2011 Britain's second warmest year on record

Dec 31, 2011
People in Hyde Park, London, making the most of unusually hot weather in October this year. According to the Met Office national weather service, 2011 is the second-warmest year on record in Britain.

2011 was the second warmest year on record in Britain, the Met Office national weather service has said, a marked swing from a chillier 2010.

Provisional figures showed that the average temperature throughout the year was 9.62 degrees Celsius (49.3 degrees ).

The record high is still 2006, which notched an of 9.73 C (49.5 F).

All but one of the top 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1997 and all Britain's top seven warmest years happened in the last decade.

However, 2010 was the 12th-coldest year on record with 7.97 C (46.3 F), meaning 2011 was a marked change from last year.

Britain's warmest spring on record, and the second warmest autumn, bookended a cool summer.

Apart from January, which endured the knock-on from the cold December in 2010, the only other months in 2011 that had below-average temperatures were June, July and August.

Scotland suffered its wettest year on record in 2011, with 73.2 inches (1,859.5 millimetres) of rain, beating the previous set in 1990.

Meanwhile some English regions endured some of their driest-ever months.

The warmest temperature recorded in 2011 was 33.1 C (91.5 F) on June 27 at Gravesend in southeast England.

The coldest was minus 13 C (8.6 F) at Altnaharra in Scotland on January 8. The strongest gust of wind was also recorded in the Highlands, reaching 165 miles (265.5 kilometres) per hour, at the summit of Cairn Gorm.

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rawa1
1 / 5 (3) Dec 31, 2011
Scotland suffered its wettest year on record in 2011, with 73.2 inches (1,859.5 millimetres) of rain
The increasing temperature gradient and the change of atmospheric circulation from horizontal into vertical one implies, most of water will circulate above coastal areas, whereas the inland areas will suffer droughts.

http://aetherwave...nge.html
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (21) Dec 31, 2011
How long have records been kept?
MR166
1.9 / 5 (17) Dec 31, 2011
More global warming crap here. The warmest year on record was 2006 my butt. You can prove anything that you want with manipulated data. Garbage in equals garbage out as far as I am concerned.
sulwath
4 / 5 (5) Dec 31, 2011
why is it crap?

If records only began in 2005 it may well have been the warmest.

Without telling us whose records they are or when said records began all these statistics are utterly meaningless. Whenever I see or hear the phrase since records began I want to scream because the information tells us nothing.

Would it help any of you to know that this year I grew my best crop of cauliflowers since records began.
enigma13x
2.8 / 5 (9) Dec 31, 2011
the weather records for the uk go back to 1910 and in some locality's they go back further but the official standard records that they would be going off only started in the 1960's and by the way mr166 i must admit that it is not conclusive evidence of climate change but surely it is enough to open your closed little mind to the possibility of it. by the way here's an experiment that you can do... take 2 boxes put a thermometer in each fill one with normal air and the other with carbon dioxide enriched air and you will find that the one with extra carbon dioxide is several degrees hotter a conclusive experiment that is not crap.
MR166
2.2 / 5 (13) Dec 31, 2011
Enigma if you bothered to read a little history you would find that they were growing citrus fruit in England during the MWP. If "second warmest since 2006" means measurements taken in a parking lot next to an air-conditioning unit then I stand corrected.
MR166
1.9 / 5 (13) Dec 31, 2011
I have to agree that your "box" experiment is just as valid as the computer generated climate simulations that are being fed to us as scientific proof of AGW.
enigma13x
2.8 / 5 (9) Dec 31, 2011
soooo it must have been sooo much hotter back then so why are 10,000 year old glaciers melting away to nothing now and not then? even if by some slim chance climate change is not helped along by man, carbon in the air dissolves in to the oceans forming dead spots where fish cannot breath as well as making a dilute acid which eats away at coral and the shells of animals like plankton which is the bottom of the food chain so why dont you just keep on polluting and saying nothing is wrong with the world i can put as much crap in to the environment as i like because your mutated kids can always eat "i cant believe its not fish" out of a tube
Skepticus_Rex
2.1 / 5 (14) Dec 31, 2011
take 2 boxes put a thermometer in each fill one with normal air and the other with carbon dioxide enriched air and you will find that the one with extra carbon dioxide is several degrees hotter a conclusive experiment that is not crap.


This version of the experiment is crap. There are no controls. Besides, it is well known that CO2 will radically raise ambient temperatures when there is in excess of 5,000 ppmv in one of the boxes. This is a very simplistic experiment at best.

If you are interested in a better one with as many as three controls, PM me and I'll give you the details to try for yourself. If you decide to do it you need to provide your results as I and friends are trying to collect results from as many people as try the experiment for purposes of comparison.

Warning: In most cases people who have done the modified experiment get really angry, decry the experiment, and then refuse to disclose their results. I often wonder, "Why is it that that happens?" :)
MR166
1.8 / 5 (12) Dec 31, 2011
18,000 years ago there glaciers over 1 mile thick in parts of the US east coast. The last I looked, they are all gone. Is it your contention that "Man" has caused this???? I have news for you, the earth is in a cycle where it is or was getting warmer but it has nothing to do with man or today's extremely low CO2 levels!

As far as the CO2 levels go, we are pretty much at a low point in the earth's history. If it were as harmful as the UN "scientists" are trying to make us believe the earth would have "died" millions of years ago.
runrig
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 01, 2012
18,000 years ago there glaciers over 1 mile thick in parts of the US east coast. The last I looked, they are all gone. Is it your contention that "Man" has caused this???? I have news for you, the earth is in a cycle where it is or was getting warmer but it has nothing to do with man or today's extremely low CO2 levels!

As far as the CO2 levels go, we are pretty much at a low point in the earth's history. If it were as harmful as the UN "scientists" are trying to make us believe the earth would have "died" millions of years ago.


I suggest you look up "Milankovitch cycles" to correct your abject ignorance re the reasons the earth has Ice ages.

Also.... from Wikipedia "The present (CO2)level is higher than at any time during the last 800 thousand years, and likely higher than in the past 20 million years."

BTW: the English temp. record goes back to 1659 - the Central England temperature record (CET).
Vendicar_Decarian
3.9 / 5 (16) Jan 01, 2012
A global temperature increase of 2'C was responsible for..

"18,000 years ago there glaciers over 1 mile thick in parts of the US east coast. The last I looked, they are all gone." - MR166

Projections call for a 3'C to 4'C temperature increase over the next 90 years with another 3'C to 4'C to be realized due to climate inertia.

If a 2'C increase ended the last ice age, what will a 6'C to 8'C temperature increase do?

Vendicar_Decarian
3.9 / 5 (15) Jan 01, 2012
All you have is bullshit and fantasy.

"I have news for you, the earth is in a cycle where it is or was getting warmer but it has nothing to do with man or today's extremely low CO2 levels!" - MR166

The causes of ice age cycles are well known and as the above post states they are due to changes in the earths rotational and orbital parameters.

The standard pattern for the ending of a glacial cycle is for the global temperature to overshoot it's equilibrium level and then slowly decline in temperature (with noise), until the next ice age is triggered.

Global temperatures are observed to be spiking upward near the end of the current interglacial, contrary to the standard evolution of an interglacial.

Your claim that temperatures continue to rise in an Interglacials is therefore seen as a lie.

What is your reason for coming to tell lies?
Vendicar_Decarian
4 / 5 (16) Jan 01, 2012
When do you intend to stop lying?

"Enigma if you bothered to read a little history you would find that they were growing citrus fruit in England during the MWP." - MR166

The Citrus in England claim comes from a statement made in Denialist Ian Plimer's nonsense book "Heaven and Earth", page 59, where he makes the claim without evidence or supporting reference.

No publication in the scientific literature has been found to support his claim.

Vendicar_Decarian
3.9 / 5 (15) Jan 01, 2012
"You can prove anything that you want with manipulated data." - MR16

And manipulated data and outright lies are all you Denialist's have to support your Ignorant, Anti-Science Lunacy.

So.. When do you intend to stop lying?

http://news.bbcim..._464.gif
Eric_B
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 01, 2012
While anecdotal evidence has it's limits it is disturbing to note that here in Chicago we have had the second holiday season with practically NO SNOW.

I can also tell you that 30 years ago our 7 and 14 year cicadas used to come out like clockwork and in droves, but no more.

When I was a kid (I'm a 42 y.o. kid, now) we used to see plenty of stag beetles every summer and plentiful caterpillars.

I haven't seen any of these fauna for YEARS!!!
MR166
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2012
Here is a good graph of CO2 and temps. vs time.

As I said we are close to the lows.
Davecoolman
1.5 / 5 (17) Jan 01, 2012
Happy Warming New Year.
As usual the Vendicraps of the world cry were doomed and every warmist blog claims this is a record, this is the hottest ,this is the stormiest.
Well you are losing the eyes ,hearts and souls of the people.
You want proof:

Settled science: Everyplace to be hit by climate change harder than everyplace else!

http://tomnelson....-by.html

You can't make this stuff up... oh, yes they do.

Apparently, the hardest hit for the climategate team to predict is which bridge to cross and which to burn.

CAGW would be hardest hit if this were published in the MSM.

Australia hardest hit by climate change...S-east Asia will be hardest hit...Indian poor hardest hit....Peru hardest hit...Small Island Developing States among hardest hit...Nepal likely to be hardest-hit...Inuit of Canada Amongst Hardest Hit...Texas will be one of hardest hit...Greenland hardest hit...Africa May Be Worst Hit...Pakistan & Guatemala........
Davecoolman
1.5 / 5 (17) Jan 01, 2012
Just The Facts
Global Surface Temperatures.

Depending on the time frame, it certainly seems that Earths surface temperature has increased, though it does not appear to be warming rapidly and there are no indications of an accelerating rate. Furthermore, the surface temperature record is burdened with issues of questionable siting, changes in siting, changes in equipment, changes in the number of measurement locations, modeling to fill in gaps in measurement locations, corrections to account for missing, erroneous or biased measurements, and the urban heat island effect. Thus to see the big picture on the temperature Earths temperature, it helps to also look up.

http://wattsupwit...erature/
Davecoolman
1.5 / 5 (17) Jan 01, 2012
Vandicrap, Are you still alive? this one will WARM your Canadian heart. Could, Should, Might. Possible, Model, Hottest......

More warmist model alarm!!

Be careful today and tonight, billions may die!

Global warming may go on a last minute rampage. Maybe best to just stay at home and lock your doors, bar your windows, and turn your air conditioner on. If you live near the coast, head for high ground. Deaths due to drinking and driving will be nothing compared to this.

This story appeared in The Canadian January 8th, 2007, its been a countdown example of stupidity ever since. Unbelievably, it is still on their website. Note todays date.

Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

Hydrate hypothesis illuminates growing climate change alarm
Compiled by John Stokes The Canadian January 8th, 2007.

http://www.agorac...291.html
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (15) Jan 01, 2012
Vendicrap,
Here a juicy email form your beloved Canadian DeSmogBlog:
Email 35
Hi Michael [Mann],
I'm a DeSmogBlog writer [Richard LIttlemore] (I got your email from Kevin Grandia) and I am trying to fend off the latest announcement that global warming has not actually occurred in the 20th century.
It looks to me like Gerd Burger is trying to deny climate change by "smoothing," "correcting" or otherwise rounding off the temperatures that we know for a flat fact have been recorded since the 1970s, but I am out of my depth (as I am sure you have noticed: we're all about PR here, not much about science) so I wonder if you guys have done anything or are going to do anything with Burger's intervention in Science.
You wouldn't think so from the: all is warming promotion guys and his boss David Suzuki(fruit fly king) man.
Hows the weather in BC?
Davecoolman
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 01, 2012
Vendicrap.

Did you know that David Suzuki(fruit fly). Rescued Santa from the North Pole? Yeh it,s true , he brought Santa to a place you know well Vancouver, BC, Canada. He now works out of an old factory there:

The North Pole is no longer safe for Santa's Workshop
Video of Suzuki at the MAKE BELIEVE watery North Pole.

http://www.wherew...le-video

The North Pole, once a wintry wonderland,
is no longer safe for Santa's Workshop.

Climate change is melting the snow and ice, and the rising water is getting too close for comfort. Santa must relocate fast to make sure that all the nice boys and girls still have a Happy Holiday.
You can help by buying Santa the supplies he needs to land safely in a new home.
Better yet, buy them as green gifts for friends and family to show you're thinking about them and the planet this holiday season.
David Suzuki.
Another of your lieing doom and gloom idols hits a dip,a low spot a cooling chill.
Yeh he.s believable!
Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Jan 01, 2012
Today's high in Chicago was 7'C. The average for that date is 0'C.

"While anecdotal evidence has it's limits it is disturbing to note that here in Chicago we have had the second holiday season with practically NO SNOW." - Eric
Davecoolman
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 01, 2012
Vendicrap.
Another nice word warmist word: Projections.
The MWP.
One of your own IPPC true blues says:

Briffa Confirms MWP In Southern Hemisphere
December 26, 2011
tags: climategate

date: Wed Feb 15 16:43:41 2006
from: Keith Briffa
subject: bullets
to: REDACTED
Peck
do not think you will like what I say here , but I am going to give straight answers to
your questions.
MWP in the Southern Hemisphere.

I suggest this should be taken together, the sparse evidence of Southern Hemisphere temperatures prior to the period of instrumental records indicates that overall warming has occurred during the last 350 years, but the even fewer longer regional records indicate earlier periods that are as warm, or warmer than, 20th century means.

http://notalotofp...ment-285
Vendicar_Decarian
4.1 / 5 (13) Jan 01, 2012
Poor CoolTard. He got a 2 out of 10 in grade school reading comprehension.

"but the even fewer longer regional records indicate earlier periods that are as warm, or warmer than, 20th century means." - CoolTard

The key words are "fewer" and "regional".

The paragraph clearly states that the fewer regional warming periods support the global warming of the last 350 years because,

1. They are regional, not global and regional variability is greater than global variability.

and

2. Because there are fewer of them and hence their average will necessarily be lower than it would be if there were more of them.

DaveCoolTard. Life Long Member of the Moron family.

Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Jan 01, 2012
The Current arctic ice extent remains .68 million square kilometers lower than historical averages.

http://arctic.atm...ctic.png

Ice volume is falling like a stone

http://www.zeebur...elt.html

http://www.physor...est.html
Davecoolman
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 01, 2012
Vendicar_Decarian And Eric.
We are going to die,it;s started in Chicago 7'C and counting.
Oh the Horror!
Get a life and some facts then cool down!
Temperature goes up and temperature goes down get over it!

2006 - Mildest January in Chicago since 1933.

http://www.climat...chicago/

Today's high in Chicago was 7'C. The average for that date is 0'C.

"While anecdotal evidence has it's limits it is disturbing to note that here in Chicago we have had the second holiday season with practically NO SNOW." - Eric
Davecoolman
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Vendicrap.
Mann's Discredited Hockey Stick Takes Another Huge Hit: South America's Hot Medieval Temperatures.

New research determines that South America did experience the Medieval Warming and temperatures were higher during MWP, contrary to Michael Mann's hockey stick "science"

http://www.c3head...res.html

Read here. As hundreds of scientists have discovered and published, the Medieval Warming (MWP) climate was global in nature, with temperatures that in many areas of the world were higher than today's temperatures.
New research determines that South America did experience the Medieval Warming and temperatures were higher during MWP, contrary to Michael Mann's hockey stick "science
Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Jan 02, 2012
Has this "John Stokes" published anything in the peer reviewed scientific literature?

No. So why would I care about what he blogs?

"Be careful today and tonight, billions may die!" - CoolTard

"Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012 - John Stokes." - CoolTard's link

Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Jan 02, 2012
"it certainly seems that Earths surface temperature has increased' - CoolTard

What happened to the cooling that you denialists dishonestly claimed was happening?

Oh ya... You were lying...

Meanwhile Koch industries funded the following "BEST"
analysis.

http://www.youtub...Qts-8Cxo

Odd how the Koch's "BEST" analysis produces the same results as the NOAA, NASA, GSU, JAXA, AGU, and IPCC global temperature analysis.

Hmm. Who is left on your side other than the Oil and Coal industry?

Ahhhhh......

Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Jan 02, 2012
Tom Neilson ay?

And who's anus did that blogging nobody fall out of?

"Settled science: Everyplace to be hit by climate change harder than everyplace else!

http://tomnelson.html" - CoolTard
Davecoolman
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 02, 2012
Vendicrap.
Never let a honest fact come to the surface, it might make you skeptical or even worse an ex warmist. Your a sore loser, you fell into a huge turd filled CO2 hole. You hate facts that that don't come out of your socialist warmist borehole.
Get the facts. The MWP was a fact and world wide as lots of climategate emails have indicated.
From real scientist who aren't at the public trough.
Try WUWT 31 million visits last year alone and more truthful facts and science than the whole IPPC circus combined.
I already know your reply so don't bother.
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Vendicrap.
your so predictable.
Meanwhile Koch industries funded the following "BEST"
analysis.

http://www.youtub...Qts-8Cxo

Odd how the Koch's "BEST" analysis produces the same results as the NOAA, NASA, GSU, JAXA, AGU, and IPCC global temperature analysis.

Hmm. Who is left on your side other than the Oil and Coal industry?
You forgot the old stand by Tobacco.

De-fund and take away the $Billions from the end is near CAGW industry and see how many warmist there would be. I suspect just a few die hard Watermelons like you, unless your a PAID warmist troll, are you?
Vendicar_Decarian
4.3 / 5 (12) Jan 02, 2012
Hundreds of them ay? Why are there only 10 in the author list?

Ahahahahah... Cool Tard...

"Read here. As hundreds of scientists have discovered and published, the Medieval Warming (MWP) climate was global in nature, with temperatures that in many areas of the world were higher than today's temperatures." - CoolTard

So from the article, in a region representing 0.1 percent of the earth's surface there was an apparent period where the temperatures were 0.4'C above the long term average.

Today global temperatures are 0.74'C above the historical average.

What happened to your claim that the MWP was warmer than today?

Oh. ya.. You were lying when you repeatedly made that claim.

Davecoolman
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Vandicrap.
Did you know the so-called climate scientists are turning over a new leaf too? New Years Resolutions For Climate Scientists.\
Vendi raise your right hand if you have one and swear:

I will admit that warming has been much slower than we expected
I will admit that recent sea level rise is nothing unusual or threatening
I will admit that our forecasts of declining snow cover were wrong
I will admit that Arctic temperatures are cyclical, and that we have no idea what will happen to Arctic ice over the next 50 years
I will admit that our forecasts of Antarctic warming have been a total failure.
I will admit that Polar Bear populations are not threatened
I will admit that climate models have demonstrated no skill, and are nothing more than research projects
I will admit there was a Medieval Warm Period
I will admit that that there was a Little Ice Age
I will stop pretending that we dont have climate records prior to 1970
Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Jan 02, 2012
Meanwhile Koch industries funded the following "BEST"
analysis.

http://www.youtub...Qts-8Cxo

Odd how the Koch's "BEST" analysis produces the same results as the NOAA, NASA, GSU, JAXA, AGU, and IPCC global temperature analysis.

Hmm. Who is left on your side other than the Oil and Coal industry?
You forgot the old stand by Tobacco.
Davecoolman
1.2 / 5 (22) Jan 02, 2012
Con't...
I will admit that the surface temperature record has been manipulated and is contaminated by UHI
I will stop making up data where none exists
I will honestly face skeptics in open debate.
I will quit trying to stop skeptics from being published
I will admit that glaciers have been disappearing for hundreds or thousands of years
I will stop telling people that the climate is getting more extreme, without producing any evidence
I will admit that hurricanes are on the decline
I will admit that severe tornadoes are on the decline
I will admit that droughts were much worse in the past
I will admit that efforts to shut down power plants have potentially very serious consequences for the future
I will pay for my own tickets to tropical climate boondoggles like Cancun, rather than improperly using taxpayer money for political activism
I will admit that there is no missing heat
I will admit that temperatures have been cooling for at least the last decade
Vendicar_Decarian
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 02, 2012
So much CoolTard turds and so little time.

http://www.youtub...nman3610

http://www.youtub...nman3610#p/u/31/WKyRHDFKEXQ

http://www.youtub...nman3610#p/u/36/m-AXBbuDxRY

http://www.youtub...nman3610#p/u/62/Py2XVILHUjQ

http://www.youtub...nman3610#p/u/70/BSXgiml5UwM

etc. etc. etc...
Davecoolman
1.2 / 5 (21) Jan 02, 2012
Venditurd.

Do you swear -I will publish the raw data and not lose it.

I think there's an Ideal job for you and all Watermelons!

Students! If you found physics 101 tedious because you had to keep fussing about with error bars and werent allowed to just write down any number which popped out of your calculator dont be disheartened!
There is a branch of science just for you!!!!
In fact Climatology needs you!
It pays well and will get you endless conferences around the world.
You will never have to show your working and you will always have the option of explaining away a bad result by a quick ad hoc addition to your theory.
You will never be wrong.
Our guarantee: No Hypothesis ever rejected!
Join Up Now!
Vendicar_Decarian
4.3 / 5 (12) Jan 02, 2012
"Do you swear -I will publish the raw data and not lose it." - CoolTard

What "Raw Data" are you referring to Tard Boy. No "Raw Data" has been lost.

You are living in a TardLand fantasy.

"If you found physics 101 tedious because you had to keep fussing about with error bars" - CoolTard

Yet more Nonsense..

Here is a plot of the GISS data. Note the error bars.

http://data.giss....g.A2.gif

Poor Cool Tard. Proving to the world he is a low grade moron is his life's ambition.

Vendicar_Decarian
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 02, 2012
I have little doubt that Watts has made several million selling lies to suckers like you.

"Try WUWT 31 million visits last year alone" - Cool Tard

You know, lies like his claim that heat islands are polluting the temperature data, when his own analysis couldn't find such a problem.

Remember how Watts claimed that he would accept the results of the KOCH funded "BEST" analysis and then went back on his word when the analysis proved that he was a liar and a fool?

Ahahahahahaha.........

Man.. You are one spectacular loser.
Vendicar_Decarian
4.6 / 5 (19) Jan 02, 2012
Meanwhile the U.S. grain belt is slowly turning to desert.

Have fun trying to feed yourself Tard Boy.

"I suspect just a few die hard Watermelons like you, unless your a PAID warmist troll, are you?" - CoolTard
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Vendi.
Good night, your a die hard blow hard and no amount of reason will change that as anybody who is familiar with you, your history and your aliases will know.
Hows that trying to get off the US watch list for threats made to the US president going? Hows the weather in Vancouver?
bluehigh
1.2 / 5 (20) Jan 02, 2012
A few properties in North Eastern Russia are for sale. There is 7000 hectares for about $2m USD. Perhaps a good investment for a future tropical resort. Although I am not sure that I would buy anything from a guy with the surname Kalishnikov. Good slices of Tundra are available in the Yamalo-Nenets region going cheap, soon to be excellent tropical fruit growing areas with a plentiful supply of clean ex-glacier water for irrigation.
Vendicar_Decarian
4.3 / 5 (12) Jan 02, 2012
"Hows the weather in Vancouver?" - Cool Tard

How would I know?

Probably warm.

I noted earlier in the day the Unisys Weather Server shows that there is a finger of warm tropical air moving up the North American West Coast.

"Hows that trying to get off the US watch list for threats made to the US president going?" - CoolTard

Am I on an American watch list, am I? Wow.. Just like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and the Pope.

PaulRadcliff
4.3 / 5 (12) Jan 02, 2012
Climate Change and Global Warming have been turned into political debate topics in the propaganda polluted USA. Science deals with facts and results of usually credible experiments and observations. Climate is a tough area to nail down, but melting polar ice caps are not fictional. Species migrating north to escape climbing average temperatures is NOT fictional. Something IS going on and we need to do something about it, regardless of the causes. Continued pollution and rampant resource wasting practices are short-sighted and stupid. Deniers of science are stupid, as well. Why deniers would troll a science-based website makes no sense, unless to stir debate. Useless to keep debating against overwhelming scientific consensus, it makes those doing so, appear ignorant and laughably ill-informed. Period. Educate yourselves with facts, not propaganda. If you watch Fox News and think it's true and accurate news reporting, you are fooling yourselves.
Global Climate Change is real. TRUTH.
Davecoolman
1.2 / 5 (23) Jan 02, 2012
PaulRadcliff
You are welcome to every skeptical site I have ever visited without censure or your comment being sent down the bore hole because you don't agree with the CAGW position. What you will get is a lively debate. This is one good thing about Pysog.com. Yes they only present warmist article, but the don't censure or remove contrary opinion or skeptics like myself. Your Comment don't reflect most of the skeptical sites or skeptics, We are concerned about 99% of what you have mentioned above. What we don't buy is the orgy and 100's of $ billion's of public money being freely distributed by our governments to the detriment of many good planet saving options. The CO2 Theory is DOA now lets put these the resources to saving the oceans - fighting overpopulation and common sense management of our resources and planet. Warmist have earned a bad reputation as defend the cause no matter the economic harm or consequences. Read the UN or Greenpeace manifestos - scary & Orwellian!
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Some facts that make me a Skeptic!

2012 Global Warming Report Card

'Global temps are declining this century; Sea level has been declining for several years,& is lower now than in 2003; Arctic ice extent & area is highest for date since 2005; Temps in Antarctica have been declining & ice has been increasing for 30 years; Winter snow extent is increasing,& has been near record highs; Drought in Australia is at historic lows; Drought in US is well below mean; Polar Bears have tripled; Yellowstone Grizzly Bear have tripled'

Read the Graphs put out by national data centers not produced by skeptics.
But I read some minds already = total rejection.

http://www.real-s...ort-card
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (14) Jan 02, 2012
I think M Mann is a pleasant fatherly looking guy, but so was Stalin.

Dont be so hard on Mann et al. Their little faux pas only cost US taxpayers $106.7 billion dollars from 2003-2010 which doesnt include an additional $79 billion spent on climate change technology research, tax breaks for green energy, foreign aid to address climate problems; another 16.1 billion since 1993 in federal revenue losses due to green energy subsidies; or still another $26 billion earmarked for climate change programs and related activities in the 2009 Stimulus Bill. Source US Government Accounting Office (GAO); Forbes

Mann has spent $1 million to date in legal fees trying to keep ATI from getting access to his emails even though he supposedly didnt do anything wrong.

However, as we are frequently reminded by these modern chicken littles, its not about the money.

= $128 billion & counting.

Does this compare to what skeptics have spent combined? Not even a fraction of that!
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (14) Jan 02, 2012
The history of ice on Earth by NewScientist

http://www.newsci...ull=true

But this respite from the ice is likely to prove short-lived, at least in geological terms. Human effects on the climate notwithstanding, the cycle will continue to turn, the hothouse period will some day come to an end and the ice sheets will descend again.

See NewScientist time frame Graph:

http://dailybayon...hart.jpg

Davecoolman
1 / 5 (10) Jan 02, 2012
Pachauri: Its Too Late to Fight Climate Change!

More on the Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

January 1, 2012 at 10:51 am

If theres no action before 2012, thats too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.

Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Nov. 2007
The above quote appeared in a New York Times article that also contained this paragraph:
Delegations from hundreds of nations will be meeting in Bali, Indonesia in two weeks to start hammering out a global climate agreement to succeed the Kyoto Protocol, the current climate change treaty. The first phase of the Kyoto Treaty expires in 2012.

So did Bali produce a successor to the Kyoto Protocol? No.
Did Copenhagen? No. Cancun? No. Durban? No. That settles it, then. I guess were done for *nod and a wink*.
Happy New Year, everyone!

http://nofrakking...1/01/pac
Davecoolman
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 02, 2012
Climatologist considers faking sick rather than debating

Email 3183

date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:18:40 0000 from: Gabi Hegerl subject: Re: Press coverage of polar detection paper to: Phil Jones

Hi Phil, I managed to back myself into a debate after all and am agonizing over it. Pat Michaels wants to go after the historical context ie a ice free arctic not being unusual. should I just fall ill? do you know about ice free arctic in paleoclimatic context? do we have arctic proxies? Gabi

Yeh warmist will do anything to avoid a debate, I wonder why???
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (10) Jan 02, 2012
Ed Cook: "It certainly looks pretty spooky to me with strong "Medieval Warm Period" and "Little Ice Age" signals in it"

ClimateGate email 3759

date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:07:38 -0400

from: Ed Cook

subject: Oroko Swamp

to: Keith Briffa

Hi Keith,

Here is the Oroko Swamp RCS chronology plot in an attached Word 98 file and actual data values below. It certainly looks pretty spooky to me with strong "Medieval Warm Period" and "Little Ice Age" signals in it. It's based on substantially more replication than the series in the paper you have to review (hint, hint!)...[Ed Cook]

Vendicrap - I didn't write this stuff the paid scientist did!
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (10) Jan 02, 2012
Dendrochronologists get spanked!

ClimateGate Email 1738
However, there are bounds to dendrochronology, as there are to every field of investigation, & the discipline has spilled over way outside of those bounds, to the point of absurdity.

"What troubles me even more than the inexactness attending chronological estimates is how much absolute nonsense - really nothing but imaginative speculation - about the environment of the past is being deduced from tree rings & published in dendrochronology journals."
..As I see it, the peer review process in dendrochronology must be fundamentally flawed to allow such publications.
...when your group stops pretending that it knows the answers before it has done the needed research. Again, I am troubled by your group that it shows little humility, no genuine desire to discover the truth.

UNB Faculty Forestry Environmental Management Rod Savidge

Areas of expertise
Tree physiology
Wood anatomy
Plant
cell biology
Davecoolman
1.1 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Don't miss this devastating criticism of the IPCC from a guy who contributed to all five IPCC Assessment Reports:

ClimateGate FOIA grepper!
From: GIORGI FILIPPO To: Chapter 10 LAs -- Congbin Fu , GIORGI FILIPPO , Bruce Hewitson , Mike Hulme , Jens Christensen , Linda Mearns , Richard Jones , Hans von Storch , Peter Whetton Subject: On "what to do?" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:58:02 0200 ???(MET DST)

...First let me say that in general, as my own opinion, I feel rather uncomfortable about using not only unpublished but also un reviewed material as the backbone of our conclusions (or any conclusions).

I realize that chapter 9 is including SRES stuff, and thus we can and need to do that too, but the fact is that in doing so the rules of IPCC have been softened to the point that in this way the IPCC is not any more an assessment of published science (which is its proclaimed goal) but production of results.
Con't...
Davecoolman
1 / 5 (16) Jan 02, 2012
Filippo Giorgi Ph.D.IPPC Con't...
The softened condition that the models themselves have to be published does not even apply because the Japanese model for example is very different from the published one which gave results not even close to the actual outlier version (in the old dataset the CCC model was the outlier). Essentially, I feel that at this point there are very little rules and almost anything goes. I think this will set a dangerous precedent which might mine the IPCC credibility, and I am a bit uncomfortable that now nearly everybody seems to think that it is just ok to do this. Anyways, this is only my opinion for what it is worth.

Filippo Giorgi Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences- National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colorado, USA. ICTP Head - Earth System Physics (ESP) section. 200 papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals One of the most highly cited scientists in the geosciences.
He has been PI or co-PI of over 25 research grants in Europe and the U.S
Davecoolman
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 02, 2012
Filippo Giorgi Ph.D.
He has been PI or co-PI of over 25 research grants in Europe and the U.S. From 2002 to 2008 Giorgi was one of the vice chairs of Working Group I of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. He contributed to all five IPCC Assessment Reports to date.

I realize that to Venditurd that Filippo Giorgi Ph.D. must be a traitor,a skeptic anything but an honest scientist with a consideration for the truth and a reputation to uphold, to Vendi these things mean little or nothing as long as the CAGW scam progresses!
Non so blind as he who will not see!!!
rubberman
5 / 5 (1) Jan 03, 2012
Coolman, if the current warming has the same causes as the MWP, can you grasp what the implications are with 7 billion of us here as opposed to the 70 million that were around at that time? Quit whining about your wallet and wake up and smell the unsustainability. Yes "green" solutions cost money, new infrastructure costs money, but it isn't governments or countries that profit, it is the corporations that engineer and manufacture the solutions to these issues who profit. If you beleive in the capitalist system then you shouldn't have a problem with this. The world is moving on this based on a landslide of observable evidence not only supporting AGW, but evidence that also indicates the unsustainable nature of our current way of life. Perhaps you have a kink in your kneck from the angle at which your head is lodged in your ass.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 03, 2012
if the current warming has the same causes as the MWP,

What was the cause of the MWP?
Why do you assume there was some human cause for MWP when climate has been warmer AND colder millions of years before humans existed?
rubberman
5 / 5 (1) Jan 03, 2012
There is no definitive cause of the MWP and I don't assume a human contribution. However, if the cause then was the same as it is today, and the temperature increase and timescale correspond also, the additional 175 PPM (over MWP levels) of CO2 we have pumped into the atmoshpere alone will be enough to cause serious problems and ensure that this warming lasts alot longer than 300 years. Debating the cause of the current warming trend is a waste of time and is only engaged in by those who wish to cling to our (western) dying way of life. It's not doom and gloom for everyone, it's just a very painful transition which we, and the next dozen generations have to deal with. The fact that the climate has been warmer and colder for before our arrival simply makes our footprint even more undeniable. Are you face to face with Coolman?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 03, 2012
he fact that the climate has been warmer and colder for before our arrival simply makes our footprint even more undeniable.

How?
Glaciers started melting 10000 years ago without much help from humans.
Debating the cause of the current warming trend is a waste of time

Why? If you are wrong, your 'solutions' are more than just a waste of time and money, but will cause millions to suffer needlessly. Also, geoengineering 'solutions' may exacerbate cooling, which is much more damaging to survival than warming.
The more rational response to climate is to do what humans have done for thousands of years, adapt.
rubberman
4 / 5 (1) Jan 03, 2012
I didn't say anything about Geoengineering, I was referring to adaptive solutions such as wind, solar, geothermal as replacements for antiquated fossil fuel generated power that dominates our current infrastructure. Debating the cause of the current warming trend is a waste of time because, oddly enough, the denialist argument has gone from the rediculous "it's not happening" argument to the slightly more plausible "it is happening but it's not our fault because it's happened in the past" stance. CO2 will amplify the warming whether it is natural or man made, so you are correct on our requirement for adaptation as the rational response. At this point however, everyone with more to lose than to gain from the required changes loses their rationality....
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 03, 2012
The AGWites had to rephrase the doomsday message from 'global warming' to 'global climate change'.
Why?
CO2 will amplify the warming whether it is natural or man made

That remains to be proven.
Which is why NPL and NIST want calibrated radiometers on orbit.
rubberman
not rated yet Jan 03, 2012
The AGWites had to rephrase the doomsday message from 'global warming' to 'global climate change'.
Why?
CO2 will amplify the warming whether it is natural or man made

That remains to be proven.
Which is why NPL and NIST want calibrated radiometers on orbit.


I was unaware that CO2's classification as a GHG was under scrutiny.....
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 03, 2012
You do know H2O is the MOST significant greenhouse gas?
The question that has yet to be demonstrated is the impact of CO2. You do know why CO2 was chosen? One, it is easy to measure and well mixed and is easy to model.
But when one looks closely at CO2 IR absorption bands (few) and its atm concentration, small, much needs to be demonstrated.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 03, 2012
No monetary incentive to support AGW?
"Within the United States, and also elsewhere, global warming scares have become a means of transferring taxpayer money to politically influential cronies. There is now so much crony capitalism that it would be difficult to reverse or even stop the ongoing subsidies, outright grants, tax breaks, and other transfers to privileged groups."
http://www.indepe...?id=3216
Ever hear of Solyndra?
Howhot
5 / 5 (8) Jan 04, 2012
@R2, do you really buy into this?
global warming scares have become a means of transferring taxpayer money to politically influential cronies.


Cronies? Really? Influential? Really? I think you have the whole global warming issue really messed up. We (I mean me and the other green heads) want to do good for all of us. I know several green capitalists. I also know many "capitalists" that would destroy Liberty itself to make a buck, and they are the ones to fear, not a few green grass loving libs like me.

Your arguing the wrong argument. A real libertarian would would want his land rights, and protect those land rights (and fight against the pollution that falls on that land). No one should have "land-rights" over the air, but the fossil fuel industry claims they do with at the expense of everyone else with CO2, ... etc.

You site "Solyndra" as an example of green waste. I site the GW Bush admin as a waste.


ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (12) Jan 05, 2012

Your arguing the wrong argument.

Just pointing out there are financial rewards for supporting AGW.
AGWites accuse those that question their faith are motivated by financial interests.
No one should have "land-rights" over the air,

Why not?
rubberman
4.9 / 5 (8) Jan 05, 2012
Rygg, data is not scare tactic. Therefore the only people that feel it is are people who are scared of the coming changes that the data represents. Some organizations/corporations/politicians manipulate portions of the data to instill fear and place blame in order to attempt to manipulate the masses/generate profit/secure their party position. Those who are successful are either viewed as hero's by their supporters or villains by their opposition, those who aren't should find a new job, but after all is said and done the raw data doesn't lie and has no agenda, it's just there for all to see.
To answer your "why not?"....Because atmospheric convection will transport "your" pollution laden air to somewhere else and replace it with someone else's clean air. Neither party has control over the transaction, if you cannot control your own assets, can they really be considered yours? No.
Can one entity declare control over community assets? No. (Unless you are the US military of course)
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 05, 2012
people who are scared of the coming changes that the data represents.

Is that why Mann et al had to hide their data and their analysis methods?
atmospheric convection will transport "your" pollution laden air to somewhere else

Then you track down the polluter and sue them for violating your property rights. It works for riparian pollution and has worked to shut down dairy farms and feedlots that stink.
if you cannot control your own assets, can they really be considered yours? No.

That's correct and this is Mises' basis for socialism, state control of your property.
MarkyMark
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 07, 2012
Im suprised a certain date wasant mentioned as proof by the teatards here (1998 i think ) as they seem to love rehashing tired old discredited arguments such as the old " did you know H2O is the most abunda-bla bla bla" (fingers in ears mentality).

Sort of on topic yes i too have noticed a general trend in recent decades.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 07, 2012
"Water Vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere,"
http://www.ncdc.n...ses.html
Callippo
1 / 5 (1) Jan 07, 2012
It depends on the concentration of water vapor. When the vapor condenses into droplets, it's clouds become the most effective reflector of solar radiation instead.
Skepticus_Rex
1.4 / 5 (9) Jan 07, 2012
That depends almost wholly on the types of clouds. Some actually help retain heat and reflect it back to the surface rather than allowing it to radiate into space. This is the case even on earth.

The conditions on Venus are exacerbated by thick clouds in addition to atmospheric heating by adiabatic compression as a result of the density of the Venusian atmosphere at over 90 times Earth atmospheric density.
Vendicar_Decarian
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 08, 2012
The atmosphere of Venus is in rough thermal equilibrium and any heat from the "compression" of it's atmosphere was radiated away several billion years ago.

What is left is pressure and pressure <> heat.

"The conditions on Venus are exacerbated by thick clouds in addition to atmospheric heating by adiabatic compression as a result of the density of the Venusian atmosphere at over 90 times Earth atmospheric density." - Rex
Vendicar_Decarian
4.1 / 5 (9) Jan 08, 2012
""Water Vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere,"" - RyggTard

And water is the most abundant compound in the human body. That fact does not stop people from drowning in it.

You poor, ignorant Libertarian Tard.
Vendicar_Decarian
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 08, 2012
You are obviously referring to the methods that the National Academy of Science reviewed and vindicated.

"Is that why Mann et al had to hide their data and their analysis methods?" - RyggTard

You poor Libertarian Tard.
Vendicar_Decarian
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 08, 2012
"Then you track down the polluter and sue them for violating your property rights." - RyggTard

The Oil Industry like the Tobacco industry can afford to pay a battery of lawyers for decades to block court decisions for decades.

Individuals seldom have pockets that are so deep.

Libertarian/Randites such as yourself don't live in a reality based community.

Can you explain to us why your anti-welfare hero - Ayn Rand - chose to become a welfare queen?

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