Studies dispel claims of 'shadow biosphere' on Earth

Jul 16, 2012 By Faye Flam

A few scientists have argued that descendants of an alternative origin of life may still lurk in a "shadow biosphere" somewhere here on Earth. It's an intriguing idea, but the search for the shadow inhabitants is becoming the Bigfoot hunt of microbiology.

Not that Bigfoot isn't potentially exciting. But there isn't much convincing evidence that one exists and it's hard to know where a viable population could live without being squeezed out of existence by modern humans. Likewise, the real biosphere leaves little room for a shadow one. All ever observed shows the DNA signature of common .

Last week, two teams of researchers published refutations of one of the most striking claims allegedly supporting the shadow biosphere. The original claim came out in December 2010 when scientists suggested at a news conference that from California's -rich Mono Lake either came from a shadow biosphere or at least helped bolster the notion that it might exist.

The lead researcher, Felisa Wolfe-Simon, compared the importance of her work to the original discovery of the by Watson and Crick. It seemed like quite a grand comparison to make if they didn't actually have a shadow biospherian. In some statements, the Wolfe-Simon team implied they knew their bacteria weren't part of a shadow biosphere, but they considered it weird enough to lend credibility to the idea.

Except that it wasn't that weird. They claimed that the substituted arsenic for phosphorus in their DNA, and in their news conference implied their microbe needed no phosphorus and ate arsenic like it was ice cream.

It's textbook knowledge that all living things require six elements: carbon, nitrogen, , oxygen, sulfur and phosphorus. While the researchers were vague about whether the organism lived without any phosphorus, a news release from NASA definitely said it did. NASA even used the title: "Get out your biology textbook ... and an eraser."

Some biologists consider the episode a failure on NASA's part as well as on the part of the journal Science for publishing the original findings.

Felisa Wolfe-Simon has maintained that she's right, but she's not particularly clear which part she's still right about. What become clear last week was that the new papers, just published in Science, refute any part of the original claim that would have made it remotely exciting. Biologists weren't surprised by the refutation, since most who read the paper said the team never produced data to support their shadow biosphere-related claims in the first place.

It's unfortunate that other more interesting and established findings haven't attracted the public's attention, said Cornell University biologist John Helmann. He has just published a review paper describing the variety of "austerity measures" that life has evolved to adapt to shortages of essential chemical elements - the building blocks of matter found in the periodic table. "It's fascinating the extent to which organisms have evolved mechanisms to optimize growth despite the limited availability of essential elements," he said.

One organism described in his review adapted to a high-cadmium environment by substituting that toxic metal for zinc. And the Lyme disease bacteria has adapted to life without iron, he said. "But that's not being used to invoke the shadow biosphere." Of course, invoking the shadow biosphere is what produced the fawning press attention to the Mono Lake findings.

A shadow biosphere would be a godsend for NASA, helping them narrow down their definition of life, and thereby figure out what to look for on other planets. NASA defines life as any self-replicating system that can undergo Darwinian evolution, but it would be helpful to know just how different alien life might look from our own.

University of British Columbia biologist Rosie Redfield, who authored one of the papers refuting the arsenic-based life claim, said the Mono Lake organisms were growing on small amounts of phosphorus that contaminated the medium in which they were kept in the lab. She and another team got samples of the same bacteria used by the Wolfe-Simon team and with more precise measurement techniques showed that there was no arsenic in the organisms' DNA. They also showed that the bugs didn't grow without .

But even if Wolfe-Simon's controversial findings had been confirmed, its DNA proves it's not part of a shadow biosphere but a product of adaptation. That's exactly the kind of adaptability that would make it hard for a shadow biosphere to compete with life as we know it. It's possible that different forms of life once coexisted, but today, just one kind of life with one origin seems to occupy all possible habitats. Anywhere there is a source of energy and the right elements, people are finding DNA-based life - a mile underground, buried in permanently frozen lakes, and even in nuclear reactors.

"What people forget is that the known biosphere is so flexible and versatile that it can adapt to almost anything, which rules out the niche that a shadow one could use," said Brandeis University biologist Gregory Petsko.

If there was another biosphere, I'm betting it got crowded out by the one we see now, he said, the same way Neanderthals and various other human cousins were displaced by modern humans.

Unless, that is, you believe in Bigfoot.

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kevinrtrs
Jul 17, 2012
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nuge
4.1 / 5 (9) Jul 17, 2012
"Common design"? Oh for shit's sake...
ubavontuba
3.6 / 5 (17) Jul 17, 2012
Since evolutionists have no idea where or how life came to earth, they cannot categorically state that common descend is true. There is no concrete proof that life started off as a single celled organism - no one knows scientifically how life started/arrived on earth - and hence there's always the possibility that life arrived in fully formed shape without the improbable need to "evolve" from one common ancestor to all other forms.

Common design cannot be ruled out except on philosophical grounds. As a result, it's always possible to interpret the existing evidence as supporting the idea of a common design instead of a common descend.
What evidence do you propose which supports this claim? Where is the designer?

The problem with creationists is they demand their concepts be accepted and respected on par with actual science, without like regard to science.

It's true the origin of life is unknown, but to pretend you know the origin without evidence is a fallacy.

alfie_null
2.8 / 5 (6) Jul 17, 2012
K argues in support of a not particularly competent god, one unable to orchestrate a complex system of processes and rules, those processes running over billions of years. He is skilled at being offensive to both Christians and atheists.
Moebius
2.1 / 5 (11) Jul 17, 2012
All life ever observed shows the DNA signature of common ancestry.

...or a common designer...


All you intelligent design people are proponents because you have absolutely no knowledge of the design.

You are like my mother being shown 2 taillights from the 60's and asking her to tell you which one is a Chevy and which is a Rambler and which is better. If you were intimately familiar with the design of us humans you would realize that it is actually a really poor design, closer to a model T than a modern car relatively speaking. There are so many design flaws in us I would need much more space to list them and I'm not even a doctor. Which, again, makes god either inept or a jokester, neither godlike qualities. If we were intelligently designed, the designer was an apprentice, not a master craftsman.
panorama
1.8 / 5 (5) Jul 17, 2012
Which, again, makes god either inept or a jokester, neither godlike qualities.

Maybe we were all made in the image of Loki.
SoylentGrin
4 / 5 (4) Jul 17, 2012
An engineering student could come up with a better design for the human body, but IDers want us to believe this is what an all-knowing, all-powerful entity with eternity to play with came up with.
If true, it would make us not just the dregs of its thoughts, but purposefully given lousy design flaws. That speaks of malevolence and contempt, but it's somehow supposed to be more comforting than us being the result of a natural process.
I don't think so.
EWH
2 / 5 (3) Jul 17, 2012
The idea that the commonalities in DNA proves the common descent hypothesis ignores the fact of horizontal gene transfer between species, which was and is especially common among single-celled organisms. The same conditions that allowed for the formation of the first cell continued to hold for a long, long time. Multiple instances of cell formation should have occurred, and due to the similar environment and the limitations of chemistry in that environment, they would all have used something very close to RNA/DNA/peptides and often would evolve similar genes due to the constraints of the necessary basic biochemical processes needed for life in this class of environments. They would also have cross-bred to a greater or lesser extent, mostly obscuring their separate origins. Likewise, multiple instances of panspermia are possible, and if it occurs at all, it could occur in different ages. (For instance, fungi seem weird enough that they might have a separate origin.)
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
3.3 / 5 (7) Jul 17, 2012
The "crowded out" or eaten prediction is what Darwin realized explained the absence of a current process from chemical to biological life.

Deist and Templeton winner Davies is behind the idea of a shadow biosphere. My (untestable) idea is that he knows that biologists find specific traits like human language capability or the elephant trunk rare. Hence by having exoplanetary life more likely, he will elevate deist claims of human uniqueness.

Creationists shouldn't comment on science. We have an embarrasment of richness of theories how the process from chemical to biological evolution occurs. The area is moving to the problem of testing them to cut the options down! [/huge laughter]

And no, design isn't an alternative, appearance of design is a consequence of observed evolution. (If it wasn't, the well known problem that multiple designers are more likely when evolution doesn't tie species together pops up - google Multiple Design Theory. So no go.)
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
3 / 5 (4) Jul 17, 2012
@ ubavontuba:

"It's true the origin of life is unknown".

No, we know the origin of life, it comes out of chemical evolution - it is the only realistic known process. Already Darwin knew that, and he explained why (current life eats new attempts).

Added to that, there is a very definite overlap between increasing hydrocarbon complexity and the similar process in CO2/H2 autotrophy. The trait phylogeny between catalysts in chemical evolution and enzymes in metabolic evolution goes over PP/ATP phosphorylation, and is mirrored in the protein fold phylogeny that now go all the way back to the RNA/protein world before the DNA LUCA. ["The evolution and functional repertoire of translation proteins following the origin of life", Goldman et al, Biology Direct 2010; and more like that.]
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
3.4 / 5 (5) Jul 17, 2012
[cont] Protocell membranes occur spontaneously for thermodynamical reasons (partly entropic driven, partly hydrophobic forces). RNA seems to derive from coupling to ATP chemistry, but can also be selected by the common crust element iron (loves to associate with rock minerals) - recent results shows that it bumps up RNA catalysis an order of magnitude in anoxic conditions of early terrestrials.

Finally, RNA replicators are eager, and need to be encapsulated by membranes to copy "self" preferentially. We also know how they can be made long enough for this.

So we have all the pieces in the puzzle, and more. The problem is to lay it, which is why the area has moved towards testing.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
3.4 / 5 (5) Jul 17, 2012
@ EWH: It is a fact that while the DNA LUCA is the best observation of all of science, ~ 10^2000 (!) against multiple CAs, the phylogenies that reach beyond it (see my link in a previous comment; there is also work on core CO2 autotrophic metabolism phylogenies) only works on a tropic level. I.e. we can't distinguish between more or less self-sufficient populations of cells and confederations of cell "types".

I would say that the same phylogenies shows that horizontal gene transfer is not too much obscuring modern lineages when you use near complete genome data. I've seen estimates that on average every gene has been subject to HGT once. That is not too much over 4 billion years. But when you go way back and meet those semipermeable protocell membranes, or even for chemical metabolic like evolution before that, confederations becomes most likely.

Certainly the speed with which life appeared on Earth shows there were no deterministic barrier. Easy and/or frequent attempts.
julianpenrod
3.3 / 5 (16) Jul 21, 2012
The japery of The Creator of all being "judged" by individuals whose purposes and understanding are so limited in comparison to His they couldn't even be called miniscule. Lilke the aborigine who doesn't understand gun powder "judging" a gun to be a very badly designed hammer!
God wants the world to proceed on its own. He doesn't want to announce His presence with a neon sign that so undoubtedly proves His presence since that can ruin many people's sense of spontaneity. He prefers to act subtly, engaging the insights of those who can sense the subtle as well as the overt. An individual who flies off the handle at an innocent missing his train because a branch on the road gets caught in the chassis. A never before encountered situation and even though it may occur hours after the infraction, connecting them demonstrates the kind of regular self examination God wants.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (30) Jul 21, 2012
All life ever observed shows the DNA signature of common ancestry.
But from what I understand we can only study the microbial life that we are able to grow in the lab, which is a very small percentage of what actually exists. So who knows?
God wants the world to proceed on its own. He doesn't want to announce His presence with a neon sign
Yeah but from what we can tell god is at best completely superfluous. And why would any self-respecting god-of-all create a universe in which he is unnecessary?

Scientists are the only people capable of telling us whether god exists or not. Because religionists would keep on insisting that he did, even if he didnt. Wouldnt they?
God wants the world to proceed on its own.
Did he tell you this? Of COURSE he did.
julianpenrod
3.6 / 5 (14) Jul 21, 2012
So many "experts smarter than God" criticize Him for the faulty nature of the human body. The human body is not so faulty. The breakdowns are signs of personal infractions against God's will, the body being prone to such breakdowns, but never having them inevitable, is intended to allow for imposing these penalties for violations. They can even be assigned by the infraction, though those who incurred such things will disagree. Cancer from depraved indifference; heart problems from constant lying; Alzheimer's from back stabbing; stroke from trying to twist people's thinking; diabetes from general cheap, bargain basement malignance. Even the common cold comes from losing faith in God. And, since all sin comes from losing faith in God, that's why ailments usually start with "cold and flu like symptoms". Even death has never been proved a necessity. Yes, some treatments can cure some ills, since, while ill, many can't concentrate on bettering themselves.
julianpenrod
3.7 / 5 (15) Jul 21, 2012
Again TheGhostofOtto1923 presuming to have the credentials to judge God.
How easily TheGhostofOtto1923 acts like it makes no sense for someone to say they can derive God's purpose, but someone claims to understand the nature of a particle that supposedly gives matter mass even though they never saw it and TheGhostofOtto1923 accepts it without a second look!
"Psychologists" emphasize individuals in their "experiments" acting completely on their own, unaware they're being viewed or studied. But, at the end, the "psychologists" will use the results. They do not insert themselves into their "experiments", but they have a purpose for them!
As I pointed out, God values sulbtlety and insight.
And, as I pointed out, God is the name of an individual and so shoiuld be capitalized. Not capitalizing it is the act of someone who knows God is real but they are so leprous they refuse to capitalize His name out of spite. Even if not capitalizing God's name does no good.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (31) Jul 21, 2012
They can even be assigned by the infraction, though those who incurred such things will disagree. Cancer from depraved indifference; heart problems from constant lying; Alzheimer's from back stabbing; stroke from trying to twist people's thinking; diabetes from general cheap, bargain basement malignance.
I don't know Julie it sounds a lot like voodoo to me. I have not yet found anything about chicken feet in the bible although there is a lot about pigs.
How easily TheGhostofOtto1923 acts like it makes no sense for someone to say they can derive God's purpose
Well since the book describes a lot of things for which only contrary evidence exists, it appears his purpose could only be to confound and confuse. And deceive.
And, as I pointed out, God is the name of an individual and so shoiuld be capitalized.
-And as I pointed out, in order to afford him the Proper Respect, gods name should only ever be written G_d. Any one of gods true people will tell you this.
julianpenrod
3.2 / 5 (13) Jul 21, 2012
More doggerel by The GhostofOtto1923, just to keep trying for the last word, another New World Order tactic, since their target audience think getting the last word makes you right.
TheGhostofOtto1923 calls different infractions in life producing different diseases "voodoo", presumably in a pejorative attempt to depict unseen forces acting. But, since God controls the seen and the unseen, being a manifestation of unseen forces does not count against it.
For all that TheGhostofOtto1923 puts on an air of indignation at religion in general, they seem fixated solely on Old Testament Judaism, talking about pig meat and not including the vowel in the name of God. But, if including the vowel, even with a capital "g", is as disrespectful as TheGhostofOtto1923 claims, why don't they write God's name in full? Because TheGhostofOtto1923 considers that form respectful and writing it with a lowercase "g" disrespectful.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.3 / 5 (12) Jul 21, 2012
@julianpenrod
Well said, julian. But your pearls are tossed before swine and are confusing to those who don't seek the truth, and anathema to those who don't wish the truth to be so.
Without God coming up to them while riding on a white steed and thousands of angels behind him, swine will continue to look down on you and believe themselves to be so much smarter because, after all, "seeing is believing". But, they do believe that a bunch of chemicals and water, maybe a bit of lightning, all came together to create our ancestors in a thick soup.
OOOOPS....did I say that blasphemous word, "create"?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (30) Jul 21, 2012
TheGhostofOtto1923 considers that form respectful and writing it with a lowercase "g" disrespectful.
I guess Julian is not aware that orthodox Jews, whom his god loves MUCH more than Julian, believe that even discarding the name of god in cyberspace is disrespectful to god. It's like flushing the US flag only worse. Lots.

If julien knew more about the other religions he would begin to see how silly they all are, including his. Which would be funny if the evil that they ALL do, including his, weren't so tragic.
Well said, julian. But your pearls are tossed before swine and are confusing to those who don't seek the truth
Is that the sound of a lying dweeb sucking up to gain allies? Sucksuck. You're nothing BUT foul arent you?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (30) Jul 21, 2012
Julian - if your god didn't promise to grant your wishes and give you eternal life, do you think you would still love him quite as much? Would you be quite so offended if unbelievers disrespected him?

Funny - my spellchecker capitalizes your name but not gods. Maybe pagans wrote the program? Maybe Satan is running the switchboard yes?

Hey Julian - Satan is supposed to be smarter than any human right? If he did have a Grand Plan for corrupting the world, would we really expect him to appear as a big nasty red guy with horns?

Or might we expect him instead to appear as the purest, kindest, most loving creature you could imagine, who would promise people outrageous things like immortality in return for hating others just like themselves, and fighting and killing and torturing them just because he says so? And making far more babies than they can possibly support, just because he says so?

We should expect to recognize Satan not by what he says, but by what he causes people to do eh?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (31) Jul 21, 2012
Don't you think? Julian?

But not to worry - as neither Satan nor god exists, this is not a problem. The only PROBLEM we have, is with all the people who think that they DO exist, and who are willing to kill and die for the chance to reside forever in gods loving arms.

It is easy to imagine that Satan is the god of those who disagree with you isn't it? Hint - they think EXACTLY the same thing about your god and you. Satan MUST have thought this all up.

Hey Julian - spellcheck capitalizes Satans name also. You better make some phonecalls.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.5 / 5 (13) Jul 21, 2012
@julianpenrod
There are some who will try to dissuade you from following your faith in God. He or they are all little irrelevant people who pose as the mighty defenders against the people of faith, while they are also defending aberrant behavior as natural and moral. I've seen babies born and seen people die and I've seen people in horrible pain that you'd have to wonder why they want to keep on breathing. But it never shook my faith in God because I know He doesn't interfere in the affairs of mankind for a good reason... because we are too imperfect. We are merely experimental...and those of us who pass the "test" will not perish with the others who fail. You know yourself that there are certain laws that we have to live by...and if we don't observe and pay attention to those laws, we will die. I'm not talking about the death of our cells...more in a spiritual sense.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.5 / 5 (11) Jul 21, 2012
I don't see the point in writing this article at all. It's only a painful reminder to the Wolfe-Simon team, if they chance to read it, that they messed up big time. And talking about a "shadow biosphere" title gives the wrong impression after just reading the headline that there is something almost like a haunting going on like a "ghost" underground. After reading the whole text, it gave me a feeling that I've wasted my time reading it....it's already old news that Wolfe-Simon was a failure.

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (29) Jul 22, 2012
I've seen babies born and seen people die and I've seen people in horrible pain that you'd have to wonder why they want to keep on breathing. But it never shook my faith in God because I know He doesn't interfere
Funny you've never expressed your faith in god before despite the frequent discussions. I must conclude you're completely full of shit. /sucking sounds /sucksuck
After reading the whole text, it gave me a feeling that I've wasted my time reading it....it's already old news that Wolfe-Simon was a failure.
And you've wasted our time posting about it didn't you? I see your sockpuppets are busy updating you. God would frown on such slimy behavior.
....it's already old news that Wolfe-Simon was a failure.
How would you know? troll
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (27) Jul 22, 2012
Pussy thinks god approves when he/she/it sends PMs such as

"So what is the REAL reason why you keep coming after me? Is it that you would like to make love to me. If I gave you my picture, you would probably cum all over yourself.

Here you go, sweetie pie....animal husbandry in the oceans..."

-followed a few links. Pussy argues that her bf sent this. But her bf wasn't part of the discussion. Why would he be posting links pertaining to it?

Pussy/Ritchieguy/pirouette/russkiye/Jeannie the smutty, lying, flooding dimwit. Julian is praying for your soul.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.1 / 5 (11) Jul 22, 2012
@ ghostofottoblotto
That is correct - as I have explained to you in another earlier thread, the care of mammals that swim in the oceans is also called "animal husbandry" since they are mammals just as much as cows and horses. Your refusal to believe what I've explained to you is your hard luck, not mine.

My boyfriend has access to my computer when he comes to my house since he doesn't have his own computer and ISP. He reads all of my posts and he saw what an asshole you are. We both had a good laugh after he sent the PM to you

As far as my religious affiliations - it's none of your damned business. I don't advertise my faith in God in a public forum. I have always gone to church services and I have a deep,, abiding faith in the Creator. I can only feel nothing for your lack of faith and/or belief in Him. Again, that is YOUR hard luck.

Your persistence in calling me Ritchie only reinforces my opinion that you are insane and that you have a thing for this Ritchie that is sexual.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.2 / 5 (10) Jul 22, 2012
quote TheGhostofOtto1923 9 hours ago Rank: not rated yet I've seen babies born and seen people die and I've seen people in horrible pain that you'd have to wonder why they want to keep on breathing. But it never shook my faith in God because I know He doesn't interfere Funny you've never expressed your faith in god before despite the frequent discussions. I must conclude you're completely full of shit. /sucking sounds /sucksuck After reading the whole text, it gave me a feeling that I've wasted my time reading it....it's already old news that Wolfe-Simon was a failure. And you've wasted our time posting about it didn't you? I see your sockpuppets are busy updating you. God would frown on such slimy behavior. ....it's already old news that Wolfe-Simon was a failure. How would you know? troll - Blotto

I don't need sock puppets and I have none. Your insistence that I would bother creating such things is another sign of your insanity and your delusion about Ritchie.

Debra Ann
PussyCat_Eyes
2.5 / 5 (11) Jul 22, 2012
"/sucking sounds /sucksuck" says TheGhostofOtto1923.
This is another clear indication of why he so desperately wants me to be that RitchieGuy person that Blotto has been desperately searching for. I don't know how long he has been searching, but it is now apparent to me that Blotto's above quote means that he either wanted, or actually had a sexual relationship with RitchieGuy and has lost him.

Perhaps RitchieGuy didn't want to have a "sucksuck" from TheGhostofOtto1923 and has left Phys.org to get away from him. I have done a search for a RitchieGuy to send him a PM and found out that his name has been deleted. Somehow, I have a feeling that he was disgusted with Theghostofotto1923 and just wanted to get away from him so he wouldn't ever be bothered again. Maybe he had other things on his mind, but this proves to me that TheGhostofOtto1923 is a HOMOSEXUAL, as well as suffering from Dissociate Identity Disorder and the permanent version of Dunning-Kruger Effect. How sad is that?

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (29) Jul 23, 2012
I have always gone to church services and I have a deep,, abiding faith in the Creator.
Here is another pathological liar

"David Kwiatkowski, the Canton native and former medical technician charged with spreading his hepatitis C to dozens of unsuspecting patients by stealing their drugs to get high, was a pathological liar who knew he had hepatitis C, according to a damning FBI report.

Documents portray Kwiatkowski as living in a fantasy world where he told friends he played baseball at the University of Michigan, had a fiance who tragically died, and was battling cancer. All those were lies, the FBI said."

-Pathological liars can be very dangerous.
As far as my religious affiliations - it's none of your damned business. I don't advertise my faith in God in a public forum.
-Except when useful for sucking up to real religionists.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.6 / 5 (10) Jul 23, 2012
Oh lookie, GhostofBlotto.....I did a search on your "sucksuck" and here's 2 out of thousands of sites for your "sucksuck". You can pretend that your RitchieGuy is in the videos and the pictures. Have fun, asshole.

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A horny hunk pleases his partner with a sloppy blowjob.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (31) Jul 23, 2012
Hey thanks. Im going to reference this post every time you post anywhere on this site. As evidence for the kind of person you are.

My god you are stupid.
PussyCat_Eyes
2.5 / 5 (11) Jul 25, 2012
Hey thanks. Im going to reference this post every time you post anywhere on this site. As evidence for the kind of person you are.

My god you are stupid.
- blotto

Well, I did you a favor giving you those porn links since YOU are the one that continues to call me the RitchieGuy you have been so full of desire for, even though I've told you a hundred times that I am female and that my name is Debra Ann. YOU are the one who completely ignores the fact that I am NOT your man, RitchieGuy, and you continue to harass me in every thread with your lies and strange talk. It is apparent that you hesitate to "come out" of the closet and your queer feelings for RitchieGuy has made you more than just mentally ill. You also seem to have a hatred of women, and thus your insistence on verbal abuse and lies. You are aware of what you've been doing to some extent, but your mental illness prevents you from ceasing your stupidity because you are having such fun doing it. Another sign of illness.