'20 tonnes of herring' washed up on Norwegian coast

Jan 03, 2012
A dog walk around on tons of dead herring on a beach in at Kvaenes in Nordreisa, northern Norway, on January 2. Thousands of herring floated ashore on Norway's western coast, leaving experts perplexed about the phenomenon, according to the Norwegian Institute of Marine Research.

Thousands of herring have floated ashore on Norway's western coast, leaving experts perplexed about the phenomenon, according to the Norwegian Institute of Marine Research.

Local media reported that some 20 tonnes of were found at the end of December on a beach in northern Norway.

"We have seen stranded before but never this much," Ole Kristian Berg at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim told AFP.

Berg said the herring may have been chased up on land by other fish or other ocean mammals.

They may also have fallen victim to the tides or high levels of freshwater in the area, where a river flows into the ocean, he said.

According to the Nordreisa municipality, many of the fish have now been swept out to sea by the tides.

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Cave_Man
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 03, 2012
Why is it that whenever a huge die-off occurs it's always a huge mystery, like we are simple children guessing about whats going on?
I mean come on we have the technology to find out exactly whats going on, do some toxicity tests, some biopsies, and autopsies.

I know that it may not be human caused and these things may happen from time to time but I really doubt that every huge die off has a natural explanation and the reality is that the authorities don't want to discover the cause because it might be bad news.

I would bet everything I have and know that humans killed those fish, directly or indirectly. It could be a poisoning, it could be environmental loss, or it could be a nutrient which caused a toxic bacteria to flourish. Plenty of causes and I doubt there are many that are 100% natural with no human link.

Hell we have decimated 90% of large fish in the oceans so even if the cause is said to be natural, that nature is not what it was 500 years ago.
Xbw
2.7 / 5 (14) Jan 03, 2012
Simple explanation. The fish thought the world was going to end in 2012 so they all drank the "Koolaid" and well... you know the rest.
Neurons_At_Work
5 / 5 (2) Jan 03, 2012
You could cut down a lot of trees with those.

--The Knights Who Say...Ni! *shhh*
Vendicar_Decarian
4.2 / 5 (6) Jan 03, 2012
Oh my Cod!
fmfbrestel
3.3 / 5 (7) Jan 03, 2012
I know that it may not be human caused and these things may happen from time to time


wait for it...
I would bet everything I have and know that humans killed those fish


There we go. Not the fastest contradiction I have ever seen, but it's in the top 10. :-)

And then:
so even if the cause is said to be natural, that nature is not what it was 500 years ago.


So even if someone proves you wrong, you are still right. Way to go. You logic good.
fmfbrestel
3.2 / 5 (6) Jan 03, 2012
So how would this argument go if we both posted a bunch?

ME: So you asume that this guy ( http://www.bio.nt.../okberg/ ) is incompetent and doesnt know how to do his job, and you know more about experimental biology of fish then he does.

Cave: Yes, but even if they did the tests, they covered up the truth.

Me: Because professional biologists hate the ecosystem?

Cave: Government payed position.

Me: Tenure

Cave: Payed off by big business. But doesn't matter, we have already tossed the ecosystem into disarray so any result is flawed from the start.

Me: ... my head hurts ... So everything humanity has done since the time of industrialization is evil, anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, and you know more about this particular problem then the evil lying scientist who told you about it?

Cave: Yes.
FrankHerbert
1.8 / 5 (11) Jan 03, 2012
LOL, fmfbrestel. I enjoyed your example dialogue there and find it spot on.

However, I must say, a broken clock is still right twice a day.
fmfbrestel
3.5 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2012
Maybe I don't have a problem with the possibility of it being human caused. But i do have a problem with arrogantly talking in circles without any knowledge of the situation what so ever.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (11) Jan 03, 2012
Did they have enough vinegar?
FrankHerbert
2.5 / 5 (13) Jan 03, 2012
The conspiratorial mindset really gets to me sometimes. It's quite rampant here.
Anytime someone sees a study they don't agree with it must be "science-for-cash" or other some such stuff. It just all goes round in circles and they don't seem to get dizzy at all.
It's my personal pet theory that people engage in conspiracy theories because it makes them feel special, right, above average, intuitive, whatever. Basically THEY were able to see THE PATTERN and YOU weren't.
Usually there is a little otherization thrown in there too. "Communists destroying our way of life" sort of thing. Group anyone you don't like into "communists" and A WAY WE GO!
"The Paranoid Style in American Politics" has helped me understand the phenomenon a lot better. There are definitely recurring themes among conspiracists.
Any actual "conspiracies" are what I would call "emergent conspiracies". They are not top down. They are horizontal and not aware of the others. They have different goals that work in tandem.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 03, 2012
"The first sentence that casts the right in a negative light is directed against Wisconsons Tea Party groups.

A conservative insurgency headed by a Republican candidate who actively courts, of all things, the tea party is now making a strong bid for governor. And across the state, Democrats suddenly find themselves fighting to hold seats they once took for granted."
"Instead he tries his best to dismiss Republican gains, tell readers that Republicans are of all things! too radical for Wisconsin and tries to convince us that they really should lose the 2010 election."
http://bigjournal...e-right/
And then we have MSM fanning the flames. Is this top down or emergent?
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 03, 2012
What conspiracy?
"The Venona papers, together with these archives, made it absolutely clear that the American Communist Party was from its beginning the willing agent of Soviet intelligence, obedient to its orders, financed by its contributions, and serving not only as a propaganda organ for Soviet policies but as a generous source for the recruitment of agents who would thereupon influence American policy and gladly commit espionage as well. It is now plain that by 1945 every important branch of the American government, from the White House itself to the State Department, the Defense Department, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department, the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor to the CIA), and the Office of War Information, to name only a few, was infested with Communists busily doing the work of the Soviet Union."
http://www.clarem...tail.asp
Feldagast
3 / 5 (6) Jan 04, 2012
Rygg and this has what to do with dead fish???
Sinister1811
1.7 / 5 (11) Jan 04, 2012
If it is human caused, then there's a serious underlying problem here. Still, you have to wonder whether it was a natural cause, or man-made.
MNIce
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 07, 2012
"He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him." Proverbs 18:13

Let's wait for the forensic analysis before passing judgment. This is only a story in progress; there are more chapters to come.
Cave_Man
1.4 / 5 (5) Jan 08, 2012
My only point was that people will blindly agree when they hear, "Oh it was natural loss of habitat" or "something just got messed up in the fish brains and they though they were in Tahiti" and people will consider that the end of it, thinking to themselves. "Well at least now we know and can rest easy"

In my (often accused of being 'deluded') view of things a single life equals a single life, what are you and what is a fish? Are you better because you are bigger, smarter and cooler looking?

Those fish were people too IMHO.

I wasn't trying to be contradictory in my first post, the first half was my attempt at logical analysis IE i know it may not have been human caused (even if i think its very slim chance of that). But the second half of my comment was personal opinion.

Do you mock a physicist who says he doesn't like pizza and make judgments about his scientific credentials just because you own a pizzeria?
Cave_Man
1.6 / 5 (5) Jan 08, 2012
From the article:
Berg said the herring may have been chased up on land by other fish or other ocean mammals.
They may also have fallen victim to the tides or high levels of freshwater in the area, where a river flows into the ocean, he said.

Seriously? If you are a fish, you have to deal with stuff like this all the time, in fact you would think after billions of years of evolution the fish would be smart enough to avoid these situations but to the quoted scientist these fish are mindless lifeless matter who have the same intelligence as a rock apparently and will "fall victim to the tides" if it suits his theory.

All I want to hit home is that if someone says it's a natural cause do they consider modern civilization and technology as part of this nature they refer to? If so then what could possibly be unnatural?
PhotonX
not rated yet Jan 08, 2012

In my (often accused of being 'deluded') view of things a single life equals a single life, what are you and what is a fish? Are you better because you are bigger, smarter and cooler looking?

Those fish were people too IMHO.


You can't possible state that the life of a human equates 1:1 to the life of a fish and still hope to be taken seriously in any topic. Maybe if we sacrificed a virgin on that beach to prevent the fish tragedy, would that be ok?

And what about the life of that brocolli I so viciously and uncaringly boiled for lunch yesterday? Or the rights of all those microbes I so cavilierly killed with hand soap before dining? Don't they have rights too?

I'm hoping your comments were just tongue in cheek, and I just failed to appreciate the humor.
Moebius
1 / 5 (3) Jan 08, 2012
Those fish don't want to live in our toilet? Outrageous

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