New material for thermonuclear fusion reactors

Jan 09, 2012
Scientists at Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Oxford University and the University of Michigan have joined efforts to develop new materials for thermonuclear fusion reactors. Their research focuses on characterization of oxide dispersion-strengthened, reduced-activation steel for the reactor structure. The image shows disperse Y2O3nanoparticles in ODS/Fe12Cr steel. Credit: UC3M

Scientists at Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Oxford University and the University of Michigan have joined efforts to develop new materials for thermonuclear fusion reactors. Their research focuses on characterization of oxide dispersion-strengthened, reduced-activation steel for the reactor structure.

Thermonuclear fusion promises to be a possible solution to the current . It is produced when two of combine to produce heavier elements, which give off a huge quantity of energy. So that this reaction can occur, it is necessary to supply an enormous amount of energy, so that temperatures of many millions of degrees can be reached, allowing the nuclei to come close enough to overcome their natural and become condensed in a plasma state. "This plasma, which reaches temperatures near that of the stars, around 100 million degrees, does not touch the walls of the reactors because they would melt," explained one of the project researchers, Vanessa de Castro, from the UC3M Physics Department. In order to confine the plasma, it is confined within the reactor by the magnetic fields. "Even so the walls must resist some very as well as the effects of the irradiation from the neutrons from the reaction, for which we have to produce that can withstand these ," the Professor remarked.

The ITER project (under construction) and its successor, DEMO (scheduled for 2035) propose development of fusion reactors that are economically viable. This work depends on, among other things, the development of these new capable of withstanding damage by irradiation and elevated temperatures resulting from the . The scientific community has begun to develop new reduced - activation material for use in these reactors, but it is still not known if some of them will be viable under such hostile conditions. Along these lines, one of the most important candidates is oxide dispersion-strengthened, reduced-activation ferrite steel, called ODS steels.

The mechanic behavior of the ODS steels depends enormously on their microstructure, which until now has not been rigorously controlled. Until recently, studies on the microstructure of these steels have been on the micrometric scale. However, the nanometric scale is more relevant in understanding the phenomena that occur under irradiation. "We are now using our knowledge in nuclear structural materials and in advanced techniques of nanoanalysis to characterize diverse new generation ODS steels on the nanonmetric scale," noted the researchers, who have added nanometric particles to these steels (between 1 and 50 nm), which help to improve the mechanical properties and increase their resistance. The results of the research have been recently published in a special number of the journal Materials Science and Technology dedicated to the atomic scale characterization of steels.

The characterization of these materials is carried out using nanometric scale techniques. For example, with a transmission electron microscope, particles can be seen which are added to the material, even the smallest one of a nanometer (one millionth of millimeter). Because of this the following can be studied: if the distribution of the particles is optimum, its chemical composition, or if by changing it, better material is obtained or if interaction of these particles with the defects produced in the material is improved. "From there we extract the information that allows us to explain why material behaves in one way or another, because the fact that it has bad mechanical properties could be related to the particles not being well-distributed", ESTRUMAT's Professor de Castro, pointed out. The objective of this Advanced Structural Materials consortium, composed of five research groups from four universities and a Madrid Region research institute, is to provide a framework of scientific-technological activity in the area of advanced materials structures for applications in engineering.

This research, funded by the Ministry of Science and Innovation, is focused on the study of oxide nanoparticles which are present in these steels, and the damage caused by radiation of these materials. The analyses carried out up to now show, for example, that the particles have a core-shell type structure consistent in an yttrium(Y) -rich nucleus surrounded by a chrome (Cr)-enriched area.

Explore further: Physicists advance understanding of transition metal oxides used in electronics

More information: Title: Analytical characterisation of oxide dispersion strengthened steels for fusion reactors, de Castro, V. Lozano-Pérez, S. Marquis, E. A Auger, M. A. Leguey, T. Pareja, R. Material Science and Technology. 27: 719-723. ISSN: 0267-0836

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Egleton
1.3 / 5 (23) Jan 09, 2012
Not going to happen. Rossi is already selling Cold Fusion Devices.
http://ecat.com/e...cat-home
Hot Fusion is too big, too late and too expensive.
Xbw
1.4 / 5 (13) Jan 09, 2012
It's true that fusion is a flawed process but it is the natural step toward a more refined energy like perhaps cold fusion or M/AM reactors (a long way off)

Before the car there had to be the wagon, before the wagon their had to be a chariot, etc..
Eric_B
4.8 / 5 (23) Jan 09, 2012
"Rossi is already selling Cold Fusion Devices."

I am selling real estate on the Moon.
rawa1
1.4 / 5 (19) Jan 09, 2012
http://ecat.com/e...cat-home Hot Fusion is too big, too late and too expensive.

In addition, it's not scalable, it generates contamination with neutrons, it doesn't solve energy transfer and storage. But it will provide jobs to many scientists and technicians, which would be useless otherwise. It will help the governments to maintain its power trough centralized sources of energy. And this is what is important here.

This is why the Germans adored the Hitler, who promised them jobs and salary in "restoration" of Germany and its conversion into war machine. Like the people in the Nazi Germany, the technicians involved don't care about consequences of some solution - they can see just the perspective of their own jobs.
MR166
4.4 / 5 (14) Jan 09, 2012
"I am selling real estate on the Moon."

That is not the same thing at all. At least real estate on the moon exists, you just don't have the rights to sell it.
NotAsleep
4.3 / 5 (12) Jan 09, 2012
rawa, are you trying to compare proponents of fusion power to Nazi genocide? Really?
Sonhouse
4.7 / 5 (15) Jan 09, 2012
Not going to happen. Rossi is already selling Cold Fusion Devices.
http://ecat.com/e...cat-home
Hot Fusion is too big, too late and too expensive.


So how much did you pay for your cold fusion package? How many watts do you get out of it? What is the cost, dollars per watt? How long have you run your own cold fusion package?
rawa1
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 09, 2012
So how much did you pay for your cold fusion package?
Look, the thermonuclear fusion is promised fifty years already. With compare to it the cold fusion is pretty real package.
Skepticus
Jan 09, 2012
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Skepticus
1 / 5 (6) Jan 09, 2012
cont.

Don't you see that the Jewish scientists gave the US the power of the atom bombs, and most of the movies' heroes who saved the world are Jews? The Free World owe the Jews big time, man.
Skepticus
1 / 5 (7) Jan 09, 2012
"I am selling..., you just don't have the rights to sell it.

Rawa1, you should know by now Nazis is actually a 4-lettered word, along with s**t, c**t, ***k, di*k, *s*e ho*e, and what else. Even if tomorrow you can present to the world incontrovertible proofs that they already found the answers for cancer, HIV, obesity, aging, and pollution-free, inexhaustible energy production (just jesting!)...Jews World-Wide-(Web) will still skin you alive or chipped you and put you in Gaza for target practice, for promoting solutions that came out of totally, unquestionably, affirmatively, positively, unarguably..inhuman and genocidal-oriented researches. Practicing "Heil the Jews" instead. Don't you see that the Jewish scientists gave the US the power of the atom bombs, and most of the movies' heroes who saved the world are Jews? The Free World owe the Jews big time, man.
rawa1
1 / 5 (8) Jan 09, 2012
Don't you see that the Jewish scientists gave the US the power of the atom bombs
? A weapons...? It's nothing for which I should adore the Jews too much. Many Jews are boycotting cold fusion research instead, particularly because they tend to formal thinking, which doesn't measure with hyperdimensional nature of the cold fusion well.
most of the movies' heroes who saved the world are Jews
It's rather evidence for organized propaganda, don't you think?
Skepticus
1.5 / 5 (6) Jan 09, 2012
It's rather evidence for organized propaganda, don't you think?

(laugh) If it's not organized, it ain't propaganda, man. Talk about propaganda, who do you think, reap the most dollars out of through the roof oil prices out of "kick the hell of nuke-building Iran" saber-rattling propaganda? I don't imagine the cost of each barrel of oil supplied from primary oil well producers (extraction, transportation, distribution costs profit margins) suddenly sky-rocketed, do you? OIL IS MORE COSTLY TO BE PHYSICALLY EXTRACTED out of the ground because war is on the agenda? he he. You see the fun of it? Even if we can't beat the crap out of our enemy (yet, or not), we still benefit by the billions... the stupid tax-payers worldwide will enrich our bank accounts for our saber rattling!
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (12) Jan 09, 2012
It's true that fusion is a flawed process but it is the natural step toward a more refined energy like perhaps cold fusion or M/AM reactors (a long way off)

Before the car there had to be the wagon, before the wagon their had to be a chariot, etc..
So 'xbw' (pirouette/ritchieguy) Please explain how you think hot fusion is a 'natural step' toward cold fusion? (frank - you know nou wouldnt say anything this... uninformed)

Also 'xbw' please explain how a matter/antimatter 'reactor' would ever be used to produce consumer energy?

If you make statements like this you should be expected to back them up.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (6) Jan 09, 2012
Not going to happen. Rossi is already selling Cold Fusion Devices.
http://ecat.com/e...cat-home
Hot Fusion is too big, too late and too expensive.


So how much did you pay for your cold fusion package? How many watts do you get out of it? What is the cost, dollars per watt? How long have you run your own cold fusion package?
This info is already on the website, as much as is available.
Burnerjack
5 / 5 (7) Jan 09, 2012
I still haven't seen one credible headline or article by an independent 3rd party as to the validity of the Rossi Ecat. That does NOT prove or disprove it's operation. As far as "Fusion has been promised for 59 yrs" goes, my response is "Yeah, so?" It's still not here means it's impossible? It means we're being strung along? How 'bout "It's a daunting engineering problem", which requires step by step, prudent and careful testing every step of the way (?)!
Eric, when you get your real estate license, show me something around the Sea of Tranquility, OK? I always wanted some peaceful seaside property for my retirement years.
As far as the conspriracy (Jew, German, German jew or other) goes, show some proof. If you don't, I can only surmise that you are offering a diversion to the truth as instructed by the Sasquatch/UFO overlords (those bastards! Ever since they realized the Earth was messing up the Vensian atmosphere, they've been a thorn in my side...)
Xbw
1.7 / 5 (13) Jan 09, 2012
It's true that fusion is a flawed process but it is the natural step toward a more refined energy like perhaps cold fusion or M/AM reactors (a long way off)

Before the car there had to be the wagon, before the wagon their had to be a chariot, etc..
So 'xbw' (pirouette/ritchieguy) Please explain how you think hot fusion is a 'natural step' toward cold fusion? (frank - you know nou wouldnt say anything this... uninformed)

Also 'xbw' please explain how a matter/antimatter 'reactor' would ever be used to produce consumer energy?

If you make statements like this you should be expected to back them up.

Is every statement you make combative? I am not those other guys you mentioned. Not that it matters. Anyhow. I am saying that less efficient technologies naturally inspire someone to eventually come along with a more efficient one. And also, just because M/AM is just barely beginning to become plausible doesn't mean it won't one day be a standard. Open your limited mind.
Callippo
1 / 5 (6) Jan 09, 2012
OIL IS MORE COSTLY TO BE PHYSICALLY EXTRACTED out of the ground because war is on the agenda
Just implement the cold fusion and we could forget all these oil wars for ever. These oil wars are just hidden price of fossil fuels. We are spending more money in these wars per week, than the whole scientific research (which indeed ignores cold fusion heartily, so it's responsible for it too) per whole year. Here are many additional hidden costs of fossil fuels - just remember the ecological disasters of Exxon Valdez or Deep Horizon oil spills.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Jan 09, 2012
M/AM is just barely beginning to become plausible doesn't mean it won't one day be a standard. Open your limited mind.
And I am assuming you dont know enough about 'AM' to realize how much energy it would take to make it? Batteries are only 'sources' of energy because we are able to charge them with energy sources. Correct?

'AM' would be a way of converting a whole lot of energy into a form useful for very specific and limited applications. You wouldnt suggest that we make and use rocket engines for domestic power would you?

I would open my mind up but I am afraid it would fall out like yours apparently did? Sockpuppet?
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (10) Jan 09, 2012
@Xbw
@Callippo
It appears that there is much negativity and opposition towards cold fusion from people on this website, such as GhostOtto and some others and, indeed, the resistance from Rossi and Focardi in revealing their secrets as to the C.F. process certainly doesn't afford much confidence in a process that requires the manufacturing and marketing of the product first before it is peer reviewed and proven by legitimate research. If within a certain amount of time, let's say 1 year, and there is still no evidence of cold fusion as a legitimate alternative fuel source, then it would be imperative to abandon all hope of a mass production of the e-cat as a beneficial, non-polluting and safe source of power for the future. If Rossi is a scammer, he will be found out and prosecuted as such no matter where he runs. There is no way to know whether or not his invention works until enough time has been given him to prove his claims. I think 1 year is enough time and monitoring it is key.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (6) Jan 09, 2012
It appears that there is much negativity and opposition towards cold fusion from people on this website, such as GhostOtto...If within a certain amount of time, let's say 1 year, and there is still no evidence of cold fusion as a legitimate alternative fuel source, then it would be imperative to abandon all hope of a mass production of the e-cat...If Rossi is a scammer, he will be found out and prosecuted as such no matter where he runs. There is no way to know whether or not his invention works until enough time has been given him to prove his claims. I think 1 year is enough time and monitoring it is key.
So... lets get this straight. The man should be able to sell items he is making with private investment money, to people who will be using them for upwards of a year not realizing that they arent working?

Who would be doing the monitoring - the govermint or the people using them who can tell theyre not working??

Is this what you meant to say??
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (10) Jan 09, 2012
LOL. . . .if that's the way you want to interpret what I said. . .go for it. Have you ever heard of the phrase, "let the buyer beware?"
And how do you know with such confidence that they won't be working?
signoftimes
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2012
Hot fusion exists, obviously. It is just a matter of controlling it. Cold fusion is not proven, but if it did actually exist as it is currently claimed, it would not be an effective energy producer. So you can't compare the two. Apples and Oranges. RitchieGuy, I normally agree with you on most things, but you are falling short on this one.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (10) Jan 10, 2012
@sign. . . .no way was I comparing hot to cold fusion. I was merely expressing my opinion for giving Callippo a way out since he seems to be stuck on the cold fusion theme like a broken record. One year of what you might call a "trial period" and, if it doesn't work out within that year, then he can shelve the whole thing and nobody will have to read about it again in the threads. It doesn't bother ME in general, but I'm certain there are some who would rather that Callippo tout something else. Something more plausible. I'm not concerned about Rossi and Focardi. If their invention is a bust, their investors will run them out of town after they attempt to get their investment money back. But, it won't hurt to give the guys one last chance. I think they're in the Boston area, so if they're scammers, the law will deal with them.
Parsec
not rated yet Jan 10, 2012
"Rossi is already selling Cold Fusion Devices."

I am selling real estate on the Moon.

How much? I will buy a couple hundred acres if you provide the transport.
Parsec
5 / 5 (1) Jan 10, 2012
I still haven't seen one credible headline or article by an independent 3rd party as to the validity of the Rossi Ecat. That does NOT prove or disprove it's operation. As far as "Fusion has been promised for 59 yrs" goes, my response is "Yeah, so?" It's still not here means it's impossible? It means we're being strung along? How 'bout "It's a daunting engineering problem", which requires step by step, prudent and careful testing every step of the way (?)!
Eric, when you get your real estate license, show me something around the Sea of Tranquility, OK? I always wanted some peaceful seaside property for my retirement years.
As far as the conspriracy (Jew, German, German jew or other) goes, show some proof. If you don't, I can only surmise that you are offering a diversion to the truth as instructed by the Sasquatch/UFO overlords (those bastards! Ever since they realized the Earth was messing up the Vensian atmosphere, they've been a thorn in my side...)

ROFLMAO
Parsec
5 / 5 (1) Jan 10, 2012
"Rossi is already selling Cold Fusion Devices."

I am selling real estate on the Moon.

How much? I will buy a couple hundred acres if you provide the transport.

I don't even care if you have the right to sell it. I would be glad to settle it and wait to be evicted, provided I don't have to pay to get there and back.
rawa1
2 / 5 (4) Jan 10, 2012
if it did actually exist as it is currently claimed, it would not be an effective energy producer

LOL, why not? I already produces COP > 3. Did you ever read something about it? Why the internet is full of retired programmers and silly twaddlers, who are lazy to verify every information?
rbrtwjohnson
not rated yet Jan 10, 2012
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another, but later will inevitably be wasted in form of heat. Efficiently recovering waste heat again into electricity can definitively assure a net gain for fusion reactor. www.youtube.com/w...k19hn7Rc
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (4) Jan 10, 2012
One year of what you might call a "trial period" and, if it doesn't work out within that year, then he can shelve the whole thing and nobody will have to read about it again in the threads. It doesn't bother ME in general, but I'm certain there are some who would rather that Callippo tout something else. Something more plausible.
So now it sounds like you want to give callippo a 1 year trial period? Just WTF is it you're trying to say? Callipo gets to talk about cold fusion for a year and if e-cat doesn't work then he will not be allowed to post after a period of 1 year? And everybody who posts here, including callipo, agrees to this??

Say something even more brainless. I dare you.
rawa1
1 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2012
Cold fusion is indeed matter of extensive research from 1989 and about thirty thousands of publications, collected at the http://www.lenr-canr.org site. Even if Rossi will not prove his E-Cat technology with COP > 6, we still have twenty years of Piantelli and Focardi research, which should be attempted to replicate to say at least. These publications report COP > 3, in this sense the A.Rossi technology is just quantitative step forward, but definitely not qualitative one. http://newenergyt...rs.shtml
Until these publications will not be replicated at the peer-reviewed press (no matter, which results with), I'll consider the lack of research as a manifestation of the ignorance of mainstream physics community, not the manifestation of failure of these results as such. I'm still waiting for more experiments in this regard. In physics no experimental result is accepted before independent replication - no matter, whether it's positive or negative.
RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2012
rbrtwjohnson says:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another, but later will inevitably be wasted in form of heat. Efficiently recovering waste heat again into electricity can definitively assure a net gain for fusion reactor. http://www.youtub...k19hn7Rc


@rbrt. . . .nice YouTube video. . . .however, it is about a propulsion system for spacecraft.

""Together with the Aneutronic Reactor and Electrodynamic Thrusters, it is to form the most perfect triad for providing a high degree of cleanliness and efficiency for deep space propulsion, with practically no thermal and radioactive waste.""
http://www.crossf...electric

If it could be modified as an alternative power source to replace fossil fuels, that would be great also.

RitchieGuy
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 10, 2012
rawa1 says:
Cold fusion is indeed matter of extensive research from 1989 and about thirty thousands of publications, collected at the http://www.lenr-canr.org
Until these publications will not be replicated at the peer-reviewed press (no matter, which results with), I'll consider the lack of research as a manifestation of the ignorance of mainstream physics community, not the manifestation of failure of these results as such. I'm still waiting for more experiments in this regard. In physics no experimental result is accepted before independent replication - no matter, whether it's positive or negative.


rawa1. . . .the problem with the research is not whether or not it works, it's the secrecy and jealously guarded processes that these researchers like Rossi seem to be worried will be stolen from them. If they need it, let them get the product patented and then give out the pertinent information as to how it works and why. But at this rate, too many people believe it's a scam.
rubberman
not rated yet Jan 10, 2012
First of all Rossi has had his year as the first "demo" was in January of last year. Secondly I subscribed to the E-cat MONTHLY newsletter in November.....still waiting for the first issue. I actually wrote a letter upon my subscription detailing interest in purchasing one and what it would be used for should it be proven to work....still nothing. Maybe I'm just too impatient.....
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2012
More bullshit and posturing from somebody who just HAS to make crap up and just HAS to post it...
rawa1. . . .the problem with the research is not whether or not it works
Of COURSE thats the problem you dimwit.
it's the secrecy and jealously guarded processes that these researchers like Rossi seem to be worried will be stolen from them.
So thats why another company is gearing up to compete with them using similar tech? Rawa can give you the link. If you stood to make a few billion on an invention would you give it away? Probably.
If they need it, let them get the product patented and then give out the pertinent information as to how it works and why. But at this rate, too many people believe it's a scam.
-And so this is why they have secured enough financial backing and preorders to begin production. Is that right?
signoftimes
Jan 11, 2012
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RitchieGuy
1 / 5 (9) Jan 11, 2012
as I've already said:

rawa1. . . .the problem with the research is not whether or not it works, it's the secrecy and jealously guarded processes that these researchers like Rossi seem to be worried will be stolen from them. If they need it, let them get the product patented and then give out the pertinent information as to how it works and why. But at this rate, too many people believe it's a scam.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (2) Jan 11, 2012
the problem with the research is not whether or not it works, it's the secrecy and jealously guarded processes
So... if they make a box that consistantly produces clean dependable energy it will still be a failure because they developed it in secret?? Does this REALLY make sense to you?
that these researchers like Rossi seem to be worried will be stolen from them. If they need it, let them get the product patented and then give out the pertinent information as to how it works and why.
"Coca-Cola, for example, has no patent for its formula and has been very effective in protecting it for many more years than the twenty years of protection..."

-So you think coke should patent and disclose their formula because -why exactly -?
But at this rate, too many people believe it's a scam.
So fucking what? They are going to be making and selling these units whether you think its a scam or not. You understand any of this? That doesnt matter either does it?
Callippo
1 / 5 (1) Jan 11, 2012
it won't hurt to give the guys one last chance
How long the physicists are spending billions in search for useless Higgs boson or gravity waves? How many times they failed already? IMO we shouldn't apply the double standards here. If there would be at least one milliwatt of excessive anomalous energy, it would be still worth for basic, if not applied research in the same way, like every else anomaly.
Pkunk_
not rated yet Jan 13, 2012
Thermonuclear fusion promises to be a possible solution to the current energy crisis.


'Sup with all the fusion related stories today ? And what happened to the promise of cheap, limitless "renewable" energy through billions of Solar Panels and windmills ?

"Gone with the wind" today for "renewable" energy? There seem to be Zero articles today about some new Solar tech or about wind.

Nice to see we are seeing some real progress on "NUCLEAR" Fusion. Wonder what the greenies will come up with once they realise that even Fusion emits that horrible thing called "radiation".

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