California school suspensions an 'absolute crisis,' UCLA researchers say

Apr 11, 2012

(Phys.org) -- A new report by the Civil Rights Project/Proyecto Derechos Civiles at UCLA estimates that more than 400,000 California public school students were suspended at least once during the 2009–10 school year, with many being suspended two, three or more times.

The report, which provides a snapshot of school suspensions on a district-by-district basis, shows that African American and Latino male students — particularly those with disabilities — were suspended at a disproportionately high rate. It also indicates that these students of color are often suspended for defiant behavior, disrespect and disobedeince, rather than more serious offenses, such as threats, intimidation and harassment.

"This is clearly an unsound educational policy," said Daniel Losen, a researcher with the Civil Rights Project and a co-author of the report. "The numbers in our indicate an absolute crisis in many California districts, since suspending out of school — with no guarantee of adult supervision — greatly increases the risk for dropping out and involvement in the juvenile justice system."

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AWaB
1 / 5 (2) Apr 11, 2012
It's the schools' fault that these 'students' don't behave? Corporal punishment would resolve these issues. Whip a few students in front of others and let them understand that it will happen to anyone who misbehaves and we won't have these problems anymore. If a parent sues, whip them in public. This insanity will taper off very quickly!
kevinrtrs
2.1 / 5 (7) Apr 11, 2012
Well, looks like chickens are coming home to roost: no spanking is allowed, so there's less discipline and as a result a lot more suspensions because teachers really don't want to get involved.
For a lot of these students the school has to be the surrogate parent, instilling the required discipline. But because of the prevailing social laws, that's is no longer possible. Good luck with that.
kevinrtrs
1.8 / 5 (4) Apr 11, 2012
If a parent sues, whip them in public.

OK, just a bit of humor: Are you really going to whip the parents when they sue?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (8) Apr 11, 2012
Who is trying to enforce the 'civil' responsibility of taking advantage of the free educational opportunities being offered by the state?
People value what they pay for.
rwinners
not rated yet Apr 11, 2012
The schools are between the proverbial rock and hard place. They cannot use physical violence. The two options left? Expulsion or supervised 'detention'.
I suppose this is where there is disagreement. Who deserves detention and who expulsion.
And then there is the added cost of 'supervising' those in detention. The teachers don't want to do this.... understandably.
So the school districts incur an additional expense; private cops. And this makes school detention the first experience that many will have with 'jail'.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (38) Apr 11, 2012
One would think it would be the students who aren't being suspended.

Odd isn't it, how that never occurred to you, Tard boy.

"Who is trying to enforce the 'civil' responsibility of taking advantage of the free educational opportunities being offered by the state?" - RyggTard

I should add that we all agree with your Libertarian ideals, that school children need to pay for their education.

Perhaps they could weave baskets, work at fast food joints, or prostitute themselves as it is legal under Libertarian doctrine, to pay for their Skoolzen.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.7 / 5 (40) Apr 11, 2012
As to the article itself. Rwinners has the proper response.

I would add that ultimately the problem is the failure of American Society.

It takes a village to raise a child. TV, Video games, and the drug Capitalist just isn't providing to be a good surrogate parent, contrary to Libertarian ideals.

xen_uno
2 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2012
O Ven .. for every insult you can muster against a Libertarian, I can think of 10 for your party, which I assume by your bleeding heart views is Democrat.

A good definition of Libertarian philosophy here:
"The libertarian believes that the government that governs least, governs best. He believes in maximum personal liberty and minimum government coercion and intrusion in the everyday lives of citizens. The libertarian believes in small government, especially at the federal level, and not getting involved in foreign entanglements. He believes in personal autonomy, both social and economic. I have also heard this useful description: A libertarian is more liberal than a Liberal on matters of personal liberty, and he is more conservative than a Conservative on matters of economic autonomy"

Just why is that so repulsive to you?

ref >> http://wiki.answe...ertarian
rwinners
5 / 5 (3) Apr 12, 2012
@xen I had to laugh. The libertarian philosophy became unworkable when we, as human beings, began to accept elders. The oldest guy in the tribe was usually, but not always, the wisest. So he/she carried a bit of clout when it came to village affairs.
How did we get from there to here?
And tell us, what is your answer? Not "I'm a libertarian". I don't care how you label yourself. Give us some concrete answers to the major problems that world governments face today.
xen_uno
1 / 5 (2) Apr 12, 2012
Well I'm quite aware that we can't roll back the clock when 50-60% of the population is dependent on the Feds for their livelihood. In fact we're probably past the point of no return. As the US grows older, it will become more dysfunctional and socialistic, like the UK is today. Recall that it was once a world power too not long ago. The sense of entitlement by those that have never put even a thin dime into the system damaged the UK and is having the same effect here.

So rwin ... I'll give you an answer when you give me a problem, as there is so many.
Deathclock
1.6 / 5 (7) Apr 12, 2012
They shouldn't be suspended, they should be expelled. You want the flowers to grow? Pull the fucking weeds.

The truth hurts, but this pussy attitude that everyone is special and deserves everything their heart desires is killing this country.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (38) Apr 12, 2012
How many quatloos of personal liberty is your maximum, Tard Boy?

Is it as many quatloos as you have love for your parents, or your wife, or your children?

You do have a valid measure and unit for freedom don't you?

You need one if you intend to maximize it right?

You have taken this most basic step toward actually converting your absolutely vacant "maximize personal liberty" nonsense into something meaningful, haven't you?

"He believes in maximum personal liberty" - xenTard

No? Oh, then you are just full of mindless hot air, and are displaying "maximum" ignorance.

How typically Libertarian of you.
Russkiycremepuff
3.1 / 5 (9) Apr 12, 2012
Maybe I should not get involved in this discussion, but the article is not about Liberals or Libertarians, nor of big or small government. It is about unruly and even hostile kids from grades 3 to 12. I doubt that Kindergartners, first and second graders are also being suspended. It seems to be rare to find kids in America actually enjoying and anticipating going to school to learn and prepare for adulthood, higher learning and jobs. I believe that good teachers start out, for the most part, as idealistic for teaching the next generations of kids. I have seen much disillusionment in good teachers because their classes are full of inattentive and sassy children. When they do find a good child who is very interested in learning, it is almost miraculous and the teachers do all they can for the good students.
It is not a common thing to find in American children, especially within minority groups. I think it is more of a parenting problem. Kids copy their parents' attitudes, even if wrong
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (37) Apr 12, 2012
"You want the flowers to grow? Pull the fucking weeds." - DeathClock

Yes. America needs more drug dealers and criminal lowlifes.

Well done DeathClock.
Deathclock
1 / 5 (1) Apr 12, 2012
You haven't heard the rest of my plan yet VD:

- Legalize drugs.
- Make all prisons cost/profit neutral through labor.

Did you know that prisoners who work in prison earn money that they can spend on candy and ice cream and electronics and other luxuries? All the while decent people are paying out the ass through taxation for their incarceration, it's downright criminal.
Deathclock
1 / 5 (1) Apr 12, 2012
It seems to be rare to find kids in America actually enjoying and anticipating going to school to learn and prepare for adulthood, higher learning and jobs. I believe that good teachers start out, for the most part, as idealistic for teaching the next generations of kids. I have seen much disillusionment in good teachers because their classes are full of inattentive and sassy children. When they do find a good child who is very interested in learning, it is almost miraculous and the teachers do all they can for the good students.
It is not a common thing to find in American children, especially within minority groups. I think it is more of a parenting problem. Kids copy their parents' attitudes


You're absolutely right, but what do we DO about it? Punish the parents? Expel the unruly children? Allow the unruly children to create a hostile environment that hinders everyone else's opportunity to get a decent education?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (37) Apr 12, 2012
The U.S. federal government employs fewer people today than it did back in the 1950's, and is now sits around 2 million people, or 1.3% of the adult population.

As usual, the Conservative Blowhard is lying through it's teeth.

"Well I'm quite aware that we can't roll back the clock when 50-60% of the population is dependent on the Feds for their livelihood." - Xen
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (37) Apr 12, 2012
I see so the solution to America's ills is to foster drug use, and employ slave labor.

Well done ConservaTard.

"- Legalize drugs.
- Make all prisons cost/profit neutral through labor." - DeathClock
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (36) Apr 12, 2012
You can't do anything about it. Your time is up. Game over.

"You're absolutely right, but what do we DO about it? Punish the parents? Expel the unruly children?" - DeathClock
Russkiycremepuff
3 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2012
It is quite easy to demonstrate the effectiveness of a good and supportive family life with parents who care about their children's success and nurturing every step of the way. As long as I have lived in America, I have read the demographics of whose children are the smartest in school and why they are most likely to turn out very well. In all cases, it is the parents who determine, with few exceptions, how their children will excel in school and in other areas. It is consistently the Jews and Asians, including those from India who are in the forefront of making their mark as successful people, while the vast majority of minorities do not seem very interested in being the best of the best at all. Education is a powerful tool, but American kids are severely lacking in its appreciation. That is why the U.S. has fallen way behind.
kochevnik
5 / 5 (3) Apr 12, 2012
They shouldn't be suspended, they should be expelled.
That's all that LA needs: a million Latino kids running around forming gangs and doing drivebys. Maybe you can't see the situation here but Mexicans are reproducing themselves into a majority in California and they're all about quantity, not quality. That's a Mexican way of life: More children == more power back there. Any quality is up to the state. Either school or foster care.
Russkiycremepuff
3.2 / 5 (9) Apr 12, 2012
The children in my country are highly appreciative of their free education. Their future is determined by how well they score in tests and, if they do not score well at any level, they will be determined as only fit mentally for that level and will be offered jobs that fit their individual criteria. They do NOT go on to higher education as they do in America, where children who can barely read and write a sentence with the correct degree of intelligence, are allowed to go to college because they belong to a minority and there is a quota to be filled. The standards are also lowered for them because they cannot compete at a higher level. This is one of the reasons why America is being destroyed. The future is bleak because of, dare I say it? Affirmative action. Lower standards, lower intelligence, impulsiveness, lack of discipline, these will bring down your country, even more so than the illegal drugs.
Russkiycremepuff
2 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2012
We do not have to bury you, you are burying yourselves.
xen_uno
1 / 5 (1) Apr 12, 2012
Well my apologies VenDick for my erroneous figures (wasn't intentional nor stated for political gain)... ~ 20% of population receives federal cash, ~ 50% pay no fed taxes. I'm not sure whether Earned Income (EIC) is factored into that 20% (which pays you to sit on arse .. year after year after year ).
Deathclock
1.8 / 5 (5) Apr 12, 2012
They shouldn't be suspended, they should be expelled.
That's all that LA needs: a million Latino kids running around forming gangs and doing drivebys. Maybe you can't see the situation here but Mexicans are reproducing themselves into a majority in California and they're all about quantity, not quality. That's a Mexican way of life: More children == more power back there. Any quality is up to the state. Either school or foster care.


The views expressed here are disturbing, it is not the states responsibility to raise your child through the public education system. Parental responsibility is the problem, the state is NOT the answer. If a child can't behave in school and is hindering other children's education then kick them the fuck out, whatever happens with them afterward is a SEPARATE ISSUE.
rwinners
not rated yet Apr 12, 2012
Well I'm quite aware that we can't roll back the clock when 50-60% of the population is dependent on the Feds for their livelihood. In fact we're probably past the point of no return. As the US grows older, it will become more dysfunctional and socialistic, like the UK is today. Recall that it was once a world power too not long ago. The sense of entitlement by those that have never put even a thin dime into the system damaged the UK and is having the same effect here.

So rwin ... I'll give you an answer when you give me a problem, as there is so many.


Care to back up that number with some statistics? I mean, 50-60%? Really?
rwinners
not rated yet Apr 12, 2012
@xen http://en.wikiped...spending

So, 32% for all fed, state and local spending. What? You don't trust wiki?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (37) Apr 12, 2012
Another way Zero tolerance Conservatives are destroying education.

WECT-TV reports that Ryan Blackmon, an eighth grade student at Bladenboro Middle School, was suspended when he hugged his teacher after she broke up a potential fight between himself and another student.

I said, Thank you, after she got done, Blackmon told the station. I went to hug her, then she just snatched me up by the arm and drug me to the other teacher and said that I needed to be written up, and that something serious had happened.

According to school documents obtained by the station, it is against the rules for a student to hug a teacher.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.1 / 5 (35) Apr 12, 2012
I will certainly live to bury them.

"We do not have to bury you, you are burying yourselves." - Russki
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (37) Apr 12, 2012
"So, 32% for all fed, state and local spending." - xen

About half of that is pay as you go income insurance programs that have already been paid into.

The money was invested in improvements in the U.S. infrastructure and economy. Of course under the Reagan Administration, those funds were moved into the general fund and IOU's issued in their place.

But that is what you get when you vote Republican.
MR166
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 15, 2012
"Another way Zero tolerance Conservatives are destroying education."

VD prove to me that zero tolerance is a conservative invention!

The US educational system has been controlled by the liberal progressive establishment for the past 50 years. We spend more per student to "educate" our children than any other nation and get the worst results. If you think our schools are controlled by conservatives then you must be about as left wing as anyone can get. Are you still mourning Marx's death?
Skepticus
not rated yet Apr 15, 2012
Well, we can start by teaching parents real manners! The recent news about Easter eggs hunt called off because of unruly parents rustled and trampled kids to grab as many eggs for themselves and their kids shows the need for it.
Terriva
5 / 5 (1) Apr 15, 2012
students of color are often suspended for defiant behavior, disrespect and disobedeince, rather than more serious offenses, such as threats, intimidation and harassment.
LOL, the children in our country would be expelled from school permanently just for disrespect and disobedience.
but Mexicans are reproducing themselves into a majority in California
We have similar problem with gypsies and we have special schools for them. These schools were originally dedicated for children with learning disabilities, but the gypsies now forms a majority in them. IMO what it really works is to fluctuate the asocial individuals whenever possible. Every psychopath needs certain time for his acclimatization, before it becomes dominant in a new social group.
MR166
1 / 5 (1) Apr 15, 2012
Before The Liberals Took Over

When I was a child in the US the schools were separated by ability and desire.

Those who could not learn were separated from those that did not chose to learn. Those who could and wanted to learn were in a third group. The gifted were in yet another school. This was the nation that could support itself and send a man to the moon.

Today all are in the same class and the teachers teach to the lowest common denominator. Government dependency is the new norm.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.1 / 5 (35) Apr 15, 2012
Back in the olden days when Capitalism only enslaved husbands and not their wives too, women were available to raise the children and service the home.

Now that Women are also slaves to the Capitalists, they no longer have time in their slave lives to raise children.

Hence the burden falls upon a state which is steadfastly refused to accept that burden. Hence the schools are the primary body raising children today, but doing so without the state coordination needed to do so.

The result has been the failure of American Society, due to the self poisoning nature of Capitalism.

"it is not the states responsibility to raise your child through the public education system" - Deathclock

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