Scientists call for fundamental governance overhaul to ensure Earth's sustainability

Mar 15, 2012

Some 32 social scientists and researchers from around the world, including a Senior Sustainability Scholar at Arizona State University, have concluded that fundamental reforms of global environmental governance are needed to avoid dangerous changes in the Earth system. The scientists argued in the March 16 edition of the journal Science that the time is now for a "constitutional moment" in world politics.

Research now indicates that the world is nearing critical tipping points in the Earth system, including on climate and biodiversity, which if not addressed through a new framework of governance could lead to rapid and irreversible change.

"Science assessments indicate that human activities are moving several of Earth's sub-systems outside the range of natural variability typical for the previous 500,000 years," wrote the authors in the opening of "Navigating the Anthropocene: Improving Earth System Governance."

Reducing the risk of potential global environmental disaster requires the development of "a clear and ambitious roadmap for institutional change and effective sustainability governance within the next decade," comparable in scale and importance to the reform of international governance that followed World War II, they wrote.

In particular, the group argued for the creation of a Sustainable Development Council that would better integrate sustainability concerns across the United Nations system. Giving a leading role to the 20 largest economies (G20) would help the council act effectively. The authors also suggested an upgrade of the UN Environment Program to a full-fledged international organization, a move that would give it greater authority and more secure funding

To keep these institutions accountable to the public, the scientists called for stronger consultative rights for representatives of civil society, including representatives from developing countries, NGOs, consumers and indigenous peoples.

"We should seek input from people closest to the ground, not just from the elites, not just at the 30,000-feet level," noted Kenneth W. Abbott, a professor of international relations in ASU's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law. "Consultations should not take place only at the global scale, where the broadest policies are created, but also at local scales, smaller scales, all scales," he said.

To improve the speed of decision-making in international negotiations, the authors called for stronger reliance on qualified majority voting. "There has to be a change in international negotiating procedures from the current situation, in which no action can be taken unless consensus is reached among all participating governments," Abbott said.

The authors also called for governments "to close remaining regulatory gaps at the global level," including the treatment of emerging technologies.

"A great deal of attention has been given to issues such as climate change, yet nanotechnology and other emerging technologies, which may bring significant benefits, also carry potential risks for sustainable development," Abbott said.

Relying on research by Abbott and his colleagues at ASU's College of Law, the authors wrote that emerging technologies "need an international institutional arrangement–such as one or several multilateral framework conventions" to support forecasting and transparency, and to ensure that environmental risks are taken into account.

"Working to make the world economy more green and to create an effective institutional framework for sustainable development will be the two main focal points at this summer's United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development in Rio de Janeiro," Abbott said. "This article was written to bring urgency to those discussions and to outline specific 'building blocks' for a more effective and sustainable Earth system governance system."

The authors also argued for increased financial support for poorer nations. "More substantial financial resources could be made available through novel financial mechanisms, such as global emissions markets or air transportation levies for sustainability purposes," they wrote.

Lead author Frank Biermann, of Free University Amsterdam and Lund University, Sweden, said, "Societies must change course to steer away from critical tipping points in the Earth system that could lead to rapid and irreversible change. Incremental change is no longer sufficient to bring about societal change at the level and with the speed needed to stop Earth system transformation.

"Structural change in global governance is needed, both inside and outside the UN system and involving both public and private actors," said Biermann, who also is chair of the scientific steering committee of the Earth System Governance Project.

All 32 authors of the Science article are affiliated with the Earth System Governance Project, a global alliance of researchers and leading research institutions, specializing in the scientific study of international and national environmental governance. ASU's Abbott is one of some 50 lead faculty of the Earth System Governance Project. Lead faculty are scientists of high international reputation who share responsibility for research on earth system governance. Additional information is at http://earthsystemgovernance.org.

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deatopmg
1.8 / 5 (37) Mar 15, 2012
AGW is essentially dead, exposed for the gross distortions of the science that has taken place, so earth systems governance must be the next ploy for gaining and dictating control by these same pathetic people.
ArtflDgr
2.2 / 5 (24) Mar 15, 2012
Where is a Stalin to take over the world and impose the researchers will when you need the "man of steel"...
ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (37) Mar 15, 2012
Protecting private property rights would be a great first step.
Not many places in the world protect private property rights and those that do are prosperous.
But the 'scientists' have for too long sided with the socialists in spite of their failures.
http://www.nation...s-sowell
pauljpease
3.6 / 5 (27) Mar 15, 2012
Protecting private property rights would be a great first step.
Not many places in the world protect private property rights and those that do are prosperous.
But the 'scientists' have for too long sided with the socialists in spite of their failures.
http://www.nation...s-sowell


Calling any nation on Earth "prosperous" is like calling someone with no income but a million dollar limit on their credit card "rich". If the "prosperous" nations you speak of happen to have temporarily improved their standard of living it in no way shows that those gains will be more than fleeting. All evidence in fact points to the reverse, that resource scarcity will decimate the standard of living in those so-called prosperous nations. Buy hey, enjoy your excess while it lasts, just like all the people who spend recklessly with credit because it's fun in the short term.
ryggesogn2
2.2 / 5 (31) Mar 15, 2012
I see pauli doesn't understand the concept of wealth creation.
Callippo
1.3 / 5 (24) Mar 15, 2012
Scientists call for fundamental governance overhaul to ensure Earth's sustainability
Unfortunately, the role of scientists in it is very disputable. Just the scientists are, who ignored not only cold fusion, but another fundamental findings for years. They're attracted just to research, which can provide the highest number of grants and job positions, no matter how actually useful this research is. Actually, IMO just the physicists are, who is responsible for contemporary energetic (and subsequently) financial crisis and approaching nuclear crisis in Iran. If we consider, the first notion of anomalous heat evolution with hydrogen at Raney nickel comes from the end of 50's, we could have the cold fusion reactors for forty years already! Such a ignorance is really embarrassing.
dogbert
1.9 / 5 (27) Mar 15, 2012
If the socialists cannot redistribute resources through their AGW fear tactics (and that has failed), the next move is to try to create a one world controlling order (government) which would impose that redistribution.

deatopmg hit the nail on the head.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (21) Mar 15, 2012
A sealed nuclear 'battery' ready for use.
http://www.gen4energy.com/
I recall the same doomsday scenario in the 70s from the Club of Rome.
kochevnik
2.4 / 5 (17) Mar 15, 2012
I see pauli doesn't understand the concept of wealth creation.
That's hilarious, coming from someone getting paid at most $1 to post Koch propaganda and lies on the Internet. Too bad for you Stalin is dead. That was their only "concept of wealth creation" that actually panned out.
Modernmystic
1.3 / 5 (15) Mar 15, 2012
Every point is idiotic in the extreme...

Especially the last one. Which ever country develops mature nanotech first "wins"...they aren't going to share it for ANY amount of pleas, wishes, money, or anything else you care to name. Moreover they're quite likely to prevent any other country from developing mature nanotech and they'll be QUITE capable of doing so...
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (22) Mar 15, 2012
Fred Koch earned the family nest egg from USSR by showing them how to create wealth. The Soviets redistributed that wealth impoverishing millions while the Koch family invested their wealth expanding opportunities for millions.
Under capitalism, wealth is created and distributed to those who earn it. Under socialism, wealth is destroyed in the process of redistribution.
Jeddy_Mctedder
4.5 / 5 (22) Mar 15, 2012
is it me? or is physorg's comment boards now inundated with kooks and government paid posters?
ormondotvos
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 15, 2012
Yes, kooks and kochs have taken over the phyorg comment boards.

Money doesn't talk, it screams...Dylan
Shelgeyr
3.6 / 5 (14) Mar 15, 2012
@Jeddy_Mctedder asked:
is it me?

It isn't you. Good observation though.
Howhot
Mar 15, 2012
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Dug
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 15, 2012
After reading the following peak commodity links - it would appear we reach "sustainability" in the next 30-50 years - one way or another:

http://en.wikiped...osphorus

http://en.wikiped...d_mining

seekingalpha.com/article/182522-taking-stock-of-phosphorus-and-biofuels

http://www.energy...de/33164

http://www.foreig...ents=yes

http://gigaom.com...eak-oil/

http://krex.k-sta...097/6243

http://www.nature...20111006

http://news.cnet....-54.html

http://www.scienc...2332.htm

www1.eere.energy....dmap.pdf

http://www.biocep...PLE.html
mrlewish
2.2 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
Huh? Why all the complexity? Simple, promote condoms and educate women, and eliminate socialist things like giving tax breaks and giving incentives to people that decide to have children. I didn't say punish them.. just don't promote it.
kochevnik
3.7 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2012
Fred Koch earned the family nest egg from USSR by showing them how to create wealth. The Soviets redistributed that wealth impoverishing millions while the Koch family invested their wealth expanding opportunities for millions.
LOL you have that ass-backwards. Stalin showed Koch how to create wealth, Soviet style. Koch tried to sell his idea in the capitalist West and had his ass handed back to him. The "invisible hand of the free market" left him sore. Since you adhere to the tenants of feral capitalism, you must agree with it's judgement that he sucked. He deserved to be trampled by greater minds.

I keep reposting this because your are a stupid robot with a broken record for a brain.
antialias_physorg
4.2 / 5 (19) Mar 16, 2012
and educate women, and eliminate socialist things...

'Socialist things'...you mean like 'education'?
Szkeptik
4.3 / 5 (22) Mar 16, 2012
Has physorg really come to this? An article about environmental protection followed by a dozen halfwits spewing hateful nonsense. Not a single useful or insightful comment to be found anywhere. Pathetic.
dogbert
1.6 / 5 (21) Mar 16, 2012
Szkeptik,
Has physorg really come to this? An article about environmental protection followed by a dozen halfwits spewing hateful nonsense.


Except, of course, the article is not about environmental protection. It is about forming a global government.

You should read it.
Szkeptik
4.2 / 5 (19) Mar 16, 2012

Except, of course, the article is not about environmental protection. It is about forming a global government.

You should read it.


I have read it and there's no trace of a global conspiracy. I assure you it's all just in your head. All they are suggesting is a stronger, more focused environmental protection program.
dogbert
1.8 / 5 (20) Mar 16, 2012
Szkeptik,
All they are suggesting is a stronger, more focused environmental protection program.

Try reading it again. Below is just a summary statement from the article:
In the article, 32 international scholars warn that incremental change is not sufficient to bring about societal change at the level and with the speed necessary. "Structural change in global governance is needed, both inside and outside the United Nations (UN) system and involving both public and private actors."


"Structural change in global governance" means a global government.
casualjoe
4.1 / 5 (18) Mar 16, 2012
dogbert,

Structural change in global governance is absolutely necessary to prevent total environmental collapse, science based change can only be a positive thing for our planet. This is not about money, so there is no need for paranoia regarding corruption or NWO.
rubberman
4.3 / 5 (16) Mar 16, 2012
dogbert,

Structural change in global governance is absolutely necessary to prevent total environmental collapse, science based change can only be a positive thing for our planet. This is not about money, so there is no need for paranoia regarding corruption or NWO.


As true as this is, you won't convince any of the people posting against it here of the accuracy of your statement. They know more than 32 international scholars, and they have also somehow managed to access the REAL information on our planets finite resources which have actually turned out to be infinite after all...hence the reasons for these suggested changes MUST be politically motivated.
stealthc
2.5 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
This plea reeks of world government and begging for the wellspring of evil united nations (that uses a veneer of championing "human rights", a nice tavistock researched marketing campaign malthusian governments use, also of note, the very bankers we all have a problem with are GOOD buddies with the united nations, part of the council of 300, which also includes the rotten royals, goldman sachs, the rothschilds, etc). Also, Occupy was rolled out by these same people to frog march us there. World government, world currency, or world policy, unless it is a declaration of individualism in that we get to decide to which collectives we belong, is otherwise treason on it's face. People need to decide, does government wipe everyone's butts for them in a micro-managing nanny-state or do we become upright people who can take care of themselves and learn how to adapt to these new times. I vote for the latter, as well as freedom! I do not trust these scientists.
Moebius
3.5 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
AGW is essentially dead, exposed for the gross distortions of the science that has taken place, so earth systems governance must be the next ploy for gaining and dictating control by these same pathetic people.


Like most things that are necessary, the forces of stupidity will prevent it from happening. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we are incapable of change until it's too late. By the time the voices of stupidity are silenced they will find some other way to use their stupidity to insure the inevitable course of events. Freedom is a joke, we can't survive it as long as we let stupid people voice their opinions.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Mar 16, 2012
, we can't survive it as long as we let stupid people voice their opinions.

The essence of socialist thought: we know everything, you know nothing. Shut up and let we, the enlightened, lead you to utopia.
ryggesogn2
2.2 / 5 (16) Mar 16, 2012
They know more than 32 international scholars,

What about the other international scholars who disagree?
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
Stalin showed Koch how to create wealth, Soviet style.


Murder was not Fred Koch's style.
kaasinees
3.4 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
, we can't survive it as long as we let stupid people voice their opinions.

The essence of socialist thought: we know everything, you know nothing. Shut up and let we, the enlightened, lead you to utopia.


"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols." Aldous Huxley
RitchieGuy
1.9 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
dogbert,

Structural change in global governance is absolutely necessary to prevent total environmental collapse, science based change can only be a positive thing for our planet. This is not about money, so there is no need for paranoia regarding corruption or NWO.


As true as this is, you won't convince any of the people posting against it here of the accuracy of your statement. They know more than 32 international scholars, and they have also somehow managed to access the REAL information on our planets finite resources which have actually turned out to be infinite after all...hence the reasons for these suggested changes MUST be politically motivated.


Global governance will qualify as global tyranny, with the rulers in charge being in preset mode to provide for the least successful populations in their own countries, while removing much of the wealth from those countries whose innovations and intellect enabled their people to acquire and retain wealth. cont'd
RitchieGuy
1.6 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
The governed will find that any of their future innovations will be strictly controlled for the benefit of the poor who are incapable or unwilling to help themselves and practice good governance on themselves as individuals. Able-bodied citizens of any country will be required to produce and then be taxed heavily on their earnings to pay for the welfare programs of those who are unwilling to produce.
Those who are physically handicapped will also be provided for, but it is less likely that they will be attacked in principle for not contributing by their peers. It is unlikely also that charitable and religious organizations would be allowed to offer help to the poor and infirmed and their tax exempt status will be abolished. There would be wholesale oppression against believers in a faith base to counter their individuality and, as with all those whose individuality is paramount to their existence in this life, it will be stamped out by force, if necessary.
RitchieGuy
1.6 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
Global governance will not be equal and fair governance. The problem with it is the quality, decisiveness, and morality base of those who would govern. Countries ruled by despots and dictators are already a microcosm of the type of inferior governance which is in effect today. . .and has been for much of the world's history.

Another problem with G.G. is that it will not be easy for the world to be rid of tyrants and criminals as rulers in such a global governance body. They will have extraordinary powers and will not allow for any individuality or private property holdings. Global governance will limit the use of energy sources for all the populace in each country, no matter in which latitude they live. In their striving for total equality, there will be only misery for all. Cheating and theft will be 2 of the biggest problems with such a system, and a greater number of murders will happen by the global government, as happens now in countries ruled by tyrants.
rubberman
4.3 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
Yes Ritchie. We are moments away from the monumentous acheivement of a New world order, specifically designed to break the backs and wills of all working class. We will institute change not because it is required for sustainability, but just for our own twisted joke on you...the equatorial spain loving sweet sorgum farmer. You will squirm under the Tyranny of our giant green boot while we laugh and dole out your possessions to the wretched of the world who did work to earn it like you did....then you will be assigned a number and a closet to live in.
These are the true wishes of all scientists and environmentalists...jackass.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
, we can't survive it as long as we let stupid people voice their opinions.

The essence of socialist thought: we know everything, you know nothing. Shut up and let we, the enlightened, lead you to utopia.


"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols." Aldous Huxley

So concentrate such stupidity into an unelected global government bureaucracy?
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (15) Mar 16, 2012
Ha. . .it figures that a "POLITICAL SCIENTIST" is one of the authors of that paper.
From the article: ""Close remaining regulatory gaps at the global level, including in the development and deployment of emerging technology like nanotechnology, synthetic biology and geo-engineering, to ensure transparency, information-sharing, engage multiple stakeholders in policy dialogues and ensure that environmental considerations are fully respected.""

Well well well. . .Political and environmental considerations, plus the complete governance over innovative technology and other scientific research.

It is not enough for this crew to just advocate a global trend toward the lessening of man-caused pollution through recycling and other means. NO. . .there has to be a tyrant-in-charge to enforce that which every person should be educated in, along with their regular school curriculum.

Will they then hire people to sift through your garbage to find out whether or not you're recycling cat litter
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (15) Mar 16, 2012
@ rubberman. . .actually, I am very interested in Spain. I was born in Sicily, which is also on the Mediterranean. It's funny that you should mention my sweet sorghum project. This year is the first time that I am growing sweet sorghum and the seeds are now planted in the ground on 40 of my acres. Sweet sorghum grows very well in the southern states, and has been used mainly for the syrup that comes from it. I know that you're thinking of the sweet sorghum that I believe will also grow well in semi-arid deserts, but my land is not semi-arid, so I will leave that up to the researchers in Arizona in their desert project. If their project turns out to be successful, it will free up the growing of corn for ethanol and Monsanto will be happy as more people will buy corn products as food.

OH, and unless you are one of the elite in that global governance racket, YOU TOO will have the boot on your own neck. BTW, I am already a conservationist. . .have been for a long time.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2012
Here's some info about Sicily and it's lack of rain. . .similar to southern Spain's problem.

http://www.bestof...rt51.htm
rubberman
4.1 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2012
Ritchie, there will never be a global government that possesses any more power than to suggest intelligent courses of action. The US and China simply would not comply with global governance, neither will have domestic policy dictated by foreign/global interests, regardless of how universally beneficial said interests may be. China is growing/modernizing too quickly to put the brakes on and most US citizens are just not ready to care about the rest of the worlds concerns, or perceive said intelligent suggestions as threats...as is demonstrated by the fear response whenever sustainability and change towards it are mentioned. The dire long term outcome of humanities current activities aren't a mystery, they are in the slow but sure process of coming to fruition and we're the generation that is watching it happen while we argue about what to do and, with the ignorant, argue about if it is happening at all...of course all of this is just my opinion based on the information at my disposal.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
rubberman. . .another btw. . .a group of us who are growing sweet sorghum for biofuel this year have decided to purchase a large enough tank with a meter for the biofuel to be stored in, and that meter will record how much each of us takes out. Everyone can only take out as much as was contributed for storage. It would be too expensive for each of us to have our own private underground tank, so this is the best method after the mill crushes the stalks and ferments it for us until it turns into an alcohol. It will then be taken by a tank truck to the permanent storage.
How do you like that?
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
rubberman. . .China is already ruled by tyrants aka Communists, and if Obama gets reelected, we may be heading that way also. . but you're wrong about Americans not caring about environmental issues. We also have to breathe that air and most of us are enlightened enough to want a clean world for us and our descendants to live in. But as I've said, the teaching of conservation should be included with the normal curriculum in schools. . .but not to scare the kids. They, in turn, will bring that info home to their parents who will most likely comply because they care enough about the future of their kids. But all the heavy handed, do-it-or-else nonsense is not going to convince anyone of its importance.
RitchieGuy
1.4 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
And forceful removing of wealth from a nation to serve other less enlightened nations who are ruled by tyrants is not going to be very popular here, and it isn't because of greed. A fundamental overhaul for sustainability carries with it a tremendous load of responsibility and accountability for the rulers, as well as for the governed. Problem is that with power comes a desire to hold on to that power. You've seen that with Gaddafy, Saddam, Assad, Chavez, the Castro brothers and even with Putin. It comes with the territory when extraordinary men are given extraordinary power over the people
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (43) Mar 16, 2012
"Shut up and let we, the enlightened, lead you to utopia." - RyggTard

Yup, that is the Libertarian plan.
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (43) Mar 16, 2012
Sorry Tard Boy, but there isn't a Libertarian alive who is a legitimate "scholar".

"What about the other international scholars who disagree?" - RyggTard
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (13) Mar 16, 2012
Want an sustainable society? Unleash free markets from the yokes of the 'progressives'.
Note this was written 20 years ago:
"Fixation on doomsaying can cause environmentalists to forget that the negative consequences of industrialization are minute compared to the positive developments of the industrial age. People are healthier, live longer, and are more productive than ever before in history. But defenders of industrialism can go even further to show that in many cases technological progress has benefited the environment. This is vividly demonstrated in the case of one of the most emotion-laden symbols of environmentalism, the whales."
"Humans are problem solvers, and the human mind should not be prevented from doing what only it can do. Creative solutions are superior to state restrictions because they strike at the causes of problems, not their effects."
http://www.thefre...-whales/
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (13) Mar 16, 2012
"Furthermore, just as creative action produces unintentional positive consequences, restricting innovation multiplies negative effects. No one, especially government agencies or neo-Luddites, can anticipate the indirect or unintended favorable consequences of technological innovation. This is why Abraham Gesner, John D. Rockefeller and Thomas Edison saved more whales than GreenPeace ever will."
http://www.thefre...-whales/
"Despite ups and downs in prices over the course of the past century, a wager in 1900 would have been won in 1999 by the person who predicted a decrease in natural resource prices. (Prices are adjusted for inflation using 1998 as the base year.)"
http://www.perc.o...e588.php
RitchieGuy
1.6 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
LOL. . .Venditard. . .I KNEW you would show up with your Libertarian this and Conservative that. It's hard for anyone on Physorg just how you have come up with anyone's political affiliation when it is doubtful that anyone has ever confessed their partisan affiliation to you. . .or anyone else. Certainly Rygg2 cannot be a Libertarian unless he is also for legalizing illegal drugs and marijuana. I sure don't believe in legalizing drugs that can kill and injure teenagers and others.
Janis Joplin and a host of many other rockers died from overdoses and their music went with them. I don't favor Libertarianism because it's too close to Liberalism.
Utopia? Venditard wants Utopia. LOL
Conservatives don't look for a Utopia. All we want is the freedom to live the way we feel like. Conservationists are also Conservative. . .they just don't advertise it the way you AGWites advertise your AGW.
BTW, there is still no evidence that global warming is caused exclusively by AGW
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (44) Mar 16, 2012
Well you see... If it smells like dung then it probably comes from the mouth of a Republican. If it also looks like dung then it comes from the mouth of a Libertarian.

"It's hard for anyone on Physorg just how you have come up with anyone's political affiliation " - RichieTard
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (44) Mar 16, 2012
Too bad the laws of physics are constraining you from doing so.

Hence the invention of your fantasy home planet of Conservadopia, where the laws of nature are altered to be accommodating to your Conservative political liedeology.

"Conservatives don't look for a Utopia. All we want is the freedom to live the way we feel like." - RichieTard

We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating new realities ... we're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do. - Bush Aid
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
Rich, I do not support legalizing drugs.
I support decriminalizing drugs.
The key difference is state control via taxation and state responsibility.
RitchieGuy
1.3 / 5 (13) Mar 16, 2012
There he goes again. . .doing the Bush fandango. It's sure getting stale like a room that was smoke-filled from the night before.
Fantasy home planet? You've already lost the argument with that silly statement, Tardo
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (43) Mar 16, 2012
And child molestation too if you are a true Libertarian and the child is willing.

Freeeeeedumb.... Freeeeeeeedumb......

"I support decriminalizing drugs." - RyggTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (41) Mar 16, 2012
Transmission from planet Conservadopia received.

"Fantasy home planet?" - RitchieTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (42) Mar 16, 2012
RyggTard believes that slavery to the Corporation is eternal.

"Want an sustainable society? Unleash free markets from the yokes of the 'progressives'." - RyggTard
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
Rygg2. . .decriminalizing hard drugs is fine if you could ensure that all the pushers (god damn them) were honest and wish to comply with taxation laws. But they elude the law enforcers for the most part and, being criminals, don't pay taxes anyway. The only illegal drugs I don' mind being decriminalized are the medical marijuana prescribed by a doctor; or morphine and heroin prescribed to a dying person to ease the pain. Otherwise, pushers and dealers go after young kids to get them addicted and they have no conscience at all or care about others. Now THAT IS greed.
RitchieGuy
1.4 / 5 (13) Mar 16, 2012
Vendotard says:
RyggTard believes that slavery to the Corporation is eternal.

"Want an sustainable society? Unleash free markets from the yokes of the 'progressives'." - RyggTard


Hmmm. . .slavery to the corporations. . .wait a minute. . .does that mean having a JOB?
Does that also mean buying products made by corporations like a car, food, a winter jacket, home heating oil, TVs, . . .wow, even a COMPUTER?
RitchieGuy
1.6 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2012
I'm beginning to think that corporations aren't so bad, after all. As long as they don't try to take my guns away like big gummint wants to do (if they can get away with it).
Vendicar_Decarian
1.1 / 5 (45) Mar 16, 2012
But RichieTard... You forget.. Taxes are pure theft.

"Rygg2. . .decriminalizing hard drugs is fine if you could ensure that all the pushers (god damn them) were honest and wish to comply with taxation laws" - RichieTard

"Otherwise, pushers and dealers go after young kids and get them addicted..." - RichieTard

Like the Tobacco Companies, and the Toy companies, and the fast food Companies, etc. etc.. etc...

And of course, the Libertarian Heritage Foundation.

Vendicar_Decarian
1.1 / 5 (45) Mar 16, 2012
In Conservative AmErIca for every dollar, you can have one dollar of freedom but not one penny more.

"I'm beginning to think that corporations aren't so bad, after all. As long as they don't try to take my guns away like big gummint wants to do (if they can get away with it)." - RichieTard
RitchieGuy
1.1 / 5 (12) Mar 16, 2012
I can see about 47 milion unemployed begging corporations, "ENSLAVE ME, ENSLAVE ME, PUHLEEEZE.

:)
Venditard thinks that taxes are pure theft. . .however, it is TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION and UNFAIR TAXATION OF THOSE WHO ARE OVERTAXED ALREADY that are pure theft. I pay my fair share and always have. So does my wife and the rest of my family. I have no problem with fair taxation as it enables me to drive over bridges and in tunnels.
But phony baloney plastic banana reasons for taxation under the Obamalamadingdong administration, like Solyndra and the recently demised Abound Solar Manufacturing makes me very angry. I may have to go into anger management counseling for that. LOL
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (44) Mar 16, 2012
In your Capitalist system more than 80 percent of labor is unproductive, so at a minimum 80 percent of all labor is pure slavery.

"Hmmm. . .slavery to the corporations. . .wait a minute. . .does that mean having a JOB?" - RichieTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (42) Mar 16, 2012
Yup. It is a sad commentary on the intellectual capacity of the American people, and a testament to how easily and thoroughly they are brainwashed.

"I can see about 47 milion unemployed begging corporations, "ENSLAVE ME, ENSLAVE ME, PUHLEEEZE." - RichieTard

Fortunately for Americans, the American state will no longer exist by the end of the decade.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2012
Venditardo needs anger management counseling too. . .he seriously believes that people will stop farting CO2 and methane, (cows are also in that category) just because he thinks that people and cows are the only ones to blame for the alleged GW. Even if GW is true, there are other forces tha add to the CO2 in the atmosphere and in the oceans. As I've said many times before. . .
VOLCANIC HYDROTHERMAL VENTS EXUDE CO2 AND METHANE BUBBLES THAT FLOAT UP TO THE WATER'S SURFACE.
Every time the Earth rumbles and moves. . .CO2
Subduction of continents. . .CO2
Island building. . .CO2
Magma coming out. . .CO2
Venditard sitting in his bathtub farting. . .CO2
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2012
But RichieTard... You forget.. Taxes are pure theft.

"Rygg2. . .decriminalizing hard drugs is fine if you could ensure that all the pushers (god damn them) were honest and wish to comply with taxation laws" - RichieTard

"Otherwise, pushers and dealers go after young kids and get them addicted..." - RichieTard

Like the Tobacco Companies, and the Toy companies, and the fast food Companies, etc. etc.. etc...

And of course, the Libertarian Heritage Foundation.



Oh. . .golly, I keep forgetting. . .the toy companies go after grownups to get them addicted to playing with toys.
And the tobacco companies still haven't put a warning on their cigarette packs about the dangers of smoking.
And the fast food companies still haven't reduced the fat content on their yummy burgers and fries.
Gee. . .I really need to call Kathleen Sebelius and tell her off for keeping Americans fat.
RitchieGuy
1.3 / 5 (12) Mar 16, 2012


Fortunately for Americans, the American state will no longer exist by the end of the decade.


In your dreams, Tardo
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
Venditardo says:
In your Capitalist system more than 80 percent of labor is unproductive, so at a minimum 80 percent of all labor is pure slavery.

"Hmmm. . .slavery to the corporations. . .wait a minute. . .does that mean having a JOB?" - RichieTard


Now if more than 80% of labor is unproductive, that doesn't mean slavery. It means that more than 80% would be only PRETENDING to work and NOT EARNING their salary. There is no slavery involved, whether the people are working or not working in corporations. The nonworkers are just taking up space and not doing their faIr share.
Nope. . .no slavery.
Now, if you mean slavery in the Soviet Union, yes. . .there was slavery.
A famous saying in the Soviet Union is, "WE PRETEND TO WORK, AND THEY PRETEND TO PAY US."
RitchieGuy
1.3 / 5 (15) Mar 16, 2012
http://www.physor...gan.html

Here is proof that a huge portion of Atmospheric and oceanic CO2 and methane come from Earth's movements as I have said many times in many posts. Over billions of years the Earth moves and gases are released into the oceans and atmosphere. That's Nature.
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (43) Mar 16, 2012
It means that RichieTard is incapable of learning.

But then we have known that for a long time.

"It means that more than 80% would be only PRETENDING to work and NOT EARNING their salary." - RichieTard

Building a refrigerator that lasts half as long as a previous model means that twice as much labor is needed.

Poor Richie Tard. You have such a small capacity mind.
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (44) Mar 16, 2012
Yes. Amazing "proof" from an article that talks about oxygen isotopes 3 billion years ago and which does not mention CO2 at all.

"Here is proof that a huge portion of Atmospheric and oceanic CO2 and methane come from Earth's movements" - RichieTard

There is a reason for the Tard portion of the RichieTard label.

We have now seen why.
3432682
1.9 / 5 (13) Mar 16, 2012
"Scientists call for fundamental governance overhaul to ensure Earth's sustainability"

Socialists have taken over "science". Where is the science in their study? This is just more Malthusian nonsense, spreading fear, confusion and doubt. Prosperity allows nations to afford protecting their environments. Socialism brings only tyranny, poverty and and Euro-style bankruptcy and economic chaos.
Howhot
4.3 / 5 (12) Mar 16, 2012
SOCIALISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER "SCIENCE"!!!

What a gumball head. The science is already there dude.

SOCIALISM BRINGS ONLY TYRANNY!!!

What a gumball head. That mean science only brings tyranny???

ECONOMIC CHAOS.

What a gumball head. Economic chaos over global extinction?

Howhot
4.1 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2012
To itchieguy, A famous saying in the USA, UNION.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (41) Mar 16, 2012
"Socialists have taken over "science"" - 34xxxx

Intelligent people know that global problems require global solutions and global solutions require coordinated effort, and coordinated effort = governance.

Reason = Socialism in the view of 34xxxx Tard for he is a Tard.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.7 / 5 (40) Mar 16, 2012
Yes.. Yes... Exponential growth can continue indefinately.

"Prosperity allows nations to afford protecting their environments" - 34Tard

Oh wait... It can't.

ConservaTarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (43) Mar 16, 2012
Absolutely. Americans love doing the bidding of their corporate masters. They have no dreams of acquiring enough wealth for them to leave their jobs and live a life of leisure.

What Americans really want are longer work days and longer work weeks. God only intended for there to be 1 day of rest, and 12 hours of rest is good enough for any slave - er - man.

"There is no slavery involved, whether the people are working or not working in corporations." - RichieTard

Isn't that right RichieTard?
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (43) Mar 16, 2012
I thank American Republicans for making my dream of American Bankruptcy a reality.

"In your dreams, Tardo" -RichieTard

Starve the beast of big Gubderment... Right RichieTard?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2012
I'm beginning to think that corporations aren't so bad, after all. As long as they don't try to take my guns away like big gummint wants to do (if they can get away with it).

Only those corporations that don't use govt power to limit their competition.
The 'progressive' way is for political entrepreneurs to have regulations passed that put their competition out of business. This is called phony capitalism. Bill Gates found out what happens when you don't pay off the right people in DC.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Mar 16, 2012
decriminalizing hard drugs is fine if you could ensure that all the pushers (god damn them) were honest and wish to comply with taxation laws.

You missed my point. I would not support taxation on drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. It is the govts that get hooked on such taxes. One govt agency tries to get people to quit while another rakes in the taxes.
Also, the govt must hold people accountable for any harm caused while using a drug. No excuses.
kochevnik
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
and educate women, and eliminate socialist things...

'Socialist things'...you mean like 'education'?
I think he meant those communist agendas, like breathable air. On lunar and martian colonies air will be bought and sold to the highest bidder, and man will achieve the libertarian utopia.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2012
Ritchie keeps flumiscating...
I am growing sweet sorghum...has been used mainly for the syrup that comes from it. I know that you're thinking of the sweet sorghum that I believe will also grow well in semi-arid deserts, but my land is not semi-arid, so I will leave that up to the researchers in Arizona
-But as I have been posting and posting:
Funny. U of Arizona is only just now working on a pilot plant project for sweet sorghum. They've grown 40 acres (coincidence?) but couldn't manage the logistics for even this test project because the intermediate support is not yet available.
http://obpreview2...t%20.pdf
Educate us ritchie. Tell us how you plan to do something that U of A hasnt figured out how to do yet? Id like to believe you - Id like to believe in your glass-head martians too - but I just cant without more info and less bull$hit.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (13) Mar 16, 2012
"Why don't you go to the Dean's office and
ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a
2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair
and equal distribution of GPA.'

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back,
'That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work!
Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my
tail off!'

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the Republican party.'"
http://patriotupd...-immoral
Howhot
4.2 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2012
itchieGuy says; "VOLCANIC HYDROTHERMAL VENTS EXUDE CO2 AND METHANE BUBBLES THAT FLOAT UP TO THE WATER'S SURFACE"

Duhhhhaaa.

Howhot
4.2 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2012
R2; I've always suspected you were a republicon operative "Welcome to the Republican party." and not a freelancer. Too bad. Brainwashed is hard to reason with.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2012
Rygg2 says:
decriminalizing hard drugs is fine if you could ensure that all the pushers (god damn them) were honest and wish to comply with taxation laws.

You missed my point. I would not support taxation on drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. It is the govts that get hooked on such taxes. One govt agency tries to get people to quit while another rakes in the taxes.
Also, the govt must hold people accountable for any harm caused while using a drug. No excuses.


OK, I get it now. However, I think along the lines of "it's me or them". The pushers should get taxed because they make a profit off the deaths of stupid people and that should be taxable income. It would be that much less taxes I and everyone else would have to pay. It would also be good for gov't to tax the users so that in the event that they die and no one claims the body, the tax would go toward their burial.
The only thing bad about it, is if they start taxing me for eating red meat. Not so good.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2012
howhot says:
itchieGuy says; "VOLCANIC HYDROTHERMAL VENTS EXUDE CO2 AND METHANE BUBBLES THAT FLOAT UP TO THE WATER'S SURFACE"

Duhhhhaaa.



so howhot. . .does this mean that you finally believe that any CO2 emissions are also caused by hydrothermal vents and not just AGW? it's about time. You weren't convinced for a long time, or were you just playing dumb?
kochevnik
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2012
Absolutely. Americans love doing the bidding of their corporate masters. They have no dreams of acquiring enough wealth for them to leave their jobs and live a life of leisure.

What Americans really want are longer work days and longer work weeks. God only intended for there to be 1 day of rest, and 12 hours of rest is good enough for any slave - er - man.
This is sadly true. America reminds me of a slave colony without fences. The only culture to be had is peppered among the colonial mansions.
R2; I've always suspected you were a republicon operative
Nah he's enjoying being Jewish: whipping up the goyum in a dialectic chaotic foam of thesis and antithesis while peering down from the synthesis to spot any rising cream. :)
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (8) Mar 17, 2012
howhot says:
R2; I've always suspected you were a republicon operative "Welcome to the Republican party." and not a freelancer. Too bad. Brainwashed is hard to reason with.


howhot, aside from your ranting on page 3 that "SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE". which is a clear indication that you are refusing your meds, it may be to your advantage to understand the definition of an "anecdote", which is what Rygg2's account of the girl with the 3.0 GPA is.
Just helping you out. :)
kochevnik
3.9 / 5 (8) Mar 17, 2012
Socialists have taken over "science". Where is the science in their study? This is just more Malthusian nonsense, spreading fear, confusion and doubt. Prosperity allows nations to afford protecting their environments. Socialism brings only tyranny, poverty and and Euro-style bankruptcy and economic chaos.
Oh my bad. 8billion people on the planet living free without tyranny right now. Not a worry to be found. Of course there's room for another 50billion. Especially with the oil running out, and five pounds of oil required to grow every pound of food! I don't see any reason why humanity will be pummeled down to a sustainable level of 2 billion. Nope. Just keep flipping those burgers and everything will work out for the best. If the horse eats enough oats, there will be plenty left over for the flies.
RitchieGuy
1.1 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
KommunistKomradeKochevnik says:
Absolutely. Americans love doing the bidding of their corporate masters. They have no dreams of acquiring enough wealth for them to leave their jobs and live a life of leisure.

What Americans really want are longer work days and longer work weeks. God only intended for there to be 1 day of rest, and 12 hours of rest is good enough for any slave - er - man.
This is sadly true. America reminds me of a slave colony without fences. The only culture to be had is peppered among the colonial mansions.
R2; I've always suspected you were a republicon operative
Nah he's enjoying being Jewish: whipping up the goyum in a dialectic chaotic foam of thesis and antithesis while peering down from the synthesis to spot any rising cream. :)


KKK. . .tell us. . .how does it feel to enjoy being Jewish? Most of my Jewish friends were born into it. Not much of a choice there.
Let's see. . .Venditard gets religion; KKK has experienced
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2012
cont'd

slave colonies; and KKK knows what it's like to be Jewish
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2012
Guys. . .that's amazing. . .such insight. . .and religion from Venditard too.
KKK, please tell us about the slave colonies without fences that you've experienced. Did it have anything to do with the. . .Gulag, by any chance?
And how many dissidents do you think your president Putinsky will put on trial in a kangaroo court and then send to Siberia?
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2012
Wow. . .history is being made tonight. I am in awe.
So is this how scientists are going to fundamentally overhaul sustainability? with political science?
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2012
KKK says:
Oh my bad. 8billion people on the planet living free without tyranny right now. Not a worry to be found. Of course there's room for another 50billion. Especially with the oil running out, and five pounds of oil required to grow every pound of food! I don't see any reason why humanity will be pummeled down to a sustainable level of 2 billion. Nope. Just keep flipping those burgers and everything will work out for the best. If the horse eats enough oats, there will be plenty left over for the flies.

5 pounds of oil? Don't you mean 5 GALLONS? Oh, I forgot you're in Russia, so you say.
I thought there was still 7 billion people, most of them in China.
Which kind of food? Beef on the hoof? or a 5 pound head of cabbage?
Flipping burgers? Ever hear of a George Forman grill?
If the horse eats enough oats, then it's time to muck out the stable.
kochevnik
4.2 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
KKK. . .tell us. . .how does it feel to enjoy being Jewish? Most of my Jewish friends were born into it. Not much of a choice there.
Let's see. . .Venditard gets religion; KKK has experienced
I wish I had been raised Jewish. Christianity is just so focused on the retarded. It's a wonder xtians somehow figure out how commerce works by their 30th birthday. Caesar revered the Christos which says a lot about his wisdom as a ruler.
5 pounds of oil? Don't you mean 5 GALLONS? Oh, I forgot you're in Russia, so you say.
No 5 pounds. I'm in California enjoying the Russian winter from afar. :)
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (43) Mar 17, 2012
RichieTard thinks many wrong things like how Spain is close to the equator. His following sentence is another fine example.

"I thought there was still 7 billion people, most of them in China." - RichieTard

Who needs facts or reality when you live on planet Conservadopia?
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (45) Mar 17, 2012
The best slaves are those who incapable of admitting to their own slavery.

Keeping Americans dumb and too busy to think is job $ #1 for America's Corporate Slave Masters.

Buy now and save.....

"KKK, please tell us about the slave colonies without fences that you've experienced." - RichieTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.7 / 5 (40) Mar 17, 2012
You left out Child Prostitution.

"You missed my point. I would not support taxation on drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, etc." - RyggTard
MarkyMark
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 17, 2012
Hmm seems to many here such Such as Richie has played so much Des Ex while high he now believes it is true. So Richie which shadow Goverment does Obama wok for? The Illuminati, MJ12..... The Bankers Guild???
Callippo
2 / 5 (4) Mar 17, 2012
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Mar 17, 2012
R2; I've always suspected you were a republicon operative "Welcome to the Republican party." and not a freelancer. Too bad. Brainwashed is hard to reason with.

Socialism is not based upon reason, as Karl Popper discovered.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2012
he pushers should get taxed because they make a profit off the deaths of stupid people

Killing your customers is not a long term business model.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
""Too many people are dependent on the compulsory charity of others through the government," Daniels said. "Too many people are simply selfish and short-sighted. They don't want to hear ... they will make life much less promising for their children in the future.""
http://news.inves...head.htm
How will increasing the size and scope of govt prevent economic collapse?
The first step to 'save the planet' is to save prosperous economies. When the O2 masks drop on a plane, put your mask on first so you are healthy enough to help others.
The only way to 'save the planet' it to do so from a position of economic strength, not poverty. But that is precisely what the AGWites propose, poverty.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2012
The pushers should get taxed because they make a profit off the deaths of stupid people

Killing your customers is not a long term business model.


The problem is not so much the drug pushers (although they do tend to get their victims addicted at a pretty young age), but the fact that too many young Americans are stupid and dumbed down by the "Hollywood culture" that they think it is cool to copy what those millionaire actors and producers do as far as using illegal drugs. Too many young Americans have been blinded to their self-worth and a good, healthy future. They live for the moment and that's why they're conned into doing the worst possible things on themselves, and dying as a result.
The pushers and dealers couldn't care less. . .knowing that they will always have new customers and lots of money from the stupid and ignorant kids. Stupidity and ignorance is the driving force of illegal drug use. They are part of the lost generation of this time. It's sad. (cont'd)
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2012
It's big money to be had. . .you might even say that drug pushers, dealers and drug cartels are their own corporation. They have workers in meth labs, etc. plus the poppy and marijuana growers (slave labor, as Venditard likes to call it), bankers (money laundering and police bribes), investors (world governments), CEOs (the rich drug cartels), customers (the stupid and ignorant includes the Occupy nutjobs), and its supporters (Venditard, Kochevnik, howhot, et al.)
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2012
Political Science (a useless college subject that was popular with the hippies in the 1960s through the 1980s) is tied in with AGWite propaganda because politics is a major factor in their proposed social and financial reconstruction of each first world country that thrives due to prosperity and freedom.
Prosperity and freedoms are anathema to the politics of AGW thought processes, in that the perceived inequality for and by the third world masses (in comparison to the successes of business, social structure and scientific innovation of the United States and other western countries) is the result of not sharing the wealth with those who have not earned it, and therefore have no legal or moral right to that wealth. And yet, the technology is most often freely shared with those third world countries to enable them to educate and assist their own people as to land reforms and superior animal and crop sustainability. Vast amounts of money have already been donated to third world countries
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2012
The problem is not so much the drug pushers (although they do tend to get their victims addicted at a pretty young age), but the fact that too many young Americans are stupid and dumbed down by the "Hollywood culture" that they think it is cool to copy what those millionaire actors and producers do as far as using illegal drugs. Too many young Americans have been blinded to their self-worth and a good, healthy future. They live for the moment and that's why they're conned into doing the worst possible things on themselves, and dying as a result.
The pushers and dealers couldn't care less. . .
Sorry ritchie youve been reported again for pointless verbiage, being egregiously off-topic, lying through your teeth, and demeaning this site by treating it like a chatroom. Go back to facebook will you?
RitchieGuy
1.4 / 5 (11) Mar 17, 2012
through government foreign aid and charitable programs, which somehow very seldom get to those people for whom the money is targeted. More often, the money is appropriated by the despotic rulers for their own use and the poor still suffer and starve. Attempts to alleviate their suffering by outside assistance may meet with resistance by government thugs hired to prevent the people from benefiting from foreign benefactors.
But politically motivated AGWites wish to relieve the first world of their wealth in order for the third world despotic rulers and their government thugs to assist their own people, but the money inevitably falls into the wrong hands and never reaches those for whom it would be intended.
Thus, the carbon tax is a sham.
Even foreign airport access that is carbon taxed similar to the Catholic indulgences or sin tax makes no sense.
Where will that money go?
Who will be in charge of that money?
For what purpose will that carbon tax money be used?
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2012
Here are some answers regarding the carbon tax. . .from Australia

http://www.herald...91830525

http://www.theage...c10.html
RazorsEdge
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2012
dogbert,

Structural change in global governance is absolutely necessary to prevent total environmental collapse, science based change can only be a positive thing for our planet. This is not about money, so there is no need for paranoia regarding corruption or NWO.


Where's the science? The main author is a POLITICAL SCIENTIST. When a political scientist talks about reform he's dreaming of power.
naqe
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 17, 2012
I'm so glad there are so many posts exposing the true nature of the world elite. No longer conspiracy, no longer myth, our world, our freedom and our children are being attacked by, for lack of a better word, "evil".
Time to get mad, stand up. Fight for your freedom and your rights. Fight for your children.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
and dying as a result.

Life's hard. It's even harder when you are stupid.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2012
8billion people on the planet living free without tyranny right now.

What planet is this?
Can't be earth. There are billions of people living under socialist tyrannies that limit their opportunities to create wealth and prosper.
krundoloss
4.8 / 5 (4) Mar 17, 2012
Virtually every problem in the world can be summed up in one statement:

Whenever a person, group or government is making a decision, they need to make the one that leads to long term benefit as opposed to short term benefit.

Think about it, someone chooses to keep everyone using fossil fuels because it is beneficial to the person making the decision. It is more beneficial for a poor man in South America to bulldoze part of the rainforest to plant crops to feed his family. It is beneficial to scientists to string thier research along and get more grant money. It is beneficial to oil companies when the forcefully bury technology that threatens thier market. It is beneficial in the short term for governments to keep up thier spending and ignore thier deficit.

The point of this article seems to be that we need some sort of worldwide directive to help everyone to make the right decisions to benefit the planet long term.
RitchieGuy
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
The problem with that, aka global governance, is who can be trusted to do the job well and fairly. And do they have a hidden agenda that will benefit only them and their cronies.
Putin is back in the Kremlin as president. What will HIS record be for the environment? Nobody knows the answers and nobody can really be trusted in that lofty position.World leaders lie. . .the other day, Obama said that we are drilling all over the country, except in the National Mall, and in "your" house.
He lied, but everyone in his audience smiled and clapped for the lies he told. Who can be trusted?
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
who can be trusted to do the job well and fairly.

That is always the excuse socialist use when it fails. They just didn't have the 'right' person in charge.
hey need to make the one that leads to long term benefit as opposed to short term benefit.

Whose long term benefit? The individual making the decision? That problem has been solved. It is called private property rights. I suspect there would be more family farms in the US if the govt didn't tax inheritance. A paid off farm could then be used as collateral to improve operations and help keep the land 'sustainable'.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2012
"To put that in further perspective, IER estimates that "the United States, Canada and Mexico have more technically recoverable natural gas resources than the combined total proved natural gas reserves found in Russia, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkmenistan."

Data like these make it clear that America's biggest problem on these issues isn't that it's impossible to "drill, drill, drill," but rather that the president, his appointees at agencies like EPA and the departments of energy and interior, and his Democratic allies in the Senate refuse to deal with the world as it is instead of how they wish it could be. "
http://washington...t/376061
Socialist wishes lead to depressions.
dogbert
2 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2012
ryggesogn2,
Socialist wishes lead to depressions.

Absolutely. And socialist activities blockade recovery from depressions.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (6) Mar 17, 2012
I was just reading the Communist Party USA website and clicked on the Socialist USA page by uber socialist Gus Hall (2001). He painted a beautiful picture, glowing with serene descriptions of the socialist answer to Capitalism that included jobs for all, with salaries according to the work and production done. He had almost everything included, even free health care from trained health personnel, education for everyone; uninterrupted immigration; and even the right to personal property. But he did NOT mention the right to land ownership and his farmer and agribusiness job description excluded any ownership rights and everything about it was too vague. It is a long piece of work, but it did open my eyes to a lot of things socialist For one thing, under socialism, everyone supposedly will be busy working (the number of hours and days wasn't mentioned). The children would be taken care of, but it didn't say if the parents were to raise their own kids, or surrogate mothers would do it.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (5) Mar 17, 2012
It mentioned the environment, but that too was vague. The whole thing seemed to take on a surreal expression of a peaceful takeover rather than a hostile one. It mentions equality for all, racism, poverty and antisemitism would be eliminated, and everyone would have enough money to spend on the goods they wanted.
And I was wondering. . .where is the money going to come from to pay for maintenance of the infrastructure of everything and pay doctors, nurses, hospitals, scientists, judges, transportation, etc. etc.. I don't recall any mention of income or state or local taxes. I think Gus Hall was having a pipe dream when he wrote all that. He wanted to fundamentally change the people themselves to fit his Utopia. Well, I wondered how is he going to accomplish that? Drug them?
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (5) Mar 17, 2012
Here's the link:

http://www.cpusa....lism-usa

Know your enemy and understand their plan.
Even if the American people were to accept socialism, who will be the ruling class and who decides who lives and who dies.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.5 / 5 (39) Mar 17, 2012
And yet it seems to work very well for the tobacco industry and the illicit drug industry.

"Killing your customers is not a long term business model." - RyggTard

Once again we find that your Randite vision of reality does not mesh with reality.

Do you think that is why your hero Ayn Rand spent so much of her time on a government welfare program?

Shelgeyr
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2012
Scientists call for fundamental governance overhaul to ensure Earth's sustainability... A group of the world's leading environmental scholars... University of Toronto political scientist Steven Bernstein... In the article, 32 international scholars...


Let's see if we can parse this... "A group of the world's leading environmental scholars..." but wait! How are they defining "leading environmental scholar"? And why is the very first author mentioned by name a Canadian "political scientist", as opposed to, say, an "environmental scholar"?

So a group of 32 international egg-heads agitate for a totalitarian global hegemony which will govern according to their dictate-, excuse me, "recommendations"...

Pass, thanks.

While not exactly in the spirit of free give-and-take and unencumbered academic inquiry, which they wouldn't tolerate once in power anyways, the world would be a tiny bit safer - just a tiny bit - if they were run out of academia and their careers destroyed.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.5 / 5 (39) Mar 17, 2012
Absolutely RyggTard. All those unemployed Americans should be out there working for tips, shining shoes and prostituting their children on the street corners.

It's the Libertarian way.

"Too many people are simply selfish and short-sighted. They don't want to hear ... they will make life much less promising for their children in the future." - RyggTard

Meanwhile they should be starving in the streets where they belong, and where your Libertarian ideology put them.

Isn't that right RyggTard?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.5 / 5 (39) Mar 17, 2012
Good reading RichieTard.

Here is another fine link....

From Anti-Slavery to the Anti-Monopoly Strategy

http://www.cpusa....trategy/
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 17, 2012
Socialism must be imposed worldwide if it can ever have a hope to succeed.
Even Sweden had to back off their socialist plans when all their wealthy moved out. In response they eliminated their wealth tax hoping some of their wealthy would return.
In the USA, some states are less socialist than others. They are better off than the more socialist ones.
Some are backing off socialism. Indiana empowered their workers by not allowing unions to take their wages without consent.
Socialists can't allow competitors nor can they allow anyone to leave. Those caught escaping North Korea in China were returned, and most likely executed, along with their extended families.
That is the socialist way.
PosterusNeticus
5 / 5 (5) Mar 17, 2012
is it me? or is physorg's comment boards now inundated with kooks and government paid posters?


It's both true and sad. The article could be about breakfast cereal and the discussion space would overflow with delusional rants about how the "NWO" was suppressing "cold fusion" by promoting the cereal. Apparently this site is no longer moderated, which makes it a playground for the cuckoo birds.

Shelgeyr
2.1 / 5 (8) Mar 17, 2012
The article could be about breakfast cereal and the discussion space would overflow with delusional rants about how the "NWO" was suppressing "cold fusion" by promoting the cereal.

Well, true, but - I mean - aren't they?
.

(Kidding!)
_nigmatic10
2 / 5 (4) Mar 18, 2012
The easiest path to walk to obtain a stable stewardship of this planets environments is through socialism. To hold on to the ideals of true freedom and still obtain stability over the climates is a much longer road, but with greater rewards.
Shelgeyr
1 / 5 (2) Mar 18, 2012
Wow, _nigmatic10, I'm not sure who's "side" you would consider yourself on in this discussion, but I think I have to disagree with both aspects of your statement.

On one hand, contrary to being "the easiest path", socialism - global socialism - would only lead to ruin, including increased environmental destruction. It takes wealth to care for (and to be free to care about) the environment, especially long term.

On the other hand, although I'm entirely in favor of true freedom and its underlying ideals, even in the situation where they were realized, I think it would be folly to assume we could "obtain a stable stewardship of this planet's environments".

That will probably be forever beyond us, and even if distantly attainable, I'm not sure I'd classify that as a laudable goal.

But that's just me, and I'll admit I may not have understood your point.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
"AGW is essentially dead" - DeaTard

Coming in a year in which North Americans had no winter, I can only assume what DeaTard intended to write, was...

The American Republican Party is essentially brain dead, exposed for the gross distortions of the science that has taken place.

The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Dont Believe in Science (or Many Other Inconvenient Truths)

http://www.desmog...t-truths
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
Poor RyggTard, crying out for help in a life he finds almost impossible to cope with due to his mental disorder.

"Life's hard. It's even harder when you are stupid." - RyggTard

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
As a card carrying member of the Illuminati I must tell you NageTard... This is your third warning.

"I'm so glad there are so many posts exposing the true nature of the world elite" - NageTard

No more Nookie for you.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
And yet it was the Libertarian/Randite ideology of Ayn Rand that has brought America to it's knees and caused the current near depression.

"Socialist wishes lead to depressions." - DogBerTard

Conservtives like DogberTard are elementally incapable of taking responsibility for their own failed ideology.
Brendan_James
1 / 5 (3) Mar 18, 2012
after reading the rhetoric on the comment section... "i dont want to live on this planet anymore."

its insane when human paranoia has grown so great that we are willing to sacrifice our own offspring.

they say atheists eat babies... shit conservitards rape their own children with their world beliefs.
ForFreeMinds
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 18, 2012
This is an example of those who want the power (and wealth that comes with it) to control others, and become the high priests of government force against those who don't want to be controlled by others. We need less use of force in the world, and more freedom.
Shootist
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 18, 2012
AGW as cargo cult science.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/
Larkus
3 / 5 (4) Mar 18, 2012
is it me? or is physorg's comment boards now inundated with kooks and government paid posters?


It's both true and sad. The article could be about breakfast cereal and the discussion space would overflow with delusional rants about how the "NWO" was suppressing "cold fusion" by promoting the cereal. Apparently this site is no longer moderated, which makes it a playground for the cuckoo birds.


I don't think this site is "inundated" with corporate shills and kooks, to me it seems there are only a handful of them with a lot of sock-puppets.

With the right software a few can appear as a crowd:
http://www.dailyk...n-Us-All
Ironhorse
not rated yet Mar 18, 2012
is it me? or is physorg's comment boards now inundated with kooks and government paid posters?


Pretty much. Just about every article that in anyway touches on economics or politics brings out the facists and communists. And god help you if you're in the middle, because you'll be branded both by the extremists ;P
Ironhorse
not rated yet Mar 18, 2012
Huh? Why all the complexity? Simple, promote condoms and educate women, and eliminate socialist things like giving tax breaks and giving incentives to people that decide to have children. I didn't say punish them.. just don't promote it.


It won't work, the breeders run the show. (But they'll be more than willing to let you limit yourself; extra rug rats for them) ;P
fully attached
1 / 5 (1) Mar 18, 2012
its very simple. you have to want it before you get it. most everyone wants to make the future of human existence doubtful. their addiction to cocaine and heroin, woops i mean religion and money, has created nearly all of our problems. killing themselves, and more importantly the future, to stay high.
most are in denial, which is the way of addicts, no matter how you explain it to them. as of now there are not too many that are willing to take the measures to be clean. i would say get rid of the dealers and make these damaging substances disappear is the best way to remedy the situation but the problem is is that i am proposing this to a planet of addicts.
fully attached
1 / 5 (2) Mar 18, 2012
"It takes wealth to care for (and to be free to care about) the environment, especially long term."

perfect example of the mentality that brings about exploitation of humans and environment.
many are so detached that they see money as a resource and not the anti-resource that it is. a whole friggin industry is based on this anti-resource where the beneficiaries attain resource rights though they themselves produce nothing but jargon and strife. people are willing to trade their resources, including life energies, for this inked paper... funny how they ignore the fact that a certain few control the value of this inked paper.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 18, 2012
a certain few control the value of this inked paper.

The 'few' are the govt.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
I know of no government owned newspapers in America RyggTard.

"The 'few' are the govt." - RyggTard

Would you care to provide us with some titles?

On the other hand we have the biggest newspaper company in the world, NewsCorp, caught paying off police officials to gain access to privledged information, breaking into private email accounts to get "dirt" on celeberity family members, illegally accessing telephone message services to monitor children who have been involved in accidents, etc. etc. etc.

And we have the former president of Hollinger International in prison for corruption.

We have the Wall Street Journal caught paying Conservative European propaganda groups to take it's newspapers and then claiming those deliveries as "circulation" numbers.

And of course we have Faux news caught lying over, and over and over again.

The Conservative hasn't lived who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.

http://www.youtub...RV-UTs9o
fully attached
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 18, 2012
Stalin showed Koch how to create wealth, Soviet style.


Murder was not Fred Koch's style.


however, manslaughter is. oh yeah, add child abuse.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
"shit conservitards rape their own children with their world beliefs." - Brendan

I have been at this a long time and I have been told point blank by hundreds of Conservatives that they owe nothing to future generations, or even that impoverishing them is the proper thing to do.

Survival of the fittest you see.

"Screw em. They don't exist."
"I don't care, what have they ever done for me?"
"I owe them nothing. They are nothing more than parasites."

Are some common Conservative responses I've seen when it comes to their obligation to their own children and grand children.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
What happened to winter?

Why are there flowers blooming in the middle of the country in mid February when they should be covered in a foot or more of snow?

Why did winter appear to be 4 months of mild fall?

Unprecedented warmth.

"AGW as cargo cult science." - ShootisTard
Callippo
2 / 5 (4) Mar 18, 2012
The Conservative hasn't lived who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.
I'm not big friend of conservatism http://aetherwave...sm.html. But this is simply demagogic, i.e. conservative rhetorics. Now you're manufacturing a public enemy in the same way, like conservatives did, when they decided to attack some country. The target is different, but your methods remain the very same. After all many antiliberal opinions of yours overlap with opinions of rock-steady conservatives. This is just a feature of our universe: every extreme stance becomes a victim of its own extremism.
fully attached
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 18, 2012
a certain few control the value of this inked paper.

The 'few' are the govt.


never mind who the few are, the point is is that not many consider this aspect of their "resource". when people are willing to make the adjustment then it will be worth pointing who perpetuates the money ideals.
home depot prebuys billions of board ft of lumber, though no one needs it all, so the loggers cut. oceans are harvested to the point of species collapse, to be frozen on the potential of exchanging for money, and none of it goes to the starving. contamination of fertile zones to save or produce money. an extensive list of problems due to money. knowledge, information, truth all cost money... price people out of those and you have generations of human livestock. in fact, most problems are symptoms of money. people say most everything that will benefit human existence is too expensive to do. cant say that if there is no money.
Callippo
1 / 5 (2) Mar 18, 2012
For example, in our country the health care reform was started. Because we are postcommunist country, this reform got the opposite direction, in comparison to the Obama's health care reform. What our government did for example, it introduced the additional charges for every visit of physician or hospital. This is undeniably right-wing decision: why to pay for health care in mandatory way, if only those, who are using the health care should pay for the doctors?

But what our government "forget" to do was to decrease the original mandatory fees accordingly. What's worse, it did these new charges mandatory as well, and it kept the whole money flow obtained in the hands of governmental health care insurance company. Of course, the reform made in this way missed its own main target: i.e. to privatize health care - it just strengthened the role of government and the level of redistribution at the governmental level. Such "right-wing" politics is only evasion for another increasing of taxes.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 18, 2012
never mind who the few are,

Why not?
It is the govt that has the guns.
home depot prebuys billions of board ft of lumber, though no one needs it all,

Why would they do that if they would not earn a profit? They can only earn a profit if they sell it. Who would give up their money to buy something they didn't need, except a govt?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
Indeed they do. And that tells you that I am not an extremist.

I am a honest realist that has zero tolerance for lying, treason and deceit. Three Libertarian/Randit properties that have grown ubiquitous in the Republican Party.

"After all many antiliberal opinions of yours overlap with opinions of rock-steady conservatives." - Callippo
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (3) Mar 18, 2012
VendiTard says:
Good reading RichieTard.

Here is another fine link....

From Anti-Slavery to the Anti-Monopoly Strategy

http://www.cpusa....trategy/


Ah yes. . .that was the first page that I read even before I read the Gus Hall fantasy.
In truth, Henry Winston was a racist against American Blacks, forever reminding them of their heritage of the past slavery of their ancestors, and encouraging Blacks to dwell on that past, rather than pursue higher education to improve their knowledge and their lives.
Henry Winston was a drag on Black society; a very negatively-minded Communist who couldn't find anything good about the era he lived in. Communists and Socialists are proven to be negative in their outlook on everything, and their only happiness is ranting against the "BOSSES", as they refer to employers. I doubt that Henry Winston ever worked a day in his wasted life. He and Pete Seeger are 2 examples of a waste of sperm.
cont'd
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (3) Mar 18, 2012
Winston would have made a good AGWite. . .ranting about people causing CO2 but never offering any good solutions except to be militant and antiCapitalist. Fortunately, he died before discovering AGW to add to his invective against White America. I have felt that he regarded Liberal Whites as useful idiots, which they are.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
While Millions of Americans are currently out shopping for things they don't need, and will be in the garbage next week, Libertarian Tard Boy asks....

"Who would give up their money to buy something they didn't need" - RyggTard

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
It occurs to me that the problem of the emission of excess CO2 is the reduction of CO2 emissions.

Tard Boy finds this to be unacceptable, incomprehensible rocket science.

"Winston would have made a good AGWite. . .ranting about people causing CO2 but never offering any good solutions" - RichieTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
In that regard he sounds like every Libertarian/Randite that I have ever encountered.

I doubt however if he was a congenital liar as have been every Libertaian/Randite I have ever encountered.

"Henry Winston was a drag on Black society; a very negatively-minded Communist who couldn't find anything good about the era he lived in." - RichieTard

"I doubt that Henry Winston ever worked a day in his wasted life. " - RichieTard

Winston served in the Army, participating in the liberation of France from Nazi occupation.

Reagan redefined what constitute "employment" back 1981 so that military personal were added to the ranks of the employed.

Of course, Reagan did this to dishonestly "reduce" America's unemployment rate.

But that is another matter.
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
VendiTard says:
And yet it was the Libertarian/Randite ideology of Ayn Rand that has brought America to it's knees and caused the current near depression.

"Socialist wishes lead to depressions." - DogBerTard

Conservtives like DogberTard are elementally incapable of taking responsibility for their own failed ideology.


Being a proud Conservative myself, I take exception to any Conservative being accused of irresponsibility. VendiTard is confusing American Conservatives with the Occupy mobsters who are clearly irresponsible, as are their supporters. Additionally, VendiTard chooses to categorize everyone into his neat little "who's who" list of political partisanship running out of his own imagination. It serves his purpose to strip those with whom he disagrees and, quite remarkably, categorizes them a cloak, according to his fertile imaginings.
He imagines the famous Capitalist, formerly of Russia, Ayn Rand (nee Rosenbaum) to be one of the legions of welfare queens. (cont'd)
fully attached
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 18, 2012
"shit conservitards rape their own children with their world beliefs." - Brendan

I have been at this a long time and I have been told point blank by hundreds of Conservatives that they owe nothing to future generations, or even that impoverishing them is the proper thing to do.

Survival of the fittest you see.

"Screw em. They don't exist."
"I don't care, what have they ever done for me?"
"I owe them nothing. They are nothing more than parasites."

Are some common Conservative responses I've seen when it comes to their obligation to their own children and grand children.


the conservitards i know are also religitards. something about doing or not doing certain things to have an immortal afterlife.
to me its just plain sacrificing the future to perpetuate useless ideals of the past.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
The liberal dolts feign concern over unborn future generations while promoting abortion of current generations.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
Reality is a bitch.

"Being a proud Conservative myself, I take exception to any Conservative being accused of irresponsibility." - RichieTard

"He imagines the famous Capitalist, formerly of Russia, Ayn Rand (nee Rosenbaum) to be one of the legions of welfare queens. " - RyggTard

"... it was revealed in the recent "Oral History of Ayn Rand" by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well. An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor)."

http://www.huffin...184.html
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Actually, Ayn Rand would have been all for CO2 and methane reduction in the atmosphere. She understood that to operate a successful business, employers have to realize that certain areas must be addressed in order to continue that success. But she was also knowledgeable about the Earth's processes and that it is impossible to stop the unstoppable. She was certainly ahead of her time.
Although Ayn Rand was self-employed and had a paid retinue of hired help and close friends, she always paid her income taxes and paid into Social Security. Thus, when she became elderly, infirmed and indigent, her needs had to be met by that for which she had paid into for many years.
It was more like a savings account rather than welfare since she had paid her dues. For you to label her as a welfare queen is ridiculous.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
Were those who promoted the Conservative ideals that produced the original dark era concerned about future generations?

What you are seeing in America is the same Conservative ideology trying to produce dark era II.

"to me its just plain sacrificing the future to perpetuate useless ideals of the past." - fully
Noumenon
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 18, 2012
it was revealed in the recent "Oral History of Ayn Rand" by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well. - TardGirl


Likewise, Algore lives in a mansion which uses the energy some 20 times that of an average household. Does this fact mean that Algore is wrong about AGW? Such is your emotional logic abilities concerning Ayn Rand.

[Not that I would believe anything from the obviously far leftist and bias Huffington post]
RitchieGuy
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 18, 2012
VendiTard says:
It occurs to me that the problem of the emission of excess CO2 is the reduction of CO2 emissions.

Tard Boy finds this to be unacceptable, incomprehensible rocket science.

"Winston would have made a good AGWite. . .ranting about people causing CO2 but never offering any good solutions" - RichieTard

Nobody has ever said anything AGAINST the reduction of CO2 emissions. That is only in YOUR imagination, VendiTard.
There have been a number of solutions offered by many people, including myself, which have only been met with your derision and insults, and yet, you don't offer any solutions. Where are YOUR solutions? OK. . .you don't want the pipeline; you don't want nuclear; you don't want coal mining, fracking, and drilling. So where are we going to get the energy, Tardo? Have any good ideas other than solar companies and wind companies whose products are defective?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
I don't know of any Liberals who promote abortion, but I do know that virtually all Liberals are smart enough to realize that it is often a medically necessary procedure.

"The liberal dolts feign concern over unborn future generations while promoting abortion of current generations." - NumenTard

NumenTard isn't nearly smart enough.

He should first consult a psychologist about his mental problems and then his GP to have the need explained to him.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Scientists call for fundamental governance


Fundamental governance has nothing to do with science, so kindly stick to your wild and hysterical climate change predictions.

The attempted hi-jacking of climate change by the political far leftist One World Government socialists will fail. The USA and other free western nations will NEVER hand over control of their energy use to the absurdly moronic UN.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
I don't know of any Liberals who promote abortion, but I do know that virtually all Liberals are smart enough to realize that it is often a medically necessary procedure.

"The liberal dolts feign concern over unborn future generations while promoting abortion of current generations." - NumenTard

NumenTard isn't nearly smart enough.

He should first consult a psychologist about his mental problems and then his GP to have the need explained to him.


Absolute lie. Liberals promote abortion for no other reason than convenience of women's rights. This is a fact your ignorance and dishonesty will prevent you from admitting.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
That "mansion" serves as a media production facility and head of operations for his various companies.

The employees contained within those buildings must be kept warm, lighted and fed.

"Likewise, Algore lives in a mansion which uses the energy some 20 times that of an average household." - NumenTard

Poor NumenTard. He has always been 10 brain cells short of a dozen.
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Like I said, Henry Winston could not envision anything positive of his era. It was not that he went blind while in prison. He had been blind all of his adult life since joining the Communist Party and even that was his own doing.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
That "mansion" serves as a media production facility and head of operations for his various companies.

The employees contained within those buildings must be kept warm, lighted and fed.

"Likewise, Algore lives in a mansion which uses the energy some 20 times that of an average household." - NumenTard

Poor NumenTard. He has always been 10 brain cells short of a dozen.


It's his personal residence you dishonest dolt. Spin it anyway you want, I just demonstrated your poor logic wrt Ayn Rand.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
Apparently Numentard is opposed to women's rights as well.

How typically Conservative of him.

"Liberals promote abortion for no other reason than convenience of women's rights." - NumenTard

Yup. 10 brain cells short of a dozen.

Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Apparently Numentard is opposed to women's rights as well.

How typically Conservative of him.

"Liberals promote abortion for no other reason than convenience of women's rights." - NumenTard

Yup. 10 brain cells short of a dozen.



Obviously I'm not against women rights, if I wish to protect a female human's right to develop into a human, in the first place.

I'm against abortion for convenience, which IS a liberal tenant.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
It is. Just like the White House is Obama's personal residence.

"It's his personal residence you dishonest dolt." - NumenTard

Yup. NumenTard. 10 brain cells short of a dozen.

What happened to winter NumenTard?

We went from early fall to late spring. Here it is late winter and we have summer temps all across America.

Unprecedented warming.
Exactly as the Climate Models have predicted.
RitchieGuy
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2012
Abortions and partial-birth abortions are VERY MUCH championed by Liberals and Feminists. It was also championed by Margaret Sanger, the matronly eugenicist who wished to promote abortion to ghetto women. . .as though you didn't know this. Your boy Obamalama also champions abortion and wanted the religions to pay for such, going against their church dogma and doctrine. Abortion is a part of the AGWite philosophy. . .to kill future generations NOW to save the living.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
It is. Just like the White House is Obama's personal residence.

"It's his personal residence you dishonest dolt." - NumenTard

Yup. NumenTard. 10 brain cells short of a dozen.

What happened to winter NumenTard?

We went from early fall to late spring. Here it is late winter and we have summer temps all across America.

Unprecedented warming.
Exactly as the Climate Models have predicted.


Yet if the winter was extra cold, the AGW speculators would say you can't make such judgements based on one winter, as it requires data over extended periods of time. We've been through this, it's getting boring now.

In any case, who says climate change is a bad thing, only those wanting to use it as a political foot in the door to promote far leftist gov social engineering. This will fail. Even Obama knows we must drill and will not hand over USA energy use control to the UN. Fact. If he won't, no president or congress ever will, "in time".
RitchieGuy
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2012
VendiTard. . .what happened. . .you jumped from AlGore's mansion to late winter? Were you trying to skirt the issue? Ha. . .you AGWites are all the same. Avoid the issues that you bring up.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
NumenTard wants to protect the right of a human to develop into a human.

Astonishing Stupidity.

But then perhaps he intended to say that he wants to protect the right of a non-human to develop into a human.

But then we need to ask what makes some non-humans have more rights than others, and why these non-humans have more rights than those of the mother.

"Obviously I'm not against women rights, if I wish to protect a female human from having the right to develop into a human in the first place." - NumenTard

Perhaps NumenTard is just trying to increase his family size by getting his sister pregnant, or his daughter.

Are cases of rape and incest grounds for abortion. NumenTard says no to such inconvenient truths.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
Just like early spring jumping to late fall.

What happened to winter?

"what happened. . .you jumped from AlGore's mansion to late winter? " - RichieTard

Unprecidented warming.

No one has ever seen anything like it.

But it is just as the climate models indicated.
RitchieGuy
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 18, 2012
VendiTard says:
Were those who promoted the Conservative ideals that produced the original dark era concerned about future generations?

What you are seeing in America is the same Conservative ideology trying to produce dark era II.

"to me its just plain sacrificing the future to perpetuate useless ideals of the past." - fully


What "dark era"? American Conservatism has never promoted any dark era. . .your mind is wandering for some strange reason. If there has ever been a dark era in the U.S., Conservatism had nothing to do with its creation. The depression was presided over by an inept Liberal/Socialist in the White House. Maybe you're referring to that.
Noumenon
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Is a fetus more like an kidney, or is it more like a human? Of course a fetus IS a human and not some other biological entity. Once one can recognize it as a human as opposed to a kidney, then it is a human as it contains a kidney and a brain and a heart and everything else necessary for the definition of a human.

Liberals go to extreme logical contortions and self inflicted stupidity to maintain their positions.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (40) Mar 18, 2012
If NumenTard had wheels he would be a buggy.

"Yet if the winter was extra cold" - NumenTard

As it is his brain is quite a bit buggy.

So tell us NumenTard. Why should a 8 year old girl be forced to carry an unwanted child to term - risking her own life - because she got pregnant while being legally pimped by one of your Libertarian Brothers in FreedomLand?

Under Libertarian doctrine prostitution is legal sacred commerce and children have the same rights as adults to engage in commerce.

Curious minds want to know.
Noumenon
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
So tell us NumenTard. Why should a 8 year old girl be forced to carry an unwanted child to term - risking her own life - because she got pregnant while being legally pimped


Your dishonestly is remarkable. You design a nearly impossible case which represents, what?, 0.001% of abortion cases.

99% of abortion cases have zero to do with such circumstance. As was pointed out to you above repeatedly, liberals want abortion for convenience only.

You're a typical lying fuk-tard liberal. In discussing anything it is a waste of time to talk about 0.001% probability cases and ignore the other 99% cases, as if the 0.001% is a legitimate foot-in-the-door for the 99% cases. Typical liberal dishonest strategy.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
So of course your statement that a human fetus has the right to develop into a human is a tautology since in your view a human fetus is already a human.

So since it is already human it can have no rights to develop into a human since it needs no such development to be human.

"Of course a fetus IS a human and not some other biological entity." - NumenTard

Yup. NumenTard... 10 brain cells short of a dozen.

"it is a human as it contains a kidney and a brain and a heart and everything necessary for the definition of a human." - NumenTard

Worms have brains, kidneys hearts too. So by your logic they must be human as well.

You need to get out of your parents basement NumenTard and stop abusing yourself to all of that Asian Porn.

Think of the millions of innocent Haploid Brothers and Sisters of yours that you have been murdering.

The Horror... The Horror...
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (4) Mar 18, 2012
Global warming, if true. . .is not the exclusive domain of humans, cows and VendiTard's gas emissions. There is STILL the problem of CO2 coming from hydrothermal vents ahead of magma welling up from undersea volcanism. . .which is also responsible for ocean acidification in large part.
THOSE natural sources of CO2 must surely be addressed by AGWites if they ever hope to control their climate change fantasy.
So what do you do about it? You prefer to stifle human warmth and comfort to stanch the flow of CO2 from their usage of fossil fuel. But you cannot stop Nature and, if the whole Earth were to start coming apart. . .you can't stop that either.
The main problem is that your concern over CO2 is also tied in with MONEY. . .and it is that money connection that makes your whole argument suspect that CO2 emissions by people is, in reality, a means of EXTORTION. . .and that's where you lose people who might ordinarily think about AGW as being real.
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not rated yet Mar 18, 2012
It is the govt that has the guns.
home depot prebuys billions of board ft of lumber, though no one needs it all,

Why would they do that if they would not earn a profit? They can only earn a profit if they sell it. Who would give up their money to buy something they didn't need, except a govt?

it isnt the "government" as you might think and even if "they" have guns the soldiers(human livestock) using those guns are common people generally and if the general population learns the truth i want to see how many soldiers will continue serving a lie.
the central banks have most control and the one for US is not part of the govt. but knowing who is useless until the people embrace the truth and want to better the future.
the deal with home depot is a simple business tactic. what happens with home depot buying all that at a low price is that they will undercut most competition and possibly run some of them out of business.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (39) Mar 18, 2012
"You design a nearly impossible case which represents, what?, 0.001% of abortion cases." - NumenTard

Yes well statism has kept child prostitution illegal. But it is perfectly legal under Libertarian ideology. As long as the child is willing, there is no molestation.

In the Wild Wild west of Libertairan Land, Statutory Rape will be a thing of the past as the Statutes are a form of age discrimination and a violation of personal rights.

At least according to the Libertarian party platform.
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Venditard. . .in case you are unaware. . .life begins at the moment of conception because the blastoma (sp?) has been made viable with the joining of the egg and sperm. Prior to that joining, neither the egg nor the sperm can be classified as a living organism in spite of being a cell.
Why, even YOU were once a blastoma and look at you now.
OOOPS. . .scratch that. . .you are a living breathing poster boy for abortion.
But really, all 7 billion of us would not be here if our mothers had us removed prior to birth or even after birth, as Liberals like to murder live birth and viable newborns.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
So of course your statement that a human fetus has the right to develop into a human is a tautology since in your view a human fetus is already a human.

So since it is already human it can have no rights to develop into a human since it needs no such development to be human.

"Of course a fetus IS a human and not some other biological entity." - NumenTard

Yup. NumenTard... 10 brain cells short of a dozen.

"it is a human as it contains a kidney and a brain and a heart and everything necessary for the definition of a human." - NumenTard

Worms have brains, kidneys hearts too. So by your logic they must be human as well.

You need to get out of your parents basement NumenTard and stop abusing yourself to all of that Asian Porn.

Think of the millions of innocent Haploid Brothers and Sisters of yours that you have been murdering.

The Horror... The Horror...


YOU stated they're "non-humans", if so, what are they, worms? Whenever a lefty loses a debate they hide in absurdity.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Yes well statism has kept child prostitution illegal. But it is perfectly legal under Libertarian ideology. As long as the child is willing, there is no molestation.


More patently false non-sense. You're unprepared to discuss reality, so you make it up as you go along.
RitchieGuy
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2012
Venditard says:


So tell us NumenTard. Why should a 8 year old girl be forced to carry an unwanted child to term - risking her own life - because she got pregnant while being legally pimped by one of your Libertarian Brothers in FreedomLand?

Under Libertarian doctrine prostitution is legal sacred commerce and children have the same rights as adults to engage in commerce.

Curious minds want to know.


Wait a minute. . .just HOW do you KNOW that these people are Libertarians, Venditardo? Have you gone up to each one with a crayon and clipboard to ask everyone of them what their party affiliation is? The same with Conservatives and Republicans. . .where DO you get your prior knowledge about their affiliations? I think that you are practicing your guesswork brain cells to hypothesize on everyone's beliefs to make yourself feel smart. Perhaps you can get a job with Rasmussen or Pew. . .they could use a guy like you. . . .hmmm on second thought, you would falsify the results
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
I've never encountered a Liberal AGWite who wasn't retarded in so many ways.

But that's beside the point. China has been force aborting babies and blastomas to decrease their population. And yet, their air is STILL filthy. . .which means that population growth has little to do with it, but conservation practices do. About the only real problem with population growth is diminishing of the water supply, especially in seasons with a lack of rain and snow.
How do you intend to make it rain, VendiTardo?
RitchieGuy
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Nou. . .did you run him off? Oh ok. . .perhaps it's VendiTard's dinner time.
OR he's in another thread now. . .LOL
AGWite are sure strange people and they come up with the darndest things to further their lies.
Instead of just saying. . .Hey, let's all conserve our resources and recycle recyclables and don't pollute, they have that money plan to punish rich nations first.
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not rated yet Mar 18, 2012
The liberal dolts feign concern over unborn future generations while promoting abortion of current generations.


sounds like a religious tactic to demonize the liberals as none have ever promoted it. i can clearly see that "liberals" want it as a freedom of choice for health or resource concerns. freedom absolute unlike how some people define it in a way that appeals to them. liberals may feign concern for unborn generations but i see the religious conservatives willfully stealing from the future generations.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (39) Mar 18, 2012
I have read their Libertarian party platform. That is how.

"Wait a minute. . .just HOW do you KNOW that these people are Libertarians, Venditardo?" - NumenTard

You do have a point though. Those Libertarians might have written a party platform that makes them look like they are more cretinous than they actually are.

But why would someone lie for such a purpose?

Even a perpetually lying Libertarian.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 18, 2012
"More patently false non-sense." - NumenTard

Do you have any evidence that the modern state hasn't kept child prostitution illegal?
Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
The liberal dolts feign concern over unborn future generations while promoting abortion of current generations.


sounds like a religious tactic to demonize the liberals as none have ever promoted it. i can clearly see that "liberals" want it as a freedom of choice for health or resource concerns. freedom absolute unlike how some people define it in a way that appeals to them. liberals may feign concern for unborn generations but i see the religious conservatives willfully stealing from the future generations.


I'm agnostic, so that can't be it. You're simply factually incorrect,... far left liberals promote abortion for convenience & women's rights without conditions. The same far left group that say redistribution of wealth and world governance of energy use is required to protect future generations. Hypocrites.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (37) Mar 18, 2012
We see a lot of chatter to that effect coming from ChrisTards, but no substantiating evidence.

"China has been force aborting babies and blastomas to decrease their population." - RichieTard

Odd... Isn't it?

Christian Republicans would never lie would they?

Lying for God
http://www.jesusn...ying.htm

The Second Oldest Profession Lying for Christ
http://www.politi...-christ/

Michele Bachmann: lying to Christians--again.
http://www.dailyk...s-again-

Noumenon
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 18, 2012
"More patently false non-sense." - NumenTard

Do you have any evidence that the modern state hasn't kept child prostitution illegal?


Do you have any evidence that libertarians would not do likewise?
Noumenon
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2012
Libertarians are socially liberal while economically conservative but still believe in personal protection as a role of gov (as defined in the USA/Canada), so you VD as a left wing dipstick , would likely agree with libertarians on many such liberal social positions as legalizing prostitution and drugs..
RitchieGuy
2.2 / 5 (10) Mar 18, 2012
We see a lot of chatter to that effect coming from ChrisTards, but no substantiating evidence.

"China has been force aborting babies and blastomas to decrease their population." - RichieTard

Odd... Isn't it?

Christian Republicans would never lie would they?

Lying for God
http://www.jesusn...ying.htm


Actually no. . .nothing odd about the Communist Chinese forcing abortions on Chinese women when the Chinese government is so well known for internments of dissidents amongst their own people and the murder of innocents. What else is new? They've got a large land mass that could support billions more except for the filthy air and dirty water. I'm still searching for news that AGWites are in the Chinese government's face about what they had better do about their air quality or else. AGWites are so bold in western countries, but they're too afraid to give their ultimatum to the Chinese. . .too sissified.
thewhitebear
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 19, 2012
man this has really devolved. what a debacle. i think this message board is a wonderful example of why humans will fail at any exercise in global consensus and retreat into our tiny ideological corners of fear and paranoia. the only solution is one where each individual becomes increasingly responsible for home-scale production. we buy less crap from the evil corporations. rely more on local communities. save energy, reduce the income inequality through spending power. every single dollar you spend supports a system. is it a low-energy, sustainable system? or is it a corporate bloated crap system? do the people you support with your greasy american dollars live full healthy lives? or do they live fear and oppression? we are consumers. we are the most powerful force capitalism has ever created. the future is in our hands.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Mar 19, 2012
"Do you have any evidence that libertarians would not do likewise?"- NumenTard

Yes, their own party platform. And their own stated ideology.
Noumenon
2.3 / 5 (9) Mar 19, 2012
"Do you have any evidence that libertarians would not do likewise?"- NumenTard

Yes, their own party platform. And their own stated ideology.


So, you're saying that (USA/Canada) libertarians have as one of their platforms, the support and/or legalization of child prostitution?

Really, are you that brain-washed by the Huffington post and Media Matters that they are now causing damage to your mind, with their cartoonish caricatures of libertarians?

If that were true one would think that the MSN would be all over that against Ron Paul. Of course it's non-sense fodder spoon fed to "radical" wanna-be's by the Huffington post.
bluehigh
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 19, 2012
Where is this Huffington post? I don't see any posts by Huffington in this thread.

Noumenon
2 / 5 (8) Mar 19, 2012
@VD, Scott_Nudds,

If you just made the point that some Libertarian policies may indirectly result in an increase of child prostitution, then you would have made a legitamate point. But no, you have to be way over-the-top, and say that libartarians are FOR child prostitution. How can one take you seriously. Some liberal policies in legalizing drugs will also result indirectly in child drug users and birth defects. Does this mean liberals are actively for children using drugs and birth defects? I know the mush-headed left have problems with logic, but at least try.

Where is this Huffington post? I don't see any posts by Huffington in this thread.



VD made reference (via links) to the Huffington post, which would obviously imply that, that site is a source of knowledge for him. It's a cartoon show more than anything else.
ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (8) Mar 19, 2012
"What science, libertarianism have in common"
"Let the data speak for itself. Massaging data to make them fit the story we would like to tell is not honest, nor is it good science."
Alex Berezow is the editor of RealClearScience. He holds a Ph.D. in microbiology.
http://www.usatod...617108/1
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 19, 2012
Yes, they do. It follows directly from the rights and policies stated in the document. Specifically the clause that states that children have at any time the right to define themselves as adults.

And since under Libertarian Ideology adult prostitution is sacred, protected commerce, then too Child Prostitution is also sacred, protected commerce.

"So, you're saying that (USA/Canada) libertarians have as one of their platforms, the support and/or legalization of child prostitution?" - NumenTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 19, 2012
That is because NumenTard and RyggTard just fabricate whatever factoids they need to make their argument.

It's all lies of course. But that doesn't matter to a Libertarian.

"Where is this Huffington post? I don't see any posts by Huffington in this thread." - BlueHigh
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Mar 19, 2012
"What science, libertarianism have in common" - RyggTard

Absolutely nothing.

Having said that, I must say that I like Ron Paul. He is like the Old Crazy Uncle that you invite to weenie roasts and have a beer with and politely try to educate away from being the Kook he is.

For example, Ron Paul's pledge to cut 1 trillion in government spending in his first year is of course a promise to increase the U.S. unemployment rate to 30% in his first year.

Poor Oll KookTard Paul.

Buy the poor man a beer if you can. He means well.

He ain't evil... He's just...... Stupid.
Noumenon
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 19, 2012
Yes, they do. It follows directly from the rights and policies stated in the document. Specifically the clause that states that children have at any time the right to define themselves as adults.

And since under Libertarian Ideology adult prostitution is sacred, protected commerce, then too Child Prostitution is also sacred, protected commerce.


I'm not a libartarian, so I don't know what document you're speaking of. Can you provide a link. I'm sure it does NOT say that child prostitution is acceptable to them,... but is rather your idiotic (or Huffington posts) interpretation. What circumstance can a child say they are an adult? That don't even make sense, so again is likely a poor interpretation on your part.
ryggesogn2
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 19, 2012
Sex with children is a prominent cause among 'liberals'.
Look up NAMBLA and their defenders.
In 'liberal' California, children may request free condoms by mail from the state.
Noumenon
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 19, 2012
Yes, they do. It follows directly from the rights and policies stated in the document. Specifically the clause that states that children have at any time the right to define themselves as adults. - Huffington Post reader


If you're speaking about libertarian philosophy, you must realize the purpose in such discussions wrt the universality of liberty as applied regardless of age, gender, race, etc,... is to test the core ideas by bringing them to their logical conclusions.

It's purely philosophical, and does not logically follow that in practice a libertarian is ok with a four year old driving a semi-truck, or an eleven year old engaging in prostitution. Such non-sense is interpretations by bias drive-by political hacks.

I'm still waiting for your link showing that libertarians would make it legal for a child to work as a prostitute.