Mars explorers will include women, experts say
November 11, 2011 by Kerry Sheridan
The reflection from the visor of a Chinese astronaut suit on display shows the interior of the space museum in Beijing in 2010. Men walked on the Moon, but women will be among the pioneering explorers who someday step foot on Mars, said a gathering of top female space experts this week.
Men walked on the Moon, but women will be among the pioneering explorers who someday step foot on Mars, said a gathering of top female space experts this week.
Plenty has changed since Neil Armstrong and 11 male successors left their footprints on the Moon from 1969 to 1972, but lingering stereotypes still harm young girls and not enough women reach the upper levels of planetary science, they said.
Some of the leading women at NASA, Lockheed Martin, SpaceX and other organizations came together for a two-day meeting in the nation's capital to discuss their work, how they made it and how the next generation can, too.
"We should tell more girls that this is not a male world," said organizer Artemis Westenberg, president of the education and lobbying group Explore Mars.
Of the 350 women in the United States with doctorates in planetary science, only 39 are employed at NASA, according to Susan Niebur, a US space agency mission consultant and founder of Women in Planetary Science.
"I wonder, where are the other women and what amazing science explorations might they have proposed?" she said. "We are still losing a lot of women in the pipeline."
Some women have made it onto the management teams of recent Mars projects, but in small numbers, according to an analysis presented by Linda Billings, a research professor at George Washington University.
A picture released by NASA shows an artwork produced for NASA by US artist Pat Rowlings depicting a female astronaut of the future looking for rocks on the "red planet" during a 21st century space mission to Mars.
For instance, the management of the 1997 Mars Pathfinder project had seven men and one woman; the 2004 Mars Exploration Rover project had two women and eight men; and two women are among 13 male "key team members" of the Mars Science Laboratory set to launch later this month.Those who have made it have faced obstacles, ranging from trying to maneuver in spacesuits designed for men who are six feet (1.8 meter) tall to facing blunt cultural biases about the role of women.
Astronaut Cady Coleman, a veteran of two shuttle missions who has lived aboard the International Space Station with male colleagues for six months, shared her frustration at constantly being asked, by media and others, if she missed her family back on Earth.
"People would say 'How does it feel to be away from your son during all this time?' And part of me wants to say, 'Do you ask the guys these questions?' Because they actually don't, and it is wrong for two reasons:
"One, the guys miss their kids and their spouses just as much; and two, we are doing this because we think the work that we do is important."
When a male guest in the audience rose to ask her how female astronauts managed their menstrual periods in space, Coleman did not flinch, explaining that she had had surgery and was past those days.
"But it is actually a valid question for just different cultural things," she said.
"The Russians are convinced that women on their cycle are going to ruin the toilet," she said. "We have the exact same toilet on the US side (of the space station). Turns out, we can use it," she said with a laugh.
Following their passions, learning to ignore biases and keeping focused on studying are key parts of their journey to top posts at NASA and beyond, the speakers said.
"We have to encourage our girls to work really hard. This is hard stuff and you have got to be prepared," said Sandy Coleman, director NASA exploration programs.
Women who are already working on the next Mars missions shared their research, from designing the spacecraft to devising science experiments to studying how to protect astronauts' health from bone loss and radiation during long-distance missions.
"It is not a question of who is better, faster, smarter," said Saralyn Mark, NASA chief health and medical officer. "What we have learned over the years is how to do specific countermeasures to protect the health of both men and women."
Mark also lamented the absence of women in a 520-day Mars simulation experiment that ended earlier this month and included six men -- one Chinese, one Italian, one Frenchman and three Russians -- camped in a Moscow parking lot.
"To some of our Russian colleagues, I think it was a fascinating experiment but it would have been more valuable to have both men and women. That is something that needs to be seriously considered."
Since Mars is 150 times further away from the Earth than the Moon, any trip there and back is likely to take a full year and a half.
The first human exploration mission, perhaps to one of Mars' two moons, may happen by 2033, said Linda Karanian, Lockheed Martin director of human space flight operations, though the crew is far from being selected yet.
"Eleven- and twelve-year-olds are probably where you want to start capturing the interest and the enthusiasm," said Karanian. "There is going to be a select few."
Despite challenges that may remain, the days when women were excluded from space exploration are over, said Colleen Hartman, NASA assistant associate administrator, science mission directorate.
"Men went to the Moon but everyone will be going to Mars."
(c) 2011 AFP
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No facilities to accommodate a baby, although it would be interesting to find out the gestation period in outer space and effects on an embryo and foetus.
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As for studying pregnancy in space, the first step would be to send some rats to the ISS. The results would be available much quicker, and if they weren't successful, humans probably wouldn't do any better.
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Good idea, I haven't heard of that but it seems like something that should have already been done. We've been scraping for experiments for years.
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Since the ones to actually go will likely be chosen to have already been through menopause this will not be a problem.
Older people are better.
a) You will want to have people who will not plan on reproducing anymore since radiation on that trip will likely induce sterility
b) Older people have slower cell division (which will decrease the chance of radiation inducing cancers - or at the very least delay onset)
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That was my first thought.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a half-intentional, unspoken outcome.
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I'm curious what makes you think this would be the case? Average age at mission acceptance, per NASA is 36. NIH says 51 is average age for menopause, though it ranges from mid-forties up to early 60s. Add to that the fact that these are exceptionally healthy specimens we're talking about and it's not unreasonable to expect a late menopause.
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Although ya know, after 6 months of no sex in a tin can, so to speak, at least SOME of the guys might decide that them gals aren't so bad after all. You know, like sailors out at sea for 6 months; how they act when their ship hits port. They'll find the ugliest looking females in a bar and treat them like a queen. LOL
Nov 12, 2011
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Yes, it would be interesting to see rat babies being born, as long as someone's there to take care of them. But now, with our heavy dependence on Russians to ferry astronauts to and from ISS, things are getting a bit iffy. How reliable is the Russian space program?
Nov 12, 2011
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I took this info from a panel discussion with an ex astronaut (Thomas Reiter) on the future of space exploration (return to the Moon, Mars and beyond).
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Anyway, I think it would be a better decision to send a crew of just women. Probably less likely to become violent over the course of the journey. Require less food, less weight, etc. Lots of good reason to keep the boys off the trip. But I think it would be easier to find men willing to take the risk of a trip to Mars anyway.
Nov 12, 2011
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"Good reason to keep the boys off the trip"?? BOYS?? Now WHO is the sexist?
Nov 13, 2011
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Or that men and women are, in fact, different--despite the wet dreams of our enlightened progressives.
Nov 13, 2011
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Why don't you ask the women about that idea. Turns out it's mostly women who don't want to work with women.
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By nature these guys and girls are a bit less emotional and more full in control of themselves over long periods of time. So we shouldn't worry too much.
And even if we send young astronauts: if anything does happen we'll just pack the pharmacy with a couple of RU 486.
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I'd be curious then where he got his info. It seems to be out-of-line with the existing NASA selection process. Maybe it was just his opinion.
Of course, mandatory sterilization of all the males (easier of the two) would solve the whole problem. Because, let's face it, sex is not really an "option" for most people.
LOL, I've reconsidered and the above sentence should say "...sex is not really an "option" for most MALES.
Nov 15, 2011
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I can't really say.
I did find some info on when he said it, though: It was a press conference and subsequent panel discusion held on January 2007. Right after his return from the Astrolab mission on the ISS.
Other members of the panel were:
- Jeffrey Williams and Michael Lopez-Alegria (NASA astronauts) - Pavel Vinogradov ans Michail Tyurin (Russian cosmonauts)
- Bob Chesson (head of manned spaceflight division at ESA)
Since the comment didn't lead to any controversy among the people present I'd hazard that this was more than just opinion. But unless I go ask him I can't really say for sure.
Nov 15, 2011
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OK, thanks. This is an interesting topic. And sooner or later -- let's hope sooner -- we will have to be putting a good deal of thought into the arrangements on these missions. Also, I agree with your earlier point about more scientist = less testosterone. This will likely help. But, long term we need a realistic solution, as with luck we'll be going out past Mars. Even with improved propulsion, we're still talking many months to years in travel time. The military co-ed situation is rife with stories of unintended pregnancies.
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Let's get some decent AI going and send that. Seems a much less ambitious (and more realistic and useful) way to go.
Nov 15, 2011
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I agree entirely. Robotics and teleoperation has advanced enormously. And it's the perfect way to explore the dark, cold depths of deep space. Let the humans go once something really interesting is found. And, once our tech is better.