Toward super-size wind turbines: Bigger wind turbines do make greener electricity

Jun 20, 2012
Toward super-size wind turbines: Bigger wind turbines do make greener electricity

In a study that could solidify the trend toward construction of gigantic windmills, scientists have concluded that the larger the wind turbine, the greener the electricity it produces. Their report appears in ACS' journal Environmental Science & Technology.

Marloes Caduff and colleagues point out that wind power is an increasingly popular source of electricity. It provides almost 2 percent of global electricity worldwide, a figure expected to approach 10 percent by 2020. The size of the turbines also is increasing.

One study shows that the average size of commercial turbines has grown 10-fold in the last 30 years, from diameters of 50 feet in 1980 to nearly 500 feet today. On the horizon: super-giant turbines approaching 1,000 feet in diameter. The authors wanted to determine whether building larger turbines makes wind energy more or less environmentally friendly.

Their study showed that bigger turbines do produce greener — for two main reasons. First, manufacturers now have the knowledge, experience and technology to build big with great efficiency. Second, advanced materials and designs permit the efficient construction of large turbine blades that harness more wind without proportional increases in their mass or the masses of the tower and the nacelle that houses the generator. That means more clean power without large increases in the amount of material needed for construction or fuel needed for transportation.

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More information: “Wind Power Electricity: The Bigger the Turbine, The Greener the Electricity?” Environ. Sci. Technol., 2012, 46 (9), pp 4725–4733. DOI: 10.1021/es204108n

Abstract
Wind energy is a fast-growing and promising renewable energy source. The investment costs of wind turbines have decreased over the years, making wind energy economically competitive to conventionally produced electricity. Size scaling in the form of a power law, experience curves and progress rates are used to estimate the cost development of ever-larger turbines. In life cycle assessment, scaling and progress rates are seldom applied to estimate the environmental impacts of wind energy. This study quantifies whether the trend toward larger turbines affects the environmental profile of the generated electricity. Previously published life cycle inventories were combined with an engineering-based scaling approach as well as European wind power statistics. The results showed that the larger the turbine is, the greener the electricity becomes. This effect was caused by pure size effects of the turbine (micro level) as well as learning and experience with the technology over time (macro level). The environmental progress rate was 86%, indicating that for every cumulative production doubling, the global warming potential per kWh was reduced by 14%. The parameters, hub height and rotor diameter were identified as Environmental Key Performance Indicators that can be used to estimate the environmental impacts for a generic turbine.

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NotParker
2.7 / 5 (20) Jun 20, 2012
"making wind energy economically competitive to conventionally produced electricity."

Nonsense.

UK: No more subsidies.

Future Windfarms: "Arrghhh. You killed me!"

Taking an axe to these subsidies will be welcomed across the country. A policy that subsidises rich landowners, gives money to the big six energy companies, hinders growth and puts tens of thousands into fuel poverty is completely barking.
http://thegwpf.or...cut.html
xen_uno
2.7 / 5 (20) Jun 20, 2012
Wind is green alrite ... as green as all the money in subsidies needed to make it competitive. Wind farms are a sprawling eyesore that leak oil, that damage acoustically, that are harmful to flora and fauna alike, and require an infrastructure of high tension lines and support roads that are only green in the eyes of the stockholders. It's a big swindle whose peddlers I hope disappear once Obama is removed from office.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.5 / 5 (13) Jun 20, 2012
Taking an axe to these subsidies will be welcomed across the country.
Wennschon dennschon.

"Environmentalists have rallied around a new, simple goal. As the Earth Summit gets underway in Rio de Janeiro, theyre asking the worlds nations to scrap the $775 billion spent each year subsidizing oil, gas, and coal...The idea of repeal first came up in 2009, when leaders at the G-20 summit pledged to phase out fossil fuel subsidies over the next decade...global subsidies have nearly tripled since 2009 from $300 billion to $775 billion."
Wind farms are a sprawling eyesore that leak oil, that damage acoustically, that are harmful to flora and fauna alike, and require an infrastructure of high tension lines and support roads that are only green in the eyes of the stockholders.
This sounds like fossil fuel to me.
http://www.wired....y_mines/
Terriva
1.5 / 5 (16) Jun 20, 2012
the larger the wind turbine, the greener the electricity it produces
This study claims the opposite: large turbine is mixing air layers, it prohibits the atmospheric circulation and it causes droughts, for example in Texas. The only green energy is the cold fusion energy.
A2G
4 / 5 (11) Jun 20, 2012
Check the original story as it appeared in the Daily Telegraph and then read the comments of UK citizens beneath it.

http://www.telegr...cut.html

Wind farms are a scam to make the rich richer. That said from a man who lives in Palm Springs where we have the ideal place for windmills due to the mountains funneling the wind through a small area. It may work here, but still only if subsidized. How in hell is it going to work most other places?

I am all for making the world a cleaner and better place, but we have to do it through the truth and not bs for $$$$$.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (12) Jun 20, 2012
claims the opposite: large turbine is mixing air layers, it prohibits the atmospheric circulation and it causes droughts, for example
I wonder what open pit strip mine operations of equivalent acreage do? Including railways and shipyards to transport the stuff, pipelines, tankers, power plants, etc.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Jun 20, 2012
Shale oil
"A full-scale project to develop oil shale would require heavy investment and could potentially leave businesses vulnerable should the oil price drop and the cost of producing the oil would exceed the price they could obtain for the oil.

Due to the volatile prices and high capital costs few deposits can be exploited economically without subsidies...Development of oil shale resources will require significant quantities of water for mine and plant operations, reclamation, supporting infrastructure, and associated economic growth. Above-ground retorting typically consumes between one and five barrels of water per barrel of produced shale oil..."

A2G
2.8 / 5 (11) Jun 20, 2012
Terriva, I agree that cold fusion is the future. In fact I work in that field currently. But guys like Rossi give cold fusion a bad name and make it hard for legitimate researchers to not be regarded as scams like Rossi. Rossi is a scam or deluded. I will stake my very life on it after reviewing his "data" and how he presents it. This is not the way a legitimate discovery would be handled at all. He has a history of not delivering and lying. He still is.
A2G
2.7 / 5 (7) Jun 20, 2012
Terriva, the demo at MIT and the "excess energy" will turn out to be due to some yet unknown mistake. Remember the faster than light neutrinos? Whoops just a loose connection. I really believe the MIT one is the same kind of basic mistake. Otherwise there would be lots of backing for it by now at MIT and the US gov. Obama would be all over this to make himself look good.

Simple logic sometimes should be used. A truly self powered and self sustaining reaction would be very easy to prove to "peers" and not the general public. Again, just as Rossi, this is not the way one would go about presenting a breakthrough like this.
Terriva
1.2 / 5 (5) Jun 20, 2012
I work in that field currently
I do appreciate it.
But guys like Rossi give cold fusion a bad name
IMO Rossi's claims (COP ~ 6) doesn't differ from claims of Piantelli/Focardi (COP ~ 3). For me it's infinitesimal difference and it corresponds the twenty years standing research in this area. In addition, prof. Hagelstein from MIT claims COP over 14, so I don't see problem with Rossi at all. He fits his E-Cat into these limits comfortably.
xen_uno
5 / 5 (10) Jun 20, 2012
Guess it's not possible to debate alt energy topics without the cold fusion farce creeping in.
Terriva
1.1 / 5 (9) Jun 20, 2012
Guess it's not possible to debate alt energy topics without the cold fusion farce creeping in.
The implementation of cold fusion will make all alternative research and methods of energy production/conversion/transport and/or storage economically nonsensical, not to say about ecology (and the wind plants will be the first ones, because they're unreliable and they're loading grid heavily). Most of mainstream physicists are somehow engaged in this competitive research. IMO it's the main reason, why the mainstream physics ignores the cold fusion as a single man for twenty years: no one wants to lost his own job "just" because of cold fusion.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (8) Jun 20, 2012
Rossi is a scam or deluded. I will stake my very life on it after reviewing his "data" and how he presents it.
You must not value life very much at all. Rossi has competition and is understandably cautious about disclosure, as anyone with an easy-to-copy breakout technology might be. These guys:

"Today, Defkalion, the Greek break-way from Andrea Rossi, announced the pre-industrial prototype specs for their Hyperion, which is described as a 5 kW heat-producing, chemically-assisted, low-energy nuclear reactor. They are negotiating licensing contracts for its rollout, expected to reach the market in 2012."

List of LENR startups is growing:

Two leading:
Leonardo corporation
Defkalion

New kids on the block:
AmpEnergo
Seldon Technologies
Lattice Energy
Brillouin Energy Corporation
Energetics Technology
Star Scientific
SynergetX HP B.V.
Marwan Chemie
Global Energy Corp.

-I am not saying that rossi is not a flim flam artist, just that his actions may be understandable.
xen_uno
3.9 / 5 (7) Jun 20, 2012
C'mon now ... maybe there is SOMETHING going on at the atomic level regarding cold fusion (but I say it's a matter of chemistry, not physics). Particles pop in and out of the universe all the time, which is strange enough. Alas tho, it's not a question of research dollars, it's a question of whether its reproducible, and more importantly, is there any science behind it? I think not. To call lack of interest in CF a conspiracy is laughable, it's the fact that there's not enough evidence that fusion is occurring to gain traction.
Terriva
1.1 / 5 (7) Jun 20, 2012
To call lack of interest in CF a conspiracy is laughable
Who talks about conspiracy here? The ignorance of cold fusion is widespread. Although there were organized actions against it (and they still are), I do believe, most of physicists are simply dismissive ignorants in the same way, like you. The people don't need any rational reason for to dismiss evolution, aether theory or cold fusion. Do you feel organized with someone? Are you financed with fossil fuel lobby? It would be too smart stance for you. Your ignorance doesn't help anyone here, neither it helps you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Jun 20, 2012
Particles pop in and out of the universe all the time, which is strange enough.
LENR is not zero point energy.
Alas tho, it's not a question of research dollars, it's a question of whether its reproducible
It is apparently very reproducable.
and more importantly, is there any science behind it?
No this is LESS important than consistent and dependable results, which these startups claim (I havent looked at all of them.)
I think not. To call lack of interest in CF a conspiracy is laughable
But there is plenty of interest. Widom-Larsen is the theory people at NASA were enthused about.
http://en.wikiver...n_theory
Terriva
1 / 5 (1) Jun 20, 2012
and more importantly, is there any science behind it?
This is the very last culprit here. For example, high temperature superconductivity was accepted as a fact, although we still have no theory for it (and it even violates existing theories, like the BCS). Actually, there is at least dozen of scientific theories about it, for example Widom-Larsen theory is officially studied by NASA by now. So if you need some theory for being interested about cold fusion, I don't see any problem here.
xen_uno
4 / 5 (4) Jun 20, 2012
Ya theories abound. When the rubber hits the road however, these devices are low energy yield and high cost, and no amount of research money is going to change that. The wiki on CF elaborates far better than I can ... you should read it sometime.
pauljpease
5 / 5 (6) Jun 20, 2012
Check the original story as it appeared in the Daily Telegraph and then read the comments of UK citizens beneath it.

http://www.telegr...cut.html

Wind farms are a scam to make the rich richer. That said from a man who lives in Palm Springs where we have the ideal place for windmills due to the mountains funneling the wind through a small area. It may work here, but still only if subsidized. How in hell is it going to work most other places?

I am all for making the world a cleaner and better place, but we have to do it through the truth and not bs for $$$$$.


But the cost of electricity from fossil fuels doesn't count the cost of millions of people with respiratory illnesses. If it costs a little more up front but saves money due to healthier people (and by the way, what is good health worth?), maybe it is economical. Remember that there are more variables than anyone knows of in a complex global economy...
NotParker
1.7 / 5 (11) Jun 20, 2012

But the cost of electricity from fossil fuels doesn't count the cost of millions of people with respiratory illnesses.


If greenies cared about people with asthma, they would let them use inhalers with CFC's in them.
Shelgeyr
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 20, 2012
Marloes Caduff and colleagues point out that wind power is an increasingly popular source of electricity.


Well, to be more accurate, wind power subsidies are an increasingly popular source of revenue for those lucky enough, or well connected enough, to still be receiving them...

It provides almost 2 percent of global electricity...


I have to wonder if that's true. I've read repeatedly and recently that "rounded to the nearest whole number", wind power actually provides zero percent of global electricity. So which is accurate? "Almost 2 percent", or "less than half a percent"?

Their study showed that bigger turbines do produce greener electricity...


I wonder how they're defining "greener". Does their follow-on description of "more clean power without large increases in the amount of material..." constitute their entire definition of "greener"? If so, some of the Audubon Society people might be wanting a word with them.
Terriva
1 / 5 (1) Jun 20, 2012
Ya theories abound. When the rubber hits the road however, these devices are low energy yield and high cost, and no amount of research money is going to change that.
IMO the research of cold fusion continues, albeit very slowly, which corresponds the number of peer-reviewed publications and the volume of grant money invested into it. When we would develop the nuclear weapons with such an enthusiasm, then we would still experiment with test tubes and beakers only. You get what you pay.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (5) Jun 20, 2012
Ya theories abound. When the rubber hits the road however, these devices are low energy yield and high cost
Uh you have that exactly backwards.

"Ecat costs only around U.S. $500. for a 10kw E-Cat and around $10. for a refill of the charge which can be recycled." (rossis estimate as of Feb.); COP 6

-That is, IF ITS NOT TOTAL CRAP-
djr
4 / 5 (4) Jun 20, 2012
That is, IF ITS NOT TOTAL CRAP.

But it is total crap.... Look at this article - and the links provided. http://www.abovet...8208/pg1 Surely after being proved a complete liar - Rossie should go away - and we can put this nonsense to rest....
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.7 / 5 (6) Jun 20, 2012
Well sure...

"...founded Petroldragon, a company for developing oil from waste, which collapsed in the 1990s...following accusations of dumping environmental toxins, as well as tax fraud. Its assets were seized, together with Rossi's personal assets, and Andrea Rossi was arrested and imprisoned."

But...

"More than 10 years after his imprisonment, Rossi was acquitted."

So he started over in the US...

"He secured a defense contract to evaluate the potential of generating electricity from waste heat by using thermoelectric generators."

But...

"Rossi sent 27 thermoelectric devices for evaluation to the Engineer Research and Development Center; 19 of these did not produce any electricity at all."

-Oh well.

Who knows? Maybe he got religion. Like I say there are others supposedly working on this very same thing. And I believe absolutely everything I read on abovetopsecret. Even the stuff I dont write.
xen_uno
5 / 5 (2) Jun 21, 2012
I only have it backwards if it works, which finally otto, you admit it might not. Tell ya what, I can produce more heat from a compost pile, and with advances in heat to electricity conversion, generate more power than CF ever will, all without "borrowing" energy from electrical lines (electrical heating elements inside e-cat) and calling it surplus.
Howhot
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 21, 2012
With all due respect to the LERN scientists, lets build the big windmill now! They are simple, renewable and ready to go. When the CF has developed to an industrial scale (and it will) then bring it on. In the mean time we need to save the world!
CapitalismPrevails
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 21, 2012
How about we build bigger wind turbines with the lastest tech and not the traditional kind. E.G. direct drives and blades with winglets at the end.
Osiris1
1 / 5 (3) Jun 21, 2012
Still say that wind gens all have moving parts, and moving parts....wear...out! Now to that thousand foot blade..that breaks.
Reality will be that static no-nonsense photovoltaics make the best sense. Put them anywhere there is a lot of sun, like deserts. In my little corner of the world are a LOT of deserts. There are also, regrettably, a LOT of luddites who would scuttle this industry in its crib with NIMBY nonsense and malicious litigation that sabotages progress...like the protections of obscure and insignificant species of plants and animals. The resource is there! The materials are there! What is needed is like we always said in the military: a command decision and the ruthless resolution to back it up with enough backbone to carry it through. It is the people's resource, so the people should built it through Rooseveltian Civilian Conservation Corp programs and run it through Federal energy agencies as a federal utility. This prevents sale of it to our enemies, LBOs, et
Vendicar_Decarian
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 21, 2012
Inhalers that don't use CFC's are readily available.

"If greenies cared about people with asthma, they would let them use inhalers with CFC's in them." - ParkerTard

Poor mentally diseased ParkerTard.
Vendicar_Decarian
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 21, 2012
Now you don't apparently know the difference between radius and diameter.

"Now to that thousand foot blade." - Osiris
MarkyMark
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 21, 2012
Is it coincadence that morons tend to believe in such things like Cold Fusion E Cats (why not Dogs?) and Aether fartwind theory? This question deserves reserch now!!!
AWaB
3 / 5 (2) Jun 21, 2012
Sorry, you're going to heat the Earth even more with your ridiculous wind farms. What is part of the cooling cycle on Earth? Wind. Removing energy from this cooling source will...

http://news.disco...429.html
TkClick
1 / 5 (1) Jun 21, 2012
lets build the big windmill now! They are simple, renewable and ready to go
The windmill energy is still heavy subsidized and windmills aren't renewable at all. We actually don't know, how to handle them after their life-time period. They contain a large amount of copper and rare-earth metals, which are of short supplies and their prices are rising steadily. If we consider the unreliability and the absence of electricity storage, then the electricity from wind plants is actually quite expensive. It works by now only because it's using the existing reserves in grid capacity. But these reserves are quite limited by now and may lead to the grid collapse later (i.e. into massive blackouts). Not to say about environmental impacts of large windplants, which we are just starting to reveal.
TkClick
3 / 5 (2) Jun 21, 2012
SteveL
5 / 5 (1) Jun 21, 2012
Significant wind and solar (preferrably thermal) farms cannot be separated from improved distribution systems including more HVDC lines and energy storage systems to tame their cyclic natures. Combined these will take up far more room and resources than we are used to. We know we cannot continue forever as we have in the past. People just have to eventually get used to new realities.

Personally I would prefer living near a wind or solar farm compared to a coal or NatGas fired plant. As my retirement property in NW Nevada is more than 13 miles from the closest accessible power line, I intend to eventually use both solar and wind to provide for my energy needs. Nice and quiet - just the way I like it.
NotParker
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 21, 2012
Inhalers that don't use CFC's are readily available.


Banned by the EPA

http://science.sl...inhalers

"The EPA has banned over-the-counter asthma inhalers as part of an agreement with other nations to avoid using chlorofluorocarbons, a substance once used in aerosol sprays. Alternative albuterol inhalers cost almost three times as much as the $20 epinephrine inhalers sold by online retailers."

Greenies are lying evil hateful people.

http://hardluckas...ler.html
Shelgeyr
3 / 5 (2) Jun 21, 2012
@TkClick had some good points but also said:
They contain a large amount of copper and rare-earth metals, which are of short supplies and their prices are rising steadily.


While certainly true, the rise in price for copper, rare-earths, and other metals is largely (probably exclusively) due to "actively restricted" supply rather than actual scarcity. Right now some major players are filling warehouses with metals as quickly as they can, while taking 10 to 12 months to pull orders back out, and charging rental fees for the storage the whole time.

Although I'm tempted to call that a "racket", I'm not sure it technically fits the definition, however the general public certainly is taking it in the shorts because of what this practice is doing to the market.

For example, see also: "Wall Street Gets Eyed in Metal Squeeze" at http://online.wsj...642.html
Vendicar_Decarian
3 / 5 (4) Jun 21, 2012
Stupid is as stupid does.

"Is it coincadence that morons tend to believe in such things like Cold Fusion E Cats (why not Dogs?) and Aether fartwind theory? " - marky
Vendicar_Decarian
2 / 5 (4) Jun 21, 2012
ParkerTard's latest lie is easy to expose.

"Asthma inhalers: Which one's right for you?" - Mayo Clinic

http://www.mayocl...HQ01081/

Metered Dose Inhalers:
The Transition to Ozone-Safe Propellants

http://www.epa.go...tion.pdf

"Banned by the EPA" - ParkerTard

Back in the 80's Ozone Depletion denialists were claiming that a ban on CFC's would prevent all refrigeration and air conditioning and kill over 100 billion people. (That is the number regularly claimed. 100 billion).

ParkerTard seems to be the mentally diseased offspring of two of those early denialists.
Vendicar_Decarian
1.8 / 5 (5) Jun 21, 2012
Shortages are impossible according to Libertarian Economists, the finite world has infinite resources.

Besides they assert. We can always fly to Jupiter and get more.

"They contain a large amount of copper and rare-earth metals," - TkClickTard
Vendicar_Decarian
2.1 / 5 (7) Jun 21, 2012
The extraction of energy from the air, will necessarily cool the air. The use of that energy elsewhere will necessarily produce an equivalent amount of heat somewhere else.

"Sorry, you're going to heat the Earth even more with your ridiculous wind farms." - aWab

You have now demonstrated an ignorance in the most fundamental aspect of science - conservation of energy - that even a 5 year old grasps.

What is your excuse? Drug abuse?
xen_uno
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 21, 2012
Dead thread .. as soon as Ven the Vindictive posts, it's time to move on as there is nothing to see here. The 'tard just can't comment without throwing some insult in like I just did (for the team). Insecurity issues I guess.

PS: Wind Power sucks !
Pressure2
4 / 5 (5) Jun 21, 2012
Dead thread .. as soon as Ven the Vindictive posts, it's time to move on as there is nothing to see here. The 'tard just can't comment without throwing some insult in like I just did (for the team). Insecurity issues I guess.

PS: Wind Power sucks !

You got that wrong also, the wind blows!
NotParker
1.7 / 5 (6) Jun 21, 2012
Another greenie conspiracy to screw the poor and kill them off is forcing people to buy hugely more expensive and less effective inhalers.

"But the cost difference has meant huge gains for drug companies. As people switched to HFA inhalers in 2006 and 2007, sales of all albuterol inhalers jumped from about $500 million to $1.1 billion, according to I.M.S. Health, a health care information company. "

Vendicar_Decarian
3 / 5 (4) Jun 21, 2012
ParkerTard's latest lie is easy to expose.

"Asthma inhalers: Which one's right for you?" - Mayo Clinic

http://www.mayocl...HQ01081/

Metered Dose Inhalers:
The Transition to Ozone-Safe Propellants

http://www.epa.go...tion.pdf
Vendicar_Decarian
2 / 5 (4) Jun 21, 2012
Another fine example of how Corporations will use any excuse to grab money from the pockets of their patrons.

"As people switched to HFA inhalers in 2006 and 2007, sales of all albuterol inhalers jumped from about $500 million to $1.1 billion"- ParkerTard
PussyCat_Eyes
1 / 5 (3) Jun 21, 2012
With all due respect to the LERN scientists, lets build the big windmill now! They are simple, renewable and ready to go. When the CF has developed to an industrial scale (and it will) then bring it on. In the mean time we need to save the world!
- Howhot

Ja!! Rettet die Erde!! Sie ist der Einzige Planet mit Schokolade.
PussyCat_Eyes
1 / 5 (2) Jun 21, 2012
Howhot....you've got a better chance of finding Bigfoot, than seeing CF actually working. Concentrate on Solar and Wind, but keep the fossil fuels until Solar and Wind is everywhere,,,unless you want people to freeze their azz off.
NotParker
1 / 5 (2) Jun 22, 2012
["The EPA has banned over-the-counter asthma inhalers as part of an agreement with other nations to avoid using chlorofluorocarbons, a substance once used in aerosol sprays. Alternative albuterol inhalers cost almost three times as much as the $20 epinephrine inhalers sold by online retailers."

Evil EPA

Evil Greenies

Millions at risk

"The action is part of an agreement signed by the U.S. and other nations to stop using substances that deplete the ozone layer, a region in the atmosphere that helps block harmful ultraviolet rays from the Sun."
runrig
5 / 5 (1) Jun 23, 2012
the larger the wind turbine, the greener the electricity it produces

This study claims the opposite: large turbine is mixing air layers, it prohibits the atmospheric circulation and it causes droughts, for example in Texas. The only green energy is the cold fusion energy..


Any elevated temperature is minor - and much less than a city heat-island would. Cause droughts? - rubbish - Significant rain falls from clouds much higher than from highest point of these rotors, and mixing would only serve to enhance cloud formation above the rotor, not inhibit it. Drizzle will fall from cloud ( low level ) around 2000ft thick and a rotor would need to mix in drier air from aloft of that cloud in order to reduce its thickness. So a rotor tip upwards of 2000ft AGL would be needed to give even slight precipitation reduction. I think turbine rotors that size are a way off.
Mastoras
2 / 5 (1) Jun 24, 2012
And I believe absolutely everything I read on abovetopsecret. Even the stuff I dont write.

Well, didn't you said so earlier, so we wouldnt waste any seconds reading you?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (2) Jun 24, 2012
And I believe absolutely everything I read on abovetopsecret. Even the stuff I dont write.

Well, didn't you said so earlier, so we wouldnt waste any seconds reading you?
Even though your English is bad I can see you failed to get my little joke.

Everything I ever say is absolutely true and 100% accurate. Except perhaps for this statement.
Mastoras
2 / 5 (1) Jun 24, 2012
To TheGhostofOtto,

Its nice to see that it was a joke.

Well, I can't say I have much sympathy for anything that is Inglish (Inglish colonialism, Inglish bases, Inglish king, Inglish cultural thefts,...).
-.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (2) Jun 24, 2012
To TheGhostofOtto,

Its nice to see that it was a joke.

Well, I can't say I have much sympathy for anything that is Inglish (Inglish colonialism, Inglish bases, Inglish king, Inglish cultural thefts,...).
-.
So then speak in your native language so nobody can understand what you say.
barakn
not rated yet Jun 26, 2012
Another greenie conspiracy to screw the poor and kill them off is forcing people to buy hugely more expensive and less effective inhalers.

"But the cost difference has meant huge gains for drug companies. As people switched to HFA inhalers in 2006 and 2007, sales of all albuterol inhalers jumped from about $500 million to $1.1 billion, according to I.M.S. Health, a health care information company. "

The higher prices are mostly due to patents and pharma greed. So what you really have a problem with is the patent system and capitalism. There we have it, NotPorker outed as a closet liberal.
Howhot
not rated yet Jun 27, 2012
From the article:
Their study showed that bigger turbines do produce greener electricity


I don't think you can really argue with the physics of it. It takes a big machine to generate the energy it does, and with it's advanced aerodynamics and materials, the efficiencies scale.
Howhot
not rated yet Jun 27, 2012
for example Widom-Larsen theory

I disagree. I think the BEC theory is the underlying theoretical basis of Cold Fusion. See Kim et al.
NotParker
3 / 5 (2) Jun 27, 2012
Another greenie conspiracy to screw the poor and kill them off is forcing people to buy hugely more expensive and less effective inhalers.

"But the cost difference has meant huge gains for drug companies. As people switched to HFA inhalers in 2006 and 2007, sales of all albuterol inhalers jumped from about $500 million to $1.1 billion, according to I.M.S. Health, a health care information company. "

The higher prices are mostly due to patents and pharma greed. So what you really have a problem with is the patent system and capitalism. There we have it, NotPorker outed as a closet liberal.


Idiots making stupid laws make things more expensive. And kill people.

Greenies are cruel, heartless, ignorant idiots.
Mastoras
not rated yet Jun 27, 2012
Hey, Otto, how's life?

To TheGhostofOtto,

Its nice to see that it was a joke.

Well, I can't say I have much sympathy for anything that is Inglish (Inglish colonialism, Inglish bases, Inglish king, Inglish cultural thefts,...).
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So then speak in your native language so nobody can understand what you say.

Well, now, taking this as a CANON is not very PRAGMATIC, right?, and shouldn't be taken more MAKRON than needed. Surely, those that received more than GRAMMAR and SYNTAX at SCHOOL will have enough GNOSIS, even some THEORETICAL BASE, to understand my GLOSSA.
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