Russian satellite crashes into Siberia after launch

Dec 23, 2011
Map of Russia showing the location of the western Siberian town of Tobolsk over which a Russian satellite fell back to Earth over after its launch on Friday, in the latest setback for Russia's space programme following a string of failures in the last year.

A Russian satellite on Friday crashed into Siberia minutes after its launch due to rocket failure, the defence ministry said, in the latest humiliating setback for Russia's embattled space programme.

The failure of the Soyuz-2.1B rocket -- a member of the same family that Russia uses to send humans to space -- comes after a supply ship bound for the International Space Station (ISS) carried by a Soyuz crashed into Siberia in August.

"The satellite failed to go into its orbit. A state commission will investigate the causes of the accident," the spokesman of Russia's space forces Alexei Zolotukhin told the Interfax news agency.

He said the problem occurred around seven minutes after the launch of the Meridian communications satellite on the Soyuz rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in northern Russia due to a third stage rocket failure.

"What happened today confirms that the (space) sector is in crisis," the head of the Russian space agency Roskosmos, Vladimir Popofkin, told the ITAR-TASS news agency.

Popofkin's predecessor Anatoly Perminov was sacked in April after a series of setbacks, notably a highly embarrassing failure in December 2010 when three navigation satellites for the new Russian Glonass system crashed into the ocean off Hawaii instead of reaching orbit.

The recent problems are particularly painful for Russia as it is marks half a century since Yuri Gagarin made man's first voyage into space.

Russian news agencies, quoting defence sources, said that the satellite had crashed into the central Siberian region of Novosibirsk and its remains had already been found on the ground.

Workers from the Russian emergencies ministry as well as the police were on their way to the scene which had been cordoned off, Interfax said, but there were no reports of casualties or damage to property.

It was the fifth launch of a satellite from the Meridian series which have dual civilian and military use and are aimed at providing communications for ships in the Arctic as well as Russia's remote Siberia and Far East regions.

The Soyuz-2.1B rocket is part of the family of Soyuz rockets that has been the backbone of Moscow's space programme for decades and are used to launch humans for the International Space Station.

The satellite was supposed to have separated from the rocket about nine minutes after its launch, ITAR-TASS reported earlier.

But the carrier rocket experienced undisclosed problems even before the separation attempt, meaning that it never reached the low Earth orbit, an unnamed source told the news agency.

The loss of the Meridian satellite caps a disastrous 12 months for Russia that has already seen it lose three navigation satellites, an advanced military satellite, a telecommunications satellite, a probe for Mars as well as the Progress.

The unmanned Progress supply ship that crashed into Siberia in August was launched by a Soyuz and that failure forced the temporary grounding of the rockets and well as a wholsale re-jig of the station's staffing of the ISS.

Following the retirement of the US shuttle in July, Russia is currently the only nation capable of transporting humans to the space station.

Russia has also acknowledged the almost certain loss of its Phobos-Grunt probe for Mars's largest moon, which was launched on November 9 but has failed to head out of Earth's orbit on its course to the Red Planet.

Interfax said that the financial losses from the loss of the Meridian satellite could amount to two billion rubles (65 million dollars) and it was possible that it had not been insured.

Also Friday, a Russian Soyuz space capsule carrying a multinational crew of three successfully docked with the ISS two days after its launch from the Kazakh steppe, mission control said.

The addition of Russia's Oleg Kononenko, NASA astronaut Don Pettit and Dutch spaceman Andre Kuipers brings the ISS crew back up to its full complement of six after the loss of the Progress caused a series of flight delays.

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CapitalismPrevails
1.5 / 5 (8) Dec 23, 2011
Why am i not surprised? I also wasn't surprised either when their Mars probe failed.
Eoprime
1 / 5 (1) Dec 23, 2011
Another one bites the dust.
Xbw
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 23, 2011
I'll bet it was the same aliens that shot that empty space ball into Africa.
Vendicar_Decarian
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 23, 2011
How do you know it is an empty alien space ball? Maybe there is an alien civilization inside it.

I'm betting that it isn't an alien space ball at all but is in fact planet Niberoo.
rawa1
1 / 5 (2) Dec 23, 2011
It's said if we realize, how many human lives were wasted during this. Although life in job doesn't count as a full-blown life.
SleepTech
3.2 / 5 (5) Dec 23, 2011
I wouldn't consider this a failure for Russia. They are simply following tradition.
Osiris1
2 / 5 (3) Dec 23, 2011
Maybe using old rockets out of storage. Russians do not waste anything, but custom of having to deal with shortages. Had a friend from Vladivostok that said that the YAK-9 was still in service there, and that is old indeed. Old is not bad....just have to keep it serviced
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (10) Dec 23, 2011
It just shows that there's nothing like good old American technology. The Russians can learn a thing or 2 from our American scientists. . .without stealing it. But that would mean for them to admit they need our help. Pride goeth after the fall? If Putin and his Commies give up their strangle hold on Russia, then maybe things MIGHT improve for their scientific community as well. With that, there can be a real spirit of cooperation and discovery between Russia and the U.S. other than trips to the ISS.
Pirouette
1.8 / 5 (6) Dec 23, 2011
How do you know it is an empty alien space ball? Maybe there is an alien civilization inside it.

I'm betting that it isn't an alien space ball at all but is in fact planet Niberoo.


What is a planet Niberoo, says spirochet to Vendicartoon
Vendicar_Decarian
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 23, 2011
Niberoo is the planet from which all giant gelatinous space aliens come.

http://en.wikiped...ollision

Your Martian Friends must have told you about Niberoo....

Do you forget so easily Spirochete?
Osiris1
2.9 / 5 (7) Dec 23, 2011
Some of that critique of Russia might hold water if it was at least intelligent, and constructive. One writer has not read the news of the world since 1989..still thinks Russia is a one party communist state. Put him and that Japanese holdout on that still believes Hirohito yet lives and WWII never ended in a room together for collective re-education. The first time did not take.
Really, Russia is trying, and we are in cutting mode. They WILL learn from this and move on. They have the spirit of Sergei Korelev to guide them and a government that has faith in them. What do we have? A government that has had just as many failures and a NASA that is broken and soon to be defunded by the tea party nazis. And yeah, do not yell 'red' when we are living under nazism. Just use da 'net compare the tea party and the NSDAP program for program and feel the hair on the back of your neck rise. Make ya wanna be anything but a reepublikan!
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 23, 2011
Niberoo is the planet from which all giant gelatinous space aliens come.

http://en.wikiped...ollision

Your Martian Friends must have told you about Niberoo....

Do you forget so easily Spirochete?
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Nope. . .can't remember any niberoo. . .never heard of it. Is that where you came from?
What Martian friends, Ven? Do YOU have Martian friends?
Pirouette
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 23, 2011
@Osiris. . . .what makes you think I'm a Republican? I haven't been one since 1959.
I do know that Putin is still a Communist even though he is not a member of the Communist party right now. . .and that there's 2 major parties in Russia. . .and now the Liberal Prokofieb (sp) is trying to form another party. . .if he isn't killed first
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 23, 2011
ooops. . .1959 is 1979 typo. . .sorry
Pirouette
1.8 / 5 (9) Dec 23, 2011
Actually I'm a Reaganite Conservative. . .he made a couple of mistakes with Iran-Contra, but the economy boomed with him as President
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (7) Dec 23, 2011
hmmm. . . .giant gelatinous space aliens? Now THAT's a novel concept.
Vendi. . . .are you overdosing on your meds lately? You really have to be more careful about those things. Niberooo. . .hmmm
Strange name. . .never heard of it
Pirouette
1.9 / 5 (9) Dec 23, 2011
""And yeah, do not yell 'red' when we are living under nazism""

I am SHOCKED that Osiris1 believes that we are living under nazism. I know that Obama has been compared to Hitler, but I didn't realize it was THAT bad. And both the Senate and the White House are ruled by Liberal Democrats and the government agencies are stacked with Liberal Obama appointees. . .so where are the Nazi people? The cops and the mayors of big cities are very liberal with the occupier dirtbags. . .are they Nazi people? This is illogical
omatumr
1 / 5 (9) Dec 23, 2011
Thanks for the intriguing story.

It is difficult to distinguish reality from propaganda in official stories like this - while faith in government science and political leaders wanes and world economies collapse:

http://strata-sph...es/17772

www.stansberryres...sue.html

http://judithcurr...t-152318

Four decades of corruption in science and economics may force us to choose between:

a.) Documents written by the UN's IRISC

http://portal.iri...erver.pt

b.) Documents written by Thomas Jefferson

http://www.ushist...ocument/

As President warned might happen in 1961:

http://www.youtub...ld5PR4ts

http://judithcurr...t-152402

OKM: www.omatumr.com

plasticpower
5 / 5 (5) Dec 24, 2011
Looks like a failure of the third stage again. But this third stage is different from the ones used to send humans to the ISS. It's a newer 2-1b configuration that's using the RD-0124 third stage instead of the older RD-0110. For those saying that US technology is more reliable, that may seem so, but consider these two facts: Russia's share of the global space launches is 40% - the highest of any country; and the much touted Atlas family of rockets, which have a 100% safety rating use Russian RD-180 engines. On average, Russia launches a spacecraft every two weeks.

The recent failures do paint a bleak picture on the state of the Russian space program. I personally think they just don't test these new modifications as much as the US does. That's how they save money. They just make something new, launch it and hope it doesn't break. I wouldn't worry much about the older stuff that's already been tested this way.
plasticpower
5 / 5 (2) Dec 24, 2011
One more thing. A lot of people are saying how the US is somehow "losing" by sending astronauts on Russian ships. They're not. They're saving money and investing the surplus in private spaceflight. Once private spaceflight takes off, every other foreign space program will look painfully antiquated very very fast. This is a long term vision, but one that is guaranteed to put the US ahead of everyone else for a very long time.
SleepTech
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 24, 2011
One more thing. A lot of people are saying how the US is somehow "losing" by sending astronauts on Russian ships. They're not. They're saving money and investing the surplus in private spaceflight. Once private spaceflight takes off, every other foreign space program will look painfully antiquated very very fast. This is a long term vision, but one that is guaranteed to put the US ahead of everyone else for a very long time.
Actually they aren't saving money. NASA asked congress for $800 million to allocate toward private space companies. Congress provided them with $400 million, pushing private space progress back another few years. In the meantime, we will be giving $400 million a year to Russia for them to ferry US astronauts. http://cosmiclog....ip-plans So no, we aren't saving money. We are delaying progress and giving our money to Russia.
SleepTech
1 / 5 (3) Dec 24, 2011
One more thing. A lot of people are saying how the US is somehow "losing" by sending astronauts on Russian ships. They're not. They're saving money and investing the surplus in private spaceflight. Once private spaceflight takes off, every other foreign space program will look painfully antiquated very very fast. This is a long term vision, but one that is guaranteed to put the US ahead of everyone else for a very long time.
Also, you might not think the US is losing now by relying on Russia, but wait unt the launch failure occurs when they are shipping US astronauts and not cargo or satellites. Russia is guaranteeing their place in the future of space- by bringing the term "Russian Roulette" to the 21st century
bluehigh
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 24, 2011
giant gelatinous space aliens


Are they edible?

Remember the human creed of interplanetary exploration - 'if we can't eat it or if we can't f**k it then go ahead and kill it'.

signoftimes
not rated yet Dec 24, 2011
Guy's, I'm sorry. I shined my green laser pointer in the sky. I'm afraid this is all my fault.
Kafpauzo
4.5 / 5 (6) Dec 24, 2011
The aggressive arrogance of some commenters comes across as amazingly dense and ignorant. Until recently, Russia had the world's best reputation for reliability, definitely superior to the US. Their hardware just worked and worked and worked, with never a glitch. Less shiny, less comfortable for the astronauts, but clearly more reliable.

Given Russia's excellent former reputation, it's truly weird that now they are suddenly failing over and over. How can such a bad change happen all across the board?

I do hope that they can find out what's causing this strange crisis, and find a way to correct the problem.

In any case, you might consider trying to be a bit more civil. Unless you want to come across as a stupidly arrogant bore, with an ignorance that is impervious to reality, consider cutting down a bit on getting all aggressive by uninformed reflex.

We're all humans. The Russians' space crisis is tragic and weird.
Skepticus
1 / 5 (1) Dec 24, 2011
One more thing. A lot of people are saying how the US is somehow "losing" by sending astronauts on Russian ships. They're not.

Sure. Losing face is nothing. Our face skin is so thick that nothing short of a nuclear bunker buster will make a dent.
Kafpauzo
5 / 5 (1) Dec 24, 2011
Skepticus, this doesn't make the US lose face. The whole world knows that what's happening is a simple matter of choice, of priorities. The US has weighed various pros and cons, and made decisions accordingly.

The fact that prioritizing causes problems for some projects doesn't make you lose face.

Of course, the priorities as such can make the US lose face among some people who disagree. The US chooses to wage "war" on the negligible threat of terrorism, choosing methods that pour fuel on the fire and makes terrorism explode, prioritizing that over large threats that cost thousands of lives all the time, over traffic hazards, over loads of health hazards, over scientific research, over climate action, etc.

That does come across as weird. The fact that the choices are severely counterproductive can make the US lose face.

But after the choice has been made, the fact that finances become tight for things that were cast aside does not in itself make the US lose face.
omatumr
1 / 5 (6) Dec 24, 2011
The aggressive arrogance of some commenters comes across as amazingly dense and ignorant. Until recently, Russia had the world's best reputation for reliability, definitely superior to the US. Their hardware just worked and worked and worked, with never a glitch. Less shiny, less comfortable for the astronauts, but clearly more reliable.

Given Russia's excellent former reputation, it's truly weird that now they are suddenly failing over and over. How can such a bad change happen all across the board?

I do hope that they can find out what's causing this strange crisis, and find a way to correct the problem.

In any case, you might consider trying to be a bit more civil. Unless you want to come across as a stupidly arrogant bore, with an ignorance that is impervious to reality, consider cutting down a bit on getting all aggressive by uninformed reflex.

The Russians' space crisis is tragic and weird.


Thanks ! Peace, http://dl.dropbox...Fear.pdf
signoftimes
3 / 5 (2) Dec 24, 2011
"The aggressive arrogance of some commenters comes across as amazingly dense and ignorant. Until recently, Russia had the world's best reputation for reliability, definitely superior to the US. Their hardware just worked and worked and worked, with never a glitch. Less shiny, less comfortable for the astronauts, but clearly more reliable."

Having worked in the defense industry, I saw first hand several pieces of Russian and Chinese hardware. Invariably it was stolen or at least copied US technology. The primary thing that I will give them credit for is their ability to steal and copy technology. Not create and lead in technological fields. My statement is based on absolute fact, not emotional opinion as so much is on here.
Kafpauzo
5 / 5 (1) Dec 24, 2011
Having worked in the defense industry, I saw first hand several pieces of Russian and Chinese hardware. Invariably it was stolen or at least copied US technology.


You mean like your web browser and the World Wide Web has been stolen from Europe? Like the dynamite used for your road building, and the spherical ball bearing used in your machines, have been stolen from Sweden?

Inventions come from everywhere. There's a large world out there, very large. People from around the world contribute to all our technology. Every single machine is a mixture of inventions from lots and lots of different countries.

Thus it's unavoidable that you'll find lots and lots of US inventions everywhere, but also Swedish, German, French, and so on.

The only exception is that creativity has been thwarted in former colonies and other countries that have been pressed into such poverty, or such dictatorship, that people can't contribute freely with new inventions. But give them time, they'll catch up.
Vendicar_Decarian
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 24, 2011
Borrowing and spending 3 trillion (current dollars) will do that to an economy.

It will also put it on the road to bankruptcy.

"Actually I'm a Reaganite Conservative. . .he made a couple of mistakes with Iran-Contra, but the economy boomed with him as President" - Spirochete
kochevnik
3 / 5 (2) Dec 24, 2011
Borrowing and spending 3 trillion (current dollars) will do that to an economy.
I'm afraid it's about $14 trillion owed to the Rothschilds now. Fortunately for USA the euro is wedged as an alternative reserve currency for the moment.
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 24, 2011
@KomradeKochevnik. . . .didn't you exterminate George Soros YET? We know already he's tied in with the Rothschild money. Do us all a favor and get rid of him and his minions.
Why, even the Minister Looey Looey Farakhan of the Nation of Islam has come out endorsing Ron Paul for President because Ron Paul is anti-Federal Reserve just like the OWS fleabaggers. You remember Looey Looey and his famous flight on the alien Mothership to outer space with Howhot and their space alien friends.
Oh, you say you haven't heard of him? Here's a few links
http://www.ufomys...han-ufo/
a picture of Farrakhan and his own words of his abduction, mothership

http://amirfatir....ship.htm
according to this, the Nation of Islam believes that bombs were used to separate the Moon from the Earth 66 TRILLION years ago.

Pirouette
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 24, 2011
(repeat) http://amirfatir....ship.htm
according to this, the Nation of Islam believes that bombs were used to separate the Moon from the Earth 66 TRILLION years ago.

http://www.purple...bb8.html

http://www.youtub...bndij-qE

http://www.usmess...aul.html
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 24, 2011
Wasn't it around 7 trillion owed when Bush left the White House. . . .and yet now, it's 14 trillion?
How are we gonna build new manned spaceships while owing that kind of money? It's virtually impossible. Either it's space industry or welfare recipients who don't want to get a job. Looks like Obama is in favor of the welfare state option
Hengine
not rated yet Dec 25, 2011
FFS Russia! You can do much better than this!

It's depressing how the past year has went for them. I wish them all the best for 2012 and hope there is more to celebrate about.
jsdarkdestruction
1 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2011
Oliver, do you not know of phase 2 of the plan? see kissinger and nixon knew about neutron repulsion and it being the main source of the suns and the universes power but chairman mao did not. as the world all followed their lead in the conspiracy they said it was to prevent nuclear war. however under the guise of that the united states had different reasons. as the climatoligists/scientists destroy our economy and power while funneling money to third world nations for supportung the scam the chinese will soon grow too strong and overpopulated for anyone but the us to even have a chance of stopping the chinese from taking over the world, at that moment neutron repulsion will be officially "discovered" and cheap easy neutron repulsion energy will be used both to power production of weapons and supplies and as weapons of mass destruction themselves in neutron repulsion bombs. saving the united states and allowing us to finally take over the whole world without looking like the bad guys...
Kafpauzo
1.5 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2011
as the world all followed their lead in the conspiracy


Don't believe in what jsdarkdestruction says. He pretends to be a conspiracy theorist.

There are no conspiracy theorists. They don't exist, they aren't real. They're all just secret agents who PRETEND to be conspiracy theorists.

Every post by a conspiracy theorist is a lie. Every single conspiracy theorist is an agent for a huge, secret, world-wide conspiracy that uses these agents to spread confusion. They want to spread confusion to make sure nobody will notice the thought rays that are sent by the lizard people on Mars.
jsdarkdestruction
2.8 / 5 (4) Dec 26, 2011
SHHHH! The lizard people are going to destroy the planet if the public finds out! Oliver k manual is their leader btw(in the lizard people civilazation incest and rape are perfectly acceptable. so is sodomizing your sons.)
Kafpauzo
5 / 5 (1) Dec 27, 2011
SHHHH! The lizard people are going to destroy the planet if the public finds out!


Oh my goodness! What have I done? Oh my, oh my. So you mean the Earth will be destroyed now? That sounds terrible! Horrible!

And all because of me...

Oops! Sorry!