Canadians rally against wind power

Apr 03, 2012
Hundreds of Canadians demonstrated on Tuesday calling for an end to subsidies for wind power, saying noise from colossal turbines is making some people sick and driving down rural property prices.

Hundreds of Canadians demonstrated on Tuesday calling for an end to subsidies for wind power, saying noise from colossal turbines is making some people sick and driving down rural property prices.

Organizers told AFP about 800 farmers and other rural residents rallied outside a clean energy forum in downtown Toronto against a government subsidy for wind and solar power projects.

They said in a statement the program has resulted in "unbridled and unnecessary development" of wind power projects throughout Ontario, "which is altering rural communities, causing power bills to rise dramatically, and even causing some people to become ill from exposure to the ."

And they called for Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty to resign for pushing wind power as part of a agenda.

Jane Wilson, president of Wind Concerns Ontario, one of the 40 groups represented at the protest, said in a telephone interview, "People like to point to wind mills in Holland. These machines are nothing like that.

"They're huge power-producing machines that make noise and produce a vibration... that is felt in the inner ear, similar to the bass from a passing car that's playing loud music."

"People can't sleep at night, they get headaches, nauseous and dizzy," she said.

Others lamented premiums paid for wind and solar energy, saying Ontario's feed-in-tariff program, which led to thousands of small rooftop and large to pop up across the province, is driving up energy costs.

McGuinty said his government would lower the subsidies the province pays for future wind and .

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SDrapak
3.3 / 5 (11) Apr 03, 2012
"People can't sleep at night, they get headaches, nauseous and dizzy," she said.

The same people getting paid a nice sum to host the windmills on their land. For every advance in civilization there are the groups of dodos too stupid to avoid flying into the turbines that deserve to go extinct. An embarassing day to be Canadian...
ShotmanMaslo
2.9 / 5 (12) Apr 03, 2012
An embarassing day to be Canadian...


Wind turbines can indeed be quite noisy, and I can easily imagine how this constant noise could irritate some people. What exactly is embarassing about that?

http://www.renewa...ne-noise
Infinion
2.1 / 5 (7) Apr 03, 2012
"And they called for Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty to resign for pushing wind power as part of a clean energy agenda."

seriously?
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (13) Apr 03, 2012
Wind turbines can indeed be quite noisy
Yes the Dutch have a word for it. Oh wait, they don't.

"..that is felt in the inner ear, similar to the bass from a passing car that's playing loud music."

Golly noise cancelling technology is only forty years old. Only noise that truly annoys me are screaming infants in public and republicans. I would happily ban windmills if the other two were included.
Tennex
3 / 5 (6) Apr 03, 2012
Canadians were rather "green", until they started to mine the oil sands.
Infinion
3.3 / 5 (7) Apr 03, 2012
Canadians were rather "green", http://www.indepe...239.html they started to mine the oil sands.


The only province that actually has oil sands btw, is Alberta.
ormondotvos
1.3 / 5 (4) Apr 03, 2012
They think windmill nooise is bad. They should compare it with tornados.
Jaeherys
3.3 / 5 (9) Apr 03, 2012
I like how this is an embarrassment for Canadians... Like this small group of people represent the opinion of the other 34 million of us.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (45) Apr 03, 2012
The horrible sound a wind turbine makes is documented here.

http://www.youtub...v9_zV2uk

and here

http://www.youtub...=related

The horror... The horror....
Cave_Man
3.7 / 5 (9) Apr 03, 2012
Stick a huge coal fired power plant outside their windows and then ask them if they like it better.

Some people will complain about anything.

Although I must admit the low frequency harmonics coming from a machine like that could possibly have physiological effects.

I dont understand why they build 10 large windmills instead of 100 smaller ones. I imagine the cost would be the same both initially and maintaining it too.

That would make a higher frequency noise.
SDrapak
3 / 5 (8) Apr 03, 2012
>>Wind turbines can indeed be quite noisy, and I can easily imagine how this constant noise could irritate some people. What exactly is embarassing about that?

It's embarrassing to live in a country that used to be something to be proud of to be a part of and now is more known for it's ecological mismanagement and short sightedness (such as the tar sands) and mediocrity all around. It's embarrassing to have what's left of our reputation dragged in the mud by small groups of small minds with big mouths. And yes, making the world a little bit cleaner comes with a few tiny sacrifices that will give the whiners out there something to complain about. Let's drive the planet into the ground and leave the ashes for our children, that's much more sensible if you don't give a crap about anyone else.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (13) Apr 03, 2012
They think windmill nooise is bad. They should compare it with tornados.

Tornadoes only last few minutes.
A windmill is everyday, all day...

I coulndn't stand hanging around in a Circuit City store when they played loud music with low, loud bass.
Reasearch shows low, powerful sound is quite unsettling.
"Yet the noise is widely reported to be more annoying than that from airplanes, roadways, and railways. This is because the sound from wind turbines has very high levels of low-frequency infrasound inaudible to the human ear, "
"Infrasound has been used in Sweden in a nonlethal weapon for riot control."
http://tucsonciti...urbines/
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (44) Apr 04, 2012
Hasn't RyggTard been whining for years about how windmills can't be used to generate electricity because they only generate - and make noise - when the wind is blowing?

Now suddenly according to him, they work all the time.

"Tornadoes only last few minutes.
A windmill is everyday, all day..." - RyggTard

It takes a special kind of Tard to compare a windmill to a tornado.

Libertarians like RyggTard do not exist in the reality based community.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (43) Apr 04, 2012

"I coulndn't stand hanging around in a Circuit City store when they played loud music with low, loud bass." - RyggTard

And therefore we must continue to burn coal.

Logical... Very logical.

Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (45) Apr 04, 2012
I strongly suspect there is some industry sponsored propaganda group behind this protest.

It smells like a media campaign.

"Like this small group of people represent the opinion of the other 34 million of us." - Jaeh
Vendicar_Decarian
0.7 / 5 (43) Apr 04, 2012
"It's embarrassing to live in a country that used to be something to be proud of to be a part of and now is more known for it's ecological mismanagement and short sightedness (such as the tar sands) and mediocrity all around." - SDrapak

Western Canada has always had a mindset that was close to that of the Americans. It didn't take much to put dollar signs in front of their eyes.

Money corrupts all things.

Canadians need to get the Conservatives out of power. Unfortunately when it comes to the oil sands, the camel's nose is already under the tent.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.6 / 5 (42) Apr 04, 2012
"It's embarrassing to have what's left of our reputation dragged in the mud by small groups of small minds with big mouths." - SDrapak

Every society contains small gaggles of fools and sycophants. Just look at RyggTard and his mentally ill Libertarian Brothers and Sisters.

Accommodate, absorb, socialize.

ShotmanMaslo
1.9 / 5 (9) Apr 04, 2012
Decarian - I dont think that 480p youtube video made with god-knows-what camera is a good proof, since lower frequencies are often cut off in low quality recordings and during compression. Besides, there is noise in the second video. ;)

http://files.gere...bine.jpg

And while decibels are objective, perception of sounds and psychological reaction is subjective. Some persons dont mind constant low level sounds, some are extremely annoyed by them.
Eikka
2.5 / 5 (8) Apr 04, 2012
There's also the cannon shot effect for low frequency sounds, which applies equally to windmills.

The sound of a cannon can be heard right next to the cannon, but dissapears with distance, and then re-appears further away because the sound of it reflects back down from different air layers in the atmosphere.

The larger the windmill though, the slower it spins, and the lower the frequency of the slap it makes every time the wing passes the tower. The problem is wind farms, where you get the combined beating of hundreds of windmills that randomly interfere with one another, which can create a very disorienting droning noise.

Infrasounds are known to cause stress in animals and people.
Eikka
2.7 / 5 (7) Apr 04, 2012

I dont understand why they build 10 large windmills instead of 100 smaller ones. I imagine the cost would be the same both initially and maintaining it too.


Think again. Doing the same work a hundred times over is not going to cost less even if the materials cost the same.

But the main reason is, that the winds are higher 150 meters up than 50 meters up, and the bigger the turbine the more energy it makes. Would be foolish to plant a 100 meter tall tower and then put a dinky little windwheel up there.

That would make a higher frequency noise.


Which would technically make it more audible.
joefarah
1.7 / 5 (11) Apr 04, 2012
Give it up people. Wind power is not just noisy, it's ugly, it kills far more wildlife than the oil sands ever will, and it's expensive. Canada should be applauded for how clean it's oil sands technology is. But of course it's easier to granola crunch and complain than it is to look at the facts. Wind power is destroying our landscape.

You want clean power? How about waterfalls? Did you know that because of McGuinty's "green" plan, much of the greenest of all energy, from Niagara Falls, goes to waste? His plan is "green" as much as burning coal is. Except that it has more far-reaching consequences.

But all you left-wing, unthinking greenies, keep on complaining about those with legitimate beefs.
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (6) Apr 04, 2012
DEAFENING WINDMILLS DESTROYING HUMANITY!!!

http://www.youtub...v9_zV2uk
http://www.youtub...6Cvf8D-8
kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (9) Apr 04, 2012
And while decibels are objective, perception of sounds and psychological reaction is subjective.
Um yes noise is subjective, radiation from Fukijama is subjective, flames in drinking water are subjective. Everything is subjective to a layman. Hey, that's a nice anecdote you got there.
mosahlah
1 / 5 (1) Apr 04, 2012
Don't blame this on conservatives. There's plenty of Dems opposing so called "green" energy on environmental excuses. Pelosi fought solar farms in the mojave, and Kennedys fought the windmills off Mass coasts. Conservatives don't oppose energy development. That's the other side.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Apr 04, 2012
Then they had better not live in a city, by a road, airport, railway line, or a forest, a rocky beach, or anywhere there are nesting birds, feeding birds, frogs, dogs, wolves, chickens, overflying geese, ducks, etc. etc.. etc...

"Infrasounds are known to cause stress in animals and people." - Eikka
Lurker2358
2 / 5 (4) Apr 04, 2012
I dont understand why they build 10 large windmills instead of 100 smaller ones. I imagine the cost would be the same both initially and maintaining it too.

That would make a higher frequency noise.


Well, you'd be wrong.

Economies of scale when dealing with Windmills is such that the larger it is the more efficient it will be in general, an the taller it is, the less friction the winds at that height have with the surface and nearby forests and such, which means the wind speeds are higher and more steady on average.

So in general, bigger and taller is almost always more cost effective and more efficient.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Apr 04, 2012
Smells like a Conservative Astroturf group to me.

"Don't blame this on conservatives." - Mosahlah

They called for Ontario Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty to resign.

kochevnik
2.7 / 5 (7) Apr 05, 2012
Pelosi fought solar farms in the mojave, and Kennedys fought the windmills off Mass coasts. Conservatives don't oppose energy development. That's the other side.
Peloski is representing all the refineries, with the excuse of environmentalism. Kennedy is being a nimby. They're exceptions to the rule, and the rule is conservative obstructionism and obstrucification on sustainable energy.
Sean_W
1.8 / 5 (5) Apr 07, 2012
What seems to have gone unmentioned is that poor and middle class people are having money taken away from them so an industry can pretend to be profitable when it is not. End all subsidies to all industry but end ones to phony industries ASAP.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (37) Apr 07, 2012
Globally, the oil and gas industries are given almost a trillion dollars in Government money.

Odd that Sean isn't complaining about that. Gosh... I wonder why...

"What seems to have gone unmentioned is that poor and middle class people are having money taken away from them so an industry can pretend to be profitable when it is not." - Sean_W

We are priming the pump Sean. If you don't like it, you can lump it.
ShotmanMaslo
1 / 5 (3) Apr 08, 2012
I agree, all subsidies to actual market *deployment* of energy sources should be ceased, and not only in renewables, but including fossil fuels and nuclear energy. The government should generously subsidise only research and development, not actual deployment. If an energy source is not yet competitive on the market, then more R&D is needed to make it better, not subsidies to deployment, thats like burying our head in the sand and pretending its competitive when its not.

If we want to phase out fossil fuels, then carbon taxes are the way to go, but not subsidising the deployment of specific alternatives. The money from carbon taxes should go to R&D, not deployment of commercial power plants.
kaasinees
3 / 5 (6) Apr 08, 2012
I agree, all subsidies to actual market *deployment* of energy sources should be ceased


I agree in a way.
Look at it from a health perspective.
Burning fuels decreases health of the population, meaning we should tax it.
The reason we should subsidize non-burning energies is because they remove the need for burning fuel energies, we can use the money from the burning fuel taxes.
As time progresses and non fuel burning energies increase the tax and subsidies also decrease.
But because of mass producing the new energies, they become more profitable and competitive, and most likely push out fuel burning energies off the market.

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