New York police launch high-tech surveillance

Aug 08, 2012
New York police on Wednesday launched what officials say is a revolutionary camera surveillance system that will simultaneously scan the streets and call up data on suspects.

New York police on Wednesday launched what officials say is a revolutionary camera surveillance system that will simultaneously scan the streets and call up data on suspects.

The Domain Awareness System, developed with Microsoft, "is an innovative tool that has the potential to revolutionize law enforcement, intelligence and public safety operations," the mayor's office said.

Unlike simpler camera surveillance networks, the new system instantly gives officers massive amounts of information about what they are monitoring.

It "aggregates and analyzes existing public safety in real time, providing NYPD investigators and analysts with a comprehensive view of potential threats and criminal activity," the office said.

For example, officers watching crime suspects via a live video feed will also immediately see arrest records, related crimes in the area and other data that could build a portrait of the individual under scrutiny.

Cars linked to a suspect can be analyzed so that investigators know where it has been for months, while officers will also be able to rewind footage tracing who left any suspicious package.

"The system is a transformative tool because it was created by police officers for police officers," Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Mayor said the "cutting edge" system "capitalizes on new, powerful policing software that allows and other personnel to more quickly access relevant information gathered from existing cameras, , previous crime reports and other existing tools and technology."

About 3,000 cameras are connected to the Domain Awareness System. The majority are in the financial and business districts of Manhattan, where most of the city's are located, but the network is being expanded to other parts of New York.

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TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (26) Aug 08, 2012
Excellent. We are fast approaching a threshold beyond which crime will be impossible. Everything of value will be tagged and their state and location constantly monitored. Similarly, people will contain networks of implants which will constantly monitor and analyse our emotional and physiological states. Most people will elect to have these implanted. For anyone who shows a propensity for aberrant behavior, this will be mandatory.

Implant network monitoring will increase our medical knowledge exponentially about what causes illness and criminal behavior. In conjunction with advances in genetic engineering and prenatal therapy we will be able to fix the compulsiveness and psychopathology which causes criminality in the first place.
Vendicar_Decarian
3.5 / 5 (8) Aug 08, 2012
It is good to see them putting the cameras where the real
crooks are.
DavidW
3 / 5 (10) Aug 08, 2012
It is good to see them putting the cameras where the real
crooks are.


CSPAN
Didymus
1.7 / 5 (7) Aug 09, 2012
TheGhostofOtto1923:
"Excellent. We are fast approaching a threshold beyond which crime will be impossible. Everything of value will be tagged and their state and location constantly monitored."

I do like to see a good sense of humour on the forum. After all, no one could seriously mean this.

No one wants crime but I imagine most people still want choice. Otherwise we might as well legalise the death penalty for thinking the wrong thing or, for instance, typing the wrong thing on a forum - but then it was only a joke. Too late my implanted monitor has already tried, found guilty, sentenced and executed me. Farewell, brave new world.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (21) Aug 09, 2012
@DD

Your psyche is flooded with 20th century social propaganda. What choice do you think a psychotic has when the voices tell him to kill? What choice do his victims have? If we can fix the obvious defects or damage in brains which cause crime, then that's what we should do. Better yet we should PREVENT them from occurring in people in the first place.

We already treat them with drugs and therapy and incarceration, none of which work. What choices do inmates have?

And personal networks are inevitable. We already monitor people with ankle bracelets. we put RFIDs in our pets. People will want networks installed in their kids to prevent them from being kidnapped. People will want to monitor their own health in realtime. Our vehicles are already monitored by onstar.

These systems will only get more complex. Soon everything of value WILL be monitored, and successfully stealing or damaging them will be impossible.
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TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (21) Aug 09, 2012
Its funny - people object to speedcams and so cops have to risk their lives and the lives of the public pursuing speeders. So we can CHOOSE to break the law if we think we can get away with it.

Much of crime involves the tribal dynamic - crimes against other groups, gangs, religions, ethnicities, are not perceived as crimes. But western social engineering is mitigating these differences and seeking to instill the concept of a universal tribe over the entire species. This is reducing the desire to gain advantage by out-reproducing and overrunning the enemy. And overpopulation is the greatest source of disparity and suffering, and of the very worst of crimes: war and revolution.

But we will be left with the compulsion to commit crime and the lack of emotion which normally restrict most of us from doing harm. These are defects and they CAN be fixed. They can be prevented prenatally. They can and will be repaired before and after birth. Crime will largely disappear and we will be FREE.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (22) Aug 09, 2012
There are some very good Reasons why we have been encouraged to break the law in the last few generations. First, the direct result has been a huge increase in the size, power, and control of govts. This offers many advantages to western civilization, not the least of which being an enormous acceleration in the consumption of products that capitalism can produce.

Consumption generates competition which drives technological innovation. This is called Thruput. In retrospect it is this Thruput which energized the industrial revolution.

The 2nd Benefit from encouraging lawbreakers is to weed those with the propensity out of populations. Temptation is used to drive the Domestication of our species. Wheat from chaff.

Consumption is greatest during war. Gigantic govts controlling large populations and raw materials were essential in Machinating these conflicts. The Result has been an unprecedented Leap in the technological capabilities of the human race.
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TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (22) Aug 09, 2012
You are told that the opportunity to break the law is somehow a form of freedom. Lawbreakers provide their lawmaker counterparts with the excuse to make new laws and refine or abolish old ones, which is their main Raison d'etre, isnt it? Why would we need them unless they were doing these things?

This activity produces huge and very expensive govts. The legal and penal systems grow in concert, and millions of people can earn very good salaries running, supplying, and filling these institutions with hapless lawbreakers who were only exercising what they were convinced was their freedom to attempt to break the law. Lawbreakers are freed to break the law again. Their crimes victimize millions which in turn feeds the medical and security industries. Etc.

Crime can thus be seen as the single most important factor in driving the Progress of civilization. It is the Impetus for improvement. It is competition in its purest and most basic Form. Cont>
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (22) Aug 09, 2012
Leaders have appreciated the Benefits of enemies ever since marauders necessitated building walls around villages. Crime gives Leaders a reason to exist and to convince the people to suffer and sacrifice to support them.

It was only a small Leap for Them to realize that they could negotiate with the rulers of those marauding tribes, to Control when and how their threats were applied. Crime could be Controlled, Managed, and Machinated by Design.

The Benefits of Organized Crime to Leaders could be almost unimaginable. For it has always been the people who are the true enemies of rulers everywhere. In order to preserve civilization it behooved rulers to begin cooperating in the Management of their people.

A new Tribe emerged... a Tribe of Leaders, dedicated to preserving the human race in its best form (Leaders that is) in spite of the species' unique penchant for self-destruction.

So you see DD this is why you want to resist speedcams and internalized GPS and smartphones.
dtxx
2.4 / 5 (7) Aug 09, 2012
Interesting theory, but I have a very simple reason for opposing such measures. I really don't trust the people who have access to this information for official purposes not to use it for their own self interest. The applications could range from blackmail to who knows what... Unless you imagine shortly that a benevolent AI will be doing all of this? The exact penchant for destruction, malevolance, and everything else you mentioned is precisely why individuals need to be out from under the thumb of others. Your position inadvertently supports and enables the tendencies you seem to abhor. Do you really think the "Tribe of Leaders" will be lessened by more and more control over individuals? Or will it exacerbate the malevolent tendencies of those who become the elite class?
freethinking
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 09, 2012
Now New Yorkers can be safe from those that sell baby formula, plastic bags, and supersized single servings of soda.

Everyone else, please go along with your usual crimes.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (22) Aug 09, 2012
Interesting theory, but I have a very simple reason for opposing such measures. I really don't trust the people who have access to this information for official purposes not to use it for their own self interest.
More 20th century pap. You trust the criminals more then?
Unless you imagine shortly that a benevolent AI will be doing all of this?
Absolutely. Soon enough AI will be able to analyze and apply laws to specific legal cases and offer impartial judgements. In the meantime AI can certainly monitor us and our possessions and determine if anything is amiss.

This will all SHRINK govt. Laws will be crosschecked and rewritten by machine, and improprieties removed IMPARTIALLY. No more political subterfuge, which is after all criminal as well. No more submitting bills which are obviously unconstitutional and illegal. A machine wont allow it.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.2 / 5 (23) Aug 09, 2012
Your position inadvertently supports and enables the tendencies you seem to abhor.
Yeah I know. :)
Do you really think the "Tribe of Leaders" will be lessened by more and more control over individuals? Or will it exacerbate the malevolent tendencies of those who become the elite class?
The people, who are still under the throes of their tribalist predispositions and can NEVER be expected to sacrifice for anything beyond their own self-interest, CANNOT be expected to support the Greater Good.

Humans have always been able to ruin their environment and extinct themselves. Soon after the advent of agriculture, vast areas of the planet began to deterioriate. Arable land was ruined. Whole regions were deforested and desertified.

Civilizations which were able to establish themselves were quickly destroyed by the effects of overpopulation and the resulting conflict. City mounds dotted amidst barren landscapes from africa to central china attest to this. Humans were DOOMED.
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TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (23) Aug 09, 2012
And yet we are still here. Not only that but we thrive. We are at the point where we can colonize the inner solar system. WHY? People used to ponder this and conclude that it was Providence, the hand of some god or other.

But we know there is no god (right FT?) and so we have to look elsewhere for the source of our Salvation.

Early rulers kept meticulous records of communal food production and the resulting population growth. They had known for millenia what malthus acknowledged only recently. They WROTE about it.

They could see that no matter how benevolent or competent they were, the people would inevitably begin to suffer and starve; and they would blame their rulers for this.

With this in mind we can reexamine history for Evidence that Leaders Orchestrated methods of pitting populations against one another to domesticate them and keep their numbers in check.

And this is indeed what we see.
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dtxx
1.8 / 5 (6) Aug 09, 2012
I don't trust the criminals more. I don't really trust anyone to always make the best decisions. You'd rather trust a machine? Why would it be infallible? You claim not to believe in god, and I'm right there with you on that one, but you are elevating post-singularity AI to the status of a god.

There is something else I also don't expect - a life free from pain, suffering, brutality, and the self-interest of others. Consider for a second that over your life you will eat thousands if not millions of other organisms to survive. Something like what Hitler did is nothing compared to what we do to say chickens. (I'm NOT saying we shouldn't or bleeding from the heart for animal rights here, please don't take it as such). It is the consequence of our biology and evolution. Who precisely will design such a benevolent machine? Of course I know, it will design itself eventually. But where will it start and with what set of interest and values? What will guide its development?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (23) Aug 09, 2012
We can see how religions were concocted for specific Purposes, to Manage peoples in specific regions. We can examine wars and see how they were Planned, Prepared for, and Executed to accomplish very specific Goals.

We can understand as Leaders must have that wars and religions and economic collapse are absolutely Inevitable. But if they can be Planned to occur at the proper Time and in the proper Manner they can be used to effect social change of incalculable Value. They can be used to SAVE humanity instead of DESTROY it.

We have at last reached a point where population growth is under lasting control. There have been ONE BILLION ABORTIONS in the last 100 years. Family planning has resulted in perhaps 1/5 fewer people being born, which in turn has brought enduring peace to most of the world.

We can at last begin to throw off the last of the obsolete cultures; the religions, the politics, the economics, all created to bind us. This includes your antiquated notions of 'freedom'.
ValeriaT
3.2 / 5 (9) Aug 09, 2012
I do like to see a good sense of humor on the forum. After all, no one could seriously mean this.
If we extrapolate the trends of last twenty - thirty years, then this "humor" may suddenly appear like quite realistic perspective. For example, whole America gets willingly naked at the airport terminals because of fear of terrorist attacks - would you believe in 1970, something like this could ever happen?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (23) Aug 09, 2012
You'd rather trust a machine?...but you are elevating post-singularity AI to the status of a god.
You are repeating Terminator movie pap by rote. We already trust machines to feed us, transport us, keep us warm and safe. They are an extension of human REASON. They are DESIGNED to compensate and to circumvent our fallibilities, our weaknesses.
Who precisely will design such a benevolent machine?
We have all been designing them - it - since we made the first weapon. We just saw one land on mars. Machine minds will soon be operating our cars,planes, trains, ships. They will be operating on us better than any surgeon. Why not judge us as well?

We build prototypes, test them, fix their faults, and learn. Greasy politicians and lawyers are doomed, they just dont realize it yet.

Our machines ARE us. We build them because we cant improve ourselves fast enough.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (22) Aug 09, 2012
I do like to see a good sense of humor on the forum. After all, no one could seriously mean this.
If we extrapolate the trends of last twenty - thirty years, then this "humor" may suddenly appear like quite realistic perspective. For example, whole America gets willingly naked at the airport terminals because of fear of terrorist attacks - would you believe in 1970, something like this could ever happen?
Yeah just look at how the Terminator movies evolved. The Schwarzeneggar machine went from being an arch villain to humanity's greatest ally.

Hollywood is preparing us. As usual.
Satene
1 / 5 (4) Aug 10, 2012
Strange Theories About Why Americas Crime Rate Is So Low. The USA is still leader in international statistics of criminality, but bellow average in crimes per capita.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (22) Aug 10, 2012
http://io9.com/5933173/three-strange-theories-about-why-americas-crime-rate-is-so-low in international statistics of criminality, but bellow average in crimes per capita.
From your article:

"...if you compare US crime rates to those in European countries, you can see that crime has been rising in Europe as it declines in the US."

-I bet it may have something to do with their immigrant situation vs ours. They have less ability to absorb immigrants because they are already filled to capacity.

Plus, our immigrants are on the whole less prone to violence and crime than theirs. There were already sizable latino pops here for immigrants to join. Immigrating to the US is hard and only those with ambition and resourcefulness can get here.

To get to europe you get on a boat in north africa or you swim. Their multiculturalism has only reinforced the tribal instincts of islamists and others, who do not perceive victimizing outsiders as crime.
djustinblake
5 / 5 (1) Aug 11, 2012
this is actually rather terrifying. I think it is particularly scary that people are so willing to give up their right to be anonymous, for the potential at reducing crime. Once this goes away we as Americans most specifically will never regain this freedom of not being analyzed at every step.
djustinblake
5 / 5 (1) Aug 11, 2012
In response to many of the comments about breaking the law. Our Forefathers of this country, founded the country on breaking the law. As a matter of fact Benjamin Franklin was quoted saying that it is the PEOPLES responsibility to break any laws they feel to be unjust as a way to maintain our control over our country.
Rick150
1 / 5 (3) Aug 12, 2012
Bring it on, only out of the ashes will the new growth flourish. If you hold a precious fruit hard enough in your hand the juices will flow from your hand and you have lost what you seek to hold then you are left with the opposite of what you intended to protect. Projecting a climate of fear only lasts so long then what you seek to protect will become your own fear itself. Camera's are so easy in your every day movements to block, just like DNA, so easy to corrupt. Stupid methods to control only the stupid. Hey lets make a law to tap communications and tell everybody so the stupid will be only the ones we catch. Bring on societies demise I say, a good clean out makes the forest grow greener, the idiot law makers sure are helping it along.
Ensa
not rated yet Aug 12, 2012
There is a storm coming.
Shootist
1 / 5 (4) Aug 12, 2012
New York police launch high-tech surveillance

Liberal is as liberal does.
Caliban
1 / 5 (1) Aug 13, 2012
New York police launch high-tech surveillance

Liberal is as liberal does.


Hey shooty -nice oxymoron there. When is the last time you encountered a "liberal" Police Department?

Oh, I know --never.

Try using your brain a little next time before you perform your kneejerk label-pasting trick, OK?
fully attached
1 / 5 (3) Aug 13, 2012
the ones that want this implemented are trustworthy? peoples' current psychological makeup are nothing but the results of a flawed societal base. religion and money are the roots of the reasons why someone would want to come up with this monitoring system. the monitors also impact religious and monetary values. get rid of religion and money and the need for such monitoring will be eliminated.