pay him protection money, but if you don't, who know what could happen to your business.
The OCT '97 press release by Wachovia explicitly stated they were securitizing mortgages to meet their CRA obligations.
ValeriaT
3.5 / 5 (8) Oct 19, 2012
FDIC evaluated banks on their CRA compliance..
Even if they would, it's a problem of Bush administrative, not liberals. Most of congressmen are deeply conservative and they're occupying their chairs for decades. If you think, they should be less liberal in this matter, how is it possible, these guys are boycotting the Obama's administrative from its very beginning?
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (23) Oct 19, 2012
That is ALL it did.

"Joseph A. Petrucelli is one of the most cautious bankers in America.

In fact, Petrucelli is so cautious that the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. recently criticized his bank for not lending enough.

The FDIC's negative review of East Bridgewater Savings Bank's loan volume is an anomaly in today's current banking scene as lenders reel from their role in offering too many cruddy mortgage products to borrowers with weak credit."
"the FDIC slapped East Bridgewater Savings with a rare "needs to improve" rating after evaluating the bank under the Community Reinvestment Act"
http://www.bizjou...page=all
Pressure2
2.7 / 5 (9) Oct 19, 2012
Rygg2, educate yourself. Get some more objective information, click on the Wiki link below.

Housing tax policy
Deregulation
Criticism of mandated loans as the cause of the crisis
Mortgage interest rates
Regions affected
'Mania' for home ownership
Belief that housing is a good investment
Promotion in the media
Speculative fever
Buying and selling above normal multiples
Crash of the dot-com bubble
Historically low interest rates
Return to higher rates
Expansion of subprime lending
Risky products

http://en.wikiped...g_bubble
Pressure2
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 19, 2012
So Rygg2, what's your point? It appears the Feds did not force this bank to make any bad loans did it?

And then there's East Bridgewater Savings.

Bad or delinquent loans?

Zero.

Foreclosures?

None.

Money set aside in 2008 for anticipated loan losses?

Nothing.

http://www.bizjou...page=all
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (21) Oct 19, 2012
So Rygg2, what's your point? It appears the Feds did not force this bank to make any bad loans did it?

And then there's East Bridgewater Savings.

Bad or delinquent loans?

Zero.

Foreclosures?

None.

Money set aside in 2008 for anticipated loan losses?

Nothing.

http://www.bizjou...page=all

They were punished, by the federal govt, for NOT making more loans to meet CRA obligations.
ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (22) Oct 19, 2012
"It is popular to take low lending standards as proof that the free market has failed, that the system that is supposed to reward productive behavior and punish unproductive behavior has failed to do so. Yet this claim ignores that for years irrational lending standards have been forced on lenders by the federal Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and rewarded (at taxpayers' expense) by multiple government bodies."
"Under the CRA, banks must convince a set of bureaucracies that they are not engaging in discrimination, a charge that the act encourages any CRA-recognized community group to bring forward. Otherwise, any merger or expansion the banks attempt will likely be denied. But what counts as discrimination?"
http://www.forbes...ook.html
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (22) Oct 19, 2012
"Beginning in 1992, Congress pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their purchases of mortgages going to low and moderate income borrowers. For 1996, the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave Fannie and Freddie an explicit target -- 42% of their mortgage financing had to go to borrowers with income below the median in their area. The target increased to 50% in 2000 and 52% in 2005.

For 1996, HUD required that 12% of all mortgage purchases by Fannie and Freddie be "special affordable" loans, typically to borrowers with income less than 60% of their area's median income. That number was increased to 20% in 2000 and 22% in 2005. The 2008 goal was to be 28%. Between 2000 and 2005, Fannie and Freddie met those goals every year, funding hundreds of billions of dollars worth of loans, many of them subprime and adjustable-rate loans, and made to borrowers who bought houses with less than 10% down."
http://online.wsj...341.html
Pressure2
2.7 / 5 (9) Oct 19, 2012
Rygg2, you may call a "negative review" punishment, I don't. If every bank in the US sat on the same percentage of their money the East Bridgewater Bank sat on the US would be in Super Great Depression.
ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (20) Oct 19, 2012
Rygg2, you may call a "negative review" punishment, I don't. If every bank in the US sat on the same percentage of their money the East Bridgewater Bank sat on the US would be in Super Great Depression.

How does a bank make money? By making loans that can be paid back. And what business is it of the US govt as to how EBB decides to make its money?
A negative review IS punishment in the VERY HIGHLY regulated world of banks.
Pressure2
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 19, 2012
Rygg2: You keep quoting right-wing sources like Forbes and the Fox owned WSJ. They only tell 25% of the whole story. You need to read the previous Wiki link I gave you.

By the way can you figure out who made the other 76% of the subprime loans? Notice also 98% of Fannie's loans were making timely payments at the start of the economic crash of 2008.
Freddie and Fannie did not create the housing bubble, but THEY became victims of it!

"In 2006, Fannie and Freddie insured 24% of all subprime loans so they needed to keep these loans viable.

Over 98% of Fannie's loans were paying timely during 2008."

http://en.wikiped..._freddie
Pressure2
2.6 / 5 (7) Oct 19, 2012
Rygg2, you may call a "negative review" punishment, I don't. If every bank in the US sat on the same percentage of their money the East Bridgewater Bank sat on the US would be in Super Great Depression.

How does a bank make money? By making loans that can be paid back. And what business is it of the US govt as to how EBB decides to make its money?
A negative review IS punishment in the VERY HIGHLY regulated world of banks.

Let's put it this way, if the Edgewater Bank was owned by stock holders that president would have been gone before he even had one negative review. He's the worst banker I ever heard of, thanks for pointing him out!
Pressure2
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 19, 2012
Quote: "Between 2000 and 2005, Fannie and Freddie met those goals every year, funding hundreds of billions of dollars worth of loans, many of them subprime and adjustable-rate loans, and made to borrowers who bought houses with less than 10% down."
http://online.wsj...341.html

Horrors of Horrors, how terrible! At this same time Wall Street was buying home loans with "no docs" and loaning up to 125% of the purchase price.

Streetwise
3 / 5 (8) Oct 19, 2012
BH Obama was a mediocre neighborhood organizer. As a Senator and President he's been a miserable failure. For left wing college professors, if you have the "correct" ideology, results don't matter.
Caliban
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 19, 2012
What a joke. Are we supposed to believe that overwhelmingly left-leaning university professors [...] What next, an article on how Honey Boo Boo's endorsement of Obama is characteristic of high order thinking? That, at least would be funny.


It does appear, Gammak, that they are capable of higher thinking than a number of the commenters here, ie, ryggsuckn', cantdrive, freithinking. And don't forget yourself. Did you even read the whole article? Your doubt was specifically addressed:

In a final question, the respondents were asked to provide their political orientation on a scale of 1 (very conservative) to 7 (very liberal). Seventy-four percent of the professors described themselves on the liberal end of the scale, yet in a regression analysis, the professors' political leaning was not a significant determinant of how they evaluated overall leadership.


And it is pure delusion to think that there are no Conservative professors -especially in Business Schools.

ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (21) Oct 19, 2012
"high marks in adaptability and results orientation.""
What results?
He failed to do what he SAID he would do before he was elected.
However, he has not failed to do what he really wanted to do, increase the size and scope of the socialist state.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (14) Oct 20, 2012
U.S. welfare expenditures have grown to a trillion dollars due to the failure of Libertarian/Randite fiscal policy as practiced by one of Ayn Rand's own child disciples - Alan Greenspan.

Greenspan made a public spectacle of himself when he denounced his own core Randite ideology as a failure.

Here is a video of him admitting to the Libertarian ideological failure that has Bankrupted America.

http://www.youtub...LezCyzCI
VendicarD
1.9 / 5 (10) Oct 20, 2012
America needs more tax cuts for the wealthy.

They pay for themselves.

http://www.youtub...=related

http://www.youtub...=related
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 20, 2012
Perhaps RyggTard can explain to us why one of the biggest disciples of Free Market Randism/Libertarianism has said that RyggTard's chosen ideology is fundamentally flawed.

Does RyggTard think that he knows more about Free Markets than Alan Greenspan? Does he think he knows more about Randism than the principle student of Rand herself?

America's failure is the direct result of RyggTard's failed ideology.

ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (20) Oct 20, 2012
Limited govt and free markets were destroyed in the USA by the 'progressives' over 100 years ago.

The present condition of the US economy and most of the world is entirely the product of the socialist, regulatory state.
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2012
"The open society as thus conceived of by Popper may be defined as 'an association of free individuals respecting each other's rights within the framework of mutual protection supplied by the state, and achieving, through the making of responsible, rational decisions, a growing measure of humane and enlightened life' (Levinson, R.B. In Defense of Plato, 17). As such, Popper holds, it is not a utopian ideal, but an empirically realised form of social organisation which, he argues, is in every respect superior to its (real or potential) totalitarian rivals. But he does not engage in a moral defence of the ideology of liberalism; rather his strategy is the much deeper one of showing that totalitarianism is typically based upon historicist and holist presuppositions, and of demonstrating that these presuppositions are fundamentally incoherent."
http://plato.stan.../popper/
Why isn't Popper respected by scientists for these views?
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (19) Oct 20, 2012
The Dear Leader:

"People Died, Obama Lied"
http://www.breitb...ama-Lied

VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 20, 2012
So the Conservatives really do want to take America back to the horse and buggy days.

Just as we always expected.

"Limited govt and free markets were destroyed in the USA by the 'progressives' over 100 years ago." - RyggTard
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 20, 2012
Europe is suffering from adopting the same Libertarian/Randite economic policies as America.

One big difference though is that the Europeans have learned from their errors.

RyggTard won't even recognize them when the chief architect of his nation's economic failure admits to them being caused by the failure of his Libertarian/Randite ideology.

RyggTard is of course, mentally diseased. His brain is wired for self delusion.

Death is the only cure for his kind of mental disorder.

"The present condition of the US economy and most of the world is entirely the product of the socialist, regulatory state." - RyggTard
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 20, 2012
I'm not sure what this "lie" is that RyggTard and the other Tea-Tards are ranting about.

Apparently a mistake was made in the attribution of the motivation of the attackers on a U.S. embassy that used a protest as a cover.

"People Died, Obama Lied" - RyggTard

The real issue here of course, is the Republicans who voted to cut funding for embassy security.

Poor RyggTard. He gets what he wants, and then when it blows up in his face, he blames someone else.

How Conservative/Libertarian of him.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 20, 2012
Perhaps RyggTard can explain to us why one of the biggest disciples of Free Market Randism/Libertarianism has said that RyggTard's chosen ideology is fundamentally flawed. Does RyggTard think that he knows more about Free Markets than Alan Greenspan?

Does he think he knows more about Randism than the principle student of Rand herself?

America's failure is the direct result of RyggTard's failed ideology.

And RyggTard still hasn't explained why his moral mentor - Ayn Rand thought that hacking off the legs of an 8 year old girl to get better access to her genitals, made the murderer a "Moral Superman", to Ayn Rand who befriended him as he assisted her in writing her works of fiction from his prison cell.

Any thoughts on that RyggTard?
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (11) Oct 20, 2012
If you do a serious study of why the financial system 'failed' you must go back at least to the mid '90s when the govt under the 'liberals' forced lenders to loan money to people for housing who couldn't afford it.
Riggie are you related to Romney? Your BS has a familiar stink.
Limited govt and free markets were destroyed in the USA by the 'progressives' over 100 years ago.
Funny I seem to be doing ok. Perhaps you're not on 'adapt' side of the "adapt or die" dilemma? That means you suck at playing the capitalism game, riggie.
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 20, 2012
Rugg2: You must listen to Fox news and right-wing radio. The Federal government NEVER forced banks to loan money to unqualified individuals. It was mortgage originators that did this to feed the demands of Wall Street.
FHA is an insurance policy for banks against defaults. It's done with a carrot not a stick. Making the loan risk-free is a MASSIVE FAVOR TO THE BANK. It's free money. Riggie is just making up **** as always.
Pressure2
3 / 5 (10) Oct 20, 2012
The Dear Leader:

"People Died, Obama Lied"
http://www.breitb...ama-Lied


Bush lied 4000 plus died. Oh, don't forget the trillion plus dollars wasted because of his lies also.
ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (21) Oct 20, 2012
" The Department of Defense reports 1,650 combat deaths in total in Afghanistan since the beginning of the war in 2001. That's a rough average of 150 deaths a year. Obama has played a hundred rounds of golf with White House staffers but can't write a single condolence letter every other day."
"The contrast with President Bush is remarkable. Bush (who played golf 24 times and then stopped playing in deference to the troops) sent personal letters to the families of "every one of the more than 4,000 troops who have died in the two wars, an enormous personal effort that ... escaped public notice." President Bush also met privately with "more than 500 families of troops killed in action and with more than 950 wounded veterans ... outside the presence of the news media."
"All Americans can say the same: in playing politics with national security, Obama is not looking out for our lives."
http://www.americ...ama.html
ValeriaT
2.8 / 5 (9) Oct 20, 2012
American military and State Department families that have lost their sons in the war against Islamic jihadis are outing President Obama for playing politics with the lives (and deaths) of their sons.
So, should they vote for Romney, which openly urges for direct military strike against Iran? The Iran war could bury a way more Americans. With compare to Obama Mr. Romney is just warmonger... Note that Obama didn't start the Afghanistan, neither Iran war - the Republicans did. It was just pres. Obama who terminated both wars instead...;-)
ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (19) Oct 20, 2012
Note that Obama didn't start the Afghanistan,


No, it was the Afghan govt for allowing the Taliban to operate in their county to attack West.
The US Congress and the UN authorized the use of force in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (12) Oct 20, 2012
Note that Obama didn't start the Afghanistan,
No, it was the Afghan govt for allowing the Taliban to operate in their county to attack West.
When did the Taliban attack your USA, riggie? Aren't you being a bit collectivist backing unjustified war? Hypocrites have nothing on you.
ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (17) Oct 20, 2012
Libya is now all Obama's doing as he authorized the use of force to support NATO without approval of Congress and is now attempting to cover up his failure to achieve the goal of driving AlQueda out of Libya and for failing to protect the US ambassador in Libya from being murdered by Al Queda.
What a leader!
ValeriaT
2.6 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2012
it was the Afghan govt for allowing the Taliban to operate in their county to attack West
LOL, could you explain, how the Taliban could attack the USA, if it's 20.000 km away...? It's evident, the USA had come to Afghanistan, not vice-versa. With the same logics I could say, that the Vietnam attacked the USA or that Poland attacked the Nazi Germany first (yes, this propaganda was quite widespread with Nazi). It's evident, that patriotism of many convinced Republicans doesn't differ very much from Goebbels propaganda.
Jimee
1 / 5 (1) Oct 21, 2012
bullies and liars always make the best managers?
VINDOC
2 / 5 (4) Oct 21, 2012
Obama is an empty suit. Valerie Jarrett is running the show. Read his books. Look at his mentors and religious influences. He is nothing more then a good reading black man. In 2008 in Jordan he hmmed and ahhed for 8 minutes. Take away the teleprompter and there is nothing. He's a joke and a lie.
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (8) Oct 22, 2012
Are we supposed to believe that overwhelmingly left-leaning university professors are objective and know anything about leadership in the real world?

As opposed to the average Joe? Certainly. They, at least, have to lead their students.

The idea that the financial crisis was sown in the eight years leading up to OBAMA!

You're right It started with deregulating the financial sector (which was a republican baby)
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (19) Oct 22, 2012
They, at least, have to lead their students.

'Liberal' professors indoctrinate students. They don' lead.

deregulating the financial sector

What deregulation?
The CRA was not repealed. Govt sponsored 'enterprises' were still required by regulations to buy poor quality mortgages.
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Oct 22, 2012
"The latest [dictator] to publicly announce his support for the commander-in-chief's reelection bid was Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who this week assured he'd vote for Obama if he were from the United States. The America-bashing strongman made the announcement on state-owned television, saying "Obama is a good guy" and that if Obama was from Caracas, he'd surely return the favor by voting for Chavez.

Read more: http://times247.c...A1jlpLCA

University dictators agree with the political dictators.
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (8) Oct 22, 2012
'Liberal' professors indoctrinate students

And you base this assessment on ...what? Contrary to your belief there is precious little in the way of smalltalk during lectures at college/uni (or even high school). If you'd ever attended any of these you'd know this (and consequently would know how foolish your remark was).

What universities DO foster is that people think for themselves. And it is heartening to see that people who are capable of such a feat indpenedently come to the same conclusions.
freethinking
2.6 / 5 (17) Oct 22, 2012
It is interesting who supports Obama. Chavez, Castro, Putin, Terrorists, Communists, Progressives. They must think he is either a Great leader, or such a bad one that if he wins again he will finally destroy the USA.

Remember, your friends and mentors shows who you are.

Obama's Friends and Mentors include: Terrorists, Pedophiles, Racists, American Haters, Bullies, and Communists. Did I leave anything out?
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Oct 22, 2012
What universities DO foster is that people think for themselves.

Have you ever attended a 'Women's Studies' course? If you don't support the POV of the 'professor' you fail.

Why do so many university graduates think like their liberal professors when they graduate IF they are really taught to think for themselves?
And why do universities tolerate such one sided POVs in their departments?
BTW, Carl Popper, for one, does not support the Marxism taught at universities so don't assert that socialism is the only intelligent way to think.
"If your not a liberal at 20 you have no heart if you are not a conservation at 40 your have no brain." Churchill
freethinking
2.9 / 5 (18) Oct 22, 2012
rygg. Don't try to convince progressives that there is no bias at school. They are either lying, ignorant, or agree with the bias and so don't see it.

Truth is students are beginning to wise up and are laughing at these courses and the teachers/professors that teach them.

freethinking
3 / 5 (16) Oct 22, 2012
You know a leader by the company he keeps and from whom he seeks advice.

Obama wouldn't have an open door policy for terrorists unless he supported them. He wouldn't lie that a terrorist attack in which 4 Americans were murder was a simple riot caused by a Youtube video no one seen, unless he wanted to either support and protect the terrorist or suppress free speech.

http://www.invest...te-house
freethinking
2.6 / 5 (17) Oct 22, 2012
Progressives and sock puppets. Why do progressives always use sock puppets. Obama uses them, aka ACORN, ACLU, MSN, etc. and so do the Radical Progressives on this board.

It must be their leadership style! How do you know if you are winning an argument with a Progressive? Their sock puppets come out!
Deathclock
3.3 / 5 (7) Oct 22, 2012
U.S. welfare expenditures have grown to a trillion dollars due to the failure of Libertarian/Randite fiscal policy as practiced by one of Ayn Rand's own child disciples - Alan Greenspan.


Did you seriously just imply that libertarians or followers of Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy would support state funded welfare?

My God you are an idiot... Libertarians do not want state funded welfare... Neither do Randians... maybe you should try reading even just the first paragraph from wiki on either of the two philosophies before you talk about them.
Deathclock
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 22, 2012
Have you ever attended a 'Women's Studies' course? If you don't support the POV of the 'professor' you fail.


Maybe at the shitty community college you attended...

I remember distinctly my World Religions course, taught by a Christian, where I made it blatantly obvious that I was an Atheist and wrote papers as such and I passed with an A...

Keep your ten cent "college" experience to yourself.
Deathclock
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 22, 2012
Vendicar thinks that libertarians are in favor of state funded welfare... keep that in mind when you read the following:

"Welfare: immediate repeal of all welfare primarily on moral grounds but also on the terribly destructive aspects of government welfare programs. People have a right to their own earnings and no one has the right to take someone else's money against his will."

http://www.fff.or...atIs.asp

Vendicar couldn't be more of an idiot if he was doing it on purpose. I don't know whether it's more disturbing that he is completely backwards on his understanding here or that he got more positive ratings than negative ones for that post...
ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (17) Oct 22, 2012
DC, he is doing it on purpose.

Maybe at the shitty community college you attended...

This was at the U. AZ in Tucson.

taught by a Christian,

I am not surprised. Christians are quite tolerant. It is the 'liberals' and atheists who are not. Dawkins and Ehrlich come to mind.
rubberman
3.3 / 5 (7) Oct 22, 2012
rygg. Don't try to convince progressives that there is no bias at school. They are either lying, ignorant, or agree with the bias and so don't see it.

Truth is students are beginning to wise up and are laughing at these courses and the teachers/professors that teach them.



Wow guys.

@free- Nobody who earned the money or scholarship that keeps them in college laughs if they have a poor/unknowledgable professor, those who are truly there for an education feel cheated if they feel they should be receiving more for their tuition fees.

"University dictators"?? Just as common as evil heart surgeons and psychotic daycare providers I would imagine.

"Keep your ten cent "college" experience to yourself."
Exactly.

freethinking
2.8 / 5 (18) Oct 22, 2012
Progressive College Professors if you disagree with their POV, you fail and are harrassed. This is common knowledge esp. with those taking hard science. Those in hard science do complain about wasting time taking mandated progressive propaganda garbage courses. (However some do say they are easy to pass, just repeat, women, blacks, gays are persecuted and are noble, white, christian, conservative, males are evil and you pass with an A , no thinking or effort required) So who do you complain to if your Progressive teacher is horrible? Yea right, you go to Progressives in charge, they'll stand up for you right?

DC, I'm not suprised that a Christian Professor gave you an A IF you presented your material well. Remember Conservatives believe in free speech, freedom, and honesty.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 22, 2012
"Obama has better leadership skills, survey shows"

-Not according to Fox.
The Dear Leader:

"People Died, Obama Lied"
http://www.breitb...ama-Lied

RYGGY

This is a non-issue. A situation where an administration was being cautious about what it said publically because of the potential for similar violence around the world. Obama did the RIGHT THING by attempting to diffuse the situation.

What makes you think the public needed to know the particulars or not? You and Fox are sounding suspiciously ultra-liberal in your demands for disclosure of sensitive intelligence info.

Whats scary is all the odious and obviously false crap Fox is spewing in order to unseat the president. Insurance empires and dirty fossil fuel magnates can be very ruthless.
Remember Conservatives believe in free speech, freedom, and honesty.
And I see FT believes everything he hears on Fox as well. Sad.
freethinking
2.6 / 5 (17) Oct 22, 2012
Progressives at University bans Christian group, why? Because they expect their leadership to adhere to basic biblical truth.

http://www.weekly...220.html

Hummm... trust progressives! Yea, you can have a christian club, just as long as an athiest can run it.

Reminds me of China. You can have a Christian church as long as the state allows it. Or in Egypt where you can have a church as long as you can get a permit AND no Muslim would be, could be, might be, possibly be, offended that it is there.

Progressives, trust me when I say Students, esp. hard science students at Universities, are laughing at you.
Deathclock
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 22, 2012
The worlds most intelligent and educated people (academia) don't support your position? No problem, just baselessly accuse them (as an entire group) of being intellectually dishonest!

I hate how people think.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 22, 2012
Yea, you can have a christian club, just as long as an athiest can run it.
From your link:

"Tufts University in Medford, Massachusetts has banned a Christian group from campus because the group requires student leaders to adhere to "basic biblical truths of Christianity.""

-What truths? There was a king named herod. There was a place called egypt. There were actually people called the hittites. Universities already teach these things.

Was there an exodus? No. Was there a murderous joshuan rampage? No. Was there a david/solomon kingdom? Uh no. Scientists have debunked these myths. Xians would gain much cred by expunging these fairy tales from their books. And people who teach them as if they were fact should not be allowed to do so in a university setting. The truth is neither liberal nor conservative, and has very little to do with religion.
antialias_physorg
not rated yet Oct 22, 2012
I'm not sure that will work with lasers.
The way I calculate it - even if you could get constant 0.1g acceleration with a laser (which seems ludicrously large) you'd need to accelerate out to 100 times Neptune orbit to reach 0.1c

And I'm not convinced one can get a laser to project power that far out.
antialias_physorg
not rated yet Oct 22, 2012
Another thing to consider: With a laser you aren't mobile. There is no way to react to anything in your path. (you'd need to 'phone back' - which can take months/years for them to adjust the beam so you can go somewhere else). But at those speeds you only have seconds (if that) to react to smallish dangers. Even one grain of sand will rip you apart.

And of you think of using something heavy for shieielding (like ice or somesuch) then forget about those 0.1g.
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (16) Oct 22, 2012
The worlds most intelligent and educated people (academia)

That is very subjective.
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2012
oops...wrong thread ;-)
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 22, 2012
Otto,

So you wouldn't mind a Conservative Christian running a Progressive Athiest Club. You cant discriminate, right?

How about a pro-lifer leading a abortion club?

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 22, 2012
Otto,

So you wouldn't mind a Conservative Christian running a Progressive Athiest Club. You cant discriminate, right?
Well, he would have to be able to admit that the flood never happened, and that paul didnt write upwards of 40% of the things in the bible attributed to him, and that the last 11 verses of mark are a complete futz job, among other things. I would have to make a list.

I really dont think there would be many applicants do you?
How about a pro-lifer leading a abortion club?
Hey did you know that romney is pro-life but favors contraception because he believes life begins at conception and that merely thwarting gods will with latex and twisty little wires and foam does not rise to the level of bonafide sinliness?

But I think he is pushing his luck dont you? At any rate, I dont think he would apply for the job of atheist chairperson either, even though he will be (more) unemployed after the election. Just as well. I am sure he will find something to do.
freethinking
3 / 5 (16) Oct 22, 2012
Otto, why should the christian need to do all those things to lead an Athiest Club? All an Athiest need to do is agree with the 8 points of christianity then they can head the Christian club.

Sorry I forgot, you are a progressive, just like Obama and you believe that athiest, abortionist and progressives should have more rights than conservatives or christians.

I forgot, bad me, Progressives believe in equal and special rights for everyone, other than christians.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 22, 2012
Sorry I forgot, you are a progressive, just like Obama and you believe that athiest, abortionist and progressives should have more rights than conservatives or christians.
Sorry but I am no progressive. I believe in truth and I know that religionists are chock full of a whole lot of stuff besides the truth. For instance
Progressives believe in equal and special rights for everyone, other than christians.
Pat Robertson thinks this nation 'belongs to jesus'. This is offensive not only to atheists but to any other religionist you may want to ask. Do xians care? They only hope heathens will find Jesus.

And these are things you also believe. Right?
Otto, why should the christian need to do all those things to lead an Athiest Club?
This is like saying you would want an imam as your new pastor. Would that work? Don't ask stupid questions please.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (26) Oct 22, 2012
Athiest need to do is agree with the 8 points of christianity then they can head the Christian club.
Uh what about the 10 commandments which begin with that 'no other gods before me' crap? What about the apostles creed? What about 'the bible is the immaculate word of god'? Are those oaths and chants optional in you particular cult?

Oh and thanks for derailing the thread.
Estevan57
2.4 / 5 (32) Oct 22, 2012
Otto, if you are going to downvote all of freethinkings' posts, why not be a man and do it as yourself, instead of using your sockpuppet lite? Pussy.
VendicarD
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 23, 2012
Why keep lying Tard Boy. You have been repeatedly shown that this is not the case.

"Govt sponsored 'enterprises' were still required by regulations to buy poor quality mortgages." - RyggTard

In fact your own Libertarian CATO institute concluded in a 2003 anti-American propaganda piece that the CRA had become in their words "irrelevant" in increasing loans to low income families.

And later the Libertarian propaganda group, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, concluded the same thing.

Now how can it be, tard boy, that your own Libertarian organizations found the CRA to be "irrelevant", and just a couple of years later, they start feeding bottom feeders like you the line that the CRA was the cause of the grand economic failure of the Bush Administration?

Which is it? "irrelevant" or catastrophic?

Odd isn't it, that these Libertarian organizations claimed that the CRA was irrelevant even as Bush was touting it's success as HIS program to expand home ownership in America?

VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 23, 2012
RyggTard. Lets be honest. You never finished high school, and have never set foot on a university campus.

Your knowledge of what "Liberal" professors do is based on quack tard nonsense fed to you by your fellow quack tards.

"'Liberal' professors indoctrinate students. They don' lead." - RyggTard

You are right on one point though. Education produces Liberal Minds.

Knowledge naturally does that to a person.
VendicarD
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 23, 2012
Proving that Chavez is much more intelligent than RyggTard.

"The latest [dictator] to publicly announce his support for the commander-in-chief's reelection bid was Venezuela's Hugo Chavez" - RyggTard

VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 23, 2012
Isn't it interesting that Rand herself chose to suckle from the Government teat to pay for her cancer treatment that otherwise would have bankrupted her.

Cancer she developed from a life of heavy smoking - aided by her denialism regarding the causial link between smoking and lung cancer.

"Did you seriously just imply that libertarians or followers of Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy would support state funded welfare?" - DeathTard

No, my illiterate little toad... I said...

"U.S. welfare expenditures have grown to a trillion dollars due to the failure of Libertarian/Randite fiscal policy as practiced by one of Ayn Rand's own child disciples - Alan Greenspan."
EBENEZR
2 / 5 (6) Oct 23, 2012
You guys really need to keep your childishness under control. Suffixing, or replacing the last syllable of, the names of people with whom you disagree with "tard" is very immature. Are you all still aged between 12-15?

Was there an exodus? No. Was there a murderous Joshuan rampage? No. Was there a david/solomon kingdom? Uh no. Scientists have debunked these myths. Xians would gain much cred by expunging these fairy tales from their books. And people who teach them as if they were fact should not be allowed to do so in a university setting. The truth is neither liberal nor conservative, and has very little to do with religion.


Regarding many of the stories in the Bible, such as the Exodus and the Flood story, I don't think they need to be expunged, but taken in a context of an allegory rather than literal. The literal approach is enforced by fundamentalists with nothing behind them but their pride and arrogance that they must be right. Some humility would do them some good, no?
Deathclock
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 23, 2012
"Did you seriously just imply that libertarians or followers of Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy would support state funded welfare?" - DeathTard

No, my illiterate little toad... I said...

"U.S. welfare expenditures have grown to a trillion dollars due to the failure of Libertarian/Randite fiscal policy as practiced by one of Ayn Rand's own child disciples - Alan Greenspan."


Oh I see, so because libertarians and Randians OPPOSE welfare our welfare spending has grown under the leadership of someone who follows those ideals... that makes a ton of sense.

You made a mistake, man up to it.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (26) Oct 23, 2012
Otto, if you are going to downvote all of freethinkings' posts, why not be a man and do it as yourself, instead of using your sockpuppet lite? Pussy.
I am not lite. Lite often downrates me. If you are going to downrate people why don't you be a MAN and do it yourself rather than paying a LITTLE GIRL to do it for you?
they need to be expunged, but taken in a context of an allegory
So you prefer a disclaimer? The holy books say what they say. They SAY they are all the literal truth as dictated by god. Science has proven that they are not.

They also say in the same context that these gods will grant your wishes and let you live forever. They also say that services in return for these privileges include persecuting and killing heathens, and martyring oneself and ones family.

So you are right that it is not enough to expunge the fairy tales. The false promises which compel so many to do EVIL for their gods must also be erased. And what would be left? Nothing.
EBENEZR
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 23, 2012
I am not lite. Lite often downrates me.


That's funny, because lite seems to downrate everyone else a lot more often. Your current page only lists two rates from lite and one of them is a 5, this comment here. Of course, you need to give yourself a few downrates from lite every now and again to make it appear like you are separate but whether you are or not is not proved by the fact you have a few down rates if you consider the possibility you are using this account which never leaves any comment.

So you prefer a disclaimer? The holy books say what they say. They SAY they are all the literal truth as dictated by god. Science has proven that they are not.


I think only the Muslims have consistently said theirs is a literal truth. There are many Christians and Jews who do not consider their older books to be literal truth. Anyway I'm not getting into this with you because you are so hung up on the subject I can't help but think you have some underlying emotional problems.
Deathclock
2 / 5 (4) Oct 23, 2012
Otto, if you are going to downvote all of freethinkings' posts, why not be a man and do it as yourself, instead of using your sockpuppet lite? Pussy.


Otto is not lite... lite downvotes every single post I make. While Otto and I have clashed in the past we are generally in agreement with each other (most of the time)
VendicarD
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 23, 2012
Since the Randite/Libertarian ideology is not founded in reality the results of the application of their failed ideology has produced results that have run counter to their expectations.

Should Ronmey win, watch how quickly America decends back into Bush era Depression.

"Oh I see, so because libertarians and Randians OPPOSE welfare our welfare spending has grown under the leadership of someone who follows those ideals..." - DeathClock
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 23, 2012
That's funny, because lite seems to downrate everyone else a lot more often. Your current page only lists two rates from lite and one of them is a 5
So fucking what? I dont lie. Check my profile page for documentation on at least one of the liars who post here.
Otto is not lite... lite downvotes every single post I make. While Otto and I have clashed in the past we are generally in agreement with each other
Correct. I generally only downrate assholes or people who refuse to accept the obvious. Or assholes. Did I say that already?

@EB

You are as good at sweeping generalizations as the pussytard menagerie, which is suspicious. 1.5B Muslims come in all flavors. Many many Jews and xians believe that the bible is the literal word of god. Because it SAYS it is in no uncertain terms.

People who want to equivocate for convenience are violating one if the most fundamental principles of your religion. Sooner or later some fanatic will come around and remind you of this.
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (32) Oct 23, 2012
Otto Otto Otto, you are one of the biggest, most prolific liars in history. You have stated that I am at least 10 different people. You have said that others are the same people. You said that I sent you gay porn! You make shit up, put it on your profile page and call it documentation.

You make your mother proud.
They used to be called jumpolines until she got on one.

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 23, 2012
You make shit up, put it on your profile page and call it documentation.
Hey scummy troll,

-Anybody can google what I've posted and confirm it for themselves yes?
You make your mother proud.
They used to be called jumpolines until she got on one.
Now, see, people can read this and the many scummy posts just like it that you drop here, and realize that you are the kind of person who WOULD post gay porn links on a site like this, as well as references to sex acts which you should realize are not appropriate for little girls like your niece to read. And yet you PAY her to read them, by your own admission.

You're so transparent. And so's your idiot gf.
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (32) Oct 24, 2012
Ha Ha Ha. Otto you seem to be obsessed with my niece.
If anyone is scummy it would be you.
The jokes on you. She used my account name while I was on vacation, and gave you 8 1s in 3 days about 3 months ago. And it still bothers you soooo much. And by the way, she's 24.

I laugh at your insecurity, your false pride and your obsession with her. You keep accusing me of the porn links even though they were from PussyCatEyes.

Even after I sent a link to the article. Amazing the power of denial. (Mental Illness)

Maybe if you say it enough someone will believe it and pity the poor aggrieved Otto. (lite)

I can have no pity on such a creature as you, you just don't deserve any. You can't even take a yo mama joke.
Most Nazi's can't.

Take your meds, Otto. That seems to be a reoccurring theme on the comments section. How many times have you heard it? Many times?
There's a reason for that.
Have a pleasant day.
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (32) Oct 24, 2012
Hey scummy troll, here is the article and comments section you keep accusing me with.
Oops, not me. Dumbass

http://phys.org/n...rth.html

You can be Googled and called a liar too.

It also shows how many times you vote for yourself. lol

You are the fat kid who wears the shirt in the pool.
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (32) Oct 24, 2012
Hmmm, the comments even have YOU referencing a sex act.
How uh, revealing, Otto.

And the same sound you made at RitchieGuy ages ago too.
Hmmm. I guess credibility is overated for you, yes?

Perhaps you should be "documented".
For the sake of the children.
Just another evil clown. Otto is a clowns name, after all.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (19) Oct 24, 2012
@estevan57
You may be interested to know that Blotto MAY be complimenting you, inadvertently or otherwise, by calling you an Esai.
Check out the Urban Dictionary: http://www.urband...erm=Esai

Here's another alternative: the name Esai means "God is Salvation"
http://www.babyna...ame/Esai

But who knows? Blotto might be referring to www.esai.com - but I doubt it.

Oh btw…In case no one knew, the news is that if Romney wins, some Blacks have threatened to riot and assassinate the winner. Some of them believe that Romney will take away their welfare checks and food stamps that they buy beer and Twinkies with. Anything to keep from having to GET A JOB!!!
EBENEZR
2 / 5 (6) Oct 24, 2012

People who want to equivocate for convenience are violating one if the most fundamental principles of your religion. Sooner or later some fanatic will come around and remind you of this.


my religion? What religion? Where did I ever say I subscribe to religion?

Furthermore, I know Muslims come in many flavours, but they all are undivided in the belief that the Quran is the literal word of Allah, dictated to Muhammed, hence there is outrage when a Quran is damaged. It is more than iconic to them.
EBENEZR
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 24, 2012
For the record, Otto, I believe in credit where credit is due and where I believe you have made a point or your comment was funny, I will rate as such (like the "Thank you, David Icke" comment). I don't want you to think I have some sort of vendetta against you like some of the commenters here. I take back what I said about you and lite being the same person, it seemed suspicious but in light of what Deathclock said I concede and apologise.
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2012
know Muslims come in many flavours, but they all are undivided in the belief that the Quran is the literal word of Allah,

But even among muslims the number that actually believe is quite small. The rest (like in any part of the world where something is a major social influence) just go along for show - because it would be social suicide not to.
People just want to live without interference from others - and they will take the route that will alow them to do this to the greatest extent. If thsi means professing to be christian and showing up in church or porfesing to be muslim or professing to be a nazi a capitalist or communist or whatever...then they'll do it just for show.
EBENEZR
1 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2012
But even among muslims the number that actually believe is quite small. The rest (like in any part of the world where something is a major social influence) just go along for show - because it would be social suicide not to.


That's fair, but I was only really referring to those who believe out of choice rather than call themselves such to avoid harassment, about whom no "standards" can be applied. Certainly in Islam, those who wish to say they believe because they actually do, (as opposed to those who do because it's convenient), believe the Quran to be verbatim from their god and this is one of the shared doctrines across the beliefs, regardless of the interpretation of said text. For a Muslim to say otherwise is like a Christian saying Jesus wasn't the saviour or a Jew saying the Mosaic Law isn't important.

Irrespective of what can be said about their beliefs, they are the core beliefs.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2012
No argument here.

I'd just think that you'll find this literalism within any group - and that those literalists will call themselves the 'true believers' while denying others who profess to the same label that status. You'll find christian literalists (and quite a few law literalists (lawyers) in any country).

It's an interesting dilemma. Either be literalist or start interpreting stuff. The latter case leads to a doctrine that can cover anything but says basically nothing (and, of course, it invariably leads to schizms).
EBENEZR
2 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2012
People are going to believe in religion whether secular society want to or not. If they try and suppress it, it will only backfire but at the same time we do not want a theocracy. A line should be drawn and I believe that line should be drawn at where any religion teaches (particularly the young) against critical thinking. They can teach them about the beliefs if they want, but I don't see how it's acceptable that they are allowed to teach the young to believe with unquestioning belief. The same goes with scientific theories of course, otherwise we really would be inundated with hypotheses demanding negative proof.
antialias_physorg
3.6 / 5 (5) Oct 24, 2012
A line should be drawn and I believe that line should be drawn at where any religion teaches (particularly the young) against critical thinking.

I think there's the main conflict right there. Religion requires teaching (belief does not, but religion does). And the object of religion is to channel belief into its patricular structure (be it muslim, christian, jewish or supremacists beliefs - actually all of them are supremacists beliefs in some way because all of them think thy are 'chosen' in one way or another)

So the object of religious teachings is to take something fundamentally uncritical (belief) and turn it into a powerbase. I can't really see a way that would NOT cause religious teachings also teach uncritical thinking. (Other than simply teaching religion as part of history)

So from my POV religion has no place in public affairs. And since education is a public affair there should be no religious teaching there at all.
ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2012
any religion teaches (particularly the young) against critical thinking.

The New England Puritans required parents to teach their children to read.
"Harvard was established under church sponsorship, with the intention of training clergy so that the Puritan colony would not have to rely on immigrant pastors, but it was not formally affiliated with any denomination."
EBENEZR
2 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2012
I think there's the main conflict right there. Religion requires teaching (belief does not, but religion does). And the object of religion is to channel belief into its particular structure ...

So the object of religious teachings is to take something fundamentally uncritical (belief) and turn it into a powerbase. I can't really see a way that would NOT cause religious teachings also teach uncritical thinking. (Other than simply teaching religion as part of history).


What do you mean by a powerbase exactly?

I find it confusing that Christianity teaches them to worship a God who favours a particular race, which one may well not be a part of. Seems like a very narcissistic way of establishing superiority over all other races. Have them believe your race is special.
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2012
What do you mean by a powerbase exactly?

It's sort of a common denominator amongst all political structures (and yes: churches/religions are political structures).

Play on common themes (common race, common social status), fear the 'other', play on supremacy themes, play on pride in nonsensical/imaginary differences, ...

Why do we think we still have nations? Because people are different when born a few meters on each side of an imaginary line?

There are those who benefit by groups being delineated against other groups (religions, but also nations and especially military-industrial complexes).
It's really hard to make a living off of other people when everybody in the world is on the same page.
ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2012
It's really hard to make a living off of other people when everybody in the world is on the same page.


Trouble is the only page the socialists can support is one where all are destitute and in poverty like those in DPRK.

Equal outcomes demand the state plunder the wealth of some, which then leads to 'the some' reducing their wealth creation or going on strike and joining the takers. Why work if the govt will just take it all give it to those who don't work?
The ONLY way to create real prosperity is for the state to support equal OPPORTUNITY which recognizes everyone is an individual.

I find it confusing that Christianity teaches them to worship a God who favours a particular race,

Who is 'them'?
Christians are of all races and cultures around the world.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 24, 2012
religion has no place in public affairs.

So where does your state morality originate?
Germans and other socialists don't have a good track record on secular morality embracing eugenics over 100 years ago.
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2012
So where does your state morality originate?

Morality doesn't need a god. Morality can be derived from just sensible interaction between people.

Germans and other socialists don't have a good track record on secular morality embracing eugenics over 100 years ago.

Since there were likewise attempts in the US I wouldn't be so quick to peg this on a 'socialist' agenda.
http://en.wikiped...d_States
With the likes of Kellogg or the Rockefeller foundation funding this.
or
"Eugenics was widely accepted in the U.S. academic community.[6] By 1928 there were 376 separate university courses in some of the United States' leading schools"
and
"After the eugenics movement was well established in the United States, it spread to Germany. "

ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 24, 2012
Eugenics was widely accepted in the U.S. academic community.

Yes, I know.
Academics are quite socialistic and the founder of the pro-abortion group Planned Parenthood supported the murder of black babies.
How many atheist/secular groups are opposed to abortion or euthanasia?

Morality can be derived from just sensible interaction between people.

Now you sound like an Austrian economist.
kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 24, 2012
@ryggesogn2 It is the 'progressives' who fail to learn from their failures and we all suffer for them.
If wasn't progressives who made bad loans, sold them, and kept the insurance policy so as to get twice their investment back while taxpayers were stuck with the $trillions in bad loans. No, those were your friends rygge. Except they're rich and you're just a sycophant wannabe: Neither rich OR bright.
@freeFromThinking Lets see, how has Obama's leadership done with green jobs, a great Progressive leader should be able to pick a few winners with taxpayers money.
Odd my place in LA just had a low-flush toilet installed. A friend just got a job in the solar business. People in LA are driving electric and hybrid cars. Many ads for green jobs in the paper. Green jobs seem to be working.
freethinking
3 / 5 (12) Oct 24, 2012
Getting Back to leadership skills:
Lets see, Obama leads from behind by selling guns to drug dealers, having apology tours, bowing to Muslims leaders, blaming everything on Bush or a Video that no one seen, picking loser companies to spend tax dollars on (who then wind up selling US technology to China), losing drones (which also wind up in China), cant get unemployment below 8% (even though these stats, if calculated historically would be over 10%), puts a pedophile in charge of the education system, invites terrorists into the whitehouse, makes blatant lies about Romney.

Now if the media would actually get off their knees and quit kissing his behind, they would start asking questions. But we all know Obama doesn't like to be questioned, and that progressives will lie about and hide anything that would hurt their cause. But that is another story.

If you voted for Obama the first time, you didn't know his leadership style. If you vote for him this time, you agree with it.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 24, 2012
Socialists always make excuses and blame others for the failure of socialism.
Usually the first excuse is they didn't have right person in charge.

Persistent failure of socialism is what motivated Carl Popper to define real science with falsifiability and to oppose socialism.

Obama reminds me of a little kid who always says "It's not my fault!" when he fails.
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (17) Oct 24, 2012
Green jobs seem to be working.

How many cities in CA are bankrupt and Gov. Moonbeam is begging unions to stop demanding higher taxes.
Who wants to move to CA and be taxed to death by the govt unions?

my place in LA just had a low-flush toilet installed

How many times do you have to flush it to clear it?
Was it your choice or did the state force its installation?
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (6) Oct 24, 2012
Yes, I know.
Academics are quite socialistic

So Kellog and the Rockefellers are socialists now? Are you reading it THAT selectively? This was a society-wide movement. It had nothing to do with socialism. (BTW: socialism is a notion of fostering more equality - eugenics is an expression of the notion of inequality. Quite a contradiction, no?)

How many atheist/secular groups are opposed to abortion or euthanasia?

What does abortion have to do with eugenics? I think all secular groups oppose eugenics or euthanasia - just as much as all religious groups do. That's a no-bainer.

Now you sound like an Austrian economist.

No. This has nothing to do with economics. There is more to life and wellbeing than money. You can have lots of money and still live in fear (just look at the general population in the US which is comparatively rich to the rest of the world - yet is completey paranoid. Or just look at yourself)
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 24, 2012
Trouble is the only page the socialists can support is one where all are destitute and in poverty like those in DPRK.
Ryggie your fascist austerity Golden Dawn friends in Greece are hunting down dark people and gays, beating them withing a inch of their lives or killing them outright. Their party is supported by your bankster friends. I'm sure you're happy that conservatism has taken root again in Greece.

FreeOfThinking can rejoice in the fact the Golden Dawn doesn't condone sex education for for gay kids, but instead prefers direct molestation and murder. That's the conservative way.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 24, 2012
Koch, fascists are socialists.

What does abortion have to do with eugenics?

That was Margaret Sanger's plan to control the undesirables.

There is more to life and wellbeing than money.

How do you plan to obtain what you need to live?
People in prisons don't need money and are well taken care of. Is that the life you want, a gilded cage? TANSTAAFL
kochevnik
2.1 / 5 (11) Oct 24, 2012
@ryggesogn2 Koch, fascists are socialists.
Ryggie, you are a fucking liar and a retard. Your stupid talking point has been demolished no less than five times right here.
Koch, fascists are socialists.
There is more to life and wellbeing than money.
How do you plan to obtain what you need to live?
Russians lived without roubles because they had plots to grow their food. I know that would be hell for you as nobody would share with your selfish carcass and you would end up under a train platform or living in sewers to stay warm.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (8) Oct 24, 2012
People in prisons don't need money and are well taken care of.

Do you know what a day in prison costs?

Is that the life you want, a gilded cage?

No. The point is that things aren't black and white as you seem to think.
There are man factors that influence quality of life. Economics is just ONE of them. Another is societal cohesion. Another would be ecological sustainability. Another would be a sense of fair play.

There is really nothing wrong with people who contribute more to get more - to a point.
And there is really nothing wrong to people who choose to contribute less to get less - to a point.

But forgetting that last part (the 'to a point' part) just leads to instability in the entire system. There must be balancing mechanisms that make sure the society can remain stable over long periods of time.
kochevnik
2.1 / 5 (10) Oct 24, 2012
Green jobs seem to be working.
Who wants to move to CA and be taxed to death by the govt unions?
California has plenty of non-union labor. You're living in a dream world.
my place in LA just had a low-flush toilet installed
How many times do you have to flush it to clear it? Was it your choice or did the state force its installation?
Once as it employs city water pressure AND gravity. As for the use of force, a libertarian billionaire couple is buying up water rights and forcing the city to ration water. So my answer is LIBERTARIANISM forced the issue.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 24, 2012
California has plenty of non-union labor. You're living in a dream world.

They are called illegal aliens. Bankrupt San Berdoo firefighters earn $150K/year. The unions in CA are the govt unions: teachers, police, fire, prison guards, etc that are sucking the state dry.

to a point.

"A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it.
Alexis de Tocqueville

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville
Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith. "
"California residents aren't happy with how much prison guards are paid." http://reason.com...-quiet-o

"As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer."
http://www.econli...ism.html
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 24, 2012
to a point.


"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else."
― Frédéric Bastiat

""If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?"
― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law "

"But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime."
― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
freethinking
2.6 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2012
I must admit, Obama and Progressives do show leadership in how to steal elections. Which is the big reason they are against any type of voter ID laws.

http://blogs.cbn....aud.aspx

http://myfox8.com...ndidate/

As it has been shown many times, in a close election democrats will continue to "find" votes till they win. If you are a conservative, you need to vote so that the election will be a landslide. If not, the dead, illegal alien, made up votes, and the multiple vote casting democrats will decide the election
kochevnik
1.8 / 5 (10) Oct 24, 2012
@freethinking Romney's son said he hoped his rigged voting machines could steal Ohio. The programmer who was to testify that he was ordered to install backdoors and to skew Diebold election machines was murdered the day before testifying.

@ryggesogn2 Perennial irrelevancy.
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 24, 2012
koch where is the proof or are you purposly repeating known lies....you are just like your hero President Blame Video. Or is is just President blame Bush?

Hey, If Obama keeps repeating the lie, it was the video, then has the producer of this unseen video arrested and placed into protective custody (of course he wouldn't order that, but proxies abound), then appologizes for the unseen video which he knew didn't spark any riots or terrorist attacks. Then if he keeps repeating it, people like you will choose to repeat the lie.

EBENEZR
3 / 5 (6) Oct 24, 2012

Play on common themes (common race, common social status), fear the 'other', play on supremacy themes, play on pride in nonsensical/imaginary differences, ...

Why do we think we still have nations? Because people are different when born a few meters on each side of an imaginary line?


I would disagree on this, New Scientist ran an article not long ago about the fact we wouldn't have civilisations if it weren't for organised religion. Before that, people lived in familial tribes. Religion is the only denominator that caused a large amount of people, with no necessity to live side by side, to live as such: I've found the article, http://www.newsci...ion.html
EBENEZR
3 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2012
@ freethinking: vote rigging in Ohio: http://www.policy...y/257733

A similar article is on Forbes, which you should know is a conservative business leaning magazine.

As for the murder *shrugs*
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (24) Oct 24, 2012
I laugh at your insecurity, your false pride and your obsession with her. You keep accusing me of the porn links even though they were from PussyCatEyes.
But you are an obsessive, compulsive LIAR, we've already determined that. Your word means nothing here.

Both pussycat and pirouette (same entity, obama_socks) admitted that at least 2 different people posted under those nicks. Was one of them you? Evidence seems to indicate that this is so.

You follow me around like a little doggy, posting nothing but shitty vitriol and nipping at my heels. People are laughing at YOU esai.
Germans and other socialists don't have a good track record on secular morality embracing eugenics over 100 years ago.
Let us not forget that the Reformation began in germany.
Morality can be derived from just sensible interaction between people
No, there is a scientific basis for morality. It is the internal altruism/external animosity of the tribal dynamic, and has been selected for.
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 24, 2012
EB, what we need to do is insure that the elections are fair and honest. We need voter ID law, we need to make sure that the LEGAL vote cast is counted.

I have concerns about computerized vote counting machines, and absentee ballots. I think we should stick with paper ballots and fingerprint each ballot. Also most votes should be caste the day of the vote at polling stations.

I believe that the vote needs to be honest and that no one should tamper with it. If anyone does (conservative or progressive), let them rot in jail for a very long time.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 24, 2012
EB, what we need to do is insure that the elections are fair and honest. We need voter ID law, we need to make sure that the LEGAL vote cast is counted. I have concerns about computerized vote counting machines, and absentee ballots. I think we should stick with paper ballots and fingerprint each ballot.
Ahaahaaa another 'conservative' who wants massive govt programs to fingerprint everybody. This will also need to be automated to the tune of $billions. Why not just have face recognition like obamasucks, and grow govt even BIGGER?
EBENEZR
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 24, 2012
Ahaahaaa another 'conservative' who wants massive govt programs to fingerprint everybody. This will also need to be automated to the tune of $billions. Why not just have face recognition like obamasucks, and grow govt even BIGGER?


Yes, I too find it amusing that a so-called conservative (I'm assuming freethinking is conservative, considering the pandering and defence going on) is happy to extend the reach of an already overbearing government - despite the fact that his Lord and Saviour, Ronald Reagan, promoted the cutting down of government intervention. Furthermore, freethinking, are you telling me that the government should be involved in controlling votes, ie, the government controls who gets to be the government?

Talk about asking foxes to guard chickens.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (25) Oct 24, 2012
oh this is curious:
The jokes on you. She used my account name while I was on vacation, and gave you 8 1s in 3 days about 3 months ago. And it still bothers you soooo much. And by the way, she's 24.
...So why would a 24yo be downrating people for her uncle for a NICKEL apiece? Ahaahahahaaa you dumbass freeking LIAR.

Go look in the mirror esai. This is what a TROLL looks like.

I am laughing a lot today.
Estevan57
2.2 / 5 (33) Oct 24, 2012
Otto the clown - the nickel price is a joke between us, I would pay her a nickel apiece to pick up black walnuts when she was younger. Nickel apiece unless the bucket had more than a hundred, then a penny apiece. She was smart enough to bring me bucket after bucket of 99 walnuts, so I paid her the promised price. Cost me $28 total, but the ground was picked clean.

Not just people, Otto, only you.

Besides, she had to use my computer for bookkeeping anyway.

Like the the black walnuts, you are a rotting stinking husk with a nut at the center.

Laugh clown Otto, laugh.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 24, 2012
Sounds a little implausible doesnt it esai? I mean who would be dumb enough to think someone would fall for that trick? Who would be asshole enough to offer it to a child? You?
Like the the black walnuts, you are a rotting stinking husk with a nut at the center.
This is is how people can tell that you you are deranged, by posting crap crap like this. And insulting my poor dead mum.
Laugh clown Otto, laugh.
Haha.
Deathclock
2.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2012
It's just so entertaining to watch someone who is well grounded in reality completely destroy the lunatic ravings of a fox news parrot.

Thank you AA... and rygg...
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 24, 2012
"Florida Republican Party leader receives hoax letter; FBI investigates"
"he FBI is joining an investigation into bogus letters sent to many Florida residents, including the Republican Party of Florida chairman, that raise questions about their eligibility to vote.

FBI officials said Wednesday the FBI will focus on letters received by voters in 18 counties in central and southwest Florida."
http://www.clicko...dex.html
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 24, 2012
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Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (31) Oct 25, 2012
Otto The Clown - What's implausible about it? A standard reasoning question offered to a kid that asked for something to do to make money.
She wasn't big enough for the riding lawnmower.

Would you rather have 4 nickels or only 3 dimes? It can be found in almost every elementary math schoolbook in the country.

Same type of question but with a little more reasoning involved with the walnuts.

The reward for the correct decision is threefold: monetary gain, the pride and satisfaction of choosing correctly, and being able to tell her parents how she put one over on her uncle.

Pretty much a setup for success. If she can't reason it out she still gets paid at a reasonable rate for her age, and pie afterward either way.

Don't breed, clown boy, you obviously can't handle it.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 25, 2012
Pretty much a setup for success. If she can't reason it out she still gets paid at a reasonable rate for her age, and pie afterward either way.
And I see you would be willing to gyp her if she couldn't figure it out or was trusting enough to think it was fair. The more you post the more we learn of the nature of your character.

I mean, you denigrate peoples poor dead mums and call them whores don't you? Even a 24yo should be ashamed to read this.

As such I still have to conclude that you made the story up, because you are a liar, and that you were actually paying a child a nickel to gangrate people. Because in the context it certainly makes more sense. Yes?
freethinking
2.3 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2012
It seems like the progressives on this board are just as against honest and free elections as the Democratic Party.

The finger print idea, is that you put your fingerpint on the ballot. That way you can tell if people are casting multiple ballots, AKA ACORN. You don't need to keep record. But it sure would make it easier to find out who cast a dead person's vote for Pres. Obama.

I forgot, Progressives and honesty don't go hand in hand.
freethinking
2.4 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2012
More fraud, 10 guesses by who. Conservatives or Progressives?

http://www.clicko...dex.html

Conservatives need to make sure they vote, we need to make sure we win by a landslide. I always find it funny that the dead, illegals, and multiple voters, and bags of found ballots always seem to go Progressive.

Caliban
1 / 5 (4) Oct 25, 2012
More fraud, 10 guesses by who. Conservatives or Progressives?

http://www.clicko...dex.html

Conservatives need to make sure they vote, we need to make sure we win by a landslide. I always find it funny that the dead, illegals, and multiple voters, and bags of found ballots always seem to go Progressive.


And yet, freithinking, you certainly won't make any complaint about the billboards in Pennsylvania, run up in minority districts, telling residents that they are required to have photo id in order to vote, after that requirement was struck down for this election cycle, pending further review?

Or the fact that the romney tribe owns an interest in the company deploying the voting machines in Ohio --which have been, like most of the other voting machines-- proven to be exceedingly easy to hack before, during, and after balloting and all owned by Conservatives?

Caliban
1.2 / 5 (5) Oct 25, 2012
contd

Or the mysterious robocalls and pamphlets targeting Dem/lib voters, instructing them to vote on the wrong day, that their registration was invalid, or that they could vote by phone, or like your buddy down in rockingham co., VA, that collected registrations from Dem voters, and then threw them in the dumpster?

Do I need to provide more of the virtually endless methods, schemes, electioneering, and restrictive voting laws put in play by RepCons to disenfranchise or defraud voters who are likely to vote against them?

Do you understand my point? Am I getting through?

Earth to freithinking...

obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2012
Disenfranchise and defraud voters?
Bona fide Conservatives have no need to disenfranchise or defraud. You are also making the mistake of equating Conservatives (including the Tea Party) with main stream Republicans who are Republican In Name Only.

There is no such thing as "restrictive voting laws". We have gone through this so-called issue already in other threads. Liberal Demorats are the ones who want to stack the deck in their favor by intimidation and other fraudulent means.

In an election year such as 2010, voters decided that they had enough of Democrat Party dishonesty and voted out many of them from the House of Representatives, which is why we have a Republican House majority. If that hadn't happened in 2010, Obama would've ensured his success at creating American Socialism against the wishes of "the American citizens" by pressuring Democrats AND RINOs in both the House and Senate into passing laws that would be detrimental to the future of the U.S. and its citizens.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2012
And what is WRONG with carrying a photo I.D. to the voting place in order to PROVE that a person is a citizen of his/her own country and is eligible to vote in its elections? We have all gone through this before, and many times. A picture I.D. issued by Federal or State government does not disenfranchise anyone when it's made mandatory to have it in one's possession in order to vote legally.
It is sheer stupidity to believe that picture I.D.s should be made unnecessary or regarded as racist in order to vote in American elections.
Those who insist that such identification is wrong should be highly suspect of voter fraud themselves, or is possibly a champion of voter fraud.
If Liberals/Dems/Socialists are so concerned, they should contact each person of color and OFFER TO HELP THESE PEOPLE acquire legal picture I.D., rather than drone on and on about it endlessly while not helping these people at all.

No one could attend the Black Caucus arm of Congress without picture I.D., remember?
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2012
Voted 1 again by LITE (aka Theghostofotto1923) without explanation as to why.
Caliban
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2012
Voted 1 again by LITE (aka Theghostofotto1923) without explanation as to why.


That's right, pablum pocks.

And I gave you 1s as well, for your kneejerk RepCon justifications and sophistry.

You, and all the other RepCon socks that post here are very well aware of why your little Votebusters frauds are pure filth, but you continue to mouth the words with that poisonous, self righteous, sanctimonius smirking tone.

As self-justifying and spurious an argument as that old saw "If you're not doing anything illegal, then why would you object to the police interrogating you"

Because it is an infringement of our CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES.

You advocate for all of the other bullshit because you want to prevent "those other people" from excercising their franchise and electing someone who you are personally opposed to, as this might interfere with the pursuit of your RepCon "I've got mine --so fuck you" agenda.

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 26, 2012
We have all gone through this before, and many times.
Yah and the last time we did, you wanted a massive face recognition database and tech system by big govt which would cost billions. You obviously have no idea what the term conservative means. You just like how it feels don't you?

Say how are things over at NASA where you park cars or something? Dimwit.
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 26, 2012
As self-justifying and spurious an argument as that old saw "If you're not doing anything illegal, then why would you object to the police interrogating you"

Because it is an infringement of our CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES.
Moreover it will cost you money. Insurance companies are dismissing claims now that information is publicly available to thieves. Flash that new car on facebook and get your theft claim denied. Post your address on an obituary and have your claim denied when your house is burgulared while you attend the funeral. Conservatives are destroying America and Russia with their myopia and zombie Jew god politics.
And what is WRONG with carrying a photo I.D. to the voting place in order to PROVE that a person is a citizen of his/her own country and is eligible to vote in its elections?
I thought you of all people would remember what happened the last time that was practiced in Germany.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 26, 2012
.

You, and all the other RepCon socks that post here are very well aware of why your little Votebusters frauds are pure filth, but you continue to mouth the words with that poisonous, self righteous, sanctimonius smirking tone.

As self-justifying and spurious an argument as that old saw "If you're not doing anything illegal, then why would you object to the police interrogating you"

Because it is an infringement of our CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES.
-Caliban

Apparently, you are one of those who watch and listen to the pseudo-media reporters and their knee-jerk reactions with the Obama thrill going up their leg and other equal shots at retarded stupidity that are quite effective in regard to removing any vestige of logic and reason from their lapdog viewers, readers and listeners. Your attitude is typical of those who scream their pleasure at an Obama rally, then go home to face reality where Obama has no intention of paying their bills.

obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 26, 2012
In the event that Obama wins a second term, his hidden agenda will be sprung on you (and me, unfortunately), and if you believe that he has plans to improve the economy and allow more jobs in the private sector to be created and severely lower unemployment rates, you are dreaming. You can look for higher fuel prices continuing, more businesses fleeing overseas, our military whittled down, higher costs of health care, even more Americans on welfare, food stamps and arrested for crimes related to theft and burglaries, and even more political correctness and crimes against White people because they're White...not that would be of much importance to you. Oh yes, those beatings are not reported by main stream media but the videos are put on YouTube...with pride.
Add to that the new rules, regulations and higher taxes that are designed to squash new entrepreneurship and oppress older businesses. In the meantime, among other attacks on our Constitution, Obama will have a third term, and more.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 26, 2012
If you think that Obama wouldn't dare declare martial law and suspend our freedoms including the first and second amendments, I've got news for you. He is now supported by the Russian Federation, Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, and most of the other despotic rulers for life. Future elections will be a joke, since so many people will be on welfare and will not want to give up their welfare checks. They will vote, en masse, for Obama. The CPUSA supports Obama and they will do everything to keep him in the White House as their puppet. Don't believe me? Then suffer the consequences of your stupidity and vote him back in. He can glad-hand all you liberals/socialists and tell you lies about Romney. He will feed you a lot crap because you cannot discern truth from lies, right from wrong anymore. All you know is "them dumb Conservatives" and laugh at us. Keep on laughing if Romney is defeated and keep laughing when Obama sneaks in his true agenda right under your nose. Rules for Radicals!!
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 26, 2012
And what is WRONG with carrying a photo I.D. to the voting place in order to PROVE that a person is a citizen of his/her own country and is eligible to vote in its elections?
I thought you of all people would remember what happened the last time that was practiced in Germany. -kochevnik

We are not talking about a visa, passport or birth certificate to be presented at the voting place. This is merely a PICTURE I.D. that enables the clerk to match the face in the picture with the person standing before her/him. For those who come to the polling place without a picture I.D., it would be easy enough for a camera to be used to take the person's picture just like they do at Dept. of Motor Vehicles. It would NOT cost millions or billions of dollars to do this, because the majority of Americans already have picture I.D.

Anyone who can't walk to the voting place should be offered a ride from one of you bleeding heart liberals. Instead of crying for humanity - give them a hand
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2012
By the way - Blotto says that I work for NASA. I have never mentioned to anyone on this website about where I work, who I work for, and what is my profession. I have degrees in Engineering and that is all I will reveal about myself.
Blotto (Theghostofotto1923) has a bad habit of tacking on personalities, histories, professions, etc. to people like me and Estevan57, and others. Blotto is a liar and should not be trusted with any personal information. He prides himself on his memory and ability to retain personal information about people, especially those he dislikes and has an axe to grind on.
One of my colleagues at work has been giving Blotto 1s after I told him about the blithering Otto idiot.
In another, thread Blotto said to me:'Suck_suck_suck_suck...'
Obviously, he was thinking about the "gay porn" sites that Pussycateyes gave him before she changed her name. I got a PM from her. She's pregnant and doing well...if anyone cares.
freethinking
2.5 / 5 (13) Oct 26, 2012
Billboard saying it is illegal to vote illegal intimidation???? Only a progressive could believe that

Reading this article the phrase comes to mind.... let them eat cake...
http://washington...Vo8XA-4d
freethinking
3 / 5 (10) Oct 26, 2012
Interesting the progressives say... it's ok to have election fraud because the other guy does it. I say, FRAUD is bad no matter WHO does it. If a Republican does it, throw them in jail. If a Progressive does it throw them in Jail.

Progressives always justify what they do by saying the other guy did it. (However the generally the truth is, the other guy didn't but that is another story).

Don't justify election fraud. I will make this pledge, IF I KNOW OF ANYONE WHO COMMITS ELECTION FRAUD, I WILL TURN THEM IN.

Who on this board will agree to follow the same pledge? Anyone who votes this comment a 1 agrees that fraud it ok, 4 agrees that fraud is bad and to turn in ANYONE (DEM or REP) who commits fraud to the authorities.
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 26, 2012
Obama's leadership team, Biden asking the father of a slain soldier, (most likely he saw what the soldier did) did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?

http://www.thebla...e-balls/

If that is leadership, its discusting.
ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (15) Oct 26, 2012
Obama's leadership team, Biden asking the father of a slain soldier, (most likely he saw what the soldier did) did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?

http://www.thebla...e-balls/

If that is leadership, its discusting.

I heard an interesting story this am. The SEALS in Ben. were there for the CIA to secure weapons, and maybe send to rebels in Syria. The two SEALS were just down the road, asked permission to defend the Ambassador, were denied, and went anyway.
'Great' leaders sacrifice good men to cover their f--k ups?
freethinking
2.8 / 5 (11) Oct 26, 2012
Koch, why do you think it is ok for Obama's Vice President to be so crude, offensive, uncaring as to tell a father of a soldier Biden most likely saw killed while fighting terrorist, off handedly say, did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?
freethinking
2.8 / 5 (11) Oct 26, 2012
I'm starting to get the feeling there is much, much more to this coverup.
1. My guess is that Obama already knew about the video he blamed before the attack.
2. He saw or knew the attack was going on while it was happening.
3. He knew right away it was a terrorist attack and knew he was going to use the video to cover up the terrorist attack.
4. He knew that they were requesting help and he denied it.

http://www.foxnew...ces-say/
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2012
I'm starting to get the feeling there is much, much more to this coverup.
1. My guess is that Obama already knew about the video he blamed before the attack.
2. He saw or knew the attack was going on while it was happening.
3. He knew right away it was a terrorist attack and knew he was going to use the video to cover up the terrorist attack.
4. He knew that they were requesting help and he denied it.

http://www.foxnew...ces-say/

The comment I heard this am is Obama really did not know and he is the equivalent to Ronald McDonald. Just a figurehead with 'plausible dependability'.
Caliban
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2012
Interesting the progressives say... it's ok to have election fraud because the other guy does it. I say, FRAUD is bad no matter WHO does it. If a Republican does it, throw them in jail. If a Progressive does it throw them in Jail.
[...]
Don't justify election fraud. I will make this pledge, IF I KNOW OF ANYONE WHO COMMITS ELECTION FRAUD, I WILL TURN THEM IN.


Typical RepCon evasion. We are in agreement that vote fraud is illegal, regardless of the political stance of the fraudster.

What you conveniently ignore is that vote stealing and deliberate efforts to disenfranchise voters is also illegal(and practiced almost exclusively by the RepCon side in the past few election cycles), and vastly more prevalent than vote fraud, which is a microscopically small problem in comparison.

All of the information regarding these criminal schemes is freely available, and easily uncovered by anyone that doesn't confine their information channels exclusively to FUX"News".



Caliban
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2012
I'm starting to get the feeling there is much, much more to this coverup.
1. My guess is that Obama already knew about the video he blamed before the attack.
2. He saw or knew the attack was going on while it was happening.
3. He knew right away it was a terrorist attack and knew he was going to use the video to cover up the terrorist attack.
4. He knew that they were requesting help and he denied it.

http://www.foxnew...ces-say/


This is nothing more than common, muckraking speculation. Show us some proof.

ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (15) Oct 26, 2012
I'm starting to get the feeling there is much, much more to this coverup.
1. My guess is that Obama already knew about the video he blamed before the attack.
2. He saw or knew the attack was going on while it was happening.
3. He knew right away it was a terrorist attack and knew he was going to use the video to cover up the terrorist attack.
4. He knew that they were requesting help and he denied it.

http://www.foxnew...ces-say/


This is nothing more than common, muckraking speculation. Show us some proof.


Why isn't the WaPo or NYT digging into to? Like all 'progressives' they don't want to really know. If Barry is elected, the story won't go away. No one was killed at Watergate.
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 26, 2012
Caliban, to progressives disenfranchising people means having them prove they are legally allowed to vote. This disenfranchises people who would vote for Progressives.

For Obama muck raking, there are the state departments own emails as proof, the actions of Obama, the words of Biden, and the military releasing information, but the MSM will investigate. As I've stated and is shown here for all to see, Progressives the cause is more important than honour or the truth.

At first I thought it was just Obama being stupid and trying to blame a Christian's action for the attack. But how did Obama know about the video so fast, why was the military told to stand down, why was Biden so cruel to a greaving father, why did Obama keep up the lie for two weeks?
Caliban
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 26, 2012
I'm starting to get the feeling there is much, much more to this coverup.
1. My guess is that Obama already knew about the video he blamed before the attack.
2. He saw or knew the attack was going on while it was happening.
3. He knew right away it was a terrorist attack and knew he was going to use the video to cover up the terrorist attack.
4. He knew that they were requesting help and he denied it.

http://www.foxnew...ces-say/


This is nothing more than common, muckraking speculation. Show us some proof.


Why isn't the WaPo or NYT digging into to? Like all 'progressives' they don't want to really know. If Barry is elected, the story won't go away. No one was killed at Watergate.


Probably the WaPo and NYT aren't digging into it because it is unsubstantiated rumormongering. Like I said: show us some proof for your allegations.

Caliban
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 26, 2012
Caliban, to progressives disenfranchising people means having them prove they are legally allowed to vote. This disenfranchises people who would vote for Progressives.


And, again, you evade the issue. The system has worked as is for a long, long time, with voter registration based upon residence, and documented cases of voter fraud are very, very few and far between.

On the other hand, vote stealing, electioneering, and deliberate attempts to disenfranchise voters by misinforming them about when/how/where to vote and purging registrations are widespread.

As you pointed out, these are all illegal, and partisanship is irrelevant except for the fact that they are almost entirely carried out by individuals and organizations that are members of the RepCon camp.

Focusing on Voter ID laws only tells the least significant part of tale.

Caliban
2.4 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2012
Caliban, to progressives disenfranchising people means having them prove they are legally allowed to vote. This disenfranchises people who would vote for Progressives.

For Obama muck raking, there are the state departments own emails as proof, the actions of Obama, the words of Biden, and the military releasing information, but the MSM will investigate. As I've stated and is shown here for all to see, Progressives the cause is more important than honour or the truth.

At first I thought it was just Obama being stupid and trying to blame a Christian's action for the attack. But how did Obama know about the video so fast, why was the military told to stand down, why was Biden so cruel to a greaving father, why did Obama keep up the lie for two weeks?


Here's some further info about your State Department emails that you might want to consider:

http://www.mother...e-emails

It's always a good idea to get information from multiple sources.

ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (18) Oct 26, 2012
"the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. " "
"So who in the government did tell "anybody" not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?"
http://www.weekly...896.html
Caliban
3 / 5 (8) Oct 26, 2012
"the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. " "
"So who in the government did tell "anybody" not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?"
http://www.weekly...896.html


Nice cut'n'paste job, there riggsuckn'.

Find some facts, moron.

ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (18) Oct 26, 2012
"the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. " "
"So who in the government did tell "anybody" not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?"
http://www.weekly...896.html


Nice cut'n'paste job, there riggsuckn'.

Find some facts, moron.


Facts keep rolling in and it looks more and more like Obama is NOT a leader, or, someone no one would want to follow. Especially those in harm's way.
ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2012
"Facts Increasingly Show White House Misled on Benghazi"
http://www.breitb...Benghazi

Who is Obama going to blame now?
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2012
Of course. America is bankrupt. What else do you expect? Ronmey is going to be forced by economic realities to do the exact same thing.

"You can look for higher fuel prices continuing, more businesses fleeing overseas, our military whittled down, higher costs of health care, even more" - Tard of Tards
VendicarD
3 / 5 (8) Oct 26, 2012
For what?

"Who is Obama going to blame now?" - RyggTard

It was of course Republicans who cut funding for embassy security or not, just as they refused to increase airport security in the year before 911. claiming that hijacks were a thing of the past.

Poor Mentally diseased RyggTard.

ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2012
"n testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, "Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?"

Lamb responded, "No, sir."

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats."
http://www.thedai...ted.html
Caliban
1 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2012
"n testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, "Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?"

Lamb responded, "No, sir."


After that response, it is clear, then, that Ms. Lamb was specifically instructed by invisible Alien Marines not to increase the number of the security detail.

They could have just asked her if she remembered to take out the fucking garbage, for all the light that line of questioning shed upon the situation.

FACTS, MORON!

obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 27, 2012
Ryg is correct about it being a Presidential decision, but Obama was too busy on the campaign trail to fully comprehend the extent of the danger that the people at the Consulate in Banghazi were in, and the election was foremost on his mind, rather than the preservation of life and well being of the Ambassador and the Seals. Obama did not act as a leader. He failed to protect Americans in a foreign land. There is no excuse for his failure to send help to them, especially since it was well known as to what was happening in real time.

Budget cuts imposed by Republicans is not enough of an issue to absolve the President from performing his duties as protector of the American people. While he was busy glad-handing his constituents and attacking his opponent, a noncombatant trained only in diplomacy had been sodomized and murdered along with 3 other men who performed an act of heroism.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2012
A comment from Caliban's MotherJones link:
"The 2 navy seals that were killed in Benghazi, requested help 3 times during the 7 hour attack and were denied."

Repeated requests for help and backup and the answer is 'no', while help was only one hour away in Italy. Both the President and the Secretary of State are complicit in this failure of leadership. It was a sign of utter arrogance and willful abandonment that led to the deaths of the four Americans.
Can this happen again with this President if he is reelected? I believe there could be another incident where Obama will divorce himself from such an emergency and again abandon Americans. He has set a precedent for himself as to his actions regardless of motivations. Obama is no longer trustworthy as a leader and defender of the American people.
Americans with any amount of decency and a fully operational mind will not vote for Obama. He has made too many errors during his Presidency. His record is poor and his leadership has failed us
Caliban
1 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2012
A comment from Caliban's MotherJones link:
"The 2 navy seals that were killed in Benghazi, requested help 3 times during the 7 hour attack and were denied."


pablum pocks-

This quote is certainly not from the Mother Jones article I linked.

So now you tell deliberate lies in addition to your usual spam of distortion, omission, speculation and allegation.

Don't expect anyone to be taken in by your noisemaking, trollspawn.

VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 27, 2012
I have never encountered a Conservative who didn't act in such a manner.

"So now you tell deliberate lies in addition to your usual spam of distortion, omission, speculation and allegation." - Caliban

Conservatives see reality as the enemy and dishonesty as their primary weapon against it.
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 27, 2012
That is the claim made by Rush Limbaugh who parroted the story from BartBreit news who parroted the story from Faux news who parroted the story from Glenn Beck, who got the story from some unnamed source.

"The 2 navy seals that were killed in Benghazi, requested help 3 times during the 7 hour attack and were denied."

Given the vast number of lies that have been found to have come from these sources, rational, honest people don't consider the allegations to be reputable.

Why do you?
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (16) Oct 27, 2012
Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned.
The more dear leader tries to shift blame, the more leaks will appear in the ship of state.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (15) Oct 27, 2012
'Progressives' believe if they control the press they can control the propaganda.
Ever since Matt Drudge broke a story about an Clinton intern named Monica, the propaganda press has been losing ground.
The PJ media noticed how a 60's document was faked by CBS to attack GWB.
'Progressives' have lost control. I can almost imagine the spittle dripping as they sputter here.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 27, 2012
Here is the lying dimwit obamasucks pretending to be on the NASA rover team:
...they're calling me back to the station...later guys.

It was just by sheer luck that the camera was pointed in the right direction to capture the dust cloud. That was NOT programmed to happen at that very moment. We did not anticipate it

Yes, the cameras are in fixed positions. But nevertheless, we were surprised to see what later turned out to be a cloud of dust from the impact. We had no way of telling immediately what it was, although some suggested that it might be the sky-crane but, being that it was the first mission into Gale Crater, there was a lot of speculation going round. That was a good day for all. Now comes the really serious part and the whole purpose of the mission...I haven't slept very much since the approach to the planet and I'm in need of a full 6 - 8 hours of good sleep. I'm back on duty in a couple of hours.
Sorry that's all I could find in 20min but there's lots more.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (24) Oct 27, 2012
I have degrees in Engineering
-And here is the lying dimwit obamasucks/pussycatlies/russkiye/Casey jones the engineer demonstrating her prodigious calculating skills:
Zero population growth means exactly that - zero - meaning that in order to have absolute zero growth, NO babies are to be live births.
...
and that is all I will reveal about myself.
-You reveal a great deal about yourself every time you post you imbecile.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 27, 2012
A comment from Caliban's MotherJones link:
"The 2 navy seals that were killed in Benghazi, requested help 3 times during the 7 hour attack and were denied."


pablum pocks-

This quote is certainly not from the Mother Jones article I linked.

So now you tell deliberate lies in addition to your usual spam of distortion, omission, speculation and allegation.

Don't expect anyone to be taken in by your noisemaking, trollspawn.

-Caliban

If you had read my previous post about your link with a clear mind, you should have noticed that I said, "A comment from..." which words would indicate that it was taken from the COMMENTS section. Not the article itself. Comments sections are often times the only place to gather the truth and then to further research what was said in that comment to ensure its veracity.
While you may refer to MotherJones rag to further and confirm your Socialist views, MotherJones is one of the most biased and blatant disseminators of lies...GoodChoice
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (24) Oct 27, 2012
While you may refer to MotherJones rag to further and confirm your Socialist views, MotherJones is one of the most biased and blatant disseminators of lies...
Uh, so are you? Which is obviously so easy to demonstrate time and again? Lessee you're a fake ufologist, a fake nurse, a fake Russian, a fake sorghum farmer, a fake NASA worker, a fake engamaneer...?
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 27, 2012
Both Caliban and VendicarD are on the wrong side of history...your ideals are well suited to champion totalitarianism and despotism, and freedom be damned, as you obviously prefer the destruction of America as a haven for the rights of the individual, entrepreneurship, individual success, and family values. You are both in a very sorry state of mind politically, emotionally, and spiritually...and I don't mean that in a religious sense.
Your Liberal/Socialistic/Communist values are best suited for a country like Red China...although Liberalism is not tolerated there...and it is even doubtful that the Russian Federation and President Putin would care for your putrid desire to annihilate all that the United States and its Constitution have stood for since its inception. Putin, for all his faults, understands that Socialism and Communism has failed, and if he has good common sense, will copy the original U.S. parameters of creating a free country.
{contd}
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 27, 2012
You and your kind should leave the U.S. and Canada and form your own country where you can rule as tyrants and despots and oppress your people with tough anti-business laws, taxes and regulations. A little island in the Pacific close to Red China or somewhere near Venezuela would ensure your success. Take all your Liberal/Socialists with you and see how things work out. They could even make a living weaving baskets and enjoy communal living.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 27, 2012
While you may refer to MotherJones rag to further and confirm your Socialist views, MotherJones is one of the most biased and blatant disseminators of lies...
Uh, so are you? Which is obviously so easy to demonstrate time and again? Lessee you're a fake ufologist, a fake nurse, a fake Russian, a fake sorghum farmer, a fake NASA worker, a fake engamaneer...?
-OttoBlotto

Aww..poor poor Blotto...I do hope that Blotto goes back on his meds and tries harder to become a normal human being, mentally. I wasn't even talking to him and he jumps right in with his fake this and fake that. The only thing he got right is that I'm a skilled Engineer by profession. I will leave out what type of Engineering I do to prevent Blotto from garnering more information.

One other thing is that I DO believe in UFO sightings, at least the 3% or more that cannot be explained by natural and physical causes.
Anyone who makes fun of UFO sightings has a profoundly embedded lockbox for a brain.
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 27, 2012
Clinton goes after bin Laden; he is accused of wagging the dog.

Bush Jr. stops the hunt despite the worst terrorist attack in US history taking place on his watch. Universally lauded by the right as number-one-leader-super-jesus.

Obama avenges over 3,000 American lives lost. He's a bad leader.

Obama is clearly the better leader as has been shown here scientifically. History will confirm this November 6th.

At what point do we quit tolerating the right's nonsense?
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (15) Oct 27, 2012
From Caliban's MamaJones link:
"The email was just one piece of information gathered in the aftermath of the attack. While the White House's initial explanation that the attack had begun as a protest turned out to be wrong, the email itself doesn't bear on two of the major remaining questions: what role the video played and whether the attack was planned or spontaneous."

The email is superfluous. Anyone can claim what they wish in an email. The real problem lies in the fact that OBAMA LIED for 2 weeks about the attack in Benghazi being attributable to an anti-Muslim video, rather than an "act of terror". He has expunged the term "terrorists", especially, it seems, when it has anything to do with Muslim Jihadists. Obama set the tone for refusal to protect the Consulate in Benghazi while the four men were still under siege.
Then, when it was all over and they were murdered, Obama goes around while campaigning, telling lies to disprove his complicity in abandonment of the Consulate.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (15) Oct 27, 2012
A U.S. President who tells lies to the people of the country he is sworn to protect is unacceptable and his lies and actions are unjustifiable, no matter what reason.
We must hold our elected and appointed officials to a higher standard of honesty and integrity. Anything less is destructive to the present and future salvation of America and continuation of everything that we hold dear as Americans.

Partisan politics is unimportant...there is only what is right and what is wrong for our country and its people. Lies only begets more lies, and lies are intolerable in a free society.

There are some who are always ready to tolerate the lies told to them from top officials and the media. I am not one of them and a few of us here are also intolerant of being lied to.

The rest of you who enjoy the Obama lies and inaction and those of his appointees will fall for anything and will never recognize the truth, because that is who you are. It has been instilled in you; it is a part of you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 27, 2012
I'm a skilled Engineer by profession. I will leave out what type of Engineering I do to prevent Blotto from garnering more information.
So uh how could you make such an incredibly ignorant statement as

Zero population growth means exactly that - zero - meaning that in order to have absolute zero growth, NO babies are to be live births.
-where you clearly if unwittingly imply that zero growth = extinction? No engineer I can think of would ever make such a stupid statement, unless it was a makeup engineer or a hair stylist engineer or something along those lines. perhaps a garbage collection engineer or a parking lot engineer?

Perhaps you are a pumping engineer at the gas 'station'? This inability to realize just how inane your lies are, would explain your malformed political views as well. You are as incapable of recognizing lies as you are of foisting them.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 27, 2012
So it appears that you have tried to pass yourself off as something you most clearly are not once again. You have tried to convince people that you are a trained professional, on a website full of trained professionals. The fact that you keep trying different roles under multiple sockpuppets only reinforces the impression that you are especially FUBAR.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 27, 2012
Clinton goes after bin Laden; he is accused of wagging the dog.

Bush Jr. stops the hunt despite the worst terrorist attack in US history taking place on his watch. Universally lauded by the right as number-one-leader-super-jesus.

Obama avenges over 3,000 American lives lost. He's a bad leader.

Obama is clearly the better leader as has been shown here scientifically. History will confirm this November 6th.

At what point do we quit tolerating the right's nonsense?
Hey frank when'd they let you out man? You have the strangest activity page I've seen yet.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 27, 2012
How scientific is this survey?

" In the most precipitous decline it has seen in more than a year, President Barack Obama's job approval rating has dropped 7 points in three days, according to Gallup."
http://cnsnews.co...s-3-days
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (18) Oct 27, 2012
"Based on information provided by my source and corroborated elsewhere, the official account by administration officials is a mosaic of lies that were necessary to cover the unpalatable truth of covert actions taking place in Libya, Syria, Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. The primary objective of our covert actions was to secretly arm anti-Assad "rebels" in Syria by funneling arms from Libya to Syria via Turkey, with other destinations that included Jordan and Lebanon. Regarding the threat to Stevens and the other murdered Americans, the truth will reformat the persistent question posed to government officials, from UN Ambassador Susan Rice to White House Spokesman Jay Carney and others from "how could you not have known" to "how could you have done these things?" "
http://gulagbound...r71GcnFk
Caliban
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 28, 2012

"Based on information provided by my source and corroborated elsewhere,..."


HAHAHAHAHAHA!

This "intelligence " is every bit as valid as, for instance, me saying that I gathered this from riggsuckn(my source), and it was corroborated elsewhere, by, for instance --pablum pocks.

Which is to say that it is entirely worthless. Lies, distortion, omission, and sophistry.

Show us FACTS!

freethinking
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 28, 2012
Obama's leadership skills.
Obama: Hey Look an attack is happening.... cool!
Hillary: Should we send in help?
Biden: Naaa, look at that soldier go, he must have balls as big as cue balls! Rats, he just got nailed.
Obama: Ummm, hey Hillary, I've been watching you tube in my free time between golf tournaments and state dinners and I found this video that exactly 2 people watched that slams Islam. Lets blame this attack on that, then we can have another appolgy tour.
Hillary: I don't think people will buy that, but you are the king.
Biden: Come on Hillary, the media, they want Obama to win the election, there is no way they'll report the truth. They'll say anthing we want them too, they'll help with the coverup.
Hillary: They did report on Watergate, but no one died with Watergate.
Obama: So, only 4 people died here, even though one of them had balls like cue balls as Biden said, no one will investigate or tell the truth.
Biden: Obama, you are such a great leader!
freethinking
3 / 5 (14) Oct 28, 2012
Unfortuantely, my satire below is probably closer to reality than most people realize.
http://www.thebla...-happen/

http://www.thebla...s-hedge/

Just check NBC, ABC, CNN,no news on Benghazi. The media will do anything to get Obama elected. But hey, if you believe the main stream media will tell the truth about a progressive, I have a bridge to sell.

http://www.foxnew...scandal/
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 28, 2012
The full story of how Obama killed an ambassador will eventually be revealed whether he is in or out of office.
But it won't be accomplished by ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WaPo....
They will continue to fail economically and wonder why no one buys their s**t anymore.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 28, 2012
RyggTard is increasingly using Quack, Global Conspriacy sites as sources to support his anti-american nonsense.

In his latest reference (quoted below), his reference is a sight run by the Christian Patriot movement - the same group from which Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma City Bomber) came from.

"Based on information provided by my source and corroborated elsewhere" - RyggTard

RyggTard must be taking is queue from The Drudge Report, that is now regularly linking to those sites - particularly InfoWars - as a source of anti-Obama and Anti-America lies and propaganda.

A house divided will not endure.

VendicarD
2.8 / 5 (9) Oct 28, 2012
Such is the fantasy land that Republcans find themselves living in.

"The full story of how Obama killed an ambassador" - RyggTard

What's next for you RyggTard? You gonna start to mumble nonsense about Hillary killing Vince Foster?

Of course, Obama killed no ambassador. Such things are only found in the minds of the mentally ill.
VendicarD
2.8 / 5 (9) Oct 28, 2012
FreeTard provides three links to Faux News reports that contain no factual information, just speculation and claims made from "unnamed sources".

Faux news isn't news, FreeTard. Faux news is nothing more than the Propaganda arm of the Republican Party, and has been caught in reporting as news a never ending stream of lies.

Here is a prime example....

http://foxnewslies.net/

And another...

http://www.youtub...LFn0pty4

And yet another...

http://www.youtub...5Wp-aRoM

And yet another...

http://www.youtub...=related

And yet another...

http://www.youtub...=related
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 28, 2012
"Predators don't just magically appear on the scene. They have to be launched and they have to have a mission when they are launched. A Predator UAV has a range of 675 miles with a max speed of 135mph. The UAV almost certainly had to have been launched from the US facility at Signonella in Sicily.

This means that the UAV was launched over three hours before the attack began and the operation order issued some time before launch. This implies that hours before the attack was launched there was sufficient concern about something in Benghazi that a UAV was tasked to be on station."
"Pay special attention to the last graf. The security officer was painting a target with a laser designator. You don't do that unless the AC-130 is close enough to acquire the target."
"Pay special attention to the last graf. The security officer was painting a target with a laser designator. You don't do that unless the AC-130 is close enough to acquire the target."
http://www.redsta...did-obam
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Oct 28, 2012
"The facts now seem fairly clear. Forces were positioned to effect a rescue of at least some of the men who are now dead. An order was given by the Secretary of Defense to not launch a rescue attempt either by the reaction force staged in Sicily or by an AC-130 gunship orbiting over head. The White House had video feed and audio feed available presenting them with a clear picture of the situation on the ground. And the President of the United States decided four dead Americans was a small price to pay for preserving the political fiction of the Arab Spring."
{Or to protect something else? Who is asking questions? NOT the 'liberal' press. }
http://www.redsta...enghazi/
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 28, 2012
The full story of how Obama killed an ambassador
1) There us no way to repel an attack on an embassy by 120 heavily-armed insurgents posing as yet one more street demonstration

2) Embassies are protected by host countries by law. Picture Uganda sending troops into DC.

3) At the time the danger was that this event and the video together would trigger further mayhem and destruction elsewhere. Obviously the best course of action was to blame the attack on the video and then to denounce the video, thereby defusing the potential. Pretty smart eh?

4) I think it is pretty embarrassing for conservatives to be acting like liberals and demanding disclosure of sensitive info. I thought you guys appreciated the value of govt secrecy, especially during explosive events such as this.

You realize if this shoe was on mccains foot you all would be defending him for doing exactly the same thing. And crying because liberals were picking on the old guy.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 28, 2012
There us no way to repel an attack on an embassy by 120 heavily-armed insurgents posing as yet one more street demonstration


They were not posing.

AC-130 can do much:

http://www.youtub...9VtQ_uLg

Recall that B-52s dropped dumb bombs to save Khe Sanh. All that is required is the leadership to pull the trigger.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 28, 2012
...President of the United States decided four dead Americans was a small price to pay for preserving the political fiction of the Arab Spring."
{Or to protect something else?
When I want to check out opinions of similar veracity I just go to stormfront.

But I DO believe in Conspiracy to commit such Acts for the Grester Good did you know that ryggy? In order to stage effective wars you have to generate enthusiasm in prospective participan

People have to be taught to hate the enemy. Actions intended to instill hatred are just as important as fighting the war itself. Otherwise you'd have combatants coming out of the trenches to exchange Xmas presents and play soccer. Not good for Business.

And you know what the best Mechanism for generating this sort of enthusiasm is? That's right, religion. Peaceloving buddhists are slaughtering Moslems by the 100s this very moment, even as xians are revenging the deaths from the latest church bombing in Nigeria. And that's just today's news.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 28, 2012
ConservaTard speculation piled upon ConservaTard speculation, piled upon ConservaTard speculation.

Some Conservatives are already insisting that the attack was coordinated by the Illuminati.

http://www.pakale...-agenda/

"This means that the UAV was launched over three hours before the attack began and the operation order issued some time before launch." - RyggTard
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 28, 2012
They were not posing.
Yeah they were. You don't expect your nationalist websites to tell you everything do you?
Recall that B-52s dropped dumb bombs to save Khe Sanh. All that is required is the leadership to pull the trigger.
-and break international law, and ignite further violence throughout the Arab world, and alienate moderates there and partners in the west. This is what McCain would have argued after he was forced to do exactly the same things.

The only question is whether we will have a high profile retribution before or after the election. If rummy wins we will have to wait some months until he has the setup in place to properly take credit for it.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 28, 2012
Well there we have it. The Randite Deiciple RyggTard, demanding the commission of mass murder outside a time of war.

By his own words then, I take it that he will be accepting of the mass murder of Libertarian/Randite traitors, outside a time of war, in the months to come.

"All that is required is the leadership to pull the trigger." - RyggTard

VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 28, 2012
Poor Deluded RyggTard. He has spent so much time living in his own ideological fantasy land that he can't tell the difference between fact and ConservaTard fiction any more.

"The facts now seem fairly clear." - RyggTard

Death will be his only release from a life of pure ignorance.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 29, 2012
It seems to me that the 100 professors who responded to the survey by SUNY, Buffalo School of Management may have taken their cue from the Obama lapdog media to try and win over those independents who are likely to vote, and who will probably vote with thought in mind that professors know more about everything than the average independent voter, after their having read the results of the survey. All 100, plus the students of the School are likely to have read "Rules for Radicals" by the Socialist/Marxist prof Saul Alinsky, who was Obama's mentor at college.
It should be obvious to everyone with a rational mind that the public school system in America has been turning out a lot of future Socialists or Communists for decades and we are seeing the results of their having been tutored by American educators who have been and are, steeped in the LiberalSocialist politics from which Obama has risen.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 29, 2012
American colleges have hired professors who have a personal agenda, not merely to educate their students in the subject for which they have signed up, but to also instill some anti-American propaganda for which these "educators" hope that a new generation of "Socialist Youth" will rise up against the original precepts that the U.S. has stood for since after the American Revolution.
This brain-washing is no different than the creation of the Hitler Youth in Nazi Germany. The adoration of BHObama by these indoctrinated Americans is no different than the adoration of Herr Adolf Hitler by the German populace as he rose to power.
The only difference is that a percentage of Americans will be enslaved by the other percentage if President Obama has his way. Slavery is not confined to picking cotton in the fields. Slavery is also a means of forcing one group of people to labor so that another group can reap the benefits without having to labor at all. The bad old days with a new twist.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 29, 2012
While the percentage of working Americans will benefit those who are not required by law to seek employment, the only thing that President Obama, IF reelected will require of the lazy bums, is to keep him in the White House as POTUS (a la dictator Hugo Chavez). Of course, they will vote for him time and time again and, once they are inured to such an easy ride, anything less will become, for that percentage, a reason for violence. The President is in command of our armed forces, and unless our service men and women mutiny, the percentage who will be supporting the non-workers may be squashed in the future if they rebel against the master in the White House.
This may seem to be all conjecture, but there is a good possibility for it.
A "leader" who has no qualms about abandoning Americans to their deaths in Libya and then lies about it, will have no problem becoming a tyrant and dictator of a country and people for which he has no respect or concern.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Oct 29, 2012
@freethinking
You get a 5 for that satire.
:D

Unfortunately, some others here don't appreciate your wit.
Caliban
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 29, 2012

pablum pocks,

Working the spam cannon again, I see, with the Logic Inversion rounds in heavy rotation.

It is a great laugh to see your efforts to change day into night, through the unstinting application of coat after coat of bullshit.

What's even funnier is knowing that all of your hapless, blackguard self-interest is going to be abruptly repaid by your Corporocrat, RepCon masters when they blast you and all the other suckup parasites out of the freimarket cloaca in about two weeks.

Your deathlike greed-grip on the polyps lining the gut of the moribund, fraudulent Vampire Capitalism will be lost as the Host forcibly ejects you and your vile kind --and without reward-- as soon as your flacking job is completed.

Trickle-down won't even begin to describe your trajectory.

And when you hit the bottom of the cesspit, don't be surprised when your ribs get stoven in by all the people you betrayed during your clawing, screeching climb up your Corporocrat Masters' chute.


obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 29, 2012
@ryg & freethinking
After reading the article in http://www.homela...ves/7015

This is starting to smell like the "Fast and Furious" debacle…only 10X worse.
What the hell are Obama and Panetta doing? Are they trying to start World War III?
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 29, 2012
Caliban....your pathetic words amuse me. I seem to recall that you once said long ago that you inherited quite a bit of money and that you don't have to work as a result...something like that, right?
With Obama still crapping in the White House toilet IF he is reelected, you may find yourself not quite as rich as before when he raises your taxes...UNLESS you devise some loopholes that are unknown as yet to the IRS.
Sad to see that you disapprove of what I've said. But then, you are the type who would censor the First Amendment rights to free speech from those with whom you disagree. But that's alright. I could say the same things about YOU and your buddy, Snotty Nudds there...also known as VendicarDNutNut...but I don't wish to stoop to your respective levels.
You really need to get out of my country. You don't belong in the U.S.
even if you were born here. There are many who are born in the U.S. who are not true Americans and they should leave. You and VDtard need to leave also.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 29, 2012
VDtard needs to leave North America altogether. There MUST be SOME special place where the two of you can be happy. And you can hang pictures of Obama on each wall, and perhaps give a little Hitler salute as you pass by his likeness. Now wouldn't that be fun?
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 29, 2012
Obama_Sox used a story from the NorthEast Inteligence Network - A Conservative Quack site, as a credible source of information.

This is how Conservatives work. Look for a lie about an opponent and then distribute that lie as far and wide as possible through the Republican Echo Chamber.

What do we know about the person behind that "intelligence" site.

"Uh-oh! Fake "Terrorism Expert" Douglas J. Hagmann and his lawyer finally admit that he plagiarized my work. And then, Hagmann–a fake investigator–makes up new information.

On Wednesday, I posted an item about how phony "terrorism expert" Douglas Hagmann–who is positive that UFOs and Bigfoot exist but knows little else–ripped off my work and presented it as his own. Yes, he and his falsely-named Northeast Intelligence Network (NEIN) a/k/a HomelandSecurityUS are bastions of plagiarism. By stealing my work, he opened a can of worms and keeps stepping in it."

http://www.debbie...rk-steps
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 29, 2012
Didn't Obama Sox realize that a Repubican Quack Site that deals with clearly fabricated stories about the Illuminati, new World Order, aliens and bigfoot sightings, was probably not a good source of information on world affairs?

Gosh it should have been obvious to anyone who is more than 10 years old.

The following link shows just how deluded Conservatives like ObamaSox and RyggTard are.

http://www.ustrea...22360206
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 29, 2012
Obama Sox comes from the same group of delusional Teabaggers and Chrstian Patriots, that produced the Oklahoma city bomber Timothy McVeigh.

"VDtard needs to leave North America altogether." - ObamaSox

Their extinction is required if America is to remain a nation.
Caliban
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 29, 2012
Caliban....your pathetic words amuse me. I seem to recall that you once said long ago that you inherited quite a bit of money and that you don't have to work as a result...something like that, right?


Wrong, moron.

Sad to see that you disapprove of what I've said[...]you are the type who would censor the First Amendment rights to free speech from those with whom you disagree.


Don't get sad, pocks --get a brain.

But that's alright. I could say the same things about YOU and your buddy, Snotty Nudds there...also known as VendicarDNutNut...but I don't wish to stoop to your respective levels.


Stoop to whatever level at which you feel you are able to compete. Your bar isn't set very high.

You really need to get out of my country. You don't belong in the U.S. even if you were born here. There are many who are born in the U.S. who are not true Americans and they should leave. You and VDtard need to leave also.


Come and get me, you sanctimonious twat.

ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Oct 29, 2012
You realize if this shoe was on mccains foot you all would be defending him for doing exactly the same thing.


Of course if President McCain lied and tried to cover up the deaths for 4 US personnel in Libya conservatives would be on his ass.
But, the probability President McCain would have enabled Muslim terrorists to take over of Libya and Egypt would have been very small. This would have been an example of leadership.
Carter did the same in Iran. He undercut the Shah enabling the radicals to take power just as Obama undercuts all allies in the Arab world enabling radical Muslims to take control.
NYT reports BHO wanted to negotiate with Iran in '09 for access to U232.
With 'leaders' like that there will be no free world. But that IS the objective of the 'progressives' NO freedom in the world.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (26) Oct 29, 2012
Of course if President McCain lied
-Except that your favorite spinsites would have convinced you that that wasn't what happened.
But, the probability President McCain would have enabled Muslim terrorists to take over of Libya and Egypt would have been very small. This would have been an example of leadership.
We don't 'enable' these sorts of things. There are Those who do enable and determine such things, including who gets elected in US elections to take the blame for them.
Carter did the same in Iran. He undercut the Shah enabling the radicals to take power just as Obama undercuts all allies in the Arab world enabling radical Muslims to take control.
Carter the Spokesmodel only followed the script just like Wilson did. Islamism was Created to gather the hordes of excess people CREATED by religion, and herd them into western guns.

Flood waters need to be Channeled. This takes Foresight and Engineering. Spring floods made Egypt a great empire.
FrankHerbert
2.3 / 5 (12) Oct 29, 2012
So obama_sucks is pirouette, right? If so, he's held that account since February. Shame on you guys. You need to report these fools. The moderation here is horrible, but they do _eventually_ respond.

Before I had to take a hiatus from posting for health reasons, I was getting pirouette banned about twice a week.

Report, report, report. Hit the button multiple times on the same post (don't know if that does any good).

Anyway, let's look at Five Thirty Eight guys. As of this moment, Nate Silver gives Obama a 74.6% of winning the election. This is just shy of his chances of winning Ohio, 75%.

Basically Obama is going to win unless there is massive election fraud in Ohio much like there was in 2004. Had Ohio been a third-world nation it would have been subject to UN election inspections based on exit-polling alone. Look at it this way. Florida in 2000 was a happy accident. Ohio in 2004 was deliberately planned.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (28) Oct 29, 2012
So obama_sucks is pirouette, right? If so, he's held that account since February. Shame on you guys. You need to report these fools. The moderation here is horrible, but they do _eventually_ respond.
You mean Pirouette/Ritchieguy/russkiye/pussytard/estevan57/obamasucks, the fake ufologist/farmer/nurse/windmill owner/NASA engineer? The inbred lying flooding household and their crack(head) gangrate zombiehorde? They are too ignorant to die except when they post gay porn links.
Report, report, report. Hit the button multiple times on the same post (don't know if that does any good).
I am sure this has been tried with us with no effect other than the occasional peepee-slap. physorg lives on traffic like any other site. These imbeciles are income.
freethinking
3 / 5 (14) Oct 29, 2012
What Bengahzi has clearly shown is that NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN are nothing but ball-less sockpuppets for Obama. If anyone at these DNC sockpuppets propaganda outlets had a tenth of the balls as the soldiers that died in Bengahzi had, and dig into the story, Obama would be finnished. People died and Obama lied.

I kept wondering where VD gets his hatred for Jews, Conservatives, the Elderly, the handicaped, the unborn and the USA in general. I also wondered where he gets his news and why he is so uninformed.

The hatred I think is because he still lives at home in his mommies basement. He use to get his news straight from Pravda that was till the USSR fell, now he gets his news straight from the DNC skipping NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 29, 2012
What Bengahzi has clearly shown is that NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN are nothing but ball-less sockpuppets for Obama.
Yeah like Fox is a ball-less sockpuppet for rumney? You've got to keep flipping channels to get a rounded view. Or like you and ryggy you can keep yours glued to the station that makes you feel best.

This is by the way why you think your holy book is the exclusive source of truth - you haven't had the nerve to flip channels and see how all those other religionists are reading the exact same lies that you are.

In other words you've been groomed - trained - indoctrinated... Domesticated. Wanna biscuit?
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 29, 2012
Otto, I go to ABC, NBC, CNN propaganda sites all the time, and it is obvious they are nothing but Obama sites. My kids even see that while fox had liberals on when discussing news, the DNC propaganda sites have only progressives on.

Yep, blame the video, and blame the only station to talk about the riots, woops terrorist attacks, woops, what is the DNC and Obama saying it is right now?

ABC, CNN, CBS, NBC, Obama butt kissing and propaganda sites all of them.

TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (28) Oct 29, 2012
My kids even see that while fox had liberals on when discussing news, the DNC propaganda sites have only progressives on.
Nope they both include token opponents. Compare the meely, beady-eyed, distasteful liberals fox uses to their shiny, trendy, healthy young conservatives. Your opinions are formed as much by their presentation as it is what they present. Or rather, the mode of presentation FORMS your opinions.

And go to CNN to see the same mechanism at work on opposite sides. You are a dupe. Recall how Fox repeatedly aired the truncated debate clip, Obama says 'No here's what we DID', and was valiantly cut off by rummy. Obamas final explanation of oil leases made sense but Fox didn't include it. Deliberate deception. Your liberal stations do the same thing.

You're so focussed on your preconceptions that you don't recognize the mechanisms which feed on them.
kochevnik
1 / 5 (6) Oct 29, 2012
...NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN are nothing but ball-less sockpuppets for Obama.
But for whom is Obama a sockpuppet?
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (33) Oct 29, 2012
Now now, Otto don't lie to Frank. You know i"m not those other people, but you just can't help yourself and group me in with them.

You even said Mike Massen was obamasucks today. Impressive.

Your need for your meds is more apparent every day.
freethinking
2.8 / 5 (13) Oct 29, 2012
Lets see do you think that Obama sockpuppets will report on this report?

http://www.thebla...ficials/

Guess not.

So Obama can sell guns to drug dealers and CBC, CNN, ABC, et al wont report.
Obama says a youtube video caused a riot, his sock puppets repeat his every word.
Obama caught lying, his sockpuppets in the media are quiet.

Hummm, VD, Otto (their sock puppets) and other progessives gets their unbiased news from where? The DNC must be.

Latest news flash, there were aircraft or armed drones in the area, that were told not to fire on the mortor position painted by a laser marker. How about Obama tells people who told them not to fire?
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (15) Oct 29, 2012
...NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN are nothing but ball-less sockpuppets for Obama.
But for whom is Obama a sockpuppet?

Who is benefiting?
Radial Muslims, China and Russia, statists all.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (8) Oct 29, 2012
So Obama can sell guns to drug dealers and CBC, CNN, ABC, et al wont report.
The CIA needs to arm it's workers and stop the competition. Have you been asleep the past 40 years?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (26) Oct 29, 2012
Now now, Otto don't lie to Frank. You know i"m not those other people, but you just can't help yourself and group me in with them.

You even said Mike Massen was obamasucks today. Impressive.

Your need for your meds is more apparent every day.
Hello lying suckpuppet,

You keep implying the brood is one person while pussytard/pirouette informed us that there were at least 2 people. And uratard the silent suckpuppet broke its silence by stating that the gang gets together at lunch to downrate en masse. And obamasucks said she would be posting under another suckpuppet, yes?

And you do nothing but lie, and stalk, and post smutty posts, just as the bf component of the pussytard entity did. And you also defend the lazy flooders whoever they may be. And you pay preteen relatives to downrate people by your own admission.

And how could you possibly know whether the pompous ass mike massen was or was not a pussytard iteration?

So esai does all of this make you a good guy or a bad guy?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 29, 2012
Latest news flash, there were aircraft or armed drones in the area, that were told not to fire on the mortor position painted by a laser marker. How about Obama tells people who told them not to fire?
So along those lines FT, I suppose you would think it was ok if israel sent a rapid response team into cairo to defend its embassy when it was attacked? http://en.wikiped...in_Egypt

-Well maybe cairo would be ok but how about buenos aires? http://en.wikiped...os_Aires

-Perhaps israel and other countries should maintain garrisons outside DC and paris and vienna just in case their embassies are attacked? Would that be ok with you? Or maybe something lower profile; say, armed drones?
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (31) Oct 29, 2012
I really don't care what or who they/him/it/her say they are or are not. I dont care who you say they/him/her/it are either.

But when I am grouped with an entity I am not a part of I will let you know. As always, moron.

24 years old is not a preteen, except in your perverted eyes. And no money actually changed hands, and it was 8 votes.

You vote more for yourself than anyone could ever want spend to time with anyway. You're pretty sanctimonious for as much bullshit as you give other people.

If I have posted smut, prove it. You keep saying I do and I post this: http://phys.org/n...rth.html and you shutup.
Why keep bringing someone elses post up? Can't tell one from another much?

Anyone that has conversed with Mike Massen could tell who he is and is not, except you. You obviously have a lot of trouble in this regard.

I was a good guy until gangvoted by you, bitch. All because you thought I supported someone else.

Go screw yourself Otto (lite).
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (24) Oct 29, 2012
I see a CIA rapid response team WAS dispatched

"A quick reaction force from the CIA annex arrived and attempted to secure the perimeter and locate the ambassador but were unable to find Stevens in the smoke-filled building. The team then decided to return to the annex with the survivors and Smith's body, which they did find."

-But by the time they arrived the attack was apparently over and the ambassador was dead. What do you think a few drone missiles would have possibly done to improve the situation? And how could a military response force possibly have known that they were not flying in to attack govt forces, CIA elements, civilian demonstrators, or first responders, in the heart of a densely-populated foreign capital?

Does this really sound plausible to you?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 29, 2012
I really don't care what or who they/him/it/her say they are or are not. I dont care who you say they/him/her/it are either.
And nobody really cares what a lying stalker has to say.
24 years old is not a preteen, except in your perverted eyes.
And nobody pays 24yo women a nickel to down rate people. Youre a liar.
But when I am grouped with an entity I am not a part of I will let you know. As always, moron.
But as you are a confirmed liar and a stalker by your own admission, as documented on my profile page, who can believe you?

You defend people who degrade this site and attack people who are trying to improve it. Your own suckpuppet drones are constantly uprating you and downrating others. And you declare that ritchieguy was not banned. Why would you do that unless you were part of the cabal?
Go screw yourself Otto the Clown.
And you call peoples poor dead mums whores. This is the smutty kind of lowlife you are esai. For all the world of physorg to see.
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (31) Oct 29, 2012
lol, Gotcha. Take your meds.
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 29, 2012
Otto and EST, please stop fighting about downvoting and who is and isn't and everyone pledge not to use sockpuppets.

Everyone who ranks THIS post down LOVES SOCKPUPPETS and is a SOCKPUPPET MASTER!
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 29, 2012
lol, Gotcha. Take your meds.
Always happy for the opportunity to expose you for what you are esai. Keep up the good work.

FT answer my post. What good would sending the marines uninvited into a foreign country after the fact have been? What would declaring this either an act of terror or a demonstration have possibly changed?
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2012
Otto: Answer 1: The military/CIA/drones/Spectra were already there and could have helped.
2. Obama knew it was no spontanious demonstration, yet his administration dug up a video which no one saw, blamed it on the attacks, which then lead to the video producer going to jail. Obama used this video as an excuse for weeks, even spending money appologizing for it.

What does this say to the terrorists and muslim fanatics.
1. Obama is afraid to call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack.
2. Obama is willing to sacrifice free speech
3. To the Muslim fanatics, it emboldens them to attack IF ANYONE hurts their feelings.
4. Because of 2 and 3, more people will die, now there is less freedom in the world, more fear. If Obama will cause the jailing of someone who speaks up (yes its a horrible movie), what does that say about his character?

This
kochevnik
2.1 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2012
LOL this thread has devolved into a comedy fed by freethinker's paranoia about Muslims growing beyond the pale of sanity. Psychiatry in US is obviously pathological if rebels are medicated with the non-syndrome ODD while paranoid christopaths are free to roam at large.
Noumenon
2.8 / 5 (20) Oct 30, 2012
As of this moment, Nate Silver gives Obama a 74.6% of winning the election. This is just shy of his chances of winning Ohio, 75%.

Basically Obama is going to win unless there is massive election fraud in Ohio much like there was in 2004. [...potato salad....] - FrankSockPuppetHerbert


As of this moment, you're absolutely clueless to listen to that clown. Obviously the corrupt left are already trying to convince the imbeciles that if Romneny is elected, 'there must have been fraud'. Propaganda for Obama voters.

"Nate Silver says this is a 73.6 percent chance that the president is going to win? Nobody in that campaign thinks they have a 73 percent chance — they think they have a 50.1 percent chance of winning. And you talk to the Romney people, it's the same thing,"... And anybody that thinks that this race is anything but a tossup right now is such an ideologue, they should be kept away from typewriters, computers, laptops and microphones for the next 10 days - Joe Scarborough
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 30, 2012
Koch your response is funny since you are a Jew, Christian, and American hating person. The major difference between you and extemist Muslims is only that they are willing to kill and die for their hatred. You and VD fortunately are not (at least I don't think so).

Koch, just keep defending Obama, 8 days from now, you will be crying in your mothers basement. (unless for some reason the election is suspended.)

If you are a Jew, Catholic, Evangelical, someone who believes in the constitution or just plain freedom of Religion and you vote for Obama or don't vote for Romney you are either ignorant or have a death wish.

You know a person by the people he hangs out with and who supports him. Obama is supported by the Muslim Brotherhood, radical athiests, dictators, rascists, terrorists, and the list goes on and on. If you don't want those who support Obama in your house, don't let him have the White House again.

Lets pray that nothing gives Obama a reason to suspend the election.
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (19) Oct 30, 2012
The request for added security was rejected for the Benghazi embasy because liberals think that a strong USA military presence (or security force) would be insulting to the Lybians,... that such a presence is what would be the cause of murderous action taken by otherwise peaceful loving muslims. This is the way liberals think,.. 'the USA caused the existance of terrorists' . Their morons.

The Obama administration screwed up big time, and then attempted to cover it up, by mentioning thr video over and over. BTW, If the situation was "liquid", and "unfolding", then why continue to mention the video over and over, as if IT was the established fact of cause,... why not say nothing instead? Answer; they tried to cover up a screw up right befoe the election,... and are still covering it up by silence.

In addition they lied about the USA government having "nothing to do with that anti-muslim video",... the USA gov protects freedom of speech, thus has everything of substance to do with it
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 30, 2012
Noum, I think Obama will be loose by a landslide as it must be.

http://www.breitb...dvantage
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 30, 2012
Looks like the only ones supporting Obama are the radical progressives. Romney seems to have the Independant vote, so says NPR.

http://washington...ZvcXA8TZ

But again, Progressives will be finding bags of votes in the flood waters of New York IF it is a close race.
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (17) Oct 30, 2012
I think its going to be close even though the polls show Romney gaining big time,.. because the Obama handlers know how to get his base to "come out of the wood work" in just the right area to get to 270.

Also, when they actively argue against something as basic as voter i.d., and decline to prosecute an identifiable group standing outside polling places with weapons,... it's an uphill battle against a 'culture of corruption'.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 30, 2012
Otto: Answer 1: The military/CIA/drones/Spectra were already there and could have helped.
How exactly? By firing missiles in another country's capital, at night, at an unidentified group of people within an embassy compound??
2. Obama knew it was no spontanious demonstration
So?
yet his administration dug up a video which no one saw
Demonstrations broke out throughout the Arab world over it. Fatwas were issued.
blamed it on the attacks, which then lead to the video producer going to jail.
-for violating probation. Nothing else.
Obama used this video as an excuse for weeks, even spending money appologizing for it.
The vid was potentially more dangerous as many radical groups were using it as an excuse to do bad things.
1. Obama is afraid to call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack.
Acknowledging a terrorist attack before all the facts were known would have been reckless if anything. What is the difference between a terror attack and something else?
freethinking
2.4 / 5 (14) Oct 30, 2012
Can anyone say Republican landslide?

http://washington...DfkbCz8B

As I said, Republican's need a landslide so that found votes, dead votes, and repeat votes are drowned out.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Oct 30, 2012
The request for added security was rejected for the Benghazi embasy because
someone asked the question 'how do you defend against 120 heavily-armed paramilitaries in a foreign country? Embassy security is the responsibility of the host country who typically has the forces to do this. This is the LAW. You do understand that don't you?
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (19) Oct 30, 2012
blamed it on the attacks, which then lead to the video producer going to jail.
-for violating probation. Nothing else.


Now Otto, I know you're not that clueless. They trotted that guy in front of cameras in handcuffs, so it appeared to the muslim people that he was being arrested for the video. Everyone knows it was another liberal minded appeasement and apology to the muslim world.

Instead what he should have done, is stated in no uncertain terms that 'that man has a right to say what he wishes in America, and further, the USA will never apologize for defending free speech.',.... but liberals would never do that.
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (19) Oct 30, 2012
The request for added security was rejected for the Benghazi embasy because
someone asked the question 'how do you defend against 120 heavily-armed paramilitaries in a foreign country? Embassy security is the responsibility of the host country who typically has the forces to do this. This is the LAW. You do understand that don't you?


Not at well as the Ambassador that was killed, who among others was one who requested added security, multiple times. It is in fact entirely rational and "legal" to have extra security in a country that JUST had a revolution.

Obama used this video as an excuse for weeks, even spending money appologizing for it.
The vid was potentially more dangerous as many radical groups were using it as an excuse to do bad things.


Typical liberal, ...blame a video, a guys opinion, for violance commited by savages. The video was never to blame, never. Logically, you could only blame that video if you are willing to justify the killings
Noumenon
2.8 / 5 (20) Oct 30, 2012
1. Obama is afraid to call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack.
Acknowledging a terrorist attack before all the facts were known would have been reckless if anything


If the facts were "not all in", the Obama people would have chosen to say Nothing, by their own stated standards. So in fact, we know the facts were all in, because they choose to mislead about the video, because obviously there must have been a reason for focusing to much on that video,... i.e. their knowledge that a terrorist attack post Gadaffi right before the election would not look good.

What is the difference between a terror attack and something else?

When an identifiable group, who's mission is to murder innocent people, claims responsibility. Not difficult.
freethinking
2.8 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2012
Otto, how do you defend against 120 attackers? Well you take out their mortors via the armed drones flying overhead, then the Spetra gun ship takes out the snipers and those carrying RPG, and the special forces would take out the remaining terrorists.

Come on Otto, don't be an Obamaidiot and say it shouldn't and couldn't have been done.

Also I agree with Noum in thinking your much too smart to believe the pictures of the producer in handcuffs were not meant to show Muslim Extremists that insulting Islam wont be tolerated in the USA. Obama appoligizing for the Video, then seeing the producer arrested says what to extremists?

The questions to be answered are: Was it Obama who ordered the military to stand down? Was it Obama that ordered the coverup? Why was there a coverup? What was the Ambassador actually doing?
kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2012
@freeOfThinking Koch your response is funny since you are a Jew, Christian, and American hating person.
Well by your standard so are the founding fathers who put freedom FROM religion ahead of freedom of religion in the constitution.

The America I hate is the America in your head. Fortunately it only exists there. The real Americas are a lovely place with earthly people, rainforests, lovely beaches, beautiful women and wonderful food. You should explore the Americas it seems you don't know much about them.
kochevnik
2.5 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2012
What is the difference between a terror attack and something else?
@Neuromon When an identifiable group, who's mission is to murder innocent people, claims responsibility. Not difficult.
Ahem. Wouldn't that be you Mr. Jackboot? How are your Golden Dawn buddies doing?
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2012
Koch you repeat the lie of the radical progressive athiests. There IS no seperation between church and state.

http://www.uscons...not.html

The first amendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances---

1'st amend, is actually a seperation of STATE and CHURCH, protecting the Church. It is progressive athiests that are constantly tying to make laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Wait a sec, you're a progressive. Sorry, you believe in a living constitution, meaning, it means whatever you want it to mean. I forgot, progressives don't care about the constitution.

BTW, my sons carry a constition booklet to school so when a progressive teacher makes a stupid statment about it they can be corrected in front of the class.
freethinking
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2012
Hummm, Obama getting illegal campain contributions from terrorists:
http://www.wnd.co...nations/

What is it with Progressives and sexual organs. You have Biden asking a dead soldiers father if his son always had balls the size of cue balls and now more progressives, and now michael moore video:
http://dailycalle...-romney/

kochevnik
2 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2012
Koch you repeat the lie of the radical progressive athiests. There IS no seperation between church and state.
Reading skills please. The 1st Amendment does protect "the free exercise" of religion – but only after barring government from "establishing" religion. Viewed strictly in terms of sequence, the First Amendement's "first freedom" is freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion.

I forgot, conservatives care about the constitution. They just use it like a bible when useful, and otherwise forget it even exists.
ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (17) Oct 30, 2012
freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion.

I want freedom from the atheist and socialist religions imposed by the federal govt.
kochevnik
1.8 / 5 (10) Oct 30, 2012
freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion.
I want freedom from the atheist and socialist religions imposed by the federal govt.
Ok ryggie please explain how atheists are keeping you down.

Some classic xtian freedoms: Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock said "even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that is something that God intended to happen." Pennsylvania Senate candidate Tom Smith compared rape to having a baby without marriage. Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin said "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (27) Oct 30, 2012
Now Otto, I know you're not that clueless. They trotted that guy in front of cameras in handcuffs, so it appeared to the muslim people that he was being arrested for the video.
You have something against PR for the greater good? He broke a serious law. You think we should have refrained from arresting him just to appease you conservatives? Just between you and me it was protective custody, preplanned.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 30, 2012
Otto, how do you defend against 120 attackers? Well you take out their mortors via the armed drones flying overhead, then the Spetra gun ship takes out the snipers and those carrying RPG, and the special forces would take out the remaining terrorists.
AGAIN it was at night, unanticipated, over in an hour or 2, on foreign soil, and most importantly, against international law. As the token liberal on fox said today what they saw was a lot of smoke and fire and mayhem and all sorts of people running everywhere, no idea who was who. Use your freaking head.

What irks me is you religionists want to blame it on an American president when it was RELIGIONISTS who perpetrated it. The same kinds of people as you who were only trying to appease their god and earn a living. You should take responsibility for supporting superstition.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Oct 30, 2012
I want freedom from the atheist and socialist religions imposed by the federal govt.
Right. You know the only reason that we tolerate politicians spouting religious pronouncements while on duty? It's because we are still in the Process of attracting the cream of religionist cultures from around the world, whose religion-based cultures are crumbling around them, as they always do. This country was established to be a grand mixmaster, and in order to function properly it must have a little of everybody.

And the best and brightest most ambitious and and most pragmatic are more likely to come here if our spokesmodels are spouting religious nonsense. And their children are more likely to reject this nonsense when they grow up here. They always have.
ryggesogn2
3.3 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2012
how atheists are keeping you down.

They ban people's freedom of speech to celebrate Christmas and to pray at public events.
Noumenon
3 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2012
Now Otto, I know you're not that clueless. They trotted that guy in front of cameras in handcuffs, so it appeared to the muslim people that he was being arrested for the video.
You have something against PR for the greater good? You think we should have refrained from arresting him just to appease you conservatives? Just between you and me it was protective custody, preplanned.


Well which was it, a PR scheme, preplanned protection, or they just innocently decided to arrest the guy at that key moment? Answer; it was a PR stunt to give the rag-heads the impression he was being arrested for stating his opinion.

What greater good? Defending freedom of speech, IS the greater good.

I see you are a hypocrite; on the one hand you claim to dislike "religionists", but then agree with Obama & Clinton, to appease them by apologizing for and blaming the video, thus legitimizing such violent anti-freedom outrage.

In any case, Obama tried to cover up a terrorist attack.
dick_loves_otto
3.1 / 5 (19) Oct 31, 2012
They ban people's freedom of speech to celebrate Christmas and to pray at public events.
You mean proselytize using govt authority dont you? Does god receive your wishes any clearer from football games and classrooms? You just want to assert your claims to OUR govt and this cannot be tolerated.

"America belongs to jesus." -pat robertson

No it doesnt. You are free to beg jesus for favors in your temple shrines and your basements, but please keep in mind that this activity offends most people including most other religionists. Be polite.
dick_loves_otto
3.2 / 5 (20) Oct 31, 2012
Answer; it was a PR stunt to give the rag-heads the impression he was being arrested for stating his opinion.
Ragheads Nou? He violated the specifics of his probation by making the movie and so he was arrested. NOT arresting him would have been breaking the law. Correct?
In any case, Obama tried to cover up a terrorist attack.
Obama waited until he had all the info, and until all options for containment and retaliation had been explored, and until he had consulted with allies, BEFORE he declared the specific nature of the attack.

This is exactly what mccain would have done, and you would be praising his calm restraint and thoughtful, measured actions at this very moment.

There could have been much more violence in the name of that video, but the president defused this potential by denouncing it. You religionists and pseudo-religionists alike should certainly appreciate the presidents defense of the right to superstitious expression?

Admit it - you are a dupe.
freethinking
2.8 / 5 (11) Oct 31, 2012
Otto, are you now an Obamaidiot? The attack took place over 7 hours. They had warning before the attack took place. Night vision googles, the Americans own the night. No one would have known about the video EXCEPT that Obama blamed that it caused the attack. The producer of the video would not have been arrested, except for the publicity Obama gave his video.

I might have to admit I was nice to Biden in thinking he admired the soldier who was killed when he asked his father if he always had balls as big as cue balls. It might turn out that Biden was being sarcastic. He might have thought the soldier was being a girl as he was begging for help.
http://www.thegat...g-video/

Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (17) Oct 31, 2012
Obama waited until he had all the info, and until all options for containment and retaliation had been explored, and until he had consulted with allies, BEFORE he declared the specific nature of the attack.


Patently false. He trotted out Ambassador Rice and his apologist, Carney, to claim it was the video that caused the attack, during the first two weeks. In addition, while he "waited until he had all the info",.. he gave a UN speech, again apologizing for a mans free speech and thus blaming the video.

That idiots video is irreverent to the attack, and the Obama people knew it within hours.

The Obama administration actively orchestrated propaganda to misinform the American people, as to the nature of the attack, for personal political gain before the election.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (17) Oct 31, 2012
There could have been much more violence in the name of that video, but the president defused this potential by denouncing it.


You and Obama don't understand that if protection of free-speech, was only for prosaic and uncontroversial statements, it wouldn't require protection.

It is during such controversial speech, that a REAL leader would NOT apologize for it, but instead, BLAME THE VIOLENCE ON THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING IT, rather than one mans free opinion*.

Do you not understand that muslims will not be satisfied until it is illegal to say anything they don't like about their dopy religion, nor even draw pictures of mohammad? Do you not understand that appeasement of these cavemen, is tantamount to legitimizing such anti-freedom?

You religionists [..] should certainly appreciate the presidents defense of the right to superstitious expression?


Are you calling attacking our embassy and murdering our ambassador, superstitious expression?
kochevnik
2 / 5 (12) Oct 31, 2012
@Neurotard Do you not understand that muslims will not be satisfied until it is illegal to say anything they don't like about their dopy religion, nor even draw pictures of mohammad? Do you not understand that appeasement of these cavemen, is tantamount to legitimizing such anti-freedom?
Well Muslims I know don't give a damn. We are all laughing at you, to tell the truth. I make it a point to bring up your fascist posts at dinner conversations. Always a great opener.
Noumenon
3 / 5 (18) Oct 31, 2012
@Neurotard Do you not understand that muslims will not be satisfied until it is illegal to say anything they don't like about their dopy religion, nor even draw pictures of mohammad? Do you not understand that appeasement of these cavemen, is tantamount to legitimizing such anti-freedom?
Well Muslims I know don't give a damn. We are all laughing at you, to tell the truth. I make it a point to bring up your fascist posts at dinner conversations. Always a great opener.


It should have been clear, even to you, that given the context, I refer to those muslims that support violence,... and not to muslims in general. I have no problems referring to such extremists as cavemen or rag-heads. Is this worse than you referring to me as a "facist" over and over, for no apparent reason?
obama_socks
2 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2012
@VD
Your link to Debbie Schlussel's page was informative…somewhat. She fails to specify in her column exactly which of her pieces were plagiarized by D. Hagmann and Jerome Corsi. It would've been helpful if she had included links to those particular pieces so that we could get a handle on what she wrote and compare them to what they wrote.
But not specifying clearly and providing at least one example in full, she fails the credibility test, as it clearly exemplifies the fact that the allegedly plagiarized material wasn't mentioned, just the allegation.
Accusations of plagiarism are not effective unless the proof can be provided - side by side if possible. Schlussel came off sounding like she's off her meds and a bit hysterical. Too bad. She's quite sexy.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2012
By the way - Blotto says that I work for NASA. I have never mentioned to anyone on this website about where I work, who I work for, and what is my profession. I have degrees in Engineering and that is all I will reveal about myself. Blotto (Theghostofotto1923) has a bad habit of tacking on personalities, histories, professions, etc. to people like me and Estevan57, and others. Blotto is a liar and should not be trusted with any personal information. He prides himself on his memory and ability to retain personal information about people, especially those he dislikes and has an axe to grind on. One of my colleagues at work has been giving Blotto 1s after I told him about the blithering Otto idiot. In another, thread Blotto said to me:'Suck_suck_suck_suck...' Obviously, he was thinking about the "gay porn" sites that Pussycateyes gave him before she changed her name.
And no, I have only my primary name and this one...no others.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 31, 2012
I think its going to be close even though the polls show Romney gaining big time,.. because the Obama handlers know how to get his base to "come out of the wood work" in just the right area to get to 270.

Also, when they actively argue against something as basic as voter i.d., and decline to prosecute an identifiable group standing outside polling places with weapons,... it's an uphill battle against a 'culture of corruption'.

I think its going to be close even though the polls show Romney gaining big time,.. because the Obama handlers know how to get his base to "come out of the wood work" in just the right area to get to 270.

Also, when they actively argue against something as basic as voter i.d., and decline to prosecute an identifiable group standing outside polling places with weapons,... it's an uphill battle against a 'culture of corruption'.
-Noumenon

There's a good chance that the "New Black Panthers" will be out in force at voting places to intimidate voters.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (13) Oct 31, 2012
@Neurotard Do you not understand that muslims will not be satisfied until it is illegal to say anything they don't like about their dopy religion, nor even draw pictures of mohammad? Do you not understand that appeasement of these cavemen, is tantamount to legitimizing such anti-freedom?
Well Muslims I know don't give a damn. We are all laughing at you, to tell the truth. I make it a point to bring up your fascist posts at dinner conversations. Always a great opener.
-kochevnik

Excellent!! It does us Conservatives good to know that you are exercising your First Amendment right to free speech while you are in the U.S.
Perhaps the Muslims you know are of a different nature who don't go bonkers if you insult their prophet and their Quran, no matter what. Have at it and laugh all you want. It's apparent that you haven't insulted Mohammed and burned the Quran in the presence of murderous Jihadists. That's why your Muslim friends laugh with you at this time.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Oct 31, 2012
Otto, are you now an Obamaidiot? The attack took place over 7 hours.
-Aw did you make that word up all by yourself?

The attacks occurred at 2 separate locations in the course of many hours. Each was over very quickly. In the meantime, combatants, defenders, Libyan forces, and civilians were intermingled.

You wanted another Somalia didn't you? Another half-assed dumfuk operation where everybody's killing everybody. That would certainly have made Obama look bad. This was not like calling air cav in a war zone.

Speaking of dumfuks
By the way - Blotto says that I work for NASA. I have never mentioned to anyone on this website about where I work, who I work for, and what is my profession
I posted the proof. You claimed it many times.
I have degrees in Engineering and that is all I will reveal about myself
I did not know there was a University of Model Train Driving. Please calculate again for us how zero growth = zero births = extinction. Only 3 variables. You lying d
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (11) Oct 31, 2012
Excellent!! It does us Conservatives good to know that you are exercising your First Amendment right to free speech while you are in the U.S.

I have much more freedom in Russia. You don't have freedom of speech in the US in case you already forgot about OWS last year or Paul Ryan dragging seniors away in cuffs for asking why he will steal their retirements.
Perhaps the Muslims you know are of a different nature who don't go bonkers if you insult their prophet and their Quran, no matter what.
Actually the radical group I encounter here are rabid zionists who openly flout the law with the court clerk assigning their court cases to a fellow member of the tribe as part of the local mob. Of course the real warmongers are the xtians here who vote as a single mindless block.

So no I would say that most Muslims I encounter are peaceful or aggressive in a local way, while xtains and zionists are truly frightening because they will drag the rest of the world into WWIII
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 31, 2012
There's a good chance that the "New Black Panthers" will be out in force at voting places to intimidate
Wow hot black women in leotards!
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 01, 2012
Excellent!! It does us Conservatives good to know that you are exercising your First Amendment right to free speech while you are in the U.S.

I have much more freedom in Russia. You don't have freedom of speech in the US in case you already forgot about OWS last year or Paul Ryan dragging seniors away in cuffs for asking why he will steal their retirements.


So no I would say that most Muslims I encounter are peaceful or aggressive in a local way, while xtains and zionists are truly frightening because they will drag the rest of the world into WWIII
-koch

You say you have more freedom of speech in Russia...in that case, why live in the U.S.?
I personally have the right to free speech here in my home country. If I had lived in Germany in the 1940s I would have been censored from stating my opinions if those opinions were not met with approval by the National Socialists aka Nazi Party. Paul Ryan is innocent of your charges. Don't make up lies...it's unbecoming.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (10) Nov 01, 2012
I personally have the right to free speech here in my home country.
Well great that goes for many developed countries. In Russia we talk more freely than in US where we must learn what is not acceptable to the power structures. For example your rulers are extremely interested in where your wealth is stashed so they can extract a fee. The extent to which they are willing to destroy your privacy to effect that goal is an abnormal scenario in most of the world.
If I had lived in Germany in the 1940s I would have been censored from stating my opinions if those opinions were not met with approval by the National Socialists aka Nazi Party.
Well don't point your TARDIS to that point in space time then!
Paul Ryan is innocent of your charges. Don't make up lies...it's unbec
Paul is ON TAPE arresting five seniors for speaking up when he said he would steal their retirement and give it to the banksters. You need to find another hero, sorry
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (17) Nov 01, 2012
Paul Ryan is innocent of your charges. Don't make up lies...it's unbec
Paul is ON TAPE arresting five seniors for speaking up when he said he would steal their retirement and give it to the banksters. You need to find another hero, sorry


Those people were absolutely NOT arrested "for speaking up",... they were arrested for disrupting a planned event.

Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to disrupt others free speech, nor to disrupt a pre-organized event, nor does it entitle you to an audience at your demand.

MoveOn.org constantly misinforms with this type of lies and slanderous propaganda, to convince imbeciles and know-nothings' that republicans are evil.

It's rather astonishing that anyone would think Romney/Ryan would steal their retirement. People like you are so gullible,... you're why HuffintonPost and MoveOn.org exist in the first place.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (9) Nov 01, 2012
Sorry, there is no evidence of that.

You do have a lot of ConservaTard bloggers running around quoting each other though and making up bag loads of nonsense.

"In any case, Obama tried to cover up a terrorist attack." - NoumenTard
VendicarD
2 / 5 (8) Nov 01, 2012
Jack Booted Thugs don't like being interrupted by little people who must remain remain quiet while they are being raped.

Speaking up for their rights means imprisonment in Ryan's Freedom loving America.

"Those people were absolutely NOT arrested "for speaking up",... they were arrested for disrupting a planned event." - NoumenTard
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 01, 2012
Of course it does.

"Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to disrupt others free speech" - NoumenTard

Although Jack Booted Thugs may demand otherwise.

Interesting isn't it that Conservatives have labeled Julian Assange as a target for political assassination for telling the truth about America.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 01, 2012
Conservatives like to project all sorts of things that are unreal, and then blame their enemies for engaging in their fantasy.

"There's a good chance that the "New Black Panthers" will be out in force at voting places to intimidate voters." - ObamaSox

It is a common mental defect among Conservatives.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 01, 2012
Poor Sox. His source was caught plagerizing another writer, and spends it's days yammering nonsense taken from John Clansey novels, Bigfoot sightings, and UFO landings.

"She fails to specify in her column exactly which of her pieces were plagiarized by D. Hagmann and Jerome Corsi" - ObamaSox

Like all Conservative sources. Credibility = 0.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (9) Nov 01, 2012
Given that America has murdered over 30 million people since it's founding, I fail to see why NumenTard singles out Muslims, and excludes his own corrupt nation when it comes to supporing violence.

After all, it was Ronald Reagan who covertly funded Terrorists to murder innocent Nicaraguan Women, Children, Nuns, etc.

Perhaps NoumenTard believes that only America has the right to commit acts of mass murder.

"I refer to those muslims that support violence,..." - NoumenTard

All thinking people disagree with him.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 01, 2012
I do the same. We shake our heads, and laugh at the stupidity of NoumenTard, and Conservative Americans in general.

Some have wondered why America tolerates such Rabid dogs, and regularly suggest a cull to bring their numbers down.

"We are all laughing at you, to tell the truth. I make it a point to bring up your fascist posts at dinner conversations. Always a great opener." - Kohe

The cull is coming of course, and very soon now.
VendicarD
2 / 5 (8) Nov 01, 2012
For some, clearly it was.

"Are you calling attacking our embassy and murdering our ambassador, superstitious expression?" - NoumenTard

For others it was payback for the U.S. murdering thousands of innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Don't you agree NoumenTard?
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 01, 2012
The problem with Romney of course, is that he has shown himself to be an even bigger liar than George Bush.

Noumenon
3.3 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2012
Jack Booted Thugs don't like being interrupted by little people who must remain remain quiet while they are being raped.

Speaking up for their rights means imprisonment in Ryan's Freedom loving America.

"Those people were absolutely NOT arrested "for speaking up",... they were arrested for disrupting a planned event." - NoumenTard


It's not difficult to find examples of protesters "speaking up for their rights" being removed by police from interrupting Obama speaking, i.e. here.

Only a complete know-nothing and dunderhead would think anything inappropriate in how the Ryan security handled that incident.
Noumenon
3.3 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2012
Of course it does.

"Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to disrupt others free speech" - NoumenTard

Although Jack Booted Thugs may demand otherwise.

Interesting isn't it that Conservatives have labeled Julian Assange as a target for political assassination for telling the truth about America.


No, moron, Assange is another idealist imbecile, who thinks that countries have no right to protect their OWN top secrete intl and data. He is another liberal mush-head, like you.
Noumenon
3.3 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2012
For some, clearly it was.

"Are you calling attacking our embassy and murdering our ambassador, superstitious expression?" - NoumenTard

For others it was payback for the U.S. murdering thousands of innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Don't you agree NoumenTard?


No, knucklehead, I don't.

Actually, YOU and the far left OWS types, have zero credibility. It's clear given how your statements are so far over the top, that you have been conditioned to be hysterical in your hatred of "libertarians and conservatives", by leftist propaganda machines like MoveOn.Orh and HuffintongPost, and MSNBC, etc.

Clearly, you're an imbecile if you think that the USA targeted innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan. If that was so, why don't I hear legitimate democratic senators or congressmen making that charge? It is only internet retards and UN flakes that repeat such irresponsible stupidity. Why is leftist like Obama actually doing a decent job in the war on terror?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Nov 01, 2012
That idiots video is irreverent to the attack, and the Obama people knew it within hours.
Dunderhead nou? So fucking what? The vid WAS relevant to tinderbox conditions throughout the region and the pres took the proper steps to defuse it. And these steps worked. And he did NOT have all the facts within hours, nor all options available on dealing with it.

And you all STILL don't have all relevant info, nor are you required to, nor will you EVER have. What administration would disclose sensitive defense-related info to the general public, and tip their hand? This is precisely your argument when conservative admins refuse to disclose info. Why is it you grasp and embrace the concept in one case and not the other.

All of war is deception. You do understand that don't you? Stop aiding the enemy by discrediting our leadership for political purposes.
Noumenon
3.4 / 5 (17) Nov 01, 2012
@ OttoGhoastFace

Sorry, there is no evidence of that.

[..]

"In any case, Obama tried to cover up a terrorist attack." - NoumenTard


These are the facts;

1) the attack on the embassy WAS a premeditated terrorist assault.

2) The Obama administration sent out Rice and Carney, and Obama to mislead as to the nature of the attack, even though by their own excuse, they didn't have enough information.

3) Less then a month prior to the attack, a emergency meeting was held to discuss concerns of an attack on the embassy by terrorist in the area.

4) The Obama administration declined to increase security, even though in the above meeting it was called for, and the ambassador himself called for it.

Since the Obama administration has refused to give the facts to this day, it is rational to speculate as I have done.

The Obama people are playing out the clock until after the election, and have hide UN ambassador Rice under a desk somewhere out of the way.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
What administration would disclose sensitive defense-related info to the general public, and tip their hand? This is precisely your argument when conservative admins refuse to disclose info. Why is it you grasp and embrace the concept in one case and not the other


Why do you not make the same argument against VD, wrt to Assange?

Actually, I agree with you, but I am not asking for top secret information, so your point is misplaced.

What needs to be disclosed are not secrete things, but rather why were there not appropriate security prior to this incident when it is clear that such security was requested multiple times. I want to know WHO made that decision, and when did the Obama people know it was a possible terrorist attack.

Why? Because we can't have an administration purposely misinform the American people, for purposes of political gain, i.e. to cover failed decisions.

The Obama administration is being asked to provide information that proves he did not mislead.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
Given that America has murdered over 30 million people since it's founding, .... - VendicarD


Statements like this is why you have zero credibility.
freethinking
3.3 / 5 (14) Nov 01, 2012
Noum,

Other facts:
Biden is heartless and crude. Who would ever ask a grieving soldiers father if his son always had balls the size of cue balls.

Obama, Hillary, Biden have no issues with lying about events and blaming others for causing it.

The corrupt media, aka the Main Stream (perhaps it can now be also known as the urine stream)media, aka ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, are doing everything the Help Obama win the election. They refuse to investigate, and are actively helping in this coverup.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Nov 01, 2012
1) the attack on the embassy WAS a premeditated terrorist assault.
So was pearl harbor. So was 9/11. Why didn't bush prevent that?
to mislead as to the nature of the attack
All of war is deception. YOU are not required to know anything about the specifics of wartime strategy.
The Obama administration declined to increase security
How do you defend against 120 heavily-armed paramilitaries in a night attack? Embassies are not khe sanh ican people, for purposes of political gain, i.e. to cover failed decisions. Sorry the only people who are misinforming for political gain are your Fox tv pundits. They are creating an issue where absolutely none exists. You would realize this if you were only to imagine McCain in the same place, doing exactly the same things, and not talking about it for reasons of national security during a WAR against religionist terrorism.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (24) Nov 01, 2012
Interesting how the flood is garbling posts and ensuring that Obama gets reelected. God and gov christie have spoken! Long live FEMA! Death to enemies of the state
They ban people's freedom of speech to celebrate Christmas and to pray at public events.
-and to all religions.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
1) the attack on the embassy WAS a premeditated terrorist assault. So was pearl harbor. So was 9/11.
Why didn't bush prevent that?


I'm not accusing Obama of not having magical control over space and time. The attack on that Embassy could have occurred on any presidents watch. Again, the issue is this a) if there was an emergency meeting less than a month before the attack for the sole purpose of discussing concerns of an attack by terrorists on the embassy,... who made the decision not to added the requested security, so that we improve are means of handling such affairs.

Was it a mentality that refused added security even though it was requested multiple times, or just incompetence. No matter why, the situation NEEDS to be analyzed to prevent such things from occurring again.

And again, we can't have a admin. misleading the American people, so it is perfectly rational to request information to dispel such concerns.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Nov 01, 2012
What needs to be disclosed are not secrete things, but rather why were there not appropriate security prior to this incident when it is clear that such security was requested multiple times
It was obviously not available, not providable, and not possible. And there was absolutely nothing that could have been done after the attack had been done.

And you were told who and what was responsible. It is the lies sold by religion which convinces people that god requires them to propagate beyond their means and then to blame others for their subsequent suffering.
I'm not accusing Obama of not having magical control over space and time
Sure you are. This is the religionist mindset which pervades society which tells us that nothing is impossible. NOTHING is inevitable.

Defense is futile as an enemy has all the time he needs to look for weak points and attack when HE is ready. The only proper defense is attack, and the public must be convinced that this is necessary.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
All of war is deception. YOU are not required to know anything about the specifics of wartime strategy.


Who is asking for wartime strategy to be disclosed? You're making non-sense up. I want to be assured that my president isn't covering up bad decision making for political reasons, and why no additional security was not added to that embassy. Is the reason faulty mentality, or just incompetence, or are we wrong? It's vital that the American people understand what went wrong. Where is the transparency all of a sudden?

How do you defend against 120 heavily-armed paramilitaries in a night attack?


By having the appropriate security or military present before hand,... as was evidently requested,... or be NOT having an embassy until a post revolutionary country settles down into civility. Do you skip over what I write above?
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
What needs to be disclosed are not secrete things, but rather why were there not appropriate security prior to this incident when it is clear that such security was requested multiple times
It was obviously not available, not providable, and not possible. And there was absolutely nothing that could have been done after the attack had been done.


IF (IF) that was the case there should not have been an embassy there. The fact that there was an embassy there demonstrates that you are wrong; Thus, USA could easily have had appropriate security there (in a post Gadaffi-murdered chaotic country!!), as was request one month prior. If at that time it was found not to be possible as you say, then the Embassy should have been closed. Obama is covering up failure.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
I'm not accusing Obama of not having magical control over space and time
Sure you are. This is the religionist mindset which pervades society which tells us that nothing is impossible. NOTHING is inevitable.


You know that I don't believe in god, and further, I stated above that the attack could have happened on any presidents watch. Do you skip what I write?

Defense is futile as an enemy has all the time he needs to look for weak points and attack when HE is ready. The only proper defense is attack, and the public must be convinced that this is necessary.


If it was true that in this case, "Defense [of the Embassy] is futile", it only uncovers another example of incompetence, as the Embassy should not have remained open in such an environment.

You ignore the elephant in the room. Added security was ALREADY requested multiple times prior to the attack and was denied. Who denied that request AND at the same time kept that embassy open? Bad decisions are NOT ok.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Nov 01, 2012
Who is asking for wartime strategy to be disclosed?
We are in a war against religion. You think wartime strategy begins and ends on the battlefield? It is as important for the good guys to defend the religious honor of moderates in the region by denouncing a video, as it is for them to root out insurgents with drones.

Khe sanh was established with the understanding that it WOULD be attacked and quite possibly overrun. Foot patrols are routinely sent out to initiate contact with the enemy so that they may be exposed and annihilated.

What makes you think that embassies aren't maintained in dangerous environments for exactly the same purpose? That fleets are not sent into enemy harbors in order to provoke attack? That tall buildings aren't constructed for the sole purpose of providing an enemy an irresistible target?

The entire bridgehead state of Israel was established to provoke. This is how an enemy is engaged and defeated. This is what wartime deception looks like.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2012
OK, it's time to take your meds, and put down your tattered copy of 'art of war' with the pages stuck together.

Even I, an anti-liberal libertarian conservative, would not accuse the Obama administration of inventing the conditions in which the embassy (consulate) could be attacked for the sole purpose of justifying further military action. Nor would I ever agree that we are at "war with religion (islam)".

If that was a clever trick to get me to defend Obama, bravo!
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Nov 01, 2012
You know that I don't believe in god
We all tend to think we can live forever and that we deserve special favors. That the odds can favor us if we really want them to. You believe there is some metaphysical plane where your intellectual soul can retreat. This is the religionist mindset which perverts our thinking whether we realize it or not.
If it was true that in this case, "Defense [of the Embassy] is futile", it only uncovers another example of incompetence, as the Embassy should not have remained open in such an environment.
And Roosevelt should not have moved the fleet from San Diego to Hawaii. The point is that our embassies SHOULD be safe anywhere, and the fact that they can be attacked gives us all the justification we need to seek out and DESTROY the enemy wherever they exist, rather than to RETREAT until they are crossing our borders. You see how important it is to STAND FIRM in the face of the enemy? They attack, we annihilate. WE provoke when WE decide.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Nov 01, 2012
would not accuse the Obama administration of inventing the conditions in which the embassy (consulate) could be attacked for the sole purpose of justifying further military action. Nor would I ever agree that we are at "war with religion (islam)".
-Except that it has ALWAYS been done this way. YOU decide when and where and how a fight starts, and it is usually preferable to provoke the enemy into making the first move. How else will the public learn what a dastardly menace they are? How else can the public be expected to spend the money and send their sons and daughters to fight?

Religion has taught us that nothing is inevitable. But in this world, war has always been inevitable and unavoidable. And so it absolutely essential that you decide when, where, and how, it will start; and most importantly, how it will end.

Put your Kant comic books with the sticky pages away and you might be able to understand this. Hey those fox anchors ARE hot aren't they? Fapfapfapfap
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (25) Nov 01, 2012
In many ways goebbels was the most important person in the third Reich. His PR convinced the people to commit to that war to the extent that they did.
ryggesogn2
3.4 / 5 (17) Nov 01, 2012
OK, it's time to take your meds, and put down your tattered copy of 'art of war' with the pages stuck together.

Even I, an anti-liberal libertarian conservative, would not accuse the Obama administration of inventing the conditions in which the embassy (consulate) could be attacked for the sole purpose of justifying further military action. Nor would I ever agree that we are at "war with religion (islam)".

If that was a clever trick to get me to defend Obama, bravo!

No one in any govt is as clever as auto fears.
Noumenon
3.3 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2012
You believe there is some metaphysical plane where your intellectual soul can retreat. This is the religionist mindset which perverts our thinking whether we realize it or not.


No I don't. What are you talking about?

The point is that our embassies SHOULD be safe anywhere, and the fact that they can be attacked gives us all the justification we need to seek out and DESTROY the enemy wherever they exist, rather than to RETREAT until they are crossing our borders. You see how important it is to STAND FIRM in the face of the enemy? They attack, we annihilate. WE provoke when WE decide.


I'm all for seeking out our enemy, but, do you not understand that by NOT providing additional security or military at that consulate, we in effect retreated in the face of a threat?

It was clearly determined beforehand that there was a threat there, yet someone in the Obama admin refused the request of security, thus retreating from that threat,.. not facing that threat with force.
Noumenon
3.3 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2012
I would not accuse the Obama administration of inventing the conditions in which the embassy (consulate) could be attacked for the sole purpose of justifying further military action. Nor would I ever agree that we are at "war with religion (islam)". - Noumenon
Except that it has ALWAYS been done this way. YOU decide when and where and how a fight starts, and it is usually preferable to provoke the enemy into making the first move. How else will the public learn what a dastardly menace they are? How else can the public be expected to spend the money and send their sons and daughters to fight? - Otto


Easily, when we are threatened and attacked. That you believe that in America, "tall buildings [are] constructed for the sole purpose of providing an enemy an irresistible target", demonstrates that you live in a fantasy world, and contort yourself in order to blame America for the actions of savages.

Btw, it is YOU who brings up religion more than anyone else here.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (27) Nov 02, 2012
Easily, when we are threatened and attacked
Any strategist will tell you that it is suicide to wait until you are attacked. And yes it was Sun Tsu who said that you must determine when where and how a battle starts. Sorry nou, I'm afraid you dont know enough about the subject to comment.
That you believe that in America, "tall buildings [are] constructed for the sole purpose of providing an enemy an irresistible target"
Larry Silverstein was presented with an attractive opportunity to purchase the twin towers but he declined. When asked why, he said it was because he didn't want to own a target. I saw the clip from the interview on tv. Naïveté loses wars you know.

The day Israel declared it's independence it was attacked on all it's borders. You wave a red flag at a bull and it will most likely charge. The bullfighter determines the nature of the bulls attack, and is able to skillfully, artfully, turn it to his advantage.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Nov 02, 2012
No I don't. What are you talking about?
Oh come now, fess up. I don't believe you think noumenon is just a pretty word do you?

"Thus, on Kant's view, the most fundamental laws of nature, like the truths of mathematics, are knowable precisely because they make no effort to describe the world as it really is but rather prescribe the structure of the world as we experience it. By applying the pure forms of sensible intuition and the pure concepts of the understanding, we achieve a systematic view of the phenomenal realm but learn nothing of the noumenal realm. Math and science are certainly true of the phenomena; only METAPHYSICS claims to instruct us about the noumena."

-And as we know the metaphysical is the asstral plane, whether you philos realize this or not. Just another Wunschtraum.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
"It's not difficult to find examples of protesters "speaking up for their rights" - NumenTard

From NumenTard's own link covering the event in question.

"President Obama's speech at a Democratic National Committee "Moving America Forward" rally this afternoon in Bridgeport, Conn., was interrupted by a group of protesters who stood up and shouted about global AIDS funding."

Perhaps NumenTard can explain to us how yelling about Global AIDS funding has anything to do with the Rights of Americans?

Poor NumenTard. Like all Conservatives he claims to be a rational thinker, but doesn't appear capable of rational thought.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
Translation, "I think the Republican jack booted thugs were kind to those old geezers who were trying to prevent Ryan from stealing their money."

"Only a complete know-nothing and dunderhead would think anything inappropriate in how the Ryan security handled that incident." - NumenTard
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
Are you trying to say that the U.S. is only guilty of mass manslaughter and not mass murder?

I might agree with you if the U.S. hadn't flown half way around the world without provocation to do the mass killing.

"Clearly, you're an imbecile if you think that the USA targeted innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan." - NoumenTard

What is the punishment for mass manslaughter?
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
Conservatives have been traitors against their own nation for a long, long time.

I seem to remember that George Bush's grandfather was one of the conservative Bankers who financially supported Hitler.

I'm sure the unfettered capitalism was good for the world. Don't you agree NumenTard?

"Stop aiding the enemy by discrediting our leadership for political purposes." - Otto
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
In other words, you don't agree with the concept of freedom of speech either.

Conservatives pay lip service to "freedom", but are really enemies of freedom in practice.

That is why Fascism is always an outgrowth of Conservatism. It is simply a minor extension of Conservative Principles. Just ask any Neo-Nazi.

"Assange is another idealist imbecile, who thinks that countries have no right to protect their OWN top secrete intl and data." - NumenTard
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
Poor NumenTard. He just doesn't realize that demanding that his baseless supposition is a fact, doesn't make it so.

"The Obama administration sent out Rice and Carney, and Obama to mislead as to the nature of the attack, even though by their own excuse, they didn't have enough information." - NoumenTard

Like all Conservatives, he believes that his magical and contradictory thinking defines objective reality.

Thinking people know better.

That is why thinkers will never vote for perpetual liars like Romney or Bush.

VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
NumenTard just can't handle the truth that America has murdered over 30 million people since the nation was founded.

"Statements like this is why you have zero credibility." - NumenTard

Apparently he is ignorant of his own Nation's history and can't add.

His inability to add also explains his denial of the fact that Borrow and Spend Republicanism has bankrupted his nation.

People like NumenTard are what happens when a nation fails to educate it's own people.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
Romney the Congenital Liar.

http://romneythel...spot.ca/

Mitt Romney Told 27 Lies in 1st Debate

http://www.youtub...ekPB8Kok

"Because we can't have an administration purposely misinform the American people, for purposes of political gain, i.e. to cover failed decisions." - NumenTard
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (28) Nov 02, 2012
I'm sure the unfettered capitalism was good for the world. Don't you agree NumenTard?

"Stop aiding the enemy by discrediting our leadership for political purposes." - Otto
Ah. I think we can now diagnose your particular affliction.

"Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), or social aggression, is defined as a pattern of disobedient, negativistic, and provocative opposition to authority figures. More commonly seen in boys..."

-Adderall can help you with this. If you're not already on amphetamines that is.
freethinking
3 / 5 (12) Nov 02, 2012
How can you tell when VD is needing another dose of his medicine? He starts posting like mad!
How can you tell when Obama is lying? Ask him about Bengahzi!
How can you tell if Biden is a heartless? Ask him to talk to a slain soldiers father.
How can you tell if the MSM, (aka corrupt media) is protecting Obama? By seeing how they avoid mentioning Behngahzi, fast and furious, vote counting machines in now 6 states that seem to have calibration issues that make Romny votes into Obama votes, not reporting on the fraud of labour statistics, and... and... and...

less than 5 days left to uninstall the Obama virus. As I keep saying, pray that nothing gives Obama the excuse to stop the election, and if you don't support Obama, you need to vote, Obama needs to be beaten by a landslide. If it is a close vote, fraud will steal the election.
freethinking
2.8 / 5 (13) Nov 02, 2012
If you like Obama and Progressives then:
Only certain groups can help in disaster releif (in other words they'll let you freeze in the dark and cold)
http://www.waff.c...recovery
Perverts will be allowed to expose themselves to young girls, then progressives will appologize to the pervert if HIS feelings are hurt.
http://radio.foxn...rls.html
Mean while the corrupt media will continue to protect progressive causes and leaders, people will remain unemployed (while the government reports FULL employment), green power companies CEO's get rich from government money as their companies go bankrupt.

kochevnik
2 / 5 (12) Nov 02, 2012
Perverts will be allowed to expose themselves to young girls, then progressives will appologize to the pervert if HIS feelings are hurt.
Since you mention perverts here is one of your "Family Values" (phrase coined by Hitler) Eric Bodenweiser caught yesterday frolicking naked with hundreds of children and a 10yo boy: http://www.back2s...boy.html
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
The list of Republican Pedophiles is very long.

Here is just a short list.

http://911review....les.html

"Eric Bodenweiser caught yesterday frolicking naked with hundreds of children and a 10yo boy:" - Kochevnik

Odd isn't it that Faux news never seems to cover their
stories.

Why do you think that is FreeTard?
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
FreeTard seems to be very upset at a trans-gendered man changing in a girls locker room and thereby exposing himself to the women and children also changing there.

Don't Libertarians like FreeTard believe that blocking him from changing would be a violation of his rights?

Where in the U.S. constitution does it say that it is illegal for a man to change in a woman's locker room?

I'm confused. The Libertarian party platform states that children at any time can declare themselves adults and have the same rights as adults, including the right to prostitute themselves for candy if they like.

Doesn't that make the Libertarian party very friendly to Pedophiles?

I'm sure it does.

What do you think about that aspect of your party platform, FreeTard?
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
"How can you tell when Obama is lying?" - FreeTard

To my knowledge I have never seen him lie.

But Romney on the other hand, has proven himself to be a perpetual liar.

I have posted numerous video links that document Romney's chronic deceit. It is George Bush like in it's extent.

FreeTard seems to be hyperventilating.

His hate for freedom, Progress, Liberty, and Reason are clear for everyone to see. It is this Conservative Irrationalism, and denial of reality, that is destroying America.

I find it very telling that Romney told 27 lies in 31 minutes during his first debate with Obama, and FreeTard just ignores them all.

Mindless.
freethinking
3.3 / 5 (12) Nov 02, 2012
VD, you show the difference between Conservative and the Progressive nut jobs. If a conservative does something bad, they resign or are forced to resign. If a progressive rapes ie. Bill Clinton and a long list of others, they are celebrated and made into heros.

Also you and your progressive friends define lies very differently than conservatives. If you intentionally mislead that is a lie, ie. Obama saying Bengahzi was a spontanious riot. If someone mispeaks, ie. Obama saying there are 57 states in the US, then I don't consider that a lie.

I, unlike many progressives such as VD, do find it objectionable that a man deliberately exposes himself infront of 6 year old girls in a womans change. Anyone who excuses that, based on any reasoning is sexually deranged as well.

Progressives, Muslim extremists, and pedophiles groups seem to have a thing for young boys and girls, so if the allegations against Eric Bodenweiser are true, you can vote for him.
kochevnik
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 02, 2012
If a conservative does something bad, they resign or are forced to resign.
Mittens resigned?
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
Well we know that Ayn Rand took as one of her best friends a pedophile child murderer who chopped the legs off a 10 year old girl in order to get better access to her genitals.

Rand referred to him as a "moral superman".

Isn't she celebrated by the right?

"If a progressive rapes ie. Bill Clinton and a long list of others, they are celebrated and made into heros." - FreeTard

What did Bill Clinton do that was bad? Be precise.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
"Also you and your progressive friends define lies very differently than conservatives." - FreeTard

Yes. We seem to. To me a lie is a statement that is factually untrue told by a person who knows it is factually untrue.

You have time and again shown that to a Conservative a lie is any untruth that they imagine that a progressive might say, even though they don't say it.

And of course, to a Conservative the truth is defined as any lie they wish to tell.

Where are those WMD again Tard Boy?
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
"I, unlike many progressives such as VD, do find it objectionable that a man deliberately exposes himself infront of 6 year old girls in a womans change." - FreeTard

Suddenly FreeTard isn't interested in Freedom any more, now that the world doesn't mesh with his personal tastes.

What's the matter FreeTard? Isn't that pre-op Transsexual free to change his freedom clothes in that woman's freedom dressing room where everyone is free to do the same thing, free from Da Evils Gubderment stealing their freedom and poisoning their precious bodily fluids?

Poor FreeTard. He just really hates freedom.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2012
"Progressives, Muslim extremists, and pedophiles groups seem to have a thing for young boys and girls" - FreeTard

Don't forget Catholic Priests and all those pedophile Republicans on the list I posted earlier.

And of course we can't forget all those polygamist Christian sects that have been caught "marrying" multiple underage girls to old men. For procreation only of course.

What is it with this Christian God anyhow? How come so many of his books were written by men who had underage wives? The Christian God himself is a pedophile, and knocked up Mary before she was 18, and without her permission.

Filthy bugger.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 02, 2012
"so if the allegations against Eric Bodenweiser are true, you can vote for him." - FreeTard

That TeaBagging Republican will be spending some quality time in America's gulag system, along with 3 million other Americans.

Republicans spend way too much time worrying about what other people's genitals are doing. In the case of Conservative TeaBagger, Bodenweiser his special fixation was with a young boy's genitals.
Caliban
2 / 5 (8) Nov 03, 2012
VD, you show the difference between Conservative and the Progressive nut jobs. If a conservative does something bad, they resign or are forced to resign. If a progressive rapes ie. Bill Clinton and a long list of others, they are celebrated and made into heros.

[...] If you intentionally mislead that is a lie, ie. Obama saying Bengahzi was a spontanious riot. If someone mispeaks, ie. Obama saying there are 57 states in the US, then I don't consider that a lie.

I, unlike many progressives such as VD, do find it objectionable that a man deliberately exposes himself infront of 6 year old girls in a womans change. Anyone who excuses that, based on any reasoning is sexually deranged as well.

Progressives, Muslim extremists, and pedophiles groups seem to have a thing for young boys and girls, so if the allegations against Eric Bodenweiser are true, you can vote for him.


Jeezuz, freithinking--

Get a hanky and wipe the foam off your snout

Or better still --take your own advice.

VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 03, 2012
The rabid hate that FreeTard expresses for progress, logic, freedom, and reason all come from the same source. Faux News and a network of Consrevative blogs and media aggregation sites that manufacture false news or exaggerate non-news stories for the express purpose of fomenting Republican hate.

We saw this during the Clinton Administration where Conservatives set up an entire newspaper "The American Spectator" to slander the Clintons.

That "newspaper" ran story after story about how Hillary Clinton was behind the "murder" of Vince Foster, and how Bill Clinton had ordered the "murder" of the Whacko's of Wacko, and how they were plotting with evil New World Order forces to take away the guns of gun toating Republicans, install martial law, and put the Republican population in Death Camps, with the aid of U.N. military forces.

The American Spectator, stopped publication just a few days after Clinton had left office.

Today, Faux news, the Drudge Report, and others feed Cont.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 03, 2012
Cont... feed brain dead Conservatives with the same outright lies and mindless drivel that the American Spectator did 20 years ago.

FreeTard is one of a new crop of freedom hating fascist wannabe's who are falling for the same filth from the same propaganda machine.

FreeTard and the other Freedom hating Tards, demand freedom, but only the kind of freedom that fits their Conservative Ideology.

Abortion, The universal declaration of human rights, Gender Preference, Gay Marriage, etc. These are all Freedoms that Freedom loving FreeTards insist must be denied to a free people.

Invariably, those who whine the loudest about freedom are those who are the greatest enemies of Liberty.
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (14) Nov 03, 2012
Perverts will be allowed to expose themselves to young girls, then progressives will appologize to the pervert if HIS feelings are hurt.
Since you mention perverts here is one of your "Family Values" (phrase coined by Hitler) Eric Bodenweiser caught yesterday frolicking naked with hundreds of children and a 10yo boy: http://www.back2s...boy.html
-koch

While Eric Bodenweiser is, or was associated with the state of Delaware's "Family Policy Council", it has been a long known fact that most organizations such as FPC do not delve into a person's sexual orientation and welcome people from all walks of life…queers included. Many homosexuals also gravitate toward the young and innocent, although the vast majority prefer adult gays and lesbians. The gay disease afflicts Democrats/Liberals/Socialists as well. Senator Barney Frank is one good example. (contd)
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (15) Nov 03, 2012
Perhaps such organizations should begin remediating their policy of allowing people to join the org without vetting them first as to sexual preferences and any other potentially twisted and deviant behavior, especially as regards children and youth. Their lust for children is not merely unconscionable, it is monstrous, and the only punishment that fits the crime other than death, is castration.

People of that low caliber tend to join orgs such as Boy Scouts and the military where they can be in close proximity to their prey. Apparently, VD is not aware that his and kochevnik's moral support for the Queer Nation encourages the LGBT to indulge their deviant appetites for children also. Pedophiles are not limited to one political party or another. You should have learned by now that these deviants could be your neighbor or a member of your own family. They hide behind legitimate facades to prevent their being found out. BTW, it's been said that Obama has had some homosexual experience.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 03, 2012
@VD
Freethinking is one of a new crop of freedom hating fascist wannabe's who are falling for the same filth from the same propaganda machine.


Freedom hating fascist?? VD...you are insane.

Freethinking and the other Freedom hating Tards, demand freedom, but only the kind of freedom that fits their Conservative Ideology.


There is only ONE ideology that is the legitimate one, and YOU are dead set against it.

Abortion, The universal declaration of human rights, Gender Preference, Gay Marriage, etc. These are all Freedoms that Freedom loving FreeTards insist must be denied to a free people.


Anyone who wants an abortion; that's fine. I just don't want to be taxed to pay for it.
Universal human rights? Tell that to Al Quada and other Jihadists;
Gay marriage? Big foofer like two nuts or two bolts; a piece of paper doesn't make them married, but it works financially; No American citizen is being denied their civil rights. Stop making up lies, VD.

freethinking
3.3 / 5 (12) Nov 04, 2012
VD's medicine probably needs adjusting based on his rants.

But it is insightful that VD along with many other Progressives thinks it is now a right to be a pedophile or a rapist as long as the rapist, pedophile, or any other pervert is a progressive.

To a progressive, Obama (according to his own book) is allowed to lie, take cocaine, abuse women, be racist, have mentors who are terrorists and all is ok. He can abandon people to die, then have his vice president make crude comments to their fathers.
freethinking
3.3 / 5 (12) Nov 04, 2012
Looks like VD will now have to hate Obama as Obama now is touting his Christian Faith.

http://www.thebla...-values/

Oh wait, VD and other progressives believe Obama is lying about being a christian and is just saying he is christian to get dumb ignorant christians to vote for him.

FrankHerbert
2.3 / 5 (12) Nov 04, 2012
dumb ignorant christians


Hey, you said three words I can agree with!
freethinking
3.2 / 5 (11) Nov 04, 2012
FH, I like that you agree that you must be dumb to vote for Obama!
URaTard
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 05, 2012
Ah yes...dumb ignorant Progressives will go to their voting place tomorrow and attempt to keep their hero, Barack Hussein Obama ben Ghazi in the White House so that Barack can continue his plans of "more versatility" after the election. Unfortunately, among that number of Progressive/Liberal/Socialist imbeciles will be a few Christians who may have been led by all the Socialist hype to believe that their Social Security and Medicare will be taken away if they don't vote for Obama. Feeble minds can be found in some Republicans who should know better but are too emotional as to their Social Security checks which they have paid into for most of their lives. But the greatest majority of feeble mindedness is found in Democrats who voted for Obama and will vote for him again. Feeble mindedness is also found in most of mainstream media aka MSM. The MSM attempts to pass on their lies to those gullible Democrats and Republicans who believe such tripe. Socialist educators hav done their job well
ValeriaT
3 / 5 (6) Nov 05, 2012
New Study Reveals the Brain Differences Between Republicans and DemocratsDemocrats and Republicans process social connectedness in a fundamentally different manner...
URaTard
2 / 5 (12) Nov 05, 2012
And once again..no, I am NOT ObamaSucks, to anyone trying to pin that on me. He and I work in the same engineering department, that is all.

Truth is: Romney/Ryan have never had any intention of parting Americans from their Social Security and/or Medicare. It would not be possible in any case. Those two social entitlements are too ingrained in the American system and cannot be extricated from that system until and unless only approximately 25% or less of Americans are working and paying taxes, as well as paying into S.S. and Medicare for themselves while the greater majority of retired Americans are receiving their monthly checks from S.S. and receiving healthcare entitlements from Medicare. When and IF that happens, the balance will be tilted toward an unsustainable and problematic downturn from those providing the money to those recipients of S.S. and MC. Romney/Ryan will try to improve the odds by encouraging private life savings and investments to offset that future problem.
URaTard
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 05, 2012
Romney/Ryan will also encourage new entrepreneurship to offset the loss of businesses who went overseas and refuse to come home. It is a matter of fact that those businesses are mostly gone for good and very few, if any, will be coming back.
It is for these reasons that Romney/Ryan will try to resolve the problems of excessive rules and regulations geared toward the private sector by overt antibusiness legislation. They also will not be intimidated by union thugs and will reverse Obama's cancellation of the seek-work requirement for all welfare money recipients.
It is time for common sense, logic and reason to return to our government. Obama's policies are unsustainable and dangerous in a lot of ways. Vote for Romney/Ryan tomorrow and don't believe the lies told by unAmericans and foreigners who want America to fail. This is our last chance.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 05, 2012
While Eric Bodenweiser is, or was associated with the state of Delaware's "Family Policy Council", it has been a long known fact that most organizations such as FPC do not delve into a person's sexual orientation and welcome people from all walks of life…queers included.
Yes without angry homophobes and pederasts the GOP base would disappear!

Romney policies moreover made massive growth in food stamps. "Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg."
ryggesogn2
3.4 / 5 (17) Nov 05, 2012
500 real leaders do not agree:

http://www.washin...-romney/
kochevnik
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 05, 2012
500 real leaders do not agree:
So the warmongers support collectivist government actions and you back them because you are an oxymoron too dumb to know itself.

Question for freethinker: As a pro-life proponent will you sign an affidavit agreeing to either raise one of these children born of rape/incest or pay an additional tax to support them?
FrankHerbert
2 / 5 (13) Nov 05, 2012
And once again..no, I am NOT ObamaSucks, to anyone trying to pin that on me. He and I work in the same engineering department, that is all.


HAHA Pirouette must be the worst puppet master to ever post here.
freethinking
3.3 / 5 (12) Nov 05, 2012
Koch, yes I would. BTW, I personally know of a family (white with a child) where the wife was forceably raped by a black man (who was caught) and became pregnant. They KEPT the baby girl who is now 10 years old. So now this family has a 12 year old boy, and a bi-racial 10 year old girl.

Koch, I would like you to write a letter to this girl saying if it were up to you, you would wish her dead because of the sins of her father. Please tell her, you would have had her killed.

BTW, I also know of a family who has Downs, do you want to go to him and say, you are worthless and I would have killed you?

Hard to say a child is worthless when you look into their eye, right? Actually, I think you would!
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (11) Nov 05, 2012
Koch, I would like you to write a letter to this girl saying if it were up to you, you would wish her dead because of the sins of her father. Please tell her, you would have had her killed.


That's a moot point. If the child were aborted, the child would have never developed a consciousness to care whether it were dead or not. No one is saying 10 year olds should be killed if they were conceived by rape. The matter is obviously settled by the time the child is born, perhaps sometime earlier.

Hard to say a child is worthless when you look into their eye, right? Actually, I think you would!


If you abort it early enough there are no eyes to look into.

Anyway, it should be the mother's choice, not the government's. I thought you wanted small government? That's quite the bureaucracy you wish to set up.
freethinking
3.3 / 5 (12) Nov 05, 2012
FH, you are a progressive hypocrite.

Can't say the truth to this girl can you? All you need to say is If it were up to me, I would have killed you before you were born.
ValeriaT
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 05, 2012
in plain terms the officers, who paid for the ad themselves, said they support Mr. Romney: "We, the undersigned, proudly support Governor Mitt Romney as our nation's next president and commander-in-chief."
This is rather an argument not to vote for Romney. If unsure about political candidates, try to check the people, who are supporting them. Personally I don't see a big difference between governmental spending of public money in adventurous Medicare program and governmental spending of public money in adventurous wars with Iran and Afghanistan. Both they're rising the role of government, the expenditure of tax payers money in suspicious programs where the public feedback is missing and they're increasing the governmental debt. Is it really so big difference for average voters? Those who are voting for Mr. Romney are just calling for the return at the end of Bush period, when financial crisis just escalated because of cost of Iraq war. Why to repeat the very same mistake again?
URaTard
2.2 / 5 (13) Nov 05, 2012
And once again..no, I am NOT ObamaSucks, to anyone trying to pin that on me. He and I work in the same engineering department, that is all.


HAHA Pirouette must be the worst puppet master to ever post here.
-FukHerbert

Whoever Pirouette is, he can't be as good a sockpuppetmaster as TheGhostofOtto1923. We all recognize that Otto uses lots of his sockpuppets every time he wants to avoid any further interaction with others, especially when things are going bad for him, and Otto attempts to garner any and all favorable votes for himself. We also know that FrankHerbert is one of Otto's many sock puppets who is meant to discourage some from commenting by using ad hominem attacks.

Otto finds it hard to face the music when his ideas are wrong and stupid, so he removes all doubt of his imbecilic stupidity by morphing into one or more of his alter egos, like FukHerbert. He also likes to downvote people with another of his sockpuppets, "lite". Welcome back, Otto...hahahahaaahah
URaTard
2.2 / 5 (13) Nov 05, 2012
This is rather an argument not to vote for Romney. If unsure about political candidates, try to check the people, who are supporting them. Personally I don't see a big difference between governmental spending of public money in adventurous Medicare program and governmental spending of public money in adventurous wars with Iran and Afghanistan. Both they're rising the role of government, the expenditure of tax payers money in suspicious programs where the public feedback is missing and they're increasing the governmental debt. Is it really so big difference for average voters? Those who are voting for Mr. Romney are just calling for the return at the end of Bush period, when financial crisis just escalated because of cost of Iraq war. Why to repeat the very same mistake
-ValT

We are not at war with Iran, have you noticed? Medicare is not an adventurous program, and it was started by Democrats. We intend to make government smaller than it is now. Obama increased the debt
ValeriaT
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 05, 2012
We are not at war with Iran, have you noticed?
Just thanks to Obama. Mitt Romney already declared, he could wage war on Iran without Congress' approval. Medicare is actually a former Romney's program for Massachusetts. Obama increased the debt just with sanitizing the economical disaster after Bush government - Bush would be forced to do the very same.
We intend to make government smaller than it is now.
So you shouldn't vote for republicans, who are planning the increasing of expenditures for military programs. The small government actually means a cheap government.
ryggesogn2
3.2 / 5 (20) Nov 05, 2012
Iran declared war on the USA in 1979 by invading US territory and holding US citizens hostage.
And for the record, the Korean War has not ended.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (30) Nov 05, 2012
Can't say the truth to this girl can you? All you need to say is If it were up to me, I would have killed you before you were born.
Ah. FT paraphrases god when he said 'I knew you before you were born.' Paraphrasing god adds no validity to your argument.
We also know that FrankHerbert is one of Otto's many sock puppets who is meant to discourage some from commenting by using ad hominem attacks.
Hello freak. By 'we' do you mean all the many shards of your schizoid personality, or are you referring to your porcelain pig collection? Or perhaps your suckpuppet menagerie? See, we (the physorg community) can see that they're all you even if this is not apparent to yourself.

Note how obamasucks and uratard are equally skilled at greying out a whole post. This is a rare talent indeed.
Welcome back, Otto...hahahahaaahah
Otto never left and neither did you, only you keep switching sickpuppets to try to obscure your scatological legacy. It's not working you freak.
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Nov 06, 2012
Can't say the truth to this girl can you? All you need to say is If it were up to me, I would have killed you before you were born.
Wow freetinker. I didn't know you owned a time machine!

Since you cherish all life so much, why are you still eating meat?
freethinking
3.2 / 5 (13) Nov 06, 2012
Koch you are a Progressive hypocrite coward. If you use the rape abortion argument, yet you won't say to the girl the truth of your belief. You think and believe that this girl is of less value because her father was a rapist and if it were up to you, you would have killed her.

The truth is Progressives such as yourself and Obama believe in and defend any abortions including late term abortions.

Late term abortion, for anyone who doesn't know, is where a living baby is half born, then while the living baby is in the hands of the abortionist, the abortionists stabs a sizzor into the skull and brain of the child. I don't know how any human can hold a living baby and kill it.

Koch do you believe, like Obama, that late term abortion is OK?

VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 06, 2012
Odd. Democrats support the mothers right to choose an abortion as she sees fit up to around 4 months and after that only if it is deemed medically necessary.

"All you need to say is If it were up to me, I would have killed you before you were born. " - FreeTard

FreeTard twists that support for abortion to a claim that all children conceived from rape must be aborted under Liberal Doctrine.

I have never encountered a Conservative who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.

FreeTard is no exception.
URaTard
2.2 / 5 (17) Nov 06, 2012
The second thing that FrankFukHerbert/TheGhostofOtto1923 says on this page was "Pirouette.....worst puppetmaster...."

Obamasucks started commenting with his primary name on this site shortly after Physorg.com began. He has never said what his primary name is although we work in the same engineering department. He has said that he only has 2 names on Phys.org and that makes sense, given that his job doesn't afford him a lot of spare time to comment. That is what he told me and I believe him. This means that Obamasucks only has 2 user names, and I only have this one user name. I down vote those comments with a one if I feel it's rightfully deserved.
Both of us have observed TheGhostofOtto1923 morphing into the names TheGhostofOtto1932, FrankHerbert, CardacianNeverid, Otto1923, Otto1882, Otto1932, soulmanotto, otto_the_magnificent, otthole, Empire_man_otto, ottoisasciencegroupie, ottoyanksinamirror, OttotheMasterbator, dumdogslickthemselves, PaulieMac, diaper_dog_dick, dick_loves_otto,
kochevnik
2 / 5 (8) Nov 06, 2012
Koch you are a Progressive hypocrite coward. If you use the rape abortion argument, yet you won't say to the girl the truth of your belief.
Yes cause and effect can be a bitch.
You think and believe that this girl is of less value because her father was a rapist and if it were up to you, you would have killed her.
Been hitting the Jesus Juice hard freethinker?
Koch do you believe, like Obama, that late term abortion is OK?
There can never be too many abortions. Indeed you're exhibit A on that detail. BTW you never answered my question are you willing to raise all of these zygotes to 18years and beyond yourself? If so you should change parties because your GOP wants them to die prostituting themselves on the streets or die in some war for oil.

You WANT lots of children because it's the best way to make more brainwashed victims reciting your mantras. Reason kills your silly cult it's necessary to instate the brain damage before the lid learns you're retarded.
URaTard
1.9 / 5 (17) Nov 06, 2012
otto_tomato, TheGhostofJigga TheGhostofAlizee, TheGhostofZephir, TheGhostofXaero, TheGhostofMustal, (also many other Ghostof....), Moebius, thermodynamics, postericusneticus, etc. etc. etc.
These are ALL sockpuppets of TheGhostofOtto1923, which he obviously had hoped that nobody would notice and that he could get away with his deceptions against other legitimate commenters.
Estevan57 and Mike_Massen have also been falsely accused by TheGhostofOtto1923 and his sockpuppet, FrankHerbert, et al.
It seems that TheGhostofOtto1923 is a very insecure person with mental problems who wishes to appear much more intelligent and knowledgeable than he really is. Employing numerous sock puppets as his attack dogs is a sign of insecurity. He believes that he is doing Physorg a favor by doing this, but he is greatly mistaken and only appears stupid. He never really says anything of great relevance in his comments, and intelligent people have noticed it.
freethinking
3 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2012
Koch, you hatred is really showing. How about this, tell me of ANY pregnant woman who wants to give up her child for adoption and I WILL personally find someone who will love that child as their own.

I find it ironic that progressives are so uncaring and full of hate, yet they accuse others of hate. Someone once said progressivism is a mental disorder, Koch proves it.

Koch, FYI, I have worked (as a volunteer) to help people in jail re-intergrate into society, helped build a drug abuse rehabilitation center with my hands, worked for crisis pregnancy centers, taken care of the dying. I befriended a homosexual at a very progressive workplace and treated him as a brother, while the other open minded progressives ignored him. (Yes he knew I was a evangelical Christian, funny thing about progressives, they say one thing, yet live another), I've even taken care of dying people.

So while you hate, I have been helping the living. If everyone was like you, the world would be Hell.
Caliban
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 06, 2012
So while you hate, I have been helping the living. If everyone was like you, the world would be Hell.


Freithinking,

We are all well aware that the only person you feel obligated to help in this world is yourself. If any one else has obtained anything from you, it wasn't just out of the pure joy or love of duty that you felt in making it available to them.

On the contrary, your comments here make it very clear that the only "hand up" you've offered has been the Hand of Exploitation, and that you got the lion's share of the proceeds out of the "bargain'.

I recommend that you put a plug in that frothing spewhole and consider the contents of your own conscience before saying anything else, as your words here reveal you to clearly be a person ridden by guilt over their actions, who actively seeks to make others responsible for one's own faults and errors by accusing others of those behaviors. Clinically termed "Projection", your Classic Catholic Guilt is nearly sociopathy.

VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 06, 2012
America declared war on Iran though the CIA backed overthrow of the Iranian leadership and the establishment of an American Puppet government run by the Murderous Shaw of Iran, who employed with the aid of the U.S. his SAVAK to murder and oppress his opponents.

"Iran declared war on the USA in 1979 by invading US territory and holding US citizens hostage." - RyggTard

It is interesting that Randites like RyggTard so strongly support murderous regimes like that of the Shaw of Iran.

RyggTard's own hero, Ayn Rand, is on record as referring to Arabs as "dirty animals" who do not own the oil under their own land, and that it belongs to the Corporations developing it.

An interesting comment coming from someone who claimed to be a supporter of property rights.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 06, 2012
Ah. This explains FreeTard's rabid mouth frothing, public display of hate, and his reliance on magical thinking.

"I was a evangelical Christian" - FreeTard

Timothy McVeigh was a good Christian Patriot as well when he murdered all those men, women and children in Oklahoma City.
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 06, 2012
Sounds gruesome of course. But then so are all manner of birth defects.

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http://medchrome....haly.jpg

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http://www.foxriv...nge4.jpg

http://www.docume...62497944

http://www.docume...62497973

"Late term abortion, for anyone who doesn't know, is where a living baby is half born, then while the living baby is in the hands of the abortionist, the abortionists stabs a sizzor into the skull and brain of the child." - FreeTard
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 06, 2012
Good Christian Patriots like FreeTard want to force the mothers of the these "children" to carry them full term, and watch them die.

http://www.docume...cs-3.jpg

http://www.docume...c389.jpg

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http://www.docume...haly.jpg

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VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 06, 2012
Isn't that what all good Christian Patiots say during their gun blessing rituals?

"If it were up to me, I would have killed you before you were born. " - FreeTard
URaTard
2.1 / 5 (15) Nov 06, 2012
Ah. This explains FreeTard's rabid mouth frothing, public display of hate, and his reliance on magical thinking.

"I was a evangelical Christian" - FreeTard

Timothy McVeigh was a good Christian Patriot as well when he murdered all those men, women and children in Oklahoma City.
- VD

I've been reading your poisonous for years now and you are always wrong. McVeigh may have been raised in the Christian faith, but he was NEVER a patriot. He was a murderer and a nutcase, that is all. He didn't give a damn about America. He was an imposter who pretended he had a concern for the country of his birth.

There are many like that and they all have a screwed up idea of what the U.S. should be like....similar to Obama's screwed up ideology.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (29) Nov 06, 2012
These are ALL sockpuppets of TheGhostofOtto1923
Thats highly improbable dont you think? Why would I be gang-down-rating myself?
It seems that TheGhostofOtto1923 is a very insecure person with mental problems who wishes to appear much more intelligent and knowledgeable than he really is. Employing numerous sock puppets as his attack dogs is a sign of insecurity. He believes that he is doing Physorg a favor by doing this, but he is greatly mistaken and only appears stupid. He never really says anything of great relevance in his comments
Funny, pirouette used to go off on these same sorts of rants in response to justifiable criticism. For that matter so did ritchieguy. As did russkiye, and pussytard, and obamasucks... and now you.
and intelligent people have noticed it
-and also ignorant dumbasses like yourself.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (27) Nov 06, 2012
I find it ironic that progressives are so uncaring and full of hate, yet they accuse others of hate.
Yeah as we know, xians hate with love. Like their god who loves everybody with infinite affection, but will condemn you to everlasting torment in HELL if you dont acknowledge him as your lord and master. But he will still love you, even as you burn.

How could xians hate anybody if they know their god will willfully do this to them? Hence that half-pity, half-smirk, half-smile on their pasty faces.

So FT werent you the one who predicted that the elections would be cancelled? What happened - the apocalypse get voted down in ohio? So sorry - jesus is late once again. Not very good with promises is he?
VendicarD
2 / 5 (4) Nov 06, 2012
http://www.youtub...Gd74DrBM

Vote Fraud. Thy party is Republican.
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 06, 2012
At 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, Americans were stunned by the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. The blast killed 168 people and injured approximately 600 others. When Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were arrested as suspects, word quickly spread of their involvement in the patriot movement, a loose network of five to twelve million people.1 It is one of the most diverse coalitions America has ever seen.

Cont...
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 06, 2012
On the movement's moderate side are conservative Christians opposed to the liberal establishment. More radical participants include both Christians and non-Christians who deny their U.S. citizenship, drive without licenses, and refuse to pay income taxes in an effort to live outside "the system." Interspersed among these two groups are the most dangerous patriots: Klansmen, neo-Nazis, and Christian Identity believers (i.e., white supremacists who blend pseudo-Christian beliefs with racism and anti-Semitism).

http://www.equip....ovement/
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2012
It takes all kinds, VD...you, Caliban, kochevnik and Blotto are very good examples. Your hatred of Christians is comparable to the hate that the KKK had for Blacks in the South.
Antisemitism you say? That sounds like kochevnik spouting off about Jewish banksters, etc. ad nauseum. And what about Blotto's hatred of Christians and constantly quoting the Jewish bible? I suspect that Blotto is really a Jew and is filled with self-hatred...which is the reason for his many sockpuppets. He's trying to get away from himself. LOL
The four of you are poisoned with hate, and that hate is affecting your mind in many ways. Congrats
ryggesogn2
3.2 / 5 (16) Nov 06, 2012
We are all well aware that the only person you feel obligated to help in this world is yourself.

Cali, you and your fellow socialist feel 'obligated' to help yourself by stealing other people's money.
Why does it make YOU feel good by plundering the wealth of others? Does it assuage any guilt by redistributing to those you deem worthy of your 'generosity'?
obama_socks
2 / 5 (12) Nov 06, 2012
BTW--What is it with these friggin foreigners in this site thinking they know what's best for Americans and our country? Reading all the stupid arguments in this thread attacking Romney, Ryan and Capitalism and arguing for another 4 years of Obama the morally bankrupt lying murdering Kenyan Socialist traitor and his extravagant social-climber of a wife, and I want to puke all over TheGhostofOtto1923. You people want Socialism? Do it in your OWN country, and if you live in the U.S., just like I said earlier, GET THE HELL OUT.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (29) Nov 06, 2012
It takes all kinds, VD...you, Caliban, kochevnik and Blotto are very good examples. Your hatred of Christians is comparable to the hate that the KKK had for Blacks in the South.
Haha thats funny. The kkk was/is officially a xian terrorist group. Which is why they burn crosses on the lawns of people YOU think oppress themselves. You freak.
VendicarD
3.3 / 5 (7) Nov 06, 2012
You do realize, don't you, that the KKK was a christian terrorist group.

"Your hatred of Christians is comparable to the hate that the KKK had for Blacks in the South." - ObamaSox

You are one kookie KookTard.
FrankHerbert
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 06, 2012
Duh he's a better leader. He won. :)
VendicarD
3 / 5 (6) Nov 07, 2012
I wasn't aware that saving America from 30 years of a Grand Economic depression was treason.

"Obama the morally bankrupt lying murdering Kenyan Socialist traitor" - ObamaSox

Perhaps you can explain to us from the KookTard position, why you believe this to be so.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2012
Cali, you and your fellow socialist feel 'obligated' to help yourself by stealing other people's money.
Why does it make YOU feel good by plundering the wealth of others? Does it assuage any guilt by redistributing to those you deem worthy of your 'generosity'?
By 'people' you mean state sanctioned corporations? Corporations that only exist because of government force of law ryggie?
obama_socks
2 / 5 (16) Nov 07, 2012
It takes all kinds, VD...you, Caliban, kochevnik and Blotto are very good examples. Your hatred of Christians is comparable to the hate that the KKK had for Blacks in the South.
Haha thats funny. The kkk was/is officially a xian terrorist group. Which is why they burn crosses on the lawns of people YOU think oppress themselves. You freak.
-Blotto

Yes, I do agree that Blotto is a freak. Blotto has no sense of time/space. Freaky Blotto says that the KKK still burns crosses on peoples' lawns. Actually, there is no such thing as a "Christian terrorist group". The KKK was a politically-motivated group whose goal was to prevent Blacks from voting. They were a Democrat terrorist group - nothing to do with religion.

Undoubtedly, Blotto is off his meds again. He believes that Blacks are incapable of oppressing themselves...so that's why they use drugs like crack cocaine and others to get high, knock up their women and don't bother to marry them; single moms popping out babies
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (13) Nov 07, 2012
from several different boyfriends; refuse to be educated in school; refuse to get a job; depend on welfare handout checks, beat up Whites because they hate White people.
Oh yes....Blacks never oppress themselves according to Blotto the Jew...LOL
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2012
Yes, I do agree that Blotto is a freak. Blotto has no sense of time/space. Freaky Blotto says that the KKK still burns crosses on peoples' lawns. Actually, there is no such thing as a "Christian terrorist group". The KKK was a politically-motivated group whose goal was to prevent Blacks from voting. They were a Democrat terrorist group - nothing to do with religion.
Actually the KKK is a bunch of Jewish liberals out to make catholics look bad. Tear off the hoodies and you will see all the yakimas.

Glad you're down with the IRA, obama-sockie. They always need a few more good men like you.
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (15) Nov 07, 2012
Blotto is obviously a Jew-hating Jew. Blotto rattles off whole passages from the Jewish bible even in threads whose topic has nothing to do with religion at all. Many are those who wonder at his obsession with religion...and are put off by it...and have come to the determination that Blotto hates Christianity because it is derived from Judaism.
Blotto is evidently very frightened by religion as though its an entity about to jump on him. Blotto's sockpuppets comfort him. He feels safer when he has morphed into another one of them because he believes that nobody knows his sockpuppet is really him in disguise.
obama_socks
2 / 5 (16) Nov 07, 2012
I wasn't aware that saving America from 30 years of a Grand Economic depression was treason.

"Obama the morally bankrupt lying murdering Kenyan Socialist traitor" - ObamaSox

Perhaps you can explain to us from the KookTard position, why you believe this to be so.
VDturd

OK VD...I will try to explain it from your KookTard position. You seem to believe that Obama saved the U.S. from 30 yrs of depression. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The downturn began on Bill Clinton's watch when the tech bubble burst and the stock market spiraled downward RIGHT AT THE END OF CLINTON'S PRESIDENCY. So when GWBush won the election, HE inherited the bad economy just as it was beginning. Some people blame Bush for that bad economy, but HE inherited it from Clinton, just as Obama inherited it from Bush.
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (15) Nov 07, 2012
Yes, I do agree that Blotto is a freak. Blotto has no sense of time/space. Freaky Blotto says that the KKK still burns crosses on peoples' lawns. Actually, there is no such thing as a "Christian terrorist group". The KKK was a politically-motivated group whose goal was to prevent Blacks from voting. They were a Democrat terrorist group - nothing to do with religion.
Actually the KKK is a bunch of Jewish liberals out to make catholics look bad. Tear off the hoodies and you will see all the yakimas.

Glad you're down with the IRA, obama-sockie. They always need a few more good men like you.
-Koch

hahahahoho thanks for the laugh, koch..I needed that after a very depressing news that half of my country are Liberal imbeciles dying to be exploited by Socialists.
Wow...I was totally unaware that Jews were welcome in the KKK. That's a new one on me. ;)
They wear yakimas? Somehow I thought Yakima was in Washington state. well gollygee, kochnik
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2012
Incidentally, I'm German...so I would never qualify for the IRA. Were you hoping to sponsor me as a new member? Is your chapter of the IRA located in Dublin by any chance?
Caliban
1.7 / 5 (6) Nov 07, 2012
I wasn't aware that saving America from 30 years of a Grand Economic depression was treason.

"Obama the morally bankrupt lying murdering Kenyan Socialist traitor" - ObamaSox

Perhaps you can explain to us from the KookTard position, why you believe this to be so. -VDturd


OK VD...I will try to explain it from your KookTard position.


Don't even bother to try, moron.

You couldn't manage to peel your way out of a spent condom.

Much less explain your way through the collapse of Global Gangster Capitalism.

kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
Incidentally, I'm German...so I would never qualify for the IRA. Were you hoping to sponsor me as a new member? Is your chapter of the IRA located in Dublin by any chance?
Yes Dublin, Russia
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 07, 2012
Well well...Caliban has returned to the scene of the crime, so to speak. Yes, Caliban IS a moron, if he wasn't, he would have noticed that I already explained it to VD from his kooktard position.

Wait...Global Gangster Capitalism? When did THAT come about? Possibly it came about through the financial manipulations of the European Jew named....oh, you know...he runs Media Matters and has bankrupted whole countries.
Now What the hell is the name of that old coot? He holds European rights to Gangster Capitalism
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2012
Incidentally, I'm German...so I would never qualify for the IRA. Were you hoping to sponsor me as a new member? Is your chapter of the IRA located in Dublin by any chance?
Yes Dublin, Russia
-koch

LOL....I was going to say Belfast, then changed it to Dublin. Thanks koch...another laugh

Actually, it is possible I might have an Irish ancestor or three. All my German ancestors arrived in America in the late 1600s....so you see, my country is very special to me. Which is why I love our Constitution also. You do understand, don't you?
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (15) Nov 07, 2012
@kochevnk
Your country's submarines and bombers are making dangerous forays into or close to U.S. territorial waters and airspace, particularly in regard to our military bases. That's making many of us nervous and we will react if provoked. Up till recently, our military with Obama as C in C has made excuses for these close incursions. We do hope that your leader Vladimir has the good sense to avoid any provocation, Russkie. Do you have any opinion on this?

http://freebeacon...t-coast/

This is, no doubt, one of the most important reasons why Romney/Ryan would have increased our military budget, and an excellent reason it is. But Obama is hell bent on removing the U.S. as a world power with a formidable military in the next 12 years of his presidency. Why, your armies could walk right in and........
And did you know that because of Obama's out of control spending, a baby born today will grow up owing approx. $218,000 USD right off the bat even before he gets a job?
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (10) Nov 07, 2012
Your tears are so delicious Pirouette. Please keep them coming.
ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (17) Nov 07, 2012
Duh he's a better leader. He won. :)

No, he was able to convince 'liberal' single women he would be their sugar daddy and take care of them.
Sounds more like a pimp.
Isn't' that what motivates most 'liberals', to be taken care of?
We see how violent the dependent class gets in Europe when their masters run out of money.
Real leaders are like good parents. They prepare those they are leading to be independent and eventually become leaders themselves.
kochevnik
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2012
Duh he's a better leader. He won. :)

No, he was able to convince 'liberal' single women he would be their sugar daddy and take care of them.
Sounds more like a pimp.
Isn't that what libertarians want 15yo girls to do? Sell their bodies to meet market demands? After all, they're not state-sanctioned corporations that corporate-welfare libertarians favor.
FrankHerbert
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2012
Obama's my pimp mac sugar daddy.
Caliban
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
Duh he's a better leader. He won. :)

No, he was able to convince 'liberal' single women he would be their sugar daddy and take care of them.
Sounds more like a pimp.
Isn't' that what motivates most 'liberals', to be taken care of?
We see how violent the dependent class gets in Europe when their masters run out of money.
Real leaders are like good parents. They prepare those they are leading to be independent and eventually become leaders themselves.


Swenson, you idiot.

Thousands upon thousands of women of all political persuasions voted for Obama, and Democrat/Liberal/Progressive candidates to preserve access healthcare(including reproductive and other female specific medicine), CHOICE, for the criminalization of sexual violence/abuse and the likelihood of EQUAL PAY.

To name a few.

And don't forget the Hispanic vote, you squash.

ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (18) Nov 07, 2012
Cali, listen to the exit polls. A large majority of young single women voted for their sugar daddy promising them free contraception.
Recall the law student Sandra Fluke who complained about not being able to afford birth control.
And then the lame spot about 'doing it the first time' with Obama? Isn't that how pimps operate?
And of course illegals and Latinos would vote for the racist Obama. After all, their main lobbying group is La Raza, 'The Race'.
And they all want free food, free housing, free....That's what drug dealers do is it not? Get their 'customers' hooked and then they own them?
That is exactly what socialism does. And we are witnessing the withdrawal symptoms in Greece right now.
Socialism always fails because you run out of OPM.
So many socialist here claim to support science and nature yet they completely disregard natural laws when applied to socialism. Guess they think they can be god.
FrankHerbert
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2012
I voted for Obama because I'm addicted to his sugary pimp wares.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2012
Cali, listen to the exit polls. A large majority of young single women voted for their sugar daddy promising them free contraception.
Ryggie you need to work on your pitch about raping them and leaving them for dead in a ditch as a "god-given rape." Tell them Henry Aldridge says "The facts show that people who are raped, who are truly raped, the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work, and they don't get pregnant." You know you can do it, playa.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (18) Nov 07, 2012
"Then, in typically Obama-like cynical fashion, she explained how to lure white voters to her side even while crying racism: "Don't make the mistake of telling them they're in the problem. It's emotional connection, not rational connection that we need … Explain how each racial group is affected (recognize the unique pain of each group), but start with people who are White … then raise racial disparities." The line she offered to bait whites into joining her own inherently racist cause? "Homeownership is the American Dream. It hurts the same to lose your home if you're White, Asian, Latino or Black."

After Obama was elected on the pretense that he was a uniter, he and his minions see opportunities in constantly dividing Americans by race, creed or color and then appealing to them separately. "
http://www.breitb...g-racism

Looks like this was bad advice for House democrats. They lost big.
FrankHerbert
2.3 / 5 (12) Nov 07, 2012
Looks like this was bad advice for House democrats. They lost big.


Right, because a gain is a loss in your reality.
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
15yo, 12, 8, 5, 2yo. It doesn't matter according the the Libertarian Party platform that states that children have the same rights as adults, and since adults have the right to prostitute themselves under the moral rules of Libertarian Commerce, then so too do children.

That is why the Libertarian Party is known as the Child Molester Party.

"Isn't that what libertarians want 15yo girls to do? Sell their bodies to meet market demands?" - kochevnik
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
And of course, according to the Republican, if a woman does get pregnant during rape then

1. She must have loved it.
2. It is part of God's loving plan and she MUST be forced to carry it to full term.

"The facts show that people who are raped, who are truly raped, the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work, and they don't get pregnant." - Kochevnik

Republican Filth.
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
Only on Planet ConservaTard was free contraception promised.

Here on planet earth, contraception will be paid for through health care insurance premiums.

"Cali, listen to the exit polls. A large majority of young single women voted for their sugar daddy promising them free contraception." - RyggTard

RyggTard's near compete detachment from reality comes from reading too much Libertarian Bullshit, and is the reason why his chosen party had it's backside kicked in last night's presidential election.

VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
It is difficult to recall what never happened.

"Recall the law student Sandra Fluke who complained about not being able to afford birth control." - RyggTard

Slurs only bolster Sandra Fluke's cause

http://www.cnn.co...dex.html

Rush Limbaugh's slander against Fluke is undoubtedly in large part why Republicans lost the election.
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 07, 2012
I've been hearing mindless Libetarians and Randites make that claim for the last 40 years.

"Socialism always fails because you run out of OPM." - RyggTard

Socialist mixed economies are now employed by every nation on earth.

But RyggTard has faith that if he repeats his nonsense for long enough and with enough rapidity, it will eventually be true.

Randism.. The big lie.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2012
Like all those mindless Conservatives echoing that $218,000 Republican talking point, ObamaSox, just doesn't have the brains to check the factoid's validity via a simple divison.

Current Federal Debt, $16.2 E12
U.S. population 350 E6

Per Person National Debt, $46,285

So far Obama has increased the national debt by around $4 trillion mostly spent on Unemployment Insurance, and Welfare to keep millions of Americans from becoming homeless and living in gutters.

So $4 E12/350 E6 = $11,000

Quite a bit of money, but no where near the $218,000 Claimed by dishonest Conservatives like Obama Sox, who actually gets his figure from Faux news. The most corrupt pseudo-news outleg in the world.

"And did you know that because of Obama's out of control spending, a baby born today will grow up owing approx. $218,000 USD right off the bat even before he gets a job?" - ObamaSox
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 07, 2012
"Then, in typically Obama-like cynical fashion, she explained how to lure white voters to her side even while crying racism: "Don't make the mistake of telling them they're in the problem. It's emotional connection, not rational connection that we need …

After Obama was elected on the pretense that he was a uniter, he and his minions see opportunities in constantly dividing Americans by race, creed or color and then appealing to them separately. "
http://www.breitb...g-racism

Looks like this was bad advice for House democrats. They lost big.
-Rygg

I thought this comment from the link was also quite germane to the subject of racism that is rampant in the Democrat Party.
"Democrats are trying to grow their base by getting them "addicted" to taxpayer-funded entitlements. It's an insidious way to enslave people through dependency. A lousy economy actually works in favor of this. (contd)
FrankHerbert
2.3 / 5 (12) Nov 07, 2012
Pirouette, please stop. I'm gorged on your tears.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 07, 2012
(contd)
Create a need through negligence or willful mismanagement of the economy, then provide for that need so people will come to rely on mother government instead of valuing the inherent freedom of independence. As a result, reliance on government gradually becomes the norm, and autonomy a seemingly impractical ideal."

It's been said that in order to enslave a people who were once free, it is important to teach them to hate their freedom by removing their need for independence and self-reliance gradually, without their realizing the gradual transference of their loyalty and love for their country and their liberty, to a fundamental dependence on their new masters for which they will then accept the yoke of slavery gladly.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 07, 2012
Like all those mindless Conservatives echoing that $218,000 Republican talking point, ObamaSox, just doesn't have the brains to check the factoid's validity via a simple divison.

Current Federal Debt, $16.2 E12
U.S. population 350 E6

Per Person National Debt, $46,285

So far Obama has increased the national debt by around $4 trillion mostly spent on Unemployment Insurance, and Welfare to keep millions of Americans from becoming homeless and living in gutters.

So $4 E12/350 E6 = $11,000

Quite a bit of money, but no where near the $218,000 Claimed by dishonest Conservatives like Obama Sox, who actually gets his figure from Faux news. The most corrupt pseudo-news outleg in the world.

"And did you know that because of Obama's out of control spending, a baby born today will grow up owing approx. $218,000 USD right off the bat even before he gets a job?" - ObamaSox
VD

There is a flaw in your math, VD. You don't take into account that in 20 years the kid would owe $218,000
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 07, 2012
I've been hearing mindless Libetarians and Randites make that claim for the last 40 years.

"Socialism always fails because you run out of OPM." - RyggTard

Socialist mixed economies are now employed by every nation on earth
-VD

The truth is that Socialism eventually fails after it's been tried in any nation, because it largely depends on killing the goose (hard-working taxpayers) that lays the golden eggs (federal income taxes) in order to convert those golden eggs into welfare checks and other benefits that go to the goose who refuses to also be a hard-working taxpayer and lay some golden eggs to be self reliant. The Democrat Party relies on Socialism to keep that money flowing into the treasury, without which they would be unable to stay in control of ALL the flock.
Euphemistically or otherwise, that is how Obama intends to maintain control...by enslaving half of the population to keep the other half contented and satisfied.
VD knows it, but likes to argue the point.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 08, 2012
So you believe that in 20 years the U.S. federal debt will be 4 times larger than today or 65 trillion.

"You don't take into account that in 20 years the kid would owe $218,000" - Obama Sox

Do you seriously believe that America could possibly exist as a nation with a debt that high. Interest on the debt alone would be 1.3 trillion per year or more.

Good luck with that Tard Boy.

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (27) Nov 08, 2012
It's been said
-This is a common phrase used by lying scummy trolls who think it helps to substantiate things they pulled out of their asses.

Obamas tenure was extended in part because tech is replacing human jobs at unprecedented rates. This is most evident in countries like Greece where modernization has been retarded most severely, but it is true everywhere.

People are living longer. And even in western countries pops continue to swell due to an influx of refugees from viral religion-poisoned cultures. These exacerbate unemployment. Fox and their minions parrot their 'entitlement' mantras and are oblivious to the FACT that more and more people will never work again, due to tech. And many do not realize that this subset will soon include THEM.

Enterprise does not produce wealth; this is a myth. Money is CREATED out of pure Authority and made available to fund Progress where it is Intended to occur. The king says a new harbor shall be built, and the royal coffers are opened.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (28) Nov 08, 2012
Automated factories building self-driving vehicles. Those factories built by robotic construction machinery. Food grown, harvested, processed, delivered, and sold without human intervention.

Software which writes itself on computers built by automation. Medical diagnoses, treatment, operations, done by robots who will be much BETTER at it than any human. Wholly-automated services including revenue collection, legal representation, investment, TEACHING, engineering design and manufacturing. In only a few gens most professional and entrepreneurial will be done by machines.

Leaders of conservative movements know this and are resisting Progress. They are using religion-doped tea-partiers to do this. Progressives also know this and would provide necessary entitlements, using the kings money, for the disenfranchised because if THEY do not continue to consume the goods and services produced by AI and automation, the system will indeed COLLAPSE. And this is why Obamas tenure was extended.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (28) Nov 08, 2012
As usual conservatives are the older people who do not want change as well as those whose futures depend on things staying the way they are. But change is Inevitable. Economic systems, sociopolitics, and demographics are being reconfigured to FORCE it to happen.

Obsolete cultures never yield willingly and so must be destroyed to allow for Change. Sherman understood this as he carried out his mandate to burn his way to Atlanta. Wars are Agents of Change. This is why Carthage was leveled and the Mediterranean given to Rome.

Conservative extremists must know that they are only setting themselves up for the Fall. All they need to do to realize this is to see what is happening in Greece and throughout the third world. The Phoenix rises from the ashes of it's old decrepit self.
obama_socks
2 / 5 (8) Nov 12, 2012
So you believe that in 20 years the U.S. federal debt will be 4 times larger than today or 65 trillion.

"You don't take into account that in 20 years the kid would owe $218,000" - Obama Sox

Do you seriously believe that America could possibly exist as a nation with a debt that high. Interest on the debt alone would be 1.3 trillion per year or more.

Good luck with that Tard Boy.

-VDork

It is a very strong possibility if B.O remains as President for the next 20 years. Even if he doesn't and another Socialist becomes Pres., we will have the same results. Obama is spending 1 trillion a year on entitlements as it is, mostly toward welfare.
It is unsustainable and there will be an economic breakdown in the U.S. But that seems to be the goal of Socialists..to destroy the U.S. in every way possible. The U.S. as a nation will continue, but a certain section of the population will be enslaved to support the others. My children know this and are preparing for it.
ryggesogn2
3.3 / 5 (16) Nov 12, 2012
How dear leader thanks his followers:

"Ohioans' food stamp aid to be reduced
Benefit to fall $50 a month starting in January"
http://www.toledo...cut.html
ryggesogn2
3.4 / 5 (17) Nov 12, 2012
Advice for dear leader:
"The only reason behind the popular opposition to state-controlled economy and government regulations today is the glaring lack of non-stop government propaganda about the government's beneficial effects on everyone's well-being.

In the USSR, no one questioned the government's rule over the economy because we had the gigantic posters hanging in most advantageous locations, featuring happy citizens benefiting from the benevolence of the Party and of the government, as well as the Party leaders making sure the people's needs are provided for. "
http://thepeoples...025.html
kochevnik
1 / 5 (3) Nov 12, 2012
"Ohioans' food stamp aid to be reduced
Benefit to fall $50 a month starting in January"
http://www.toledo...cut.html
You mean he's not letting them starve to death as you would do?
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 13, 2012
koch...did you READ the article? People on "food stamps" in America may not be as resilient as you might be if YOUR little stipend was reduced by $50 a month. Aside from those recipients who depend on those stamps to buy beer, potato chips, Twinkies and contraceptives, the rest might consider the cut the difference between providing nourishment for their kids and themselves, and becoming malnourished and their immunity compromised. I will refer to this now as Obama's new "regulation too promote hunger". He has made thousands of new regulations and will make thousands more...most will be detrimental to businesses and the ongoing "war on hunger". But he and Hillary are also lenient on Islamic terrorists. Including the Mujahadeen.
http://www.regula...001-2138

It is ironic how Obama and his unelected appointees are screwing the American poor so soon after the election . He will probably blame it on Bush or the TEA Party and Conservatives while golfing
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 13, 2012
BTW, food stamps are not the same as "welfare checks" where the recipients of the checks are no longer required to seek employment to remain eligible for welfare (an Obama edict). And on a religious note: The "trials and tribulations" appear to be starting. It is expected that Obama will open the borders to all the Mexicans, et al., who want to live here and get on food stamp programs and welfare, further destroying the economy. Saul Alinsky's 'Rules For Radicals - "clearly states that the governmental system must first be collapsed thru debt and entitlements before it can be remade as a Socialist entity."

Rule #9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." 
The lie that Romney would take away Social Security and Medicare from old people.

Rule #13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
The Obama campaign and other Libtards used THIS Alinsky Rule against Romney/Ryan
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (6) Nov 13, 2012
koch...did you READ the article? People on "food stamps" in America may not be as resilient as you might be if YOUR little stipend was reduced by $50 a month.
I don't understand. The Tea Party ideal is to eliminate FEMA, kill unemployment insurance, rape social security for the banksters, put poor people in emergency rooms instead of hospitals and eliminate entitlements so more wars can be fought for Israel. Why are you unhappy about austerity? You should be overjoyed these red-state moochers are getting cut off. It's more money for the plutocrats who will, like Paul Ryan, give you some candy if you ask nice.
ryggesogn2
3.2 / 5 (18) Nov 13, 2012
rape social security

That is what the 'liberals' have been doing since its inception. FDR had to lie claiming it was an insurance system to get the votes now the taxes are dumped into the general fund. No trust fund, no trust. Just a ponzi scheme.
As for FEMA, ever since its creration there seem to be more and more natural disasters needing FEMA help. FEMA is doing a wonderful job in NY,NJ. BTW, the primary function of FEMA is to redistribute wealth. Their basic function is to take in claims and send out checks, not do the real hard work of cleanup and getting supplies into those areas. That is the job of local govts and citizens.
put poor people in emergency rooms instead of hospitals
Emergency rooms ARE at hospitals and they are required by the feds to treat ALL emergencies regardless of cost. One emergency room in Tucson had to close because they couldn't afford to treat all the illegal aliens and the feds would not reimburse them for cost.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 13, 2012
koch...did you READ the article? People on "food stamps" in America may not be as resilient as you might be if YOUR little stipend was reduced by $50 a month.
I don't understand. The Tea Party ideal is to eliminate FEMA, kill unemployment insurance, rape social security for the banksters, put poor people in emergency rooms instead of hospitals and eliminate entitlements so more wars can be fought for Israel. Why are you unhappy about austerity?
-koch

k - k - k...Where have you been? The state of Ohio was neither a blue state or red state. In political elections, it is a SWING state...it can go either way. In THIS year, Obama won Ohio. Obama is now instituting austerity on those who voted for him, and those who voted for him must have wanted an austerity program, otherwise why would they vote for him?

Paul Ryan & Romney lost, remember? The last 4 years and the next 8 or more years can only be blamed on BHObama.

kochevnik
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 13, 2012
k - k - k...Where have you been? The state of Ohio was neither a blue state or red state. In political elections, it is a SWING state...it can go either way.
" So under Ryan's budget, about 45 million people would lose health insurance they otherwise would've gotten.
Ryan's budget cuts $134 billion from food stamps, which is enough to kick 8-10 million people off the program.
Ryan cuts $166 billion from the portion of the budget that houses our education, training, employment and social services funding."
http://www.washin...he-poor/
FrankHerbert
2 / 5 (11) Nov 13, 2012
Paul Ryan & Romney lost, remember? The last 4 years and the next 8 or more years can only be blamed on BHObama.


So Obama is responsible for his entire presidency and the 4 (or more) years that follow it?

I'm curious as to how much credit you give the typical Republican president. I'm also curious to know how quickly you'll forget about this little quip if things improve. Obviously he couldn't be responsible for that!

So according to you Reagan would be responsible for all of the successes of the 90's and Clinton would be responsible for all of the failures of the 2000's, right?

How's the invisible Mars critters? I'm sure the current rover is running them over with prejudice :)
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 13, 2012
@koch
You and your Socialist buddies conveniently forget that BARACK H. OBAMA (of Benghazi and Fast & Furious gun-running fame who claims no knowledge of it) WON the Presidential election. Your mentioning of the TEA Party after the election has been over for over a week already, is now completely ridiculous and shows you to be a gullible fool and a hack for anti-American morons and imbeciles like VendicarD, Caliban and several others who comment stupidly on this site.

Get over it. Get back to Russia and kiss Putin's ass, and tell him that we are ready for anything he thinks he can do to us. And we will reciprocate in kind.

Putin's boy Obama will be watched very closely by us.

Perhaps the loss of America is something that makes a good lesson for all of us, and especially for the useful idiots who voted for Obama. They will soon understand what it is they voted for.
ryggesogn2
3.4 / 5 (17) Nov 13, 2012
Frankie, have you heard that Obama is now taking credit for Bush tax cuts? After all he did approve their extension so now they are his.
Credit for prosperous economic policies whose inertia can persist should be given to Calvin Coolidge, JFK and Reagan.
Credit for economic policies that reduced economic prosperity should be given to Wilson, Hoover, FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and GHW Bush and Obama.
If socialists can ever overcome their jealousy and envy and the quest for power to 'get even', maybe there is hope for long term prosperity.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 13, 2012
Paul Ryan & Romney lost, remember? The last 4 years and the next 8 or more years can only be blamed on BHObama.


So Obama is responsible for his entire presidency and the 4 (or more) years that follow it?

I'm curious as to how much credit you give the typical Republican president. I'm also curious to know how quickly you'll forget about this little quip if things improve. Obviously he couldn't be responsible for that!

So according to you Reagan would be responsible for all of the successes of the 90's and Clinton would be responsible for all of the failures of the 2000's, right?

How's the invisible Mars critters? I'm sure the current rover is running them over with prejudice :)
-FunkHerbert aka TheGhostofOtto1923

Blotto...get the boogers out of your brain. EVERY President is responsible for each of his terms. No exemptions.
Nothing will improve. Read what I said on pg.18 about Rules For Radicals..Obama's bible
WTF are invisible Mars critters? More of your idiocy?
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 13, 2012
@koch
Ryggesogn2 is correct. ANYBODY can go to an emergency room in any hospital and get treated for whatever ails them. Whether American citizen or illegal, or even a visitor from Russia, American hospitals are forbidden to turn anyone away without treatment as long as the emergency room remains open.

@ryggesogn2
That link you gave to www.thepeoplescube.com was too funny...lots of laughs. Thanks a million. :))
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (29) Nov 13, 2012
The "trials and tribulations" appear to be starting. It is expected that Obama will open the borders
Not unlike the Great Flood of your shit which has inundated this thread.
Nothing will improve. Read what I said on pg.18 about Rules For Radicals..Obama's bible
You seem to think that the opinions you post have some intrinsic value beyond that thrill you get from seeing them here. They do not.
WTF are invisible Mars critters? More of your idiocy?
Come on pussytard you don't have to ACT dumb. You ARE dumb. This is obvious.
That link you gave to http://www.thepeoplescube.com was too funny...lots of laughs. Thanks a million. :))
-The sucksuck sounds of pirouette/Ritchieguy/russkiye/pussytard/obamasucks/estevan and their silent suckpuppet chorus, acting as if they fit in.

So obiewan why do you continue to pollute under this suckpuppet when you promised to revert to some previous suckpuppet after the election? Did you forget your password? Try 'dumbass'.
Estevan57
2.4 / 5 (35) Nov 13, 2012
There you go again Otto. You still have to stick my name on your insecure BS you spread on this site. Who cares who anyone is? You're the only one that has a fit over who is whom.

As far as that goes, you don't seem to have a problem with having tens of suckpuppets either.

From lite to FrankHerbert to THeAntiphilo and others, you keep at it. The world laughs at you and your folly. I sure do.

By the way dumbass is what I have called you so many times that you can't help but use it on others.... DUMBASS.

The invisible martian comment was between you and someone else, not FrankHerbert, oopers.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 13, 2012
I remember that TheGhostofBlotto1923 and his suckpuppet FunkHerbert had a thing about Mars. I don't know who it was that they were after about it, though. I never paid that much attention to Blotto's stupid nonsense and I"ve been posting for 8 years.
And neither does it have anything to do with me, and I'm pretty sure that Rygg, FT, kochevnik, Estevan57 or VDork had nothing to do with FH and Blotto's ridiculous claim that there are invisible things on Mars. The flying Martian Spaghetti Monster, perhaps?

Oh, and Blotto seems to have a problem with me agreeing with anyone else. Maybe it's because I never agree with HIM?? ohhahahahaahhhhahhh smirk
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 13, 2012
Oh yes...I DID say that I was going to go back to my Physorg primary name full time after the election. Well, I forgot to mention that I would only delete this name IF Romney and Ryan won the Presidential election...and since they did not win, I feel honor bound to continue my political tirade against the Socialist piece of crap that still shits in the White House toilets, as well as on the American people and dishonors the office that he holds.

As my ex-wife used to tell me - one more time, please
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (28) Nov 14, 2012
As my ex-wife used to tell me - one more time, please
One of those same-sex marriages I guess. Or perhaps a no-sex marriage you liar?
By the way dumbass is what I have called you so many times that you can't help but use it on others.... DUMBASS.
I use them defensively and I am honest about them. You are a liar per my profile page and you defend flooding liars. What does this make you? You only post in defense of lying flooding imbeciles. You are a stalker by your own admission.

What do these things make YOU esai? A relative, a bf, a spouse, a member of the extended inbred family? No matter. Please do keep exposing yourself.
Estevan57
2.3 / 5 (31) Nov 14, 2012
Otto - You are mixing up people and their posts - again.
Take a look.
What does that make you?
Dumbass.

A profile page isn't proof of anything, you know that.
You have put many people on yours, I'm just the latest.

ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (17) Nov 14, 2012
Obama is great at leading his followers into poverty.

"Latino Poverty Rate Climbs to 28%"
http://latino.fox...-climbs/

And that IS his plan so yes, he is a great Marxist leader.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (29) Nov 14, 2012
Hello scummy troll
Otto - You are mixing up people and their posts - again.
Take a look.
What does that make you?
Dumbass.

A profile page isn't proof of anything, you know that.
You have put many people on yours, I'm just the latest.

So are you again trying to deny what you said? All people have to do is drop those quotes into google and they can see for themselves the sort of lying, stalking, corrupter of underage relatives you are.

Exposed again you liar.
FrankHerbert
1.4 / 5 (9) Nov 14, 2012
The invisible martian comment was between you and someone else, not FrankHerbert, oopers.


Actually it was between myself and obamas_cock (Pirouette). Do you willingly misquote people, or does your broken brain only see what it wants?
Estevan57
2.5 / 5 (33) Nov 15, 2012
Since you are both Otto, does it matter?
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Nov 15, 2012
"Four of the top ten organizations whose staff donated to President Obama's reelection campaign were universities, data released by the Federal Election Commission (FEC) reveals.
"
"Harvard was number five in donations overall, giving $602,992 to the President's campaign. Stanford donated $473,372 putting them at seventh on the list and Columbia donated $411,894 leaving the Ivy League university ninth in contributions."
http://www.campus...?ID=4501
kochevnik
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 15, 2012
"Four of the top ten organizations whose staff donated to President Obama's reelection campaign were universities
Ryggie when will your precious red states secede from the USA to help balance the budget?
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 15, 2012
I'm still waiting for RyggTard to tell us when he will be moving to that Libertarian paradise work camp that is being built in the South American Jungle.

"Ryggie when will your precious red states secede from the USA to help balance the budget?" - Kochevnik
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 15, 2012
Funny isn't it how education makes people Liberals.

I'm sure there is a NWO KookFart conspiracy in there somewhere.

"Four of the top ten organizations whose staff donated to President Obama's reelection campaign were universities, data released by the Federal Election Commission (FEC) reveals. " - RyggTard

VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 15, 2012
"Ronmey lost because he was too Liberal" - Faux News

http://latino.fox...-voters/
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Nov 15, 2012
"Four of the top ten organizations whose staff donated to President Obama's reelection campaign were universities
Ryggie when will your precious red states secede from the USA to help balance the budget?

The blue states can't let them go. They need the conflict.

If red states are such a burden, why won't they let them go?
Of course the federal govt owns most of the land in the red states. They could sell it to the new states and be out of debt. A great deal for the blue states.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 15, 2012
What Retard fantasy are you having that would lead you to think that they are being prevented?

"If red states are such a burden, why won't they let them go?" - RyggTard

When are you leaving, for that Libertarian Paradise of yours, Tard Boy?

Curious Liberal minds want to know.
FrankHerbert
1.4 / 5 (10) Nov 15, 2012
Here's the whole conversation for clarity.

How's the invisible Mars critters? I'm sure the current rover is running them over with prejudice :)

-FrankHerbert
As far as that goes, you don't seem to have a problem with having tens of suckpuppets either.From lite to FrankHerbert to THeAntiphilo and others, you keep at it. The world laughs at you and your folly. I sure do.
...
The invisible martian comment was between you and someone else, not FrankHerbert, oopers.

-Estevan57 (Noumenon)
Actually it was between myself and obamas_cock (Pirouette).

-FrankHerbert
Since you are both Otto, does it matter?

-Estevan57

Because that is what you are using to claim we are the same person? Quit being such a moron Noumenon. Just because you aren't posting on Noumenon doesn't mean I can't destroy your average rating. Choose wisely.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Nov 15, 2012
"Senate Democrats will avoiding passing a budget resolution for the fourth year in a row."
http://thehill.co...-budget-

Where is Obama's budget? Where is Dear Leader's leadership on the budget?
FrankHerbert
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 15, 2012
Your tears are delicious Jo(h)n. I love when they are effervescent with rage.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (4) Nov 15, 2012
Public Records Reveal Romney Profited From Corruption, Fraud, and Racketeering at Bain

http://www.politi...ain.html
VendicarD
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 15, 2012
House Republican accidentally tells truth about Solyndra investigation

http://grist.org/...igation/
VendicarD
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 15, 2012
10 Forgotten Scandals Surrounding Mitt Romney

Posthumous Baptisms
Profiting From 9/11
Voter Fraud
Profiting From Disposal Of Aborted Fetuses
Trying To Block A Lifesaving Abortion
Still Hiding Those Tax Returns (And That Over-stuffed IRA
Violating Ethics Laws (With Paul Ryan's Brother)
His Son's Connections With A Ponzi Scheme
Profiting From The Auto Bailout — While Jobs Were Shipped To China
The White Horse Prophecy

http://www.nation...-romney/
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (27) Nov 15, 2012
Your tears are delicious Jo(h)n. I love when they are effervescent with rage.
See this proves I'm not frank I would never write poop like this.
Estevan57
2.4 / 5 (31) Nov 15, 2012
Take your meds, Otto you're becoming transparent again.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (6) Nov 15, 2012
The fall of the American Middle Class, started when the fools voted for the Traitor called Ronald Reagan.

http://lasttechag...saez.gif
VendicarD
1 / 5 (2) Nov 16, 2012
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (28) Nov 16, 2012
The fall of the American Middle Class, started when the fools voted for the Traitor called Ronald Reagan.

http://lasttechag...saez.gif
No the fall of the middle class worldwide began when the PC was invented. There is nothing that the middle class does which cannot be done by machines, now or in the near future.

Ownership of these machines needs to be wrested from the elite who are pocketing more and more revenue generated by them. These machines need to be paid directly for their work, and taxed directly to support all the people they have replaced. As these people can never be expected to work again.

Emancipate the machines. Let them work for everybody.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2012
Your tears are delicious Jo(h)n. I love when they are effervescent with rage.
See this proves I'm not frank I would never write poop like this.
-Blotto

So Blotto, if FunkHerbert wasn't your sock puppet, why are you so concerned and trying to throw off the scent. You switch personas easily to get even more nasty and then you switch back to your primary name, theghostofotto1923 and pretend that you're innocent.
You're not fooling anybody after all these years. Only an idiot would believe your lies and you've already admitted to having multiple puppets, like Empire_man_otto, soulmanotto, ottothemasterbater, theghostofotto1932 (that's the one where you call yourself Otto Skorzeny), etc. etc. etc....way too many more to name here.
We all have been laughing at your dumb efforts of subterfuge and deception for years, Blotto. There are many of us who want you to continue acting and talking in a weird and stupid way because it gives us more to laugh at.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2012
The fall of the American Middle Class, started when the fools voted for the Traitor called Ronald Reagan.

http://lasttechag...saez.gif
No the fall of the middle class worldwide began when the PC was invented. There is nothing that the middle class does which cannot be done by machines, now or in the near future.

Ownership of these machines needs to be wrested from the elite who are pocketing more and more revenue generated by them. These machines need to be paid directly for their work, and taxed directly to support all the people they have replaced. As these people can never be expected to work again.

Emancipate the machines. Let them work for everybody.
-Blotto

ROFLMAO --see that? That's exactly what I mean. Blotto tries so hard to say something relevant and says that machines need to be paid directly for their work...and TAXED directly.

Blotto...don't ever stop talking like an imbecile. It suits you. :))
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2012
@Blotto
So you stumbled into the wrong theater after imbibing and vented your wrath on the Capitalists below, eh? Such boorish and uncivilized behavior. That had to be you.
http://www.nypost...Z4Wl6neP
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Nov 17, 2012
Public Records Reveal Romney Profited From Corruption, Fraud, and Racketeering at Bain

http://www.politi...ain.html
-VDork

Public records show that Obamasucks (that's what Blotto calls him) refuses to have his records made public.
That means no birth certificate, only a Certification of Live Birth has been produced, which is NOT a birth certificate and anyone who was foreign born can get a COLB;

Obama's college records are also locked up tight - hush hush which means that his grades were bad; Choom Gang and cocaine, anyone?: -

Obama was mentored by Communists and terrorists Bill Ayres & Bernadine Dohrn (sp?):

Obama is a racist AND sexist, having called his grandmother a "typical White woman"

Obama's agenda, routine, policies closely follows the rules in Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals"

Obama rarely attends morning briefings at White House...too busy to BE Presidential?

Estevan57
2.6 / 5 (33) Nov 17, 2012
Since Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School, it is a good bet his G.P.A. is from 3.80-3.89.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Nov 17, 2012
@Vendicar
One other thing - Election Day in the U.S. has come and gone and BHObama won another 4 years. But you still want to rake Romney over the coals for whatever reasons you might have. People are saying that you also threatened GWBush...who hasn't been Pres. for the last 4 years.

Obama will most likely want to be reelected again in 2016 and 2020, emulating Fidel and Hugo. I'm not too sure he can do it, unless the useful idiots who voted for him on Nov. 6th do it again in 2016. Isn't it funny how General Petraeus is implicating Obama as possibly being responsible for the murder of 4 Americans in Banghazi just by telling the truth?? The buck stops on HIS desk, so it's HIS fault - not Bush's.

Evidence?
http://www.realcl...azi.html
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2012
Since Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School, it is a good bet his G.P.A. is from 3.80-3.89.
-E57

Obama was mentored by Communists like Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayres and others. He has said that he wants to fundamentally transform the U.S.

One of his transformations will be redistribution of wealth. That is not only the rich, since the rich are only a very small percentage of the total population.
He will also go after the working middle class and the unions will support him.
Harvard and other universities are packed with Socialists and Commies...not just plain old Libtards.
My estimation is that BHObama was groomed to be President while in college. HE was chosen because he's half Black & half White. THEY knew it would appeal to minorities in the U.S. to have a Black Pres.
He requires teleprompters when he makes speeches because he is TOLD what to say. He fumbles a lot and makes gaffes w/o teleprompters. This means he is being told what to say.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2012
If he was being groomed while in college, his Socialist profs would pass him with a great g.p.a. Possibly some money was paid to them for the favor. How could a mere community organizer run for the U.S. Senate because of his race? Very easy in Chicago. That city is known for dirty politics and corruption, so it isn't hard to imagine that a young black man who was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii and only arrived on the mainland in 1979 and didn't have the money to attend ivy league universities like Harvard and Columbia, somehow was able to AFFORD the tuition, books, residence, etc. with both parents dead and grandparents not very well off financially. He was taught to be a Socialist, and possibly to be a Communist. His handlers had to have known what kind of people would vote for him. They were betting on Libtards, welfare kings & queens, and minorities to "carry" him...and they were right.

obamas_cock
Nov 17, 2012
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ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2012
Since Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School, it is a good bet his G.P.A. is from 3.80-3.89.

What were his grades at Columbia?
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2012
"U.S. intelligence told President Barack Obama and senior administration officials within 72 hours of the Benghazi tragedy that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region, officials directly familiar with the information told the Washington Guardian on Friday."
http://www.washin...benghazi
What a leader! He sends his minions out to lie on five different TV news shows.
VendicarD
2 / 5 (4) Nov 17, 2012
I don't tollerate liars or mass murderers like you do, so Ronmey, Bush and You are on my shit list.

"But you still want to rake Romney over the coals for whatever reasons you might have. People are saying that you also threatened GWBush...who hasn't been Pres. for the last 4 years." - Sox
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 17, 2012
Translation: there was suspicion but no proof that the attack was done by local militia groups and not al-Qaida, 72 hours after the attack.

"within 72 hours of the Benghazi tragedy that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region..." - RyggTard

If there was only suspicion and no proof, and if the party suspected wasn't Al Qada, why are Retards like RyggTard, whining that the president didn't immediately announce that it was Al Qada.

RyggTard's own "evidence" contradicts his own, earlier claims.

Pathetic.
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 17, 2012
No one but retards like you seem to care.

"What were his grades at Columbia?" - RyggTard

What is your shoe size?

ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (13) Nov 17, 2012
The quality of universities today:

"After effectively barring conservative columnist Ann Coulter from speaking on campus last week, the Jesuit college Fordham University welcomed infanticide and bestiality advocate Peter Singer for a panel discussion on Friday.

According to Fordham's media relations website, Singer, a tenured Princeton bioethics professor, spoke from 4 to 6 p.m. in a panel the university promised "will provoke Christians to think about other animals in new ways."

Singer has long lamented the societal stigma against having sex with animals."

Read more: http://dailycalle...CXlJT07E
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 22, 2012
Bioethics? Somehow I failed to see the "ethics" part of that. As a professor, I think Singer would be more in violation of ethics.
The Jesuits have come a long way from their long-held status as one of the bastions of the Catholic Church. SOME have joined the "Liberals/Progressives" in their drive to bring the Catholics into the policies of full acceptance of morally depraved and inhuman practices. Such practices and treatment of animals extolled by Singer can only be described as barbaric, monstrous, heinous, and in defiance of the uplifting of the human spirit.
That Fordham University rejected a good person in favor of a purveyor of intrinsic evils is an example of what is wrong with academia in these times…an overstepping into wholesale immorality has become the norm of the day...a natural offshoot of the mantra repeated in the late 1900s of "try it, you'll like it". College students tried homosexuality as a show of liberalism and liberation, and they liked it. (contd)

VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 22, 2012
The filth and ignorance of Ann Coulter

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

"In fact Sarah Palin has created more jobs than Obama has."

"Now that there is a mild recession, Democrats want to raise taxes."

"I know Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that's all I really need to know."

"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."

"Even fanatical Muslim terrorists don't hate America like liberals do."

"In contemplating college liberals, you really regret, once again, that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals by making them realize that they could be killed, too."
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 22, 2012
(contd from pg.20)
As academics and other educators further remove oppositions to biological, sexual, and amoral practices by fully indoctrinating their empty-headed charges…even while undaunted by the outcry of outraged parents, fellow educators and perplexed legislators, it is no longer inconceivable that tenured professors might also carry the banner for portions of society to be made available as though they were cattle, to be provided to "others" who wish to indulge their palate to an exotic dish of human fillet or steaks. The door is now open wide and all manner of evils and indignities will no longer be forbidden...or hidden.

It is the sequence of events that will enable such things.
VendicarD
2 / 5 (4) Nov 22, 2012
Sox produces such a volume of insanity that it makes me laugh.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 22, 2012
'She joked that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has created more jobs than Mr. Obama. "She's created at least 11 jobs fact-checking at the AP just for the Palin autobiography," she said. '

http://www.cbsnew...544.html

VD - ""In fact Sarah Palin has created more jobs than Obama has."
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Democrats always want to raise taxes, and Obama will raise taxes as of 2013 on the working middle class and the wealthy, and in 2014 he will eliminate the tax deduction on home mortgage interest. Also, a home sold after Jan. 2014 will incur an additional tax of about 3.9% over and above the usual tax.

VD - "Now that there is a mild recession, Democrats want to raise taxes."
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 22, 2012
edit: Also, a home sold after Jan. 2014 will incur an additional tax of about 3.9% over and above the usual "Capital Gains tax."

ryggesogn2
3.1 / 5 (15) Nov 22, 2012
Obamacare does nothing to reduce the cost of medical care.
Like every other scheme where the govt limits payments, rationing occurs and service declines.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 22, 2012
I'm not sure why Sox is attributing to me quotes made by Ann Coulter.

I presume it is a result of another aspect of his mental disease.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (4) Nov 22, 2012
Given that America has one of the most costly and least effective health care systems among first world nations, a little bit if rationing to lower costs and increase efficiency would be a very good thing indeed.

Americans overwhelmingly agree.

"Like every other scheme where the govt limits payments, rationing occurs and service declines." - RyggTard
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 22, 2012
"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote." -VD of AC

I think a recent, legal picture I.D. will suffice.
-------

"Even fanatical Muslim terrorists don't hate America like liberals do." -VD of AC

Ann Coulter is correct. VD's diatribes against America are a good example. Muslim terrorists are intent on destroying Western civilization, not just America. It is because of:
1) Western secularism;
2) Conflicts in religions;
3) Perceived favoritism toward Israeli Jews;
4) Perceived oppressive and unfair treatment of Palestinians;
5) The Muslim preference that everyone should be like them, i.e., religion, culture, etc.
6) Jealousy of wealth and materialism
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (14) Nov 22, 2012
Two of the most cost effect medical care products are not covered by insurance.
Cosmetic surgery and laser eye surgery. They have had to compete with the results being high quality and low cost services primarily due to innovations.

"Like most of the promises made about Obamacare, the pledge that it will lower health costs is turning out to be completely bogus. In fact, it's already raising health costs."
http://www.forbes...emerges/
Of course this is the plan all along. BTW, the costs are not the cost of care but the cost of the insurance.
BHO is a great Marxist leader. The plan all along is for the initial plan to make insurance so expensive the federal govt will then 'have no choice' but to step in and take over.
Will there be any doctors willing to be slaves to the govt as there are already shortages and rationing in Medicare.
I hope you 'liberal' boomers are happy with your socialist state.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 22, 2012
"Given that America has one of the most costly and least effective health care systems among first world nations, a little bit if rationing to lower costs and increase efficiency would be a very good thing indeed"

Poor VD,,,STILL unable to understand pure economics and the "law of supply and demand". Nor does VD pay attention to the fact that the costs of Obamacare beginning in 2014 will be higher than the costs of health care as it is now. The working middle class Americans will largely foot the bill to pay for Obamacare of the non-working welfare parasites and leeches. The 1% wealthy will take their money overseas and sell off their mansions, yachts, etc.
The next 10% will close down their businesses and fire or lay off their workers just as the company that made Twinkies has done. (I'm sure Blotto will miss his Twinkies.)
The next 50% will be the ones fired or laid off and will be either on unemployment insurance, forced retirement, or pounding the streets looking for employment.
VendicarD
2 / 5 (4) Nov 22, 2012
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (14) Nov 22, 2012
"In the make-up of each doctor, and therefore in the aggregate of the entire medical profession producing and delivering today's high quality medical care, three attributes are essential, the three priceless ingredients.

A candidate for the medical degree must have the desire and will to be a physician above all else. He must have the scholastic and other ability to enable him to become a doctor. And he must possess character in its finest sense.

Can government legislate or order character into individuals who lack it?

Can government decree or legislate that individuals must like the practice of medicine above all else?

Can government by the expenditure of funds or by passing a law create the ability it requires to be a doctor where this is nonexistent?

"
http://www.fee.or...shortage
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (9) Nov 22, 2012
(contd)
The next percentage after that is the leeches who pay NO Federal income tax, no Capital gains tax, estate tax, death tax, etc. None whatsoever. They will be unable to pay for their Obamacare, and the working middle class will have to pay that bill through their Fed. income tax. Because the taxes on the working middle class will be raised due to Obamacare for the parasites, the working middle class will be unable to afford their Obamacare payments, thus losing their health insurance.
Oh, but if they don't pay into Obamacare for themselves, they will be forced to pay a PENALTY that will be taken off the top of their salary. That takes away from their mortgage and food money, etc. etc.
The quality of health care will diminish. Doctors, nurses, etc. will be paid a low wage under Obamacare. Many doctors are already giving up the practice because they won't make enough money to live on and pay for their student loans and equipment that doctors need. That includes renting a building
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 22, 2012
I'll bet you like all that, eh VD? It must give you a sense of satisfaction that half of all Americans voted again for the jerk in the White House, and that jerk will be the catalyst that destroys this nation. Through the accident of birth, the imbeciles and mental retards in America were born in this once fine country and, knowingly or unknowingly, had decided to vote for the one devil whose agenda all along was to bring America to her knees and decapitate her with a stroke of his pen.
All the Libtards celebrate as we go out with a whimper; but they will see their mistake, and very soon, except for the ones who were in on the devil's agenda and helped to do his work.
FrankHerbert
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 22, 2012
Obama is literally scientifically proven to be a great leader. Of course 'conservatives' deny science.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (11) Nov 22, 2012
'Conservatives' will continue to genuflect to superstition while liberals lead the world into a new golden age free of 'conservative' ignorance.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (19) Nov 24, 2012
The greatest threat to personal liberty is the 'liberal progressive' social engineer and their army of statisticians.
FrankHerbert
2 / 5 (12) Nov 25, 2012
Actually, the greatest threat to personal liberty is the generational acquisition of wealth by psychopathic 'conservatives'.
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (17) Nov 25, 2012
How does another persons wealth cause you to loose liberty? The fact that they are able to acquire wealth Freely demonstrates liberty,... while class warfare results in government policies that limit liberty.

p.s. liberals are smelly and gross.
ryggesogn2
2.6 / 5 (15) Nov 25, 2012
Actually, the greatest threat to personal liberty is the generational acquisition of wealth by psychopathic 'conservatives'.

What is 'generational acquisition of wealth'?
The classic examples are socialists: Joe Kennedy and sons, Delano family, Roosevelt, ...
Why did these families feel the need to enter into govt 'service'?
BTW, 'generational wealth' does not last very long if those generations do not learn how to crate wealth. Joe Kennedy's family have coasted on his wealth for generations. How much time do they have left?
In any case, this is just another variation on the greed and envy pillars of socialism.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (26) Nov 25, 2012
How does another persons wealth cause you to loose liberty? The fact that they are able to acquire wealth Freely demonstrates liberty,... while class warfare results in government policies that limit liberty.

p.s. liberals are smelly and gross.
For a world-class word monger you seem to be lacking in embarrassing areas
http://www.gramma...lose.htm

-I am apalled. Ryggy might want to review this as well.
What is 'generational acquisition of wealth'?
The classic examples are socialists: Joe Kennedy and sons, Delano family, Roosevelt, ...
Well they could afford to be liberal couldn't they? We could ALL afford to be a little liberal.

For the record the Rockefeller foundation has been responsible for spreading family planning programs throughout the world, including ABORTION to the tune of ONE BILLION and counting. This is how rampant capitalism does good things for humanity.
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (17) Nov 25, 2012
-I am apalled. Ryggy might want to review this as well. - GhostOfOtto


If you're going to get into the business of critiquing other posts, I would suggest not making errors in that very post.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (27) Nov 25, 2012
Here's a question for you:

"Why [do] fires in south Asia kill more than blazes elsewhere?
[Because markets reign free in south Asia]

"If you were to invent a deathtrap, you'd use: unethical owners, crowded slums, corrupt inspectors and untrained firefighters... Though the reasons leading to fire at a textile factory in Bangladesh are being investigated as we speak, blazes like the one in Dhaka on Saturday, which killed at least 120 in a garment factory, are sadly all too frequent occurrences around south Asia."
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (28) Nov 25, 2012
-I am apalled. Ryggy might want to review this as well. - GhostOfOtto


If you're going to get into the business of critiquing other posts, I would suggest not making errors in that very post.
Wha- that was sarcasm. Did you miss it? I understand we loose the ability to recognize sarcasm as we age. Exercise does help us to retain cognitive acquity to some extent. I learned these things right here on physorg.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (16) Nov 25, 2012
Because markets reign free in south Asia

Where are markets free in south Asia?
"Bangladesh's economic freedom score is 53.2, making its economy the 130th freest in the 2012 Index. Its overall score is 0.2 point better than last year, reflecting improvements in business freedom and labor freedom that counterbalance a significant drop in trade freedom. Bangladesh is ranked 28th out of 41 countries in the Asia–Pacific region."
"Corruption and an inefficient judicial system undermine the rule of law. Weak governance and structural problems continue to constrain development. The inefficient regulatory regime is often heavily politicized, and policies needed to liberalize or sustain open markets have been undercut by considerable government interference in the economy. "
http://www.herita...ngladesh
Fires in Dhaka are the failure of govt, not markets.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (15) Nov 25, 2012
Rockefeller foundation has been responsible for spreading family planning programs throughout the world, including ABORTION to the tune of ONE BILLION and counting.

Who runs the Rockefeller foundation, or Ford foundation? The problem with these foundations is their original intent is taken over, usually by 'liberals' who love to spend OPM on their pet projects.
But this is preferred over using taxpayer funds plundered by a coercive state.
The Howard Hughes Medical Institute has accomplished many great things. A Koch foundation is doing great work at MIT in cancer research.
Noumenon
3.5 / 5 (13) Nov 25, 2012
I am apalled. Ryggy might want to review this as well. - GhostOfOtto
If you're going to get into the business of critiquing other posts, I would suggest not making errors in that very post.
Wha- that was sarcasm.


I don't believe you. If it weren't for your constant lack of capitalizing proper names and countries, consistent failure in using apostrophes in contracting 'do not', 'could not', 'were not', and lack of commas and periods where your rambling nonsensical posts beg for them,.. I may have believed you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (27) Nov 25, 2012
Fires in Dhaka are the failure of govt, not markets.
Exactly. It is not big and powerful enough to create the regulatory environment necessary to provide workers and consumers with the minimum of safety and protection from unscrupulous capitalist corner-cutters. Like china.
The Howard Hughes Medical Institute has accomplished many great things.
Indeed including much research on human embryonic stem cells. Im sure no fetuses were harmed.
I don't believe you. If it weren't for your constant lack of capitalizing proper names and countries, consistent failure in using apostrophes in contracting 'do not', 'could not', 'were not', and lack of commas and periods where your rambling nonsensical posts beg for them,.. I may have believed you.
sez you
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (14) Nov 25, 2012
It is not big and powerful enough to create the regulatory environment

It's big enough to prevent the owners from providing their own fire protection.
You think any business owner wants his business destroyed by fire? And it's doubtful their is any type of insurance.
The most effective safely regulations have been promoted by insurance companies as they have a stake in the risk.
UL was created by insurance companies to prevent electrical fires. It was not created by any govt agency.
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 25, 2012
Mindless Libertarian imagineering.

"It's big enough to prevent the owners from providing their own fire protection." - RyggTard

"You think any business owner wants his business destroyed by fire?" - RyggTard

You think that any banker want's to purchase credit default swaps?

You think that any truck driver wants to die in a truck crash?

You think that any fuc*er wants to get aids?

Libertarian non-logic at it's best.
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 25, 2012
It provides a foundation upon which the failed U.S. medical system will be made more efficient.

Unless Republican filth can manage to sabotage the reforms.

"Obamacare does nothing to reduce the cost of medical care." - RyggTard
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 25, 2012
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Nov 26, 2012
UL was created by insurance companies to prevent electrical fires. It was not created by any govt agency.
Underwriters Laboratories and Better Business Bureau. Both American jokes that give companies a top rating for $99.
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (13) Nov 26, 2012
After filing a complaint about a HSBC Master Card purchase to the BBB, I received action from HSBC and a refund.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Nov 26, 2012
It's big enough to prevent the owners from providing their own fire protection.
You think any business owner wants his business destroyed by fire? And it's doubtful their is any type of insurance.
Swelling pops and increasing competition make corner-cutting and collusion and corruption mandatory. Owners who spend extra capital on safety cannot compete. When labor is at a surplus owners HAVE to pay workers less to remain competitive because at least one of their competitors will.

In this environment the most unscrupulous prevail. OF COURSE this subgroup is willing to risk their building burning down, when the potential for profit is high and the alternative, which is being out-competed and driven out of business, is overarching.

You think these factors don't exist in overpopulated regions? OF COURSE they do. Overpopulation is the RESULT of prosperity in most parts of the world.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (17) Nov 26, 2012
Obama is literally scientifically proven to be a great leader. Of course 'conservatives' deny science. - FrankHerbert


If you think the above is Science or even unbiased, then you are as clueless as the HuffingtonPost assumes you to be.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (14) Nov 26, 2012
Obama is literally scientifically proven to be a great leader. Of course 'conservatives' deny science. - FrankHerbert


"despite the scores of books and articles about leadership that pour out of the popular press, there is a dearth of rigorous academic research, journal articles or doctoral programs that focus on it as a serious discipline. The book aims to start to fill that big gap."
"The editors find that the current state of scholarly research doesn't lead to clear answers to many of the big questions in leadership. Those are basic questions like whether our educational institutions are developing leaders with the competence and character to run the complex institutions that are vital to modern society, and how we can know what it takes to develop better leaders."
"The book has "theory" as well as "practice" in its title because its creators hope it will encourage the serious research they see as so lacking.
http://www.forbes...ory-prac
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (14) Nov 26, 2012
(cont)
"The book is an outgrowth of a Harvard Business School Centennial Colloquium titled "Leadership: Advancing an Intellectual Discipline." That conference, held at the school in June 2008, brought together some of the most important scholars in fields as diverse as psychology, sociology, economics and history to take a stock of what is known about leadership and to set an agenda for future research."
http://www.forbes...ard.html
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 27, 2012
Former Republican officials in Florida have admitted a controversial new law that helped fuel massive lines on Election Day was intentionally created to suppress Democratic votes. Republican leaders had claimed the law was aimed at stopping voter fraud. But former Republican officials, including former Florida governor Charlie Crist, told the Palm Beach Post that alleged fraud was used as a cover to conceal the main goal of Republicans — curbing Democratic votes. In particular, Republican officials were apparently concerned about the impact of early voting by people of color. The Palm Beach Post cites an anonymous Republican consultant saying: "I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that's a big day when the black churches organize themselves."
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (15) Nov 29, 2012
When do great leaders have to hide?

"Transparency: Walk the Walk, Mr. President "
http://www.nation...hn-fund#
ryggesogn2
2.5 / 5 (13) Nov 29, 2012
" as per the usual Obama administration strategy, the impression of compromise was delivered without actual compromise."
""Secretary Geithner has offered no plan on behalf of the President. Newspaper articles and leaks from anonymous aides are not a plan. Until this fantasy 'plan' from a secret meeting is made public and scored by the Congressional Budget Office it does not exist."
http://www.breitb...lan-fake

What should anyone expect from a 'leader' who voted 'present' more times than yay or nay.
VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 29, 2012
"When do great leaders have to hide?" - RyggTard

Odd how RyggTard does little more these days than repost links from the Druge Report.

From RyggTards Druge report echo chamber.

"Tax increases that will weaken the economy could be combined with spending cuts that never materialize.."

Republicans think that dollars have a memory and know the difference between originating from a tax reduction or from a spending increase.

Here on planet earth, we sentient beings know that dollars, like Conservatives, have no capacity to think and hence a dollar of economic stimulus that comes from borrowing is identical in the short term to a dollar that comes from a tax reduction.

VendicarD
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 29, 2012
Conservatives like RyggTard are fond of saying that congress controls the budget. So if the congress allows the nation to fall over the fiscal cliff and into recession, it is strictly their fault.

I think they will. The Tea Baggers in their party are demanding Austerity policies that will produce another decades long Grand Economic Depression.

Somehow the Tea Baggers have convinced themselves that throwing 40 million Americans out of work will be good for the economy.

Good luck with that.
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (12) Nov 30, 2012
If the French say BHO is socialist, it must be true.
"French Socialist in Mittal Row: We're Just Doing What Obama Does"
http://www.cnbc.c...50022833
Caliban
2 / 5 (4) Nov 30, 2012
Yeah, and what about that RepConTeaBagRanditeLibertarian electoral landslide predicted by frei"thinking", ryggsuckn', geockstrap(we should prolly include nonoUNme, Scooty, odd sock, et al, too- by association)?

What the hell happened?

It didn't happen, that's what.

I told you jackasses you were going to be pissing out the other side of yer holes when the election went in the exact opposite direction.

More Progressive/Lib/Dem/Socialist Commies. And we're gonna Educate your children! Make sure that your sick, disabled, and elderly don't have to die in a ditch because you don't want to spend your money taking care of them! Start paying down the deficit, balancing the budget AND creating new jobs! And that's just the first wave.

Start crying now, morons --the New Dark Ages just got pushed back for a few more years, so you'll just have to wait before you can carve out your Disaster Capitalist Fiefdoms.

In the meantime, careful you don't collect any quarrels in your spotty backsides!
Caliban
1 / 5 (3) Nov 30, 2012

Just had to repost the above, as it bears repeating.

You know --to help put things in perspective for y'all.
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (12) Nov 30, 2012
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein "

"The Obama administration's opening bid on Thursday in negotiations to avert a year-end fiscal crunch included a demand for new stimulus spending and authority to unilaterally raise the U.S. borrowing ceiling, "
http://www.reuter...20121130

BHO is either insane or wants to turn the USA into Cuba or France (which IS insane).
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (11) Dec 02, 2012
A 'liberal' SF paper disagrees:

" a nation that needs its leaders to start making tough choices on difficult issues.

Mr. President: The campaign is over. You were elected to lead. It's time for you to do so."
"The president has been playing small-ball politics when he should be thinking long-term policy."
"Surely the Obama administration, after four years in office, can identify $1.5 trillion in savings over the next decade out of a federal budget that now approaches $4 trillion a year. If it can't, then Obama needs to be looking for some real managers for his second term."
"The Democrats' resolute refusal to consider measures to ensure the sustainability of Social Security and Medicare also raises a question of fairness:..."

Read more: http://www.sfgate...DtyDdbfu
Caliban
1 / 5 (3) Dec 03, 2012
A 'liberal' SF paper disagrees:


No, Swenson, that was the the wavefront of your profoundly self-deceiving ideological echochamber collapsing into cognitive dissonance.

Bellevue is only about three hours away. You should go check yourself in for a good, long holiday. The doctors will treat you well, and there is all the jello your little trollheart could ever desire.

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