Get ready for climate change, says UN panel

Nov 16, 2011 by Marlowe Hood
The eyes and nose of a tiger sculpture are seen in the flood waters in Bangkok on November 7. The toll from ever-more intense floods, drought, and heatwaves will crescendo this century unless humanity anticipates the onslaught, according to a UN report set to be unveiled on Friday.

The toll from ever-more intense floods, drought, and heatwaves will crescendo this century unless humanity anticipates the onslaught, according to a UN report set to be unveiled on Friday.

In an 800-page assessment, the Nobel-winning (IPCC) says global warming will magnify the frequence and force of extreme weather events, and defences must be prepared now to avoid worse misery in the future.

"The character and severity of impacts ... depends not only on the extremes themselves but also on vulnerability and exposure," notes a draft "summary for policymakers" obtained by AFP.

The 20-page document is being vetting this week at a meeting of the 194-nation body in Kampala, Uganda.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon drove home the "be prepared" message at a climate forum in Dhaka on Monday.

" need not cause human catastrophe," he said. "There are many cost-effective remedies that communities and countries can take to reduce the impact of extreme weather events."

A local resident holds an umbrella while a giant wave hits the shore in Taiwan in 2002. The toll from ever-more intense floods, drought, and heatwaves will crescendo this century unless humanity anticipates the onslaught, according to a UN report set to be unveiled on Friday.

with scant margin for manoeuvre will be hit first and hardest.

But the 2003 that killed 70,000 in Europe and Hurricane Katrina's flooding of New Orleans are deadly reminders that rich countries must brace for impacts too.

And beyond a certain threshold, the report cautions, all efforts to adapt may be overwhelmed unless the underlying that drive global warming are held in check.

Three years in the making, the special report -- based on thousands of peer-reviewed scientific articles -- is the IPCC's first dedicated probe of the nexus of and .

It is also the first time the panel has woven and risk management into a single analysis.

Since the IPCC issued its inaugural assessment in 1990, "historically distinct research communities" have worked independently and produced separate reports.

That segregation was probably a mistake, experts on both sides of the divide told AFP.

"Disaster specialists have a world of experience that should be an essential baseline for adaptation to future climate change," said Tom Downing, head of the Global Climate Adaptation Partnership in Oxford and a veteran of the IPCC process.

"It is encouraging to see the IPCC take forward this integration in a groundbreaking assessment."

"One of the key take-home messages of this report is the emphasis on exposure and vulnerability," agreed Will Steffen, head of the Australian National University's Climate Change Institute.

"Science is only part of the puzzle here. The others have to do with people's resilience and adaptability."

Neville Nicholls, a professor at Monash University in Melborne and a lead author of the pure-science chapter on how climate change affects weather, said the collaboration "strengthened us both."

"It has made the scientists focus a lot more on what the risk community really needs, and the disaster risk community have a better idea of what we can -- and can't -- give them," he said by phone.

The change in tack follows several reputation-damaging mistakes uncovered in the IPCC's landmark Fourth Assessment Report in 2007.

Most of the errors, including a wildly inaccurate estimate of the pace of glacier melt-off in the Himalayas, stem in part from poor coordination between these communities, IPCC scientists acknowledge.

The new, solution-oriented report, identifies relatively easy and cheap "low-regret" actions such as early warning systems in areas likely to be hit by deadly heatwaves or flooding.

Improved building codes and forecasting capacity could likewise help save lives in cyclone-prone regions.

But the longer such measures are put off the more costly or ineffective they become, it cautions.

Many adaptation schemes have already been put in place, especially at the local level.

Newly-planted mangrove forests in Vietnam, Cambodia and Myanmar help break the destructive force of cyclones jacked up by warmer and rising seas. And new heat-resistant strains of corn, rice and beans could save thousands of lives.

More than 350 million worldwide people face a "perfect storm" of conditions for potential food disaster, according to the Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research (CGIAR).

Sometimes there may be not "options" at all -- citizens of several small island states face permanent relocation due to rising seas, the report said.

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Vendicar_Decarian
3.8 / 5 (17) Nov 16, 2011
There has definitely been a reduction in Denialist BullCrap since the Denialist Koch brothers managed to fund their own independent review of the climate data and found that the IPCC science was "excellent" and with their own analysis meshing almost exactly with that summarized by the IPCC.

ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (20) Nov 16, 2011
When has the climate stopped changing?
Just 12,000 years VDs country was covered by a sheet of ice.
Is VD happy the climate changed so he doesn't have to live on a glacier?
Do you think Koch Ind. had anything to do with melting those glaciers?
Howhot
3.4 / 5 (12) Nov 16, 2011
I think R2 has finally realized we are not bull shitting him. This Global Warming is real and need immediate intervention by we the people. Besides, Koch is evil and don't deserve any support from people that understand issues.

ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (23) Nov 16, 2011
I just said the climate has been warming for 12,000 years and million of Canadians are very happy about that, eh?

Hottie and the AGWites are BSing about the cause to justify their socialist 'solution'.

I, and millions of others do understand the issues quite well. Socialism and socialists kill.
rubberman
3.3 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2011
If the climate had been warming for the last 12,000 years the way it has for the last 150, we'd be living on Venus....RYGGTARD
Vendicar_Decarian
3 / 5 (8) Nov 17, 2011
"Just 12,000 years VDs country was covered by a sheet of ice." - RyggTard

More like 14,000. Changes in the earths orbital and rotational parameters caused the exit from the last ice age at that time.

Such changes are not responsible for the rapid warming the earth is experiencing now. The Koch Brothers funded "BEST" analysis estimates that the warming was 0.14'C over the last decade, primarily as the result of increased levels of atmospheric CO2.

Vendicar_Decarian
2.9 / 5 (8) Nov 17, 2011
That is right Libertarian Boy. Nature is a giant socialist conspiracy.

Capitulate or continue to live the Libertarian Tard Boy Fantasy and die.

"I, and millions of others do understand the issues quite well. Socialism and socialists kill." - RyggTard
omatumr
1.5 / 5 (16) Nov 17, 2011
Science or Propaganda?

Another Ice Age, Time Magazine US (Monday, June 24, 1974): www.time.com/time...,00.html

In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have..."


With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
investigator for Apollo
http://www.omatumr.com/
ryggesogn2
2.3 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2011
If the climate had been warming for the last 12,000 years the way it has for the last 150, we'd be living on Venus....RYGGTARD

It has not warmed much in the past 150 years. Not as much as the AGWite models predicted. Or any more than during the MWP.
What has been the retrodictive performance of the UN IPCC on climate?
BTW, Venus is CLOSER to the sun so its solar constant is twice that of the earth's.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2011
Given the heat of fusion of water, the energy required to melt ice, and given the thickness of the glaciers 12,000 years ago, it must have taken a significant amount of energy to melt so quickly.
ryggesogn2
2.2 / 5 (13) Nov 17, 2011
"North America around 8,000-5,000 14C years ago. Most of the Holocene was slightly warmer than at present, "
http://www.esd.or...ICA.html
Notice North American climate has changed significantly in the past. Do AGWites want a return of the glaciers?
Howhot
3.7 / 5 (7) Nov 17, 2011
"I, and millions of others do understand the issues quite well. Socialism and socialists kill."

Dang R2, your hot air is about enough to melt the ice polar ice caps on Mars! You must have the screwiest idea of political affiliation. I've choosen my politics because they seem to make logical sense, and provide a process of governance that, to me, seems to improve the human condition. Your attitude as I read is, to some how use socialism as ridicule and then attribute that label to everyone. Sound just like a Rush Limpballs fan.

You know, if you don't want to pay taxes, resign your citizenship and move to Somalia. I here it's always sunny there.

ryggesogn2
2.1 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2011
I've choosen my politics because they seem to make logical sense,

Ganging up and stealing from your neighbors is logical sense for some. Trouble is when your neighbors get tired of having their property stolen, they organize a bigger gang and steal your property. But you can't really complain as that is the logic of your system.
Now if the purpose of a system of govt is to protect EVERYONE'S property from theft, from any individual or gang, then how can that govt logically begin stealing property without violating its charter? It cannot.
I use socialism to describe someone's political views, state control of private property.
So hottie, do you believe the govt should protect everyone's property rights and must not redistribute wealth?

ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (12) Nov 17, 2011
It's too bad the IPCC wasted so much time trying to tax the world instead of promoting adaptation to changing climates from the beginning. But then people like Al Gore wouldn't have become so wealthy and other's wouldn't have their lucrative research jobs.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 17, 2011
"The change in tack follows several reputation-damaging mistakes uncovered in the IPCC's landmark Fourth Assessment Report in 2007.

Most of the errors, including a wildly inaccurate estimate of the pace of glacier melt-off in the Himalayas, stem in part from poor coordination between these communities, IPCC scientists acknowledge."
The losers here are the reputation of science and the AGWite agenda.

For those who hate Koch Ind for funding climate research, consider they may be interested in understanding future climate changes for strategic planning so they can stay in business by meeting the needs of their customers, creating jobs and making a profit.
Howhot
4.4 / 5 (7) Nov 17, 2011
R2, "So hottie, do you believe the govt should protect everyone's property rights and must not redistribute wealth?"

No I don't. Government is made by us through agreed upon rules; laws actually. In the system of the universe, no one really owns property; I claim the atoms that make up my body to be me, but do I really own my back yard? Not really. It's by social arrangements; laws, hard-work, and agreements between people that I have this property.

This is why it is so important to elect representatives that care about you and your positions. We are social creatures and we need structure.

ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 17, 2011
no one really owns property

So making laws that allows your neighbor to plunder your backyard is ok?
The first property you own is yourself. Next is the property you create, acquire and defend by yourself by expending energy and doing work.
Individuals like yourself can chose to work together creating laws that mutually defend yourselves and your property.
But if those laws are somehow perverted which enable a majority to plunder the property of a few, those laws are called legal plunder, aka socialism.
That is precisely what AGWite propose, legal plunder.
"A 1998 letter, signed by Lay and a few other bigwigs asked President Clinton, in essence, to harm the reputations and credibility of scientists who argued that global warming was an overblown issue, because these individuals were standing in Enron's way. The letter, dated Sept. 1, asked the president to shut off the public scientific debate on global warming, which continues to this date."http://www.distur...z/module
Howhot
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 17, 2011
"But then people like Al Gore wouldn't have become so wealthy and other's wouldn't have their lucrative research jobs."

R2, please show me one of those "lucrative research jobs". You imply researchers are just rolling in the dough, and that Al Gore made all his wealth from global warming.

Well there is good news for you. Al Gore is very good human being trying to do something good for people. Unlike you who seems to be hell bent on the idea that if people don't think like you are ______.

ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 17, 2011
Hottie, how do you like being a useful idiot for Ken Lay and Enron?
"Enron discovered a way to make money from AGW in 1997, and the corporate world has been supporting it ever since. Naturally every government in the world and their connected science bodies (like the Royal Society) have followed suit in addition to every media outlet on earth spreading propaganda on a huge scale. The argument promoted below is simply that big finance will promote AGW irrespective of the science because it is in their interests. It isn't a conspiracy, just business. "
"To capitalize on Al Gores interest in global warming, Enron immediately embarked on a massive lobbying effort to develop a trading system for carbon dioxide, working both the Clinton administration and Congress. Political contributions and Enron-funded analyses flowed freely, "
http://homepage.n...ness.htm
Howhot
4.4 / 5 (7) Nov 17, 2011
ZOMBIE ALERT! Opps false alarm, its just R2. This is the problem with the right wing party right now. They have lost sight of what it is to be American; the hardworking laborer, the farmer, the scientist and inventor. Somehow, the rightwing has learned they can't win an argument, so they make crap up.

Like scientists are making up global warming? Bull shit R2.

If you believe that, why are you here? Why are you posting on pysorg about something that is made up that you don't believe?
Somehow it effects your life or else you would not be here.

So come clean. How much did Mr. Koch pay you to be here?

FrankHerbert
1.3 / 5 (55) Nov 17, 2011
Marjon, taxes aren't theft. Sorry, you don't get to redefine words.

Hottie, how do you like being a useful idiot for Ken Lay and Enron?


LOL, the poster boys of deregulation-for-personal-profit? Keep projecting marjon.
omatumr
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 17, 2011
The eyes and nose of a tiger sculpture are seen in the flood waters"


What happened to the drowning polar bear?

See: "Global Warming: A Lie Aimed At Destroying Civilization"

www.21stcenturysc...view.pdf
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 17, 2011
"Enrons Climate Change
Principles:
Lack of scientific certainty does not
justify inaction."
http://climateaud...ange.pdf
"Al Gore, the former US vice president, could become the world's first carbon billionaire after investing heavily in green energy companies."
http://www.telegr...ire.html
Gore, what a humanitarian!
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (9) Nov 17, 2011
Marjon, taxes aren't theft. Sorry, you don't get to redefine words.


Depends upon what is taxed, why it is taxed and what the tax is for.
Why isn't the death tax pure plunder?
Howhot
4 / 5 (4) Nov 17, 2011
Dude, R2 my friend, you have been so shnookered (propagandized) that you believe that Enron, Kin Lay and Al Gore somehow created CO2 cap and trade? Enron was belly up long before Cap-and-trade. So BS R2.
Howhot
4 / 5 (4) Nov 17, 2011
"Why isn't the death tax pure plunder?" In your case, giving all your wealth to the people would be poetic justice.
jsdarkdestruction
1 / 5 (3) Nov 20, 2011
Oliver Manuel's recent efforts to plaster Physorg.com and other public news sites with his theories and personal URLs are a bit puzzling, as scientists have a variety of publications available to communicate directly to each other in. My best guess is that he is desperately trying to prop up his legacy in light of his arrest in his university office on 7 charges of rape and sodomy based on allegations by 4 of his own children. The charges have been reduced to one count of felony attempted sodomy, not necessarily because of his innocence, but because of the statute of limitations. One can only guess how the recent charges and decades of family strife have affected his ability to reason rationally and to remain objective while defending his unpopular theories.

http://mominer.ms...hildren/

http://www.mshp.d...mp;first
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Nov 20, 2011
"Why isn't the death tax pure plunder?" In your case, giving all your wealth to the people would be poetic justice.

Taxes are confiscated, or plundered, by the state.
Philanthropy is not.

Enron supported Kyoto. Al Gore became wealthy on carbon credits.

"According to internal Enron documents and the recollections of former employees, Chairman Kenneth L. Lay had the ear of top Democrats in the 1980s and '90s. He and his colleagues used that access to promote the company's interests with the Clinton administration and key congressional Democrats."
"Lay urged President Clinton and Vice President Gore to back a "market-based" approach to the problem of global warming "
"Lay, one of 25 business executives on Clinton's Council on Sustainable Development"
http://www.washin...und=true
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Nov 20, 2011
"The Clinton administration's interest in an international agreement to combat global warming also dovetailed with Enron's business plans. Enron officials envisioned the company at the center of a new trading system, in which industries worldwide could buy and sell credits to emit carbon dioxide as part of a strategy to reduce greenhouse gases. Such a system would curtail the use of inefficient coal-fired power plants that emitted large amounts of carbon dioxide, while encouraging new investments in gas-fired plants and pipelines -- precisely Enron's line of business."
http://www.washin...und=true

"The multinational BP has challenged the Australian Government to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change. "
"British Petroleum is one of the world's biggest energy companies, and has invested large amounts of money in alternative energy sources, like wind and solar.
http://www.abc.ne...0744.htm
Sigh
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 20, 2011
no one really owns property

So making laws that allows your neighbor to plunder your backyard is ok?

Your allegation is a strawman. Howhot merely pointed out that property is a social convention. If you want to learn more about when that convention makes sense, try Herbert Gintis: http://www.umass....erty.pdf

The first property you own is yourself.

I agree. Do you agree that if someone poisons the air I breathe, that is a violation of my property rights?

Next is the property you create, acquire and defend by yourself by expending energy and doing work.

And much of that property is under threat from global warming. The attempts to get that under control is a campaign to protect property rights. You're just sore because you haven't got a free-market solution.

And you never answered whether you really think that perceived costs should influence what beliefs you adopt.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Nov 20, 2011
Howhot merely pointed out that property is a social convention.

And that social convention has led to liberty and prosperity around the world.
Do you agree that if someone poisons the air I breathe, that is a violation of my property rights?

Sure. So why has the 'social convention' failed to protect your rights?
Do you agree that if someone poisons the air I breathe, that is a violation of my property rights?

Based upon what real data and what is the treat?

Free market solutions have not even been considered by AGWites.

The only effective solutions are based upon free market principles and property rights.
Examples abound. Socialists states have the most significant pollutions sites around the world. Even in the USA, federal and state govts have allowed and enabled significant pollution.
Love Canal is classic. Rocky Flats, CO.
If you live downwind from a coal fired plant spewing radioactivity, why can't you easily sue them for damages?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (3) Nov 20, 2011
What happens when 'social convention' attempts to violate fundamental economic laws:
"But five years later the green future looks a long way off. Faced with the need to cut its budget deficit, the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year. The government now plans to transfer the financial burden to households and industrial consumers in order to secure the funds for wind power and try to attract private sector investment." http://www.reuter...20111116
Wish in one hand, crap in the other. See which one gets filled first.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (4) Nov 20, 2011
"In a withering assault on the onshore wind turbine industry, the Duke said the farms were a disgrace.

He also criticised the industrys reliance on subsidies from electricity customers, claimed wind farms would never work and accused people who support them of believing in a fairy tale. "
"It emerged last year that electricity customers are paying an average of £90 a year to subsidise wind farms and other forms of renewable energy as part of a government scheme to meet carbon-reduction targets. "
http://www.telegr...uke.html
What company makes wind turbines? General Electric. Whose CEO works for Obama? GE's. How much corporate tax did GE pay? Zero.
How is this 'social convention' ( a form of socialism) working for 'the people'?
Sigh
5 / 5 (3) Nov 20, 2011
Sure. So why has the 'social convention' failed to protect your rights?

I guess because people who profit from the externality claim there is no problem, and too many people believe them.
Do you agree that if someone poisons the air I breathe, that is a violation of my property rights?

Based upon what real data and what is the treat?

How about Bhopal?

Free market solutions have not even been considered by AGWites.

You did not read the reference I gave you that proves you wrong? But usually the trouble is that free market enthusiasts deny any problem instead of offering solutions. You too.

How is this 'social convention' (a form of socialism)

A social convention is an agreement, formal or informal, among people. A contract is one such agreement. I didn't know that was socialism.

Will you ever answer whether you choose your beliefs based on perceived costs?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Nov 20, 2011
Free markets are social agreements of the first order in that all participants are volunteers and are not coerced.
"No single tool will solve all environmental problems. But one powerful tool--the market--has been neglected by environmentalists in recent years. The Thoreau Institute is a free-market environmental group not because it believes that markets are a panacea for all problems--they aren't--but because Institute research has found that markets will solve many environmental problems better than more government regulation. These frequently-asked questions about free-market environmentalism will help explain these ideas."
http://www.ti.org/faqs.html
You did not read the reference I gave you that proves you wrong?

Yes, did you? "it is likely
that private property in the fruits of ones labor existed for as long as humans lived
in small hunter-gatherer clans,"
The next level is a mutual, enforceable agreements to define more elaborate private property rights.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Nov 20, 2011
Bhopol was creation of the Indian govt:
"The Indian government had its heavy hand on every aspect of the Bhopal plant, from its design and construction to its eventual operation. Initially, the facility merely imported raw pesticides, such as one called Sevin, and then diluted, packaged and shipped them. This was a relatively safe and simple operation. But, in accordance with industrial policy, Union Carbide was under constant pressure from the government to cut imports and reduce the loss of foreign exchange. "
"What had begun as a Carbide subsidiary for packaging pesticides was now a government-directed business manufacturing and storing a deadly chemical in a technologically backward culture.

Those were not business decisions. Those were political decisions. . . . "
http://www.politi...;t=93977
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Nov 20, 2011
"But in 1975 the local government, in a re-zoning scheme, encouraged thousands of Indians to settle near the plant by giving them construction loans and other inducements. In effect, government first helped to make the plant unsafe, and then drew the people into the path of the coming gas cloud.

Add to all this the fact that after the plant was opened, the technologically trained Americans who built and ran it were sent packing and were replaced by under-educated localsmost of them friends, relatives, and cronies of local officials. They allowed operations to continue despite the fact that all five redundant safety systems had been broken for months"
"The Bhopal disaster was not the result of American capitalism: no American capitalists were permitted to be present at or in control of the plant. The gas leak was instead the result of technology decisions and subsidies directed by politicians."
http://meinwords....t-facts/
Sigh
5 / 5 (1) Nov 21, 2011
http://www.ti.org/faqs.html

Interesting source. Thank you. Here is another quote from there: "Treating environmentalists as threats will have the effect of polarizing them into an anti-libertarian stance." That is what you do, even to the point where you misinterpret plain comments as attacks. You seem to take the slightest disagreement with you as a sign of socialism, and then you seem to think you must attack everything that person says. In claiming that social conventions are socialism, you even managed to redefine property rights as socialism. Got a bit carried away?
"it is likely that private property in the fruits of ones labor existed for as long as humans lived in small hunter-gatherer clans,"

To a first approximation, yes, but you must find out more about egalitarianism in hunter-gatherer societies. I think, by your definition, they are socialist.

And do remember to say whether you choose your beliefs based on perceived costs.
_nigmatic10
1 / 5 (3) Nov 21, 2011
Grats to all the scientist for figuring out the climate changes, and politicizing it to fund further studies. Please continue beating the drums of the alarmists.
bluehigh
1 / 5 (3) Nov 21, 2011
Maybe Taxation is not theft within the strictest definition of the word theft. Taxation though is certainly Robbery (taking personal property of another without permission or consent by force) and is only not a crime because a big armed gang called government says so. Taxation is immoral, unethical and just as obscene as governments making a profit that they euphemistically call a surplus. Scumbags.
Sigh
not rated yet Nov 21, 2011
Grats to all the scientist for figuring out the climate changes, and politicizing it to fund further studies. Please continue beating the drums of the alarmists.

Do you realise that, according to the logic of this universal denial argument (all scientists' warnings are supposed to be motivated by the wish for more grant money, as if that was the way to get rich), the Newfoundland cod fishery never collapsed, there is no ozone hole, the great auk is fine, there are plenty of passenger pigeons and Tasmanian tigers, thalidomide is perfectly safe for pregnant women, and dumping mercury waste in fishing grounds has no health risks.

If you want your claim to be more than a just-so-story, you have to back it up with data. Do you have any?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Nov 21, 2011
Who has validated and accredited the climate models used to predict the disasters claimed by AGEites?
Obviously no one since both the UK and US have publicly stated they need more long term, calibrated radiometric data from on-orbit, traceable radiometers to validate their radiative transfer models.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Nov 21, 2011
"Even though the catch had been declared and the boat had a tuna permit, the rules do not allow fishermen to catch bluefin tuna in a net.

They said it had to be caught with rod and reel, a frustrated Rafael said.We didn't try to hide anything. We did everything by the book. Nobody ever told me we couldn't catch it with a net.

In any case, after being towed for more than two hours in the net, the fish was already dead when the Apollo hauled back its gear, he said.

What are we supposed to do? he asked. They said they were going to give me a warn­ing, Rafael said. I think I'm going to surrender all my tuna permits now. What good are they if I can't catch them"
http://www.capeco...1/NEWS01
See how well govt manages natural resources.
Next time a tuna is caught in his net, I bet he dumps the fish back in the ocean, keeps it for himself or sells it on the black market.
Howhot
5 / 5 (1) Nov 21, 2011
Ad By Newt Gingrich On Why Child Labor Laws Are Stupid!!

R2. "Who has validated and accredited the climate models used to predict the disasters claimed by AGEites?" I'm one that has. Anyone that can read can validate these models. They are validated by the weather. They are validated by observations, lots and lots of validations. R2 you are fooling yourself man.

You, like my brother, have been so brainwashed by rightwing shit points that obvious is no longer obvious. The right wing has be taken over by dumb mofos man. Change parties.

Howhot
5 / 5 (1) Nov 21, 2011
Oh, for all those that are following this debate, do go the wikipedia website an lookup Enron. R2, deserves some credit for pointing out the fact that when Enron was a successful company it was during the Clinton time period. R2 implies there was a connection between Clinton, Enron, and Kyoto accords. BS.

Its madeup rightwing BS crap. Through it out there and see what sticks. That is what it is R2.

Having said that, if you haven't a clue what Enron was all about, it's a fascinating piece of history about the biggest bankruptcy in history until 2008.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Nov 21, 2011
Hottie has spoken! All other facts from expert researchers don't matter (unless it supports his fantasies of AGW).
Howhot
5 / 5 (1) Nov 22, 2011
R2 my friend; reality is reality. The gigatons of CO2 we are dumping into out 5 mile thin bubble of air we live on... It can't take it.

ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Nov 22, 2011
R2 my friend; reality is reality. The gigatons of CO2 we are dumping into out 5 mile thin bubble of air we live on... It can't take it.


So sayeth Hottie! All praise Hottie....
Howhot
5 / 5 (1) Nov 24, 2011
You have my knod and wink so saith the great one. "global warming will magnify the frequence and force of extreme weather events, and defences must be prepared now to avoid worse misery in the future."

Thats about it.