Scholar: Jesus talks of wife in ancient script

Sep 18, 2012 by Rodrique Ngowi

(AP)—A Harvard University professor has unveiled a fourth century fragment of papyrus that she says is the only existing ancient text that quotes Jesus explicitly referring to having a wife.

Karen King, an expert in the history of Christianity, says the text contains a dialogue in which refers to "my wife," whom he identified as Mary. King says the fragment of Coptic script is a copy of a gospel, probably written in Greek in the second century.

King unveiled the fragment of the "Gospel of Jesus's Wife" in Rome on Tuesday. She says it doesn't prove Jesus was married but speaks to issues of family and marriage that faced .

King says on a Harvard website that the dialogue includes the disciples discussing whether Mary is worthy and Jesus saying "she can be my disciple."

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Caliban
3.7 / 5 (9) Sep 18, 2012
Clear evidence that the dirty, commie atheists have perfected Time Travel, and are using the technology to do Satan's work!

What's next --a photo of Jesus and the Twelve eating ham'n'shrimp for the Last Supper?

kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (13) Sep 18, 2012
LOL some department-head's wife got off the dole
dan42day
1.9 / 5 (18) Sep 18, 2012
It was just a fragment, how can we be sure that it wasn't one of his famous comedy routines?

"Take my wife, PLEASE!"
Deathclock
2.5 / 5 (16) Sep 18, 2012
Who cares? Jesus, if he existed, is dead and gone and the stories about him are greatly exaggerated. I guarantee no one performed miracles or rose from the dead... Wishful thinking by people who don't like to think.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (20) Sep 19, 2012
Drudgereport.com had a more detailed and lengthy account of this story. The owner of the fragmented papyrus refused to come forth and be identified, but several papyrus experts say that it doesn't appear that it is a fake. Dr. King said that it doesn't prove that Jesus existed or was married, and it was written ~400 years after Jesus lived.
As he was a rabbi, it isn't a surprise that he would have been married, as it was rare for Jewish men to remain single and celibate.
Jesus would've been called Yeshua or Jeshua...the name Joshua was fairly common during that time and was most likely the original pronunciation.
The Catholic church decided long ago that men who became Catholic priests had to remain single and celibate because it was thought that Jesus was so. If it can be proved that Jesus was, indeed, married, it will cause a bit of trouble for church doctrine as generations of Catholic clergy were forced to give up "interests of the flesh" to prove devotion to the church.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (20) Sep 19, 2012
Jesus or Joshua is regarded by Islam as a man and a prophet. They don't attribute a state of divinity to him, and the Jews don't accept him either as divine. Certain books other than the New Testament predict his coming as a Messiah, but the N.T. is much more detailed as to his life and death.
However, approx. 15 years of his life is missing from the N.T., and if he was married, then that might explain that gap in his history where he was a husband, possibly working as a carpenter, and possibly having children. That too, would not be surprising, although it could be a shock to Christians who hadn't thought it possible.
The rest of the papyrus needs to be found..possibly in some museum or in someone's collection of antiquities. It's been said that the other parts of it may have been cut away and sold for a larger profit.
bluehigh
1.7 / 5 (18) Sep 19, 2012
Dan Brown. The Da Vinci Code.

Mary Magdalene ... and was the wife of Jesus, of the House of David.

In the novel ... the figure at the right hand of Jesus in Leonardo da Vinci's painting of "The Last Supper" is not the apostle John, but actually Mary Magdalene.
defactoseven
2.7 / 5 (12) Sep 19, 2012
I do not wish repeat myself more than twice a day on the subject. Jesus the man as is told in the Bible never existed. It was a fabrication by Eusebius Pamphili, a Roman historian (c. AD 263–339) who states in his Book Evangelical Preparation: "It may be lawful and fitting to use fictions [falsehood] as a medicine, and for the benefit of those [Christians] who want to be deceived."
He was the first to find and transcribe the infamous Testimonium Flavianum of Josephus the historian whose account apologetics claim "proves" the existence of Jesus Christ 300 years earlier... and, of course, was treated with his "medicinal fictions". Politics is old, boys.

He added it. He confessed. There were at least 8 people who claimed to be The Christ in 30AD. Now can we stop with the Jesus stuff and go home?
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) Sep 19, 2012
You have the option of leaving this thread whose topic just happens to be about Jesus and the woman whom he may have married. Your Eusebius Paphili may have done the reverse of what he may have intended, (to write fiction) by transcribing a work of Josephus faithfully. If he actually wrote some fiction into the works of Josephus, then by law he would also have to add a disclaimer stating that he did not transcribe the text faithfully and the reason why, and which parts...unless he had a severe secret hatred for Christians and was not concerned with truth.
You seem to be under the impression that Christianity only started 300 years after the death of Christ and only after the N.T was written, but that is false. Christianity started with Jesus and his disciples who continued his teachings and those teachings were passed down orally, and possibly written on papyrus yet to be discovered, similar to discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) Sep 19, 2012
I haven't read Josephus in many many years, and it's about time to get reacquainted with his works once again. It was an interesting time he lived in, and we now live in equally interesting times.

http://en.wikiped...on_Jesus

http://www.mounta..._007.htm
Birger
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 19, 2012
I can certainly believe that someone named Yeshua ben Joseph preached, and got executed by the Romans. The rest is based on oral history written down when the disciples were dead.
There were A LOT of gospels circulating, most were burned by the winning faction once Christianity became the Roman state religion.
I recommend the book "Lost Christianities".
rsklyar
1.4 / 5 (10) Sep 19, 2012
But some other Harvard professors prefer to steal the results: http://www.usw.co...activity
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
5 / 5 (3) Sep 19, 2012
King is a "christian historian", not a historian who generally acknowledges that "Jesus" was not a historical individual and that religious texts are myths. Taken together the simplest explanation is of course that it is all myth.

The text fragment is not unique, many early cults had "Jesus" as married.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
5 / 5 (2) Sep 19, 2012
@ defactoseven, obama_socks, Birger:

There is little history here, because there are few historical facts except in the negative: no migrations witnessed by static culture in the archaeological record, no historical individuals, et cetera.

But these post-semitic religions originates with greeks after the Hellenian conquest of the region, in typical greek pagan syncretic fashion (greek texts; disparate elements from earlier local and greek religions). Likely the old religions were less attractive with other old cultural elements, and the conquered took a fancy to the victors 'superior' culture, it's what usually happens.

Testing that is that the first post-semitic religious texts are dated to that period (Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS)). The whole pagan derived cult complex was still not fragmented, see DSS. That happened in the first centuries CE, when jew and christian cults split and crystallized, and wrote now disparate texts.
FerrisBueller_TheWise
1.3 / 5 (13) Sep 20, 2012
Ancient history of the Hebrews long preceded the birth of Jesus or Yeshua, and thus their history had already been written down and established as fact when Jesus came on the scene. Probably, by the time when he showed up, the Jews, for the most part had become inured to being a conquered people and no longer expected any miracles, including gaining total independence from their "masters", the Romans.
It was also hard for the Jews to swallow the messages that Jesus gave them of turning the other cheek, and "passive resistance", something which Mahatma Ghandi employed against the British to gain freedom for India. While it did eventually work for Ghandi, the Jews under Roman rule were unwilling to adhere to such a message of peace and love for, or in spite of the enemy. They wanted to be rid of their oppressors, and Jesus was teaching the opposite of revolution. He taught a different kind of revolution, which the Jews rejected. (contd)
FerrisBueller_TheWise
1.3 / 5 (14) Sep 20, 2012
Their history taught them a different kind of God existed, one that gave no quarter for their enemies and demanded absolute observance and adherence to his commandments.
It's possible that the Jews had become jaded and were not truly interested in a new kind of message of hope and peace, and Jesus' preaching to a multitude was resented by many Jews. So, Jesus' existence came at the wrong time, and his message of hope, love and passivity was the wrong message under the circumstances.
It is easy for some to say that he never existed for lack of evidence to the contrary. But the message that he brought to the Jews is actually the kind of message that the Muslims need to learn at this time in our history. Perhaps Jesus should return to preach love and hope to them so that they will turn the other cheek also.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Sep 20, 2012
@ bluehigh
That was a great movie - Davinci Code - quite a shocker to Christians who saw it, including me. Who would've thought such a marriage was possible? But he was a man, after all.
freethinking
2 / 5 (20) Sep 23, 2012
Interesting. Someone I knew asked me about this and if I was worried. I told them no, b/c the media wasn't playing it up on the front page, so probably even the media was didn't believe it.

Lastest info, its a fraud. Who would have guessed? Christianities version of Jesus dodged another Jesus was married, Jesus never existed, Jesus body was found, Jesus wasn't the Jesus of the bible, etc. proof that actually is a fraud.

Now if the anti christians slanderers had any guts, they would slander another religion leader ie. Muhammad. But being cowards, I won't hold my breath.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.3 / 5 (14) Sep 23, 2012
Clear evidence that the dirty, commie atheists have perfected Time Travel, and are using the technology to do Satan's work!
This is actually the explanation religionists use to explain how all their sacred stories can be found in far earlier religions... Satan did it. because he could.
Lastest info, its a fraud. Who would have guessed?
No, latest info, it's still under analysis and peer review. It is your premature declaration which is fraudulent.