GOP wins battle of the bulb
December 26, 2011 By Russell McLendon
Congress has dodged a government shutdown, agreeing to a $1 trillion spending bill that features a variety of rare compromises. Both Democrats and Republicans won some concessions, and it's too early to say who came out on top. But there's one issue where the GOP seems to have won lights-out: the battle of the bulb.
House Republicans have become livid in recent months about the Energy Department's updated efficiency rules for light bulbs, which were signed by President George W. Bush in 2007 and scheduled to take effect Jan. 1. The standards are meant to help the U.S. use less electricity, requiring that traditional incandescent bulbs become 30 percent more energy-efficient by 2012.
But under the new omnibus spending bill, Republicans have blocked the light-bulb standards by prohibiting the Energy Department from using federal funds to implement them. The rules technically can still take effect next month, but the GOP rider will prevent the U.S. from enforcing them through Sept. 30, Politico reports.
Critics have cast the standards as a "light bulb ban," suggesting they would outlaw incandescent bulbs in favor of compact fluorescent lamps, or CFLs. But supporters point out that no specific type of bulb would be outlawed; incandescent bulbs could still be sold under the new rules, as long as they're 30 percent more efficient than older models. CFLs and other energy-efficient bulbs are costlier to buy up-front, but they save money in the long run: A typical CFL saves $30 over its lifespan, according to the U.S. Energy Star program, and pays for itself in about six months.
CFLs do contain small amounts of mercury, but it's only a risk if the bulb breaks. This can make recycling CFLs difficult, although proponents point out that coal-fired power plants release mercury directly into the environment. Since traditional bulbs need more electricity, they argue, CFLs actually have a smaller "mercury footprint."
The pushback against the efficiency rules was led by conservative talk-radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh, as well as by Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., who's running for president. ("President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want," she said earlier this year.) And while Republicans have recently abandoned several other environmental riders in the spirit of progress - including major cuts to the EPA - many felt too strongly about the light-bulb issue to simply let it go.
"Speaker (John) Boehner to Chairman (Fred) Upton to Chairman (Hal) Rogers, they all strongly support keeping it in," says Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, who served on the House Energy and Commerce Committee in 2007 when the energy law was approved. "And it's a personal commitment because of their philosophy."
According to Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., the GOP bulb block is "just another poke in the eye." Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt., attributes it to "the power of Michele Bachmann and the presidential campaign." And on Twitter, Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., wrote, "I strongly oppose that language. I hope it's deleted from any final bill that we pass."
A spokeswoman for the House Appropriations Committee, however, says the GOP's anti-efficiency provision remains in the final version of the bill. "There is no change in this language from the version that was posted last night," she tells the Hill.
On Dec. 15, some lawmakers from both sides of the aisle expressed exhaustion, even apathy, about the measure. "Is it a must-have for me? No," said Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska. "That was not something that I got focused on or took up as an initiative." As Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., groused, "It's not even worth talking about. It's something that can always be worked out."
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Dec 26, 2011
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VD, just give us some time. We are working on the credibility issue of our political spokespeople(s) at this very moment.
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I'll SECOND IT.
Dec 26, 2011
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What's new? It's a quartz-halogen lamp the gets VERY hot.
"CFLs do contain small amounts of mercury, but it's only a risk if the bulb breaks."
"Most mercury spilled in the home is
from broken thermometers. Clean up
spilled mercury as soon as possible so
family members are not exposed to
airborne mercury,"
{And now CFLs}
"Cleanup of broken fluorescent and HID lamps
If the lamp has just been broken, quickly open a
window or exterior door and leave the area for 15 to
20 minutes.
Follow mercury cleanup instructions for the type of
surface to be cleaned.
Label the container Mercury Waste: Hazardous."
http://www.mnpois...ov03.pdf
Dec 26, 2011
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Its saving about 70-80% energy, and the lighting is very decent.
Smart people dont use GOP as a guideline to the future :P
Dec 26, 2011
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What they conveniently leave out is they can't be turned on and off as much as incandescents. Meaning they are going to be a lot more inconvenient. Secondly, they're full of mercury. Third, they also don't emit as much ambient light as incandescents. This article is slanted....
Dec 27, 2011
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"At the center of the lamp is a tungsten filament. Electricity heats this filament up to about 4,500 degrees F (2,500 degrees Celsius). Just like any hot metal, the tungsten gets "white hot" at that heat and emits a great deal of visible light in a process called incandescence. "
Quartz-halogen W lamp:
"In addition, it is now possible to run the filament hotter, meaning you get more light per unit of energy. You still get a lot of heat, though; and because the quartz envelope is so close to the filament, it is extremely hot compared to a normal light bulb."
http://home.howst...n151.htm
W-Halogen: 3300K
W: 2700K
A quartz envelope is required because the filament would melt the glass.
Dec 27, 2011
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Incandescent I think are preferred by many as they more closely match the sun's broad spectrum.
But 'our elite betters' know what is best for the ignorant masses.
Dec 27, 2011
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The 'progressives' believe they can force people to buy expensive electric cars (Volt). They believe if they give taxpayers money to solar companies they will magically replace oil and coal.
But when the socialists fail, they try to cover it up and lay blame on the ignorant masses who won't buy the crap they try to sell.
There are centuries of data supporting the failure of govt supported 'winners'.
Ignoring this data is either stupidity, or an overt attempt at tyranny. Given socialist history of coercion and murder, the latter is most likely.
Dec 27, 2011
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You are soooo full of loose marbles R2. You must have done some serious drugs to swallow the anti-AGW and anti-environmental position you take. You sound like a the soup natzee "Your a socialist, that technology is too good for you, no technology"
There is nothing "socialist" about it, your just an ass.
Dec 27, 2011
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Here in Quebec our electricity supplier, Hydro Quebec, has had a rebate program for switching out your home's thermostats for electronic ones for many years, whereby they give you up to $10/thermostat you purchase. In the end they paid for themselves the first year in savings. Programs like these give tangible results.
Dec 27, 2011
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Actually, I have four dimmable CFLs in my ceiling fan fixture. I hate them because they take a while to reach full brightness after startup but they also have a 13-year warranty. Looking forward to replacing them with LEDs in the very near future, however. Brightness has been an issue but the technology is almost there.
So far as the rest of the article goes, I have already replaced all incandescent lights except the ones in the conventional oven and the microwave oven. Those cannot be replaced with anything other than incandescent lighting, unfortunately.
Dec 27, 2011
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Ever hear of 'central planning'? It is the basis of socialism. The state makes all decisions about what to produce. The govt, (EPA) decided conventional, 100 Watt light bulbs could no longer be sold in the USA.
Current central plans of various socialist govt around the world have bankrupted these govts: Greece, Spain, EU, USA, ....
Obamacare is just one more example of socialist central planning. Medicare, another failed example of central planning.
Dec 27, 2011
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"Fire hazard fears over compact fluorescent lamps - after they've stopped working"
http://www.dailym...mps.html
FTA:
In a sane world, if any bulb were banned it would be the CFLs, not the incandescents.
Dec 27, 2011
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Only the manufacture and import.
Since stores are/were stocking up, it will not change things for consumers short term
But the amendment does mean Congressmen are forced to look again at the whole issue, in the fall of election year 2012.
Dec 27, 2011
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incandescent technology for ordinary lamps, including touted halogen replacements,
will effectively be banned according to the present legislation,
on the mandated 45 lumen per Watt end regulation standard, as described:
Explanation of light bulb regulations,
official links, and updates on the 7 US local state repeal bills (legislated Texas)
http://ceolas.net/#li01inx
.
Dec 27, 2011
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Stupid is as stupid does.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
If it looks like a ban, acts like a ban, it is a ban.
Dec 27, 2011
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I definitely agree..the ban is wrong!
just that the sale (in 2012) was not actually banned.
unfortunately, on future "backstop" regulation, the sale will be banned too..
See http://ceolas.net/#li23x on why stimulation of Competition, and even Taxation (for liberals), is better than light bulb regulation - also to save energy...
Dec 27, 2011
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Howhot. . .you need to PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. Instead of talking about AGW, why aren't you getting on a plane with a bunch of your AGWites, then fly to China and India and talk to THEM about their toxic emissions and THEIR incandescent light bulbs? You know why you won't do it? Because those people will boot you and your group off their property and tell you to get lost. They are of the opinion that you and people like you are trying to STIFLE them. If you are really serious about all this, you have to go there and take air samples.
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They don't trust you and the whole AGW community because you're all too pushy and aggressive with this obsession of global warming. It's almost always warm in India. . .they don't know anything else but warm, except in the mountains. You have to talk nice to them. . .if you threaten them, they will boot you out of the country. They CARE about their people and the poverty. But here you come from a wealthy country and they will think you are trying to ruin theirs.
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1. Bush signed these regulations in 2007. Republicans have since decided this is an issue they can beat Democrats up over, but the blame is with their own party.
2. Incandescents weren't banned and will continue to be available either way. There are plenty leftover in this country, and many of us have been trying to give them away as we switch to more efficient lighting. Personally, I had to throw about 10 incandescents away because I couldn't find anyone who wanted mine and I got sick of storing them.
3. Efficiency regulations are not "socialism" or "communism". Private manufacturers continue to produce as much or little of anything else as they wish, and these particular standards were easy to meet with a more efficient incandescent design. It's government interference in a market, but that's not, in and of itself, socialism. I'm sure readers here know the difference
Dec 29, 2011
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They are if required by law.
If the govt forces all cars to get 100mpg, well they are not banning cars per se, but they create an impossible 'standard'.
Socialism is as socialism does, control private property.
Yes, is. Read all about it in The Law by Bastiat, and The Road to Serfdom by Hayek.
Dec 29, 2011
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You may not like them because they interfere with your ideal free market, but that is not "socialism".
Of course, most countries now have mixed economies, with elements of socialism, but I think it's pretty unfair to Marx to say that his lifelong goal was the regulation of lightbulb efficiency.
Dec 29, 2011
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Written by socialist sympathists no doubt.
Read 'Socialism' by von Mises and you will see that govt control of private property IS socialism.
Attempts at regulating light bulb efficiency is a great socialist example of central planning.
And, it is redistributionist. The law redistributes income from low cost producers of commodity light bulbs to larger companies, like GE and Philips, who have invested heavily into CFLs and LEDs that people don't want.
Govt IS controlling the means of production with such standards and import tariffs and bans.
"The lighting industry largely backed a 2007 move to phase out incandescent light bulbs. But amid a consumer and political backlash, that support seems far more tepid now."
"General Electric (GE) and Royal Philips Electronics (PHG), two of the biggest light bulb producers, helped Congress develop the de facto incandescent ban." IBD.
Dec 29, 2011
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"But Myron Ebell, president of the libertarian Freedom Action, replied, "The whole point was to twist government rules so light bulb makers will be guaranteed a much bigger profit. They can't make much money selling bulbs at 25 or 50 cents a pop. They can make money on bulbs that cost $2, $3 or even $25.""
http://news.inves...port.htm
"Holger Krahmer, for example, a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from Germany's business-friendly FDP party has accused the EU of imposing 'light bulb socialism.""
http://www.spiege...,00.html
Dec 29, 2011
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Why do 'conservatives' support mass mercury poisoning?
Dec 29, 2011
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http://www.npr.or...=7431198
Dose makes the poison.
Now an incandescent bulb may, MAY result in the emission of 10 mg of Hg from a coal fired power plant. A CFL would emit 2.4 mg. But a CFL would release ~4 mg of Hg if broken creating a greater local risk.
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I double posted accidentally trying to alter my previous post. I realized I asked two questions and that's usually too much for Marjon to handle. I wanted to keep it simple for him.
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Dec 31, 2011
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Let's compare.
Cleaning Up a Broken CFL - US EPA
http://www.epa.go...nup.html
What if I can't follow all the recommended steps? or I cleaned up a CFL but didn't do it properly?
Don't be alarmed; these steps are only precautions that reflect best practices for cleaning up a broken CFL. Keep in mind that CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury -- less than 1/100th of the amount in a mercury thermometer.
1. Have people and pets leave the room.
2. Air out the room for 5-10 minutes by opening a window or door to the outdoor environment.
3. Shut off the central forced air heating/air-conditioning system, if you have one.
4. Be thorough in collecting broken glass and visible powder.
Place cleanup materials in a sealable container.
5. Promptly place all bulb debris and cleanup materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area until materials can be disposed of properly
Dec 31, 2011
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But I was aware that breaking an incandescent bulb releases 14 quadrillion times more tungsten in to the air than a CF lamp does in the same time.
"If a CFL breaks in your home it releases 1.4 million times more Hg in one second than an incandescent bulb releases in a second." - RyggTard.
http://www.youtub...jA-H-jMo
Dec 31, 2011
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"http://www.npr.or...=7431198" - RyggTard
RyggTard for some reason left out the following from his quoted reference.
"Given what we anticipate to be the significant increase in the use of these products, we are now beginning to look at, and shortly we'll be discussing with legislators, possibly a national solution here," says Earl Jones, a senior counsel for General Electric.
"I share your frustration that there isn't a national infrastructure for the proper recycling of this product," says Wendy Reed, who manages EPA's Energy Star program. That programs gives the compact bulbs its "energy star" seal of approval.
She says that even though fluorescent bulbs contain mercury, using them contributes less mercury to the environment than using regular incandescent bulbs. That's because they use less electricity and coal-fired power plants are the biggest source of mercury emissions in the air.
Dec 31, 2011
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And you are using him as a reference?
Doesn't that just prove that you are a piece of Libertarian Filth, Ryggtard?
http://www.vanity...ic200705
"But Myron Ebell, president of the libertarian Freedom Action, replied, "The whole point was to twist government rules so light bulb makers will be guaranteed a much bigger profit." - RyggTard
Dec 31, 2011
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Source: "Bush covers up climate research," The observer, 9/21/03
"Higher fuel efficiency standards costs lives... in 1993 alone higher [Car Efficiency Standards] cost 1300 to 2600 lives." - Myron Ebell
So once again RyggTard...
http://www.youtub...jA-H-jMo
Dec 31, 2011
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In fact contrary to your lies, the standards that have been set, have been set to specifically allow for the continued use of Incandescent bulbs in the form of higher efficiency halogen bulbs.
So Tard Boy, your statement is twice a lie.
"If the govt forces all cars to get 100mpg, well they are not banning cars per se, but they create an impossible 'standard'." - RyggTard
I have never encountered a Libertarian who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.
Dec 31, 2011
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And why don't you get a life, rather than spending your days whining about the shape of your light bulbs?
"I bought a few of those "Runs as bright as a 100 watt bulb!" lights and plugged them in. Not only were they huge and ugly but they gave light closer to that of a 10 watt bulb." - Xbw
As bright as a 10 watt bulb is it? Then you should take it back to the store because it is defective.
I have measured both the brightness and power consumption of CF bulbs and their brightness and power consumption are exactly as stated on the packaging.
So I am forced to conclude that you are a Liar.
How Republican of you.
http://www.youtub...jA-H-jMo
Dec 31, 2011
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Awwwwww........ Suck it up, child.
"You will never convince Rygg2 either because you and your community have a hard attitude that nobody likes." - Spirochete
http://www.youtub...FFQw9xfk
Dec 31, 2011
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You have had 40 years. Time's long past. Game over.
Dec 31, 2011
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"Howhot. . .you need to PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. Instead of talking about AGW, why aren't you getting on a plane with a bunch of your AGWites, then fly to China and India and talk to THEM about their toxic emissions" - Spirochete
http://www.youtub...FFQw9xfk
Dec 31, 2011
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They are plotting to steal all your incandescent lamps. They have utter disregard for private electric property, a core human right more important than health, education or life itself! Truly fiendish these CFL socialists!
Jan 01, 2012
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Jan 01, 2012
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Do Fascists attempt to control their economy? Yes.
Do socialists attempt to control their economy? Yes.
How do they achieve such control? Limiting or eliminating private property rights, aka coercion.
Koch has lived in such a coercive world so long he must not know any difference.
Hottie claims to be a scientist. Has Frankie or SH every tried to 'out' Hottie? Try to prove his claims? Has Hottie posted a list of publications?
Jan 01, 2012
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Do Capitalists attempt to control their economy? Yes.
Interesting parallel.
"Work Brings Freedom." - Sign over many German Work Camps.
"Work Brings Freedom." - Perpetual promise of the Capitalist.
Jan 01, 2012
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RyggTard has provided himself as such a wonderful proof of that principle in action.
Jan 01, 2012
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We have no quarrel with reasonable men, and hope that reasonable men manage to avoid the eradication of the American State.
Jan 02, 2012
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Do Fascists attempt to control their economy? Yes.
Do socialists attempt to control their economy? Yes.
How do they achieve such control? Limiting or eliminating private property rights, aka coercion.
Koch has lived in such a coercive world so long he must not know any difference.
Hottie claims to be a scientist. Has Frankie or SH every tried to 'out' Hottie? Try to prove his claims? Has Hottie posted a list of publications?
Jan 03, 2012
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Do Capitalists attempt to control their economy? Yes.
Interesting parallel.
"Work Brings Freedom." - Sign over many German Work Camps.
"Work Brings Freedom." - Perpetual promise of the Capitalist.