Britain planning new Internet snooping laws

Apr 01, 2012
The British government wants to expand its powers to monitor email exchanges and website visits, The Sunday Times newspaper reported.

The British government wants to expand its powers to monitor email exchanges and website visits, The Sunday Times newspaper reported.

Internet companies would be instructed to install hardware to allow the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) -- Britain's electronic "listening" agency" -- to go through "on demand" every and email sent, websites accessed and phone calls made "in real time, the broadsheet said.

The plans are expected to be unveiled next month.

The Home Office said ministers were preparing to legislate "as soon as parliamentary time allows" but said the data to be monitored would not include content.

"It is vital that police and security services are able to obtain communications data in certain circumstances to investigate serious crime and terrorism and to protect the public," a spokesman said.

"We need to take action to maintain the continued availability of communications data as technology changes.

"Communications data includes time, duration and dialling numbers of a , or an email address.

"It does not include the content of any phone call or email and it is not the intention of government to make changes to the existing legal basis for the of communications."

An attempt to bring in similar measures was abandoned by the former Labour government in 2006 amid strong opposition.

However, ministers in the current Conservative-Liberal Democrat believe it is essential that the police and security services have access to such communications data in order to tackle terrorism and protect the public.

The plans would not allow GCHQ to access the content of communications without a warrant.

However, they would enable the agency to trace whom a group or individual had contacted, how often and for how long, the report said.

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epsi00
5 / 5 (6) Apr 01, 2012
After all Orwell was English.
kochevnik
3.2 / 5 (9) Apr 01, 2012
"It does not include the content of any phone call or email and it is not the intention of government to make changes to the existing legal basis for the interception of communications."

Unlike the Police State USA with NSA happily admitting they consider every American a suspect and will monitor and record ALL communications, constitution and law be damned.
Lurker2358
2.8 / 5 (5) Apr 01, 2012

Unlike the Police State USA with NSA happily admitting they consider every American a suspect and will monitor and record ALL communications, constitution and law be damned.


Man, I'm not saying government should have power to just do whatever they want with your information, but you also have to be realistic and practical.

A strict, traditional interpretation of the 4th amendment applied to internet and phone would make it completely impossible to enforce the law or protect people in the modern world. It's already hard enough as is.

How is it right when innocent people go to jail for 15 years for crimes they didn't commit, while the guilty go free, in part, BECAUSE the government didn't have the power to collect the right evidence to find the real perpetrator? And then when they do find the evidence, half of it gets thrown out on some technicality, because the perp has so many "rights" it's impossible to convict?

That might be "legal," but it damn sure isn't "justice".
kochevnik
3.1 / 5 (8) Apr 01, 2012
the guilty go free, in part, BECAUSE the government didn't have the power to collect the right evidence to find the real perpetrator?
That only happens in Hollywood movies. In real life the government moves to squash any opponents of it's corporatist partners, Hilary Clinton gushes with the thrill of having her new office near the Council of Foreign Relations plutocratic powerhouse, and career politicians exist for the singular purpose of delivering voters to their constituents.

In police state USA the people are the single greatest threat to the government, and they must be stopped by any means necessary.
Turritopsis
2.5 / 5 (4) Apr 01, 2012
This is a human rights violation and will be voted against by anyone against totalitarian rule.

Any terrorist or criminal who actually poses a threat should be intelligent enough to not leave a communication trail anyways, just as has always been the case. Criminals have always employed secure lines of communication (such as leaving encrypted hand written notes detailing where and when to meet to discuss sensitive matters).

Can we try to be civilized and not instate laws that will incite civil wars please? This is an attack on the human right to privacy, it will not stop dangerous offenders as they will just opt towards different communication mediums to protect themselves from GCHQ perforation.
Vendicar_Decarian
3 / 5 (3) Apr 01, 2012
What human right is being violated?

"This is a human rights violation and will be voted against by anyone against totalitarian rule." - Turrit
Vendicar_Decarian
3.4 / 5 (5) Apr 01, 2012
Absolutely true... And they are stopped by every means necessary.

Absolute Corporate rule is the destiny of the American State.

Absolute slavery to the corporate state is the goal nearly achieved by the American people.

"In police state USA the people are the single greatest threat to the government, and they must be stopped by any means necessary." - Kochevnik
Vendicar_Decarian
3.8 / 5 (5) Apr 01, 2012
Did he have an Twin American Brother?

"After all Orwell was English." - EPsi

Could government conspire to manufacture evidence against you showing that you had repeated email exchanges with a known shild prostitution ring in the same way that the Bush Administration tried to smear American weapons inspector "Scott Ritter" when Ritter correctly claimed that George Bush was lying about WMD in Iraq?

"We eliminated the nuclear program, and for Iraq to have
reconstituted it would require undertaking activities that would have been eminently detectable by intelligence services.

If Iraq were producing [chemical] weapons today, we'd have proof, pure and simple.

As of December 1998 we had no evidence Iraq had retained biological weapons, nor that they were working on any. In fact, we had a lot of evidence to suggest Iraq was in compliance." -

Pitt, William R. War On Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know 2002, Context Books, New York
Argiod
3.8 / 5 (6) Apr 01, 2012
One of the 'benefits' of Freedom of Speech is that you can discredit anyone by flooding the internet and the news media with false and misleading information; stirring up a contoversy that will relegate the whole affair to 'Conspiracy Theory' status, wherein anyone professing it will be considered to be crazy. We've done this with the UFO issue, and the JFK assasination, and others. The best way to squash the truth is to obfuscate it with tons of BS, and tie it up with endless controversy and debate that go nowhere. It's an old game of rumors that we call 'politics and diplomacy'.
Back in the fifties there was a Peace Corps program at UCLA called the Peruvian Project. During the course of instruction the Secretary of State at the time gave a lecture on Diplomacy. He started out by saying:

"Diplomacy can be summed up by three rules: Lie, Don't get caught, and Always Smile. The rest is commentary."

Callippo
2.3 / 5 (4) Apr 01, 2012
British government first allowed to fill its country with Muslims radicals and then it tries to monitor them (together with native British). Wouldn't be easier to simply limit their immigration from its very beginning? I know, how the British society appeared after WWW II during Beatles era: it was opened trustful society, literally an one big family united around its leaders: Winston Churchil and Royal family. The multicultural politics destroyed all of it.
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (4) Apr 01, 2012
Oh hell, the Murdochs have been doing that for years............
Vendicar_Decarian
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 01, 2012
It is no coincidence that Murdoch is a self professed Libertarian, and former member of the board of directors of the filthy as dirt CATO institute and that his filthy company has been caught in all manner of coruption, from spying on UK citizens, to hacking the cell phones of children, threatening the parents of celebrities, and paying hackers to destroy rival satellite TV companies.

I have never encountered a Libertarian who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar. The Corrupt Rupert Murdoch and his filthy son and the corrupt business they have created seems to be no exception to that rule.
HTK
3 / 5 (4) Apr 01, 2012
Damned conspira'cysts'. They are the maladies of our society.

America calm down, you still are the freeist country on the entire planet even compared to Europe you fools!
TabulaMentis
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 01, 2012
Damned conspira'cysts'. They are the maladies of our society. America calm down, you still are the freeist country on the entire planet even compared to Europe you fools!
I have been watching the National debt grow every year since the mid-1980s once the debt went over 1-trillion dollars. I know how greed and hatred works. It is written all over Obama's face. Don't fool yourself!
Vendicar_Decarian
3 / 5 (2) Apr 02, 2012
"Borrowing a trillion dollars plus is the greatest thing we ever did." - Budget adviser to Ronald Reagan.

"I have been watching the National debt grow every year since the mid-1980s once the debt went over 1-trillion dollars." - Tabula

I've been warning Americans since the early 1980's that Borrow and Spend Conservatives were bankrupting their nation.

Conservatives insisted that the debt they were creating was good for the nation.
Gigel
not rated yet Apr 02, 2012
Protecting the public, i.e. plucking its feathers off - that is an interesting concept.

Maybe they should protect the private too.
Zorlont3
1 / 5 (1) Apr 02, 2012
Nibble after nibble, they eat their way through our laws. Worming their way to the top, connecting this loop-hole to that loop-hole. And soon, any act they commit, formerly a crime..now goes unpunished because....nibble by nibble the foundations of our freedoms have eroded, unnoticed by the blissful, unaware people.

Is it certain that a global conspiracy exists? Up to you, but one can't deny that it is certainly being made easier to accomplish.
orsat
1 / 5 (2) Apr 02, 2012
I was under the impression that ESCHELON a US gov snooping dept.
already did this for the whole world.
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (2) Apr 02, 2012
@Vendicar Decarian:

It is no longer an issue of Democrats versus Republicans versus Independents. It has become an issue of how much money the Washington politician can steal from the taxpayer. In the 1980s Resident Reagan was very concerned about the National debt growing out of control. I remember him talking about. You are right it was the people working under him that were out of control. I guess Reagan had a few flaws when it came to being an employer.
Vice President George H. W. I suspect was behind a lot of the spending for programs like the Star Wars defense system, etc., but I do not know that for sure. The reason I say that is George H.W. added somewhere around 1.5 trillion in debt in his four year tenure as president. Then Clinton, and I guess with the help of Gingrich, help slow the spending.
But, then came along George W. and after that the debt has exploded ever since. And then Obama is just totally out-of-control with spending.

continued
TabulaMentis
1 / 5 (1) Apr 02, 2012
Continued:

Vendicar Decarian I do not know if you are a Democrat, but you sound a little bit like one. You also do not seem to be very fond of America. People like me are not your enemy. So I am not sure why you have bundled everyone together as being liars when most of us are like you. If I had my choice I would grab George W. and Obama, and string them up at high noon today for what they have done to this country financially.

But what does this have to do with security. From personal experience I know what politicians do to those who do not fit in the ideology of their pea brain cohorts. During the 1980s I had politicians and Christians doing this and doing that to run me out of town, bankrupt! Even the media or somebody was sticking eavesdropping/tracking devices in my residence, office and vehicles. Then I began studying physics in 1989 and when I included religion with science the Christians all the sudden wanted to suck-up to me, jerks like Santorum.

continued
TabulaMentis
1 / 5 (1) Apr 02, 2012
Continued:

To make a long story short, if the Democrat voters do not get their act together and Obama is reelected, then America will never be the same ever again. Maybe that may make you happy. If so, then you need to see a psychiatrist, including a whole lot of other people who vote those freaks into office.
Below are some links of what Obama and the rest of those corrupt Washington politicians have in store for us. Be open minded, because what happened to me during the 1980s is about to happen to everyone here in America, whether they want it to or not, all because the voters keep on putting those freaks into office.

continued
TabulaMentis
1 / 5 (1) Apr 02, 2012
Continued:

Here are the links. Again, be open minded because the corrupt Washington politicians have some sinister plans in store for all of us. Maybe when real estate values drop in half again and unemployment reaches 40% and taxes reach 80% will people begin to understand what I am talking about:

http://www.physor...xsw.html

https://www.eff.o...rate-bay

http://www.lbjjou.../?p=1802

http://arstechnic...gned.ars

http://www.physor...als.html

http://www.youtub...71CveQwo

http://www.digita...e/319564

http://www.herita...citizens
kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 02, 2012
British government first allowed to fill its country with Muslims radicals
Britain had to start arms trading with the Saudis after WWII because they were left absolutely broke with a destroyed economy. Watch the Mayfair it may fill a void in your historical perspective: http://www.youtub...H8X1-JiA

In parallel, USA government must kiss Saudi ass because of the deal Nixon made whereby the Saudis will only sell oil in dollars. Thus the last four decades of the bullish US bond market is due strictly to Saudi Arabia leading the other oil nations in pegging the dollar to energy. That's ending now, taking much of the US economy down with it. That's why the US politicians are so paranoid. They know they're on the Titanic and they're heading straight toward icebergs.
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (2) Apr 02, 2012
That's why the US politicians are so paranoid. They know they're on the Titanic and they're heading straight toward icebergs.
Good. I hope they all drown and the video of them is on the six o'clock news with bubbles coming out of their mouths as they sink down under. That would be better than having them sitting on their butts watching all of us suffer while they dine in fancy restaurants using taxpayer dollars freshly printed off the printing press.
hagger
3 / 5 (2) Apr 03, 2012
what is the end goal.is it the total subjugation of us, the work force,because if it is we can with draw that in an instant,where as i could survive with out them,they can not survive with out us, can you see the trumps and the rothchilds shopping, growing their own,and cooking it.they will do as they wish,how ever they wish,but it is a house of cards,and their blind faith in wealth and power means they cant see the wood for the trees.god help the young of today.21st century slaves.we brits are on camara on average 300 times a day, orwell got it right but to early. and microsoft wants tiny teeny bitsy camara's in your tv,they have a patent,to watch you,2000 swedish have had trackers implanted,they put up their hands to have it done,drones,sheeple,call it what you will.camara's on pets next.
TabulaMentis
1 / 5 (1) Apr 03, 2012
@Hagger:

It will all depend on which side personal in the military will take when it comes time to start killing Americans, Brits, etc.. If there are no jobs except for government jobs, then that question could become very debatable. With artificial intelligence and robotics soon to take over the work force, then who needs humans? In the future the question will also be who is going to pay back the National debt? Those people in Washington are stupid or are they?

As far as cameras in TVs, it is not very easy to hide the camera signals, at this point in time, though that will change with time. Now for eavesdropping devices inside peoples homes, offices and cars, now that is easy to do.