Climate sensitivity to CO2 more limited than extreme projections: research
A new study suggests that the rate of global warming from doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide may be less than the most dire estimates of some previous studies – and, in fact, may be less severe than projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report in 2007.
Authors of the study, which was funded by the National Science Foundation and published online this week in the journal Science, say that global warming is real and that increases in atmospheric CO2 will have multiple serious impacts.
However, the most Draconian projections of temperature increases from the doubling of CO2 are unlikely.
"Many previous climate sensitivity studies have looked at the past only from 1850 through today, and not fully integrated paleoclimate date, especially on a global scale," said Andreas Schmittner, an Oregon State University researcher and lead author on the Science article. "When you reconstruct sea and land surface temperatures from the peak of the last Ice Age 21,000 years ago – which is referred to as the Last Glacial Maximum – and compare it with climate model simulations of that period, you get a much different picture.
"If these paleoclimatic constraints apply to the future, as predicted by our model, the results imply less probability of extreme climatic change than previously thought," Schmittner added.
Scientists have struggled for years trying to quantify "climate sensitivity" – which is how the Earth will respond to projected increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. The 2007 IPCC report estimated that the air near the surface of the Earth would warm on average by 2 to 4.5 degrees (Celsius) with a doubling of atmospheric CO2 from pre-industrial standards. The mean, or "expected value" increase in the IPCC estimates was 3.0 degrees; most climate model studies use the doubling of CO2 as a basic index.
Some previous studies have claimed the impacts could be much more severe – as much as 10 degrees or higher with a doubling of CO2 – although these projections come with an acknowledged low probability. Studies based on data going back only to 1850 are affected by large uncertainties in the effects of dust and other small particles in the air that reflect sunlight and can influence clouds, known as "aerosol forcing," or by the absorption of heat by the oceans, the researchers say.
To lower the degree of uncertainty, Schmittner and his colleagues used a climate model with more data and found that there are constraints that preclude very high levels of climate sensitivity.
The researchers compiled land and ocean surface temperature reconstructions from the Last Glacial Maximum and created a global map of those temperatures. During this time, atmospheric CO2 was about a third less than before the Industrial Revolution, and levels of methane and nitrous oxide were much lower. Because much of the northern latitudes were covered in ice and snow, sea levels were lower, the climate was drier (less precipitation), and there was more dust in the air.
All these factor, which contributed to cooling the Earth's surface, were included in their climate model simulations.
The new data changed the assessment of climate models in many ways, said Schmittner, an associate professor in OSU's College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences. The researchers' reconstruction of temperatures has greater spatial coverage and showed less cooling during the Ice Age than most previous studies.
High sensitivity climate models – more than 6 degrees – suggest that the low levels of atmospheric CO2 during the Last Glacial Maximum would result in a "runaway effect" that would have left the Earth completely ice-covered.
"Clearly, that didn't happen," Schmittner said. "Though the Earth then was covered by much more ice and snow than it is today, the ice sheets didn't extend beyond latitudes of about 40 degrees, and the tropics and subtropics were largely ice-free – except at high altitudes. These high-sensitivity models overestimate cooling."
On the other hand, models with low climate sensitivity – less than 1.3 degrees – underestimate the cooling almost everywhere at the Last Glacial Maximum, the researchers say. The closest match, with a much lower degree of uncertainty than most other studies, suggests climate sensitivity is about 2.4 degrees.
However, uncertainty levels may be underestimated because the model simulations did not take into account uncertainties arising from how cloud changes reflect sunlight, Schmittner said.
Reconstructing sea and land surface temperatures from 21,000 years ago is a complex task involving the examination of ices cores, bore holes, fossils of marine and terrestrial organisms, seafloor sediments and other factors. Sediment cores, for example, contain different biological assemblages found in different temperature regimes and can be used to infer past temperatures based on analogs in modern ocean conditions.
"When we first looked at the paleoclimatic data, I was struck by the small cooling of the ocean," Schmittner said. "On average, the ocean was only about two degrees (Celsius) cooler than it is today, yet the planet was completely different – huge ice sheets over North America and northern Europe, more sea ice and snow, different vegetation, lower sea levels and more dust in the air.
"It shows that even very small changes in the ocean's surface temperature can have an enormous impact elsewhere, particularly over land areas at mid- to high-latitudes," he added.
Schmittner said continued unabated fossil fuel use could lead to similar warming of the sea surface as reconstruction shows happened between the Last Glacial Maximum and today.
"Hence, drastic changes over land can be expected," he said. "However, our study implies that we still have time to prevent that from happening, if we make a concerted effort to change course soon."
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Nov 24, 2011
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It now appears that the AGW fable sprouted from seeds of fear - planted on 6 Aug 1945 and later nourished in a message from USSR's Khrushchev to USA's President Kennedy on 24 Oct 1962:
http://www.ibibli...jfk.html
The main issue now is finding a way to undo the damage inflicted on society from 4-5 decades of fear-based leadership:
http://dl.dropbox...ots.pdf:
http://chiefio.wo...nt-25900
Today I am grateful a Power greater than scared world leaders controls the universe!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Oliver K. Manuel
http://myprofile....anuelo09
Nov 24, 2011
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3'C by 2010 remains the most reasonable estimate provided there are no reductions in emissions.
3'C guarantees a further 3'C in future warming just based on climate inertia alone.
Nov 24, 2011
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Do any of the models take into consideration technological advancements wrt energy source and efficiency that are not currently existent, or that are inevitable, even non-linear wrt time?
Nov 24, 2011
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Nov 24, 2011
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"The closest match, with a much lower degree of uncertainty than most other studies, suggests climate sensitivity is about 2.4 degrees."
...in paragraph 14. For the mathematically challenged, this mean the climate, which has warmed 0.8°C, will warm another 0.4°C with no further CO increase. If we carry on to 540ppm CO, as seems entirely likely, that would mean another 1.6°C.
Nov 24, 2011
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Nov 24, 2011
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One: After Ice Ages, the melting waters over continents would produce many long lived shallow seas that soak up atmospheric CO2 in vast quantities and lock it up in vast BIOTA (algae/plankton) and FOSSIL forms (oil/gas/oil-shales)s.
Two: Human mass-deforestation did not apply then, so the plant kingdom was unfettered in its capacity to also quickly absorb and lock up carbon in vast land biota and coal/peat beds not 'harvested as now by humans.
Three: Open ocean biota was not subject to OVERFISHING on industrial scales like NOW, hence oceans would lock up carbon in BIOTA which FILLED the paleo-oceans to bursting then, and also accumulated in vast oceanic sediments which plate techtonics put deep under continental shelves for millennia more.
Therefore paleo-climate comparisons may be irrelevant in the present situation.
Cheers all.
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (47)
You mean the ones that Denialists claim aren't needed and shouldn't be developed?
For the last couple of decades the primary source of error in IPCC estimates has been in the estimate of the depth of Denialist Stupidity.
We now know that it is virtually infinite in extent.
Nov 24, 2011
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Tard boy didn't even read the article - which reports on research that the global temperature rise will be less than anticipated.
Proving yet again that Tard boys are, as Tard Boys do.
Nov 24, 2011
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It is. And because of that scientists have gone on to estimate how much warming will be had.
The best estimates are 3'C with an additional 3'C to follow due to climate inertia.
6'C means the desertification of most of the earth's land surface.
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (4)
or not, perhaps we're as smart or smarter than allotrope. That kind of "i'm obviously smarter than anyone else" attitude is one of the reasons we end up with major problems throughout society.
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 3.2 / 5 (19)
Spot on, mate.
And on the way to that stage there will be vastly increased rates/severity/size of storm system events and out-of-season 'intrusions' of frosts/winds/floods which will SERIOUSLY and ever-more INCESSANTLY AFFECT food and transport and general economic/insurance and give us no respite the longer this warming trend is allowed to proceed by the deniers and 'bunny-in-the-headlights' commentators supporting their stupid denial until the car runs over them, when it will be too late to take PRO-active action.
The time for clear pro-active thinking/action is NOW.
Keep up the good work, mate....ignorant wreckers must not win THIS time....there is too much at stake for humanity.
Nov 24, 2011
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Nov 24, 2011
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From the IPCC report:
"There is low confidence in any observed long-term (i.e., 40 years or more) increases in tropical cyclone activity (i.e., intensity, frequency, duration), after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.... There is medium confidence that some regions of the world have experienced more intense and longer droughts ... There is limited to medium evidence available to assess climate-driven observed changes in the magnitude and frequency of floods at regional scales because the available instrumental records of floods at gauge stations are limited in space and time, and because of confounding effects of changes in land use and engineering. Furthermore, there is low agreement in this evidence, and thus overall low confidence at the global scale regarding even the sign of these changes."
http://ipcc-wg2.g..._opt.pdf
Nov 24, 2011
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http://www.youtub...pes8EyIw
Nov 24, 2011
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he actually believes the scientific method is
"The scientific method involves observing the world, formulating a
hypothesis about it and verifying that hypothesis in the best way
possible." (Vendicar Decarian)
I informed him that the method requires that you test your hypothesis
by trying to disprove it and now he says I'm an "Idiot, retard, moron
, ignoramus"
The poor fellow doesn't realize his definition is actually the
definition for confirmation bias. Apologies again but he really
believes he must only accept research that verifies his hypothesis so
if you mention contary evidence he will call you terrible names. It's a
shame but he really is a lovely guy and is lots of fun.
He even thinks that science is a body though I explained it was a actually a method for acquiring knowledge rather than the knowledge itself. For him, suggesting the knowledge needs adjusting is an attack on science. Sorry
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 1.2 / 5 (38)
Correct. Records that extend back 40 years are largely inadequate to determine a trend. Satellite observation of the limited areas of the earth had only just begun in the 1960's, and no computerized records of observations are available from that era.
http://www.realcl...-events/
Nov 24, 2011
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Might help if you looked through the correct end of that telescope of yours.
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (44)
definition for confirmation bias." - Gregor
Yawn.
A good proof includes consideration and refutation of disproofs.
Verification of a theory includes the consideration of evidence both supporting and non-supporting of the theory.
In the case of Global Warming, all counter theories have been found to be a failure and incapable of producing the warming observed.
The science is settled.
Nov 24, 2011
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"The polar bears will be fine." - Freeman Dyson (well known Wrecker).
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 2.8 / 5 (16)
"The science is settled."
Science is never settled, that's the point. Recently a neutrino was clocked moving faster than the speed of light. The validity of a hypothesis is not dependent on the validity of alternate hypotheses. Yet again you've used a classic straw man. Did you not read the article above? Saying the science is settled is a lie no matter how many times you tell it and is yet another example of your confirmation bias. Next time you actually attend class ask your science teacher , or is he a moron too?
Nov 24, 2011
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Argumentum ad verecundiam
Nov 24, 2011
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What are you blathering about? What contrary evidence do you put forward?
Nov 24, 2011
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This historical review of the climate scandal contains links to many experimental observations and quantitative analysis that falsify AGW dogma on the origin, composition, and source of energy in the Sun that heats the Earth and sustains life in a state of continuous evolution - responding to Earth's continuously changing climate.
http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf
Nov 24, 2011
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That is Alzheimers talking boys....
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (38)
You mean prattling nonsense about Illuminati conspiracies and economic disaster doesn't count as evidence against the optical properties of CO2?
How can that be?
Nov 24, 2011
Rank: 1.2 / 5 (40)
Yup. Newton was entirely wrong.
But the validity of Newtonian mechanics is settled.
"Recently a neutrino was clocked moving faster than the speed of light." - Grigor
Unconfirmed and almost certainly probably wrong. Because the science is settled.
But you can dream.
Nov 24, 2011
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"The scientific method involves observing the world, formulating a
hypothesis about it and verifying that hypothesis in the best way
possible." (Vendicar Decarian)"
@Parsec My hypothesis is that my good friend Vendicar, and many in the IPCC. confuse the scientific method with confirmation bias.
http://en.wikiped...ion_bias
His quote from above confirms this.(He said this yesterday.) though today he seems to be backpedaling. Activists start with an agenda which they try to prove by cherry picking evidence (Ie they talk about "The Cause"). Good science is objective. It requires you try to disprove your hypothesis by testing it (ie you don't try to verify it you try to deverify it) Calling people terrible names has led to my second Hypothesis
"That Vendicar and other name callers are actually shills for big oil who are trying to drive innocent readers into the skeptic camp with bullying and bad behavior"
I haven't worked out how to test this yet though.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4.4 / 5 (5)
One: After Ice Ages, the melting waters over continents...
Problem - Oil and gas are primarily from extinction events and were deposited much further back than the last or even the last several ice ages. Melting ice can actually dissolve carbonates releasing CO2.
Two: Human mass-deforestation did not apply then,'harvested...
There have been huge rather extensive mass de-forestations, not only by ice ages (probably the most enduring), but also by fires from volcanoes and asteroid strikes that made Tunguska look like mild.
Three: Open ocean biota was not subject to OVERFISHING -
Problem - Overfishing is species specific - but doesn't actually change the standing biomass of the oceans or their relative carbon reservoirs - which are rapidly filled by non-fished species. Overfishing is increasing lower trophic level activities - algae blooms for example
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
If I'm still around during the tropical years... I might migrate to a one of the countries that make up the lion... one of them has the 2nd best standard of the OECD when it comes to caring for their children, compared to my countries shameful standard ... the second lowest.
we have children suffering from 3rd world diseases,
anyway... I'm doing other physics.
As for GW in a climate that doesn't want it... that's pointless.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4.5 / 5 (12)
Hi Dug.
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
In "One", the point was the whole vast continents were covered with meltwater that would quickly absorb whatever CO2 from ANY source, and store that in the latest sedimentary layers that would become the latest gas/oil-forming strata LATER.
In "Two", the point was the forests would have recovered all over the globe within a couple hundred years after any such NATURAL mass deforestation you mentioned....whereas the forests NOW are NOT being allowed to recover over the whole globe because of human food/housing etc expansion with increasing population.
In "Three", the point as that overfishing/pollution has produced dead zones where CO2/Methane is being produced. Also, large areas of the open ocean are virtually 'sterile' because they lack nutrients which PELAGIC FISHLIFE being industrailly harvested no longer 'fertilises in passing through' with their excrement that allowed algae etc to flourish and soak up CO2 all year round.
Cheers.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4.5 / 5 (13)
Hi StarGazer2011.
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
If you lived in Australia over the past few years you would be more 'in tune' to what is happening to the weather patterns and crops and transportation/infrastructure etc. because of severe and persistent unusual/unseasonal events 'coming together' more often and giving little respite to farming and other industries.
When one adds that to all the unusual patterns/events all over the globe in recent times, one cannot fail to grasp what we are in for if the warming and hence more turbulent mixing of atmospheric system interactions from cool poles to hotter low latitude air masses laden with much more moisture and the widespread and severe 'fronts' caused when these cool-warm air masses collide in ever more unusual places which where previously spared the 'storm patterns' that we see even there now.
See it for yourself in the news reports. More unusual patterns/storms etc.
Cheers.
.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 3.4 / 5 (5)
An extremely misleading statement considering the warming of the earth is not 100% man made.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Entirely possible, many (many!) are. The comment wasn't speaking to intelligence so much as an apparent lack of reading comprehension and a willingness to reinforce a belief structure with information that refutes it. Which, I'll grant, is not a hallmark of intelligence.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4 / 5 (37)
Yes, also, making specific future quantitative predictions and then verifying those predictions, is the only way to gauge the precision of scientific understanding. Retroactive verifications of models is not a valid substitute.
Really the issue is not the core science, it is the precision of knowledge claimed. which imo borders on scientific fraud.
Nov 25, 2011
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A truly valid model must be predictive and retrodictive.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 3.9 / 5 (41)
More ad hominem attacks from a 14 year old mentality, aka "Scott Nudds" ancient internet troll. You have nerve calling others 'tard' after making the following statements...
"12 more American terrorists were murdered in Iraq this weekend. More will soon follow them into death. The more dead americans in Iraq the better." - Vendicar_Decarian
"Three more americans died in Iraq today. Three more reasons to celebrate..." - Vendicar_Decarian
"The world needs more dead americans in Afghanastan & Iraq" - Vendicar_Decarian
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.9 / 5 (13)
How does the "Trololololololololol" feel in what used to be an intellectual forum before you hit the "sign up" button.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4.3 / 5 (11)
Nov 25, 2011
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Other aliases, Scott Douglas, Scott Nudds, VD Scotty, and VD Nudds.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (38)
They were sent to defend nothing of course. Their reason for being sent was to give Access to Iraqi oil by American oil companies.
Making the American war crime in Iraq and Iran as expensive as possible is Job #1 for any moral person.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (42)
You fail to note that I predicted every aspect of your national downfall and disgrace decades ago. Why omit that NumenTard?
And I still intend to dance on the smoldering ruins of your cities.
That time is less than a decade away, and I've already purchased my dancing shoes.
Nov 25, 2011
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Nov 25, 2011
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Excellent. The faster you eradicate your own nation the better.
It is a win, win situation for me.
Nov 25, 2011
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1: No matter how much American Conservatives and Zionist's lie about it, Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon.
2: Fallout will probably blow over the ocean since the detonation will occur on the U.S. East Coast or Texas.
"I suspect the nuclear fallout from an Iranian nuclear attack on the US will land in Canada." - RyggTard.
Nov 25, 2011
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Nov 25, 2011
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Because there is no "downfall". More hysteria from a troll.
I'm Candian also,.. but in any case, the point was that your comments tend to be way over the top and quit irrational. Radicalism is usually due to intellectual immaturity.
The current economic troubles of the USA will pass as they have in the past,.. but they were due fundamentally to liberalism and big government.
What is certain is that the USA and free-market capitalism has brought far more good to the world than socialism and communism ever in principal could do.
Nov 25, 2011
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Your profile says your from texas(?)
Nov 25, 2011
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Which it should be, unless the system modeled is chaotic in which chase a retrodictive models does not make the the system predictive. Weather is pretty chaotic.
Having said that, I wouldn't rejoice if I was a denier; So far what I've read is that with these corrections, the temperatures rise only by half as much as some the most extreme temps. That is not going to stop the environmental damages done by such huge and rapid swings in climate. 10C vs 5C.
Still the CO2 emissions continue in an exponential increase; something I don't think this model takes into account. So It's still the same predictions; Not much of a future. Correct me If I'm wrong.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (42)
15 trillion and counting... Falling standard of living, a laughing stock on the world stage, incapacitated government, Sara Palin for Prez....
Ahahahaha... No downfall?
Collapse baby... Complete collapse.
"The current economic troubles of the USA will pass as they have in the past." - NumenTard
The U.S. has already lost it's manufacturing sector to China, and now is losing it's agricultural sector to desertification.
Good luck with that.
"What is certain is that the USA and free-market capitalism' - NumenTard
What is certain is that America is dead as a nation primarily because of anti-government, anti-progress, anti-science, pro business traitors in the Republican party and Libertarian/Randite ideologies.
When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?
http://nymag.com/...2011-11/
Nov 25, 2011
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VD has much to verify before trusting.
Nov 25, 2011
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The state of Chaotic systems can neither be predicted nor postdicted, since by definition the system is highly sensitive to initial conditions.
Like quantum mechanical models, models of chaotic systems can only predict the probability of the climate system being in a specific state (weather), and compute the average bulk characteristics (climate), of the climate system.
RyggTard is, as always, Completely clueless as are all of his fellow Libertairan\Randite brothers and sisters.
Nov 25, 2011
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As an American liberal (The majority by the way), I feel that. But its true in just about every conservative run Government in the world and the conservative economies are the ones with all of the debt issues. The liberal run governments are doing just fine.
Good old 'W' really got us into a mess.
Just my opinion and observation by the way.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (13)
"the conclusion, the proposition that Western civilization must change. And it is, literally, a nonfalsifiable proposition: If global warming and climate change help lead to it, then hurray for global warming and climate change. If not, well, then, theyll find something else."
"Skepticism, the prime scientific virtue, still lives, in other words. If nothing else, Ivar Giaever may yet be able to rejoin the American Physical Society."
http://www.weekly...l?page=3
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (12)
"Solid Liberals
14% OF ADULT POPULATION /16% OF REGISTERED VOTERS"
"Libertarians
9% OF ADULT POPULATION /10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS"
"Main Street Republicans
11% OF ADULT POPULATION /14% OF REGISTERED VOTERS"
"Staunch Conservatives
9% OF ADULT POPULATION /11% OF REGISTERED VOTERS"
http://www.people...rofiles/
Nov 25, 2011
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I think there is enough evidence to declare Co2 pollutant and that human released greenhouse gasses are causing many weather abnormalities and extremes.
Nov 25, 2011
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Nov 25, 2011
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Hold you breathe, you are polluting.
Hottie, where is the data to support your theory that liberals are in the majority. I am skeptical.
Conservatives, who support liberty and opportunity for everyone, are self-serving?
BTW, if anything Pew leans to the liberal side.
Nov 25, 2011
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When? Opps, I misread your question. Where?
Lol. Skeptical.. I'm skeptical too, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct.
Nov 25, 2011
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I guess you consider more hungry in USA than all of China a raging success? That the government comes in dead last #49 on social programs like education and health while spending more money on military buildup (for WW3?) than the rest of the world COMBINED.
Nov 25, 2011
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Nov 25, 2011
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Stupid debate point.
Nov 25, 2011
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Nov 25, 2011
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I told a gaggle of American Conservatives that last month. They called me a liar. So I provided them with a chart of global military spending showing that the U.S. spends more than the rest of the world in total.
Then they called me a Communist Faggot.
Ahahahahahah..... Living in the fantasy land of ConservaDopia.
Nov 25, 2011
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The Co2 you exhale today you ate yesterday.
Poor Libertarian RyggTard. Ignorant about absolutely everything.
Nov 25, 2011
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Ahahahahahahah.... What a moron....
"The premise of catastrophe produces the conclusion that the political and economic underpinnings of Western civilization must be discarded."- RyggTard
Nov 25, 2011
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He was a socialist.
'Liberal', aka socialist, govts are bankrupt.
Hottie claimed a gas he exhales is a pollutant. What does he plan to do to not pollute?
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4.2 / 5 (10)
What you really mean is the liberty and opportunity for the strong to take from the weak, which is very self-serving.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (37)
In Canada the Conservative Mulroney Government followed the disastrous policies of Reagan and borrowed a couple of hundred billion dollars before he was turfed out of office for gross incompetence.
The next Canadian leader was a liberal who started to pay down the debt.
But the Conservatives fought that policy at every turn insisting that a surplus that was being used to pay down the debt was in fact stolen money that should have been returned to the people in the form of lower taxes.
Fortunately for Canadians, the Liberal government was able to ignore the Conservative Morons and managed to pay down a considerable fraction of the national debt.
The COnservatives were voted back into power 6 years ago and immediately lowered the speed at which the debt was being retired. With the U.S. recession Canada's debt under the conservatives is climbing again.
England under Thatcher followed the same disastrous Conservative Plan
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (16)
"Whether in government or finance, he seemed to always believe thered be a bailout. He destroyed MF Global by betting that the European Union wouldnt let some of its troubled governments default because they were, of course, too big to fail. In Jersey, he simply ignored one of the worst pension crises in the country because the idea that wed let hundreds of thousands of government workers lose their pensions is also unthinkable.
In the worlds where Corzine operates, the next bailout is always just around the corner if you are big enough and daring enough.
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Corzine was safer back in New Jersey politics, where he could use other peoples money liberally and engage in shady accounting practices without worrying about the kind of dire consequences he may now face. Nobodys going to occupy Trenton.
Read more: http://www.nypost...li3dAJfS
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (16)
"But economic disaster on his Socialist predecessor's watch helped make the difference this time.
Mr. Rajoy's task is daunting. Besides Spain's staggering joblessness, he must deal with borrowing costs at their highest level since 1997, investors' fears and budget deficits -- all amid the larger eurozone debt crisis.
With the situation demanding austerity measures beyond his predecessor's obviously insufficient cuts in spending and state payrolls, Rajoy's resounding electoral mandate will be a major asset. The Spanish people repudiated the Socialists' approach -- loud and clear."
http://www.pittsb...454.html
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 4.4 / 5 (14)
Hypocrites.
Nov 25, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (15)
What conservative supports borrowing money to redistribute wealth to political supportears and the welfare state?
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 4.2 / 5 (13)
Conservatives support spending other peoples money so as to concentrate wealth unto themselves.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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Unfortunately these astro-turd-blossoms are all over the world.
@R2, I don't know why you complain. The taxes under the Democrats have usually been less than the repubs and we did more with less. The purpose of government, in the end, is to improve the human condition. If not then it should be a government of suspect.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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And, I wonder, do they take into account all the carbon which is sequestered in landfills, cemeteries, construction, and the like?
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (13)
And apparently, there are several people here who have somehow mixed up the Republicans with the American Conservatives. This is a mistaken notion expressed by many people in the U.S. and other countries who cannot seem to grasp the glaring differences between the Republican agenda and the Conservative movement. The Conservatives in the U.S. is very different from what is generally called Conservative in other countries. In the U.S., Conservatives do not believe in "tax and spend", redistribution (legal theft) of other peoples' wealth and bigger government like the Liberal Democrats. We believe in avoiding raising taxes by cutting down on certain programs while not eliminating them entirely, in order to balance the budget. We believe in maintaining a strong military, but we disagree with needless wars such as Afghanistan
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.9 / 5 (13)
There are many websites that can explain the Fair Tax far better than I can. That is only one of the things that differentiates Conservatives from main stream Republicans.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.9 / 5 (13)
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.9 / 5 (13)
The last true Conservative President was Ronald Reagan. There have been no others since.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 4.5 / 5 (8)
If you truly want a level playing field, throw in a ban on the inter-generational passing of wealth.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.9 / 5 (13)
And when I croak finally, I want to leave whatever I have to my children, NOT to the state. If I'm still poor, they will have their memories of me. But if I become rich, do you honestly think that I'm going to allow the government to forcibly, practically at the point of a gun, to take from me what I've EARNED? Surely you can't be serious. LOL
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 2.1 / 5 (15)
I felt it was necessary to set certain people in this thread straight who spoke about Conservatives as though they know what we are all about, but in reality have no clue about the movement and its agenda.
There are those who prefer to blame most of the climate changes on humans and will swallow anything fed to them as long as it comes out of a computer with an climate model algorithm or something like that. They need to take their message to the world and tell people to STOP POLLUTING. That's what needs to be done. Get the message out to everyone instead of griping about it here. Buy or rent a bullhorn; go up and down the streets and tell everyone. Buy advertising space. . .TV, radio, magazines. . .talk to people in malls, wherever. In every city, town and hamlet. . .get the word out to the world. Don't pollute the Earth. What is so hard about that, I'd like to know.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 4.5 / 5 (8)
Your brand of "conservatism" is quickly beginning to sound like nothing more than "I want to be one of the 1%."
Despite the many claims to the contrary, the wealthy did NOT become wealthy on their own merits and efforts alone.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (37)
Deceit, greed, corruption, stupidity, faith, immorality, hypocrisy, treason, mass murder, theft, gluttony, are the characteristics of American Conservatives.
American Republican's are a cancer that is best isolated from others to prevent the fatal American infection from spreading.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (37)
And again we see a Conservative moron trying to claim that the physical properties of CO2 can't be what is measured because the implications don't mesh with his political reality.
He is living in a ConservaTard La, La land.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (37)
Please don't provide a list of them. We might spend the day laughing at you.
You should really take the time to learn how the world around you works. The ignorant just think it's all done by magic.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (38)
Sucker.....
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (39)
You specifically... No.
But your sick political ideology... Yes
The primary problem with drugs is not the drugs but the effects of the criminalization of them. And that is a very Conservative idea that is a proven, chronic failure.
Decriminalize, possession, control production via regulation and criminalize sales.
Conservative policies maximize illicit drug sale profits, which is what attracts the business man.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (38)
Which shows how easily you empty headed fools are manipulated by Faux news.
You do know don't you, that watching Faux news makes you stupid.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (37)
Your Republican desire to bankrupt your own nation has resulted in the bankruptcy of your own nation.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 2.1 / 5 (14)
How do 'liberals' create wealth by stealing it?
The more wealth private individuals can keep for themselves to invest and spend, the more wealth is created. 'Liberals' support taking wealth from those who create it and redistributing that wealth to those who won't.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 2.1 / 5 (15)
Sweden has 'for profit' schools which are funded by vouchers.
People value what they pay for. Is that why few value their 'free' education?
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.8 / 5 (39)
Once people like kockevnik and vendicar makes statements like the above absurdity, I must bail. There is no sense in discussing anything with them because they are absolutely clueless as pointed out by piroutte, and will just say anything.
They are clueless about conservative principals; the power of free-market capitalism and egoistic individualism, in creating the greatest economy and standard of living the world has ever seen.
They cry about the greedy rich and their pockets, but are clueless about the vast scope of fraud in welfare and gov entitlement programs.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (12)
http://www.coolan...xide.png
But it illustrates too, the rise of carbon dioxide levels is insensitive to the period of global warming in recent decade, when the global mean temperature didn't increase significantly. Instead of it, the carbon dioxide levels continued to rise in undiminished rate. I don't think, the people are responsible for all this increasing concentration of carbon dioxide. In my theory the Earth itself is heating, being surrounded with cloud of antineutrinos from dark matter, which are accelerating the decay of radioactive elements inside of Earth mantle and oceans and it releases the carbon dioxide dissolved from there.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.8 / 5 (38)
This idiotic association of conservatives with the rich, greed, and wall street,... is pure unmitigated intellectual fraud. This is trough feed for young clueless liberal mush heads.
There are plenty of rich liberals that participate in the free-market and wall street.
EVERYONE wants to "concentrate wealth unto themselves", you twit. That desire is a egoistic one and as such is naturally intrinsic to every individual. It is a force that free-market capitalism depends on to function. All other liberal forces are counter & dampen economies.
Everyone ACTS in terms of individualism, egoistic motives, seeking profit and benefit from others, NOT collectivism. The latter is counter to intrinsic nature of man.
The fraud in Welfare, Disability, and Gov Spending, far exceed, by orders of magnitude, that of left's caricature,
"The Rich",.. all due to liberalism.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (40)
Eventually we all have to grow up and face the real world. Except liberal idealist as their world is fantasy, and ignorance and naivete is bliss.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (15)
Collectivism is the means 'liberals' use to boost their egos and seek profit.
Coercion is the only method left to them to obtain their perfect society. Every attempt at voluntary collectivism by 'liberals' has failed to be accepted by the entire society. Why? As you pointed out, it is contrary to human nature.
The only successful collectivist societies are monasteries. Their members are volunteers with high moral character.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.8 / 5 (40)
As Religion is idealistic, the far left liberal Utopian Society is idealistic.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 2 / 5 (16)
If Liberals create wealth, then why aren't ALL Liberals wealthy already? Hoarding wealth? Are you absolutely CERTAIN that it's hoarding, or is it that most businessmen and women keep a certain amount of money for themselves and the rest goes back INTO the business.
Kovechnik. . .you need to go back to school for Economics101, as do Venditurd and some others who have no idea how Capitalism works. ALSO, in your smart little world of Socialism, do you honestly believe that by removing wealth from those have EARNED it, that it will make you and everyone else wealthy too?? You've got it wrong, fella. There will ALWAYS BE poor people in this and other countries. AND there will always be people who are a DRAG on their fellow citizens and want to be taken care of by taxpayer money. That's how humanity is and it won't change because of YOUR say-so
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.8 / 5 (38)
Mindless non-sense. The poor in the USA have cable, cell phones, air-cond, cars, and hdtv's, while the middle class in China earn $200 per month. Also, China, quit ironically, had to resort to economic Capitalism to survive as a country,... though they are still communist controlled.
The above facts should have told you that the gov is inept, ..that no matter how much is spent it continues to fail, a conservative point. Why? Because the gov does not have to compete, and there is no one "behind the counter" that makes a profit in gov, so there is zero motive force to improve effectiveness and efficiency. That's why.
The military is the exception, and the primary purpose for the existence of government, and the definition of a country to begin with.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.8 / 5 (38)
As I said in another thread wrt to that non-sense, ,...it is not rational to project political affiliation from one era onto that of another. The terms liberalism and conservatism require historical context, as they have relative meanings in different era's and different countries.
Obviously Hitler was all about Government Control and Social Engineering, quit counter to modern American conservatism. Not a matter of opinion.
Your knowledge of politics consists of cartoonish caricatures of conservatives. It is clear that you were violated by left wing propaganda.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 2.1 / 5 (14)
I'd say that's a doomsday scenario and there is every indication we are right on track.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (16)
1) a government that is given or forcibly takes too much power BECOMES that 1% wealthy that you are so intent on destroying.
2) The rest of you Liberal/Socialists will REMAIN the USEFUL IDIOTS that you are, and you will NOT be allowed to accumulate wealth of your own EVER.
3) Everything you own will belong to the government who will redistribute it to everyone else according to THEIR needs. You most likely will not even have a pot to piss in that you can call your own.
4) If you decide to keep something for yourself, you will be labeled a "hoarder" and will be prosecuted by your peers as a criminal and sentenced. Jail time may undo your Socialist radicalist ideas.
5) The 1% wealthy that you despise now will leave your country, abandon their factories, and leave EVERYBODY out of a job, Even more people will be unemployed when the business owners go away. This is what you want?
Nov 26, 2011
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Like AMTRAK, USPS, GSEs, and now GM and Chrysler.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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You people will leave yourselves a very narrow space with not much wiggle room. If Capitalism is ever abandoned here, but Red China has embraced it, it would only prove that you useful idiots have a mental disorder and need to be in a mental institution.
7) You will not change your nitwit ideology/Socialist moronic values. For you to change your mind, you would need a brain transplant.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (38)
Only to clear the air a little, once and a while. Don't worry, it will soon be back to the regular MSM-bots, , NPR-bots, Huffington Post-bots, and NY Times-bots.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (16)
The 'liberals' claim to be 'for the people'. But when more of the people prefer Fox News, the people are 'stupid' or brainwashed and information must be controlled for the sake of 'the people'.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (15)
I don't bother with FoxNews anymore except only occasionally. However, I DO listen to NPR for amusement, noticing the clipped tones and carefully worded propaganda of those elitist morons, the useful tools who believe they know what's best for mankind. It just proves that their college educations did not make them any smarter than the average knuckle-dragging doofuses amongst them. . . .which reminds me of Venditurd and Kovechnik. ROFLOL
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.4 / 5 (13)
That would be Carbon DIOXIDE. I agree about the Methane and that it is a greater threat to life as we know it. I also think that our Earth is in for a lot more volcanic action, both on land and undersea and that Methane is a precursor of what is in store for our species. There's really no way to tell what's going on in the upper or lower mantle, even though we have seismographs and other technology. CO2 is preferable to Methane since plant life doesn't absorb Methane to survive. Warming an cooling in cycles, that's what our planet is all about. Even if the seas rise, the CO2 in the atmosphere will not prevent
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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The ideological Libertarian/Randite demand for open markets has caused America's manufacturing sector to take flight from their own nation.
Nov 26, 2011
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The ideological Libertarian/Randite demand for open markets has caused America's manufacturing sector to take flight from their own nation.
This transfer of jobs overseas is in large part the reason for America's ongoing economic collapse, and the principle reason that even with those Americans who are lucky to be working, average wages after correcting for inflation, have fallen to below 1999 levels.
When Libertarian/Randites were told this would happen, they insisted that Americans would excell in a new knowledge based economy (a fantasy), and that the jobs that would be lost were undesirable anyhow (a fantasy).
This biblically sized exodus has been followed by the movement of Analytics, R&D, Engineering, and even service sector jobs where possible.
Cont...
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (39)
The Libertarian/Randite prescription to solve the American Unemployment problem is to demand more of the same poison that created the problem in the first place, thereby insuring the continued rape of the American middle class.
This is one of the many reasons why America has no future.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (37)
One would think that someone whining that the political realities of the absorption spectra of CO2 would put together enough brain cells to know that CO2 isn't Carbon Monoxide.
I presume not enough brain cells exist to be tasked with the job.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (15)
Probable meaning: "alcoholics anonymous". Somehow I always suspected that Venditurdinous comes to Physorg in a drunken stupor by the stupid comments he always makes regarding his ideas of how society works. His Libertarian/Randite/Conservative rants are proof positive that he drinks either too many cheap beers or a full bottle of Jack Daniels or whatever. Only a person in a drunken stupor could think up such dimwitted thoughts on political ideology and the future of mankind. Venditurd has obviously lost millions of brain cells and laps up anything now.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.7 / 5 (40)
We now have six studies, all showing that Faux news makes people stupid.
RyggTard is one of many.
http://gawker.com...fox-news
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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ryggesogn3 | gregor2 | CManhole82 | DenseAetherTheory | Pirouline |
Nov 26, 2011
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Oh yeah, lets just eat our children. That's a natural law too.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (15)
Dayum. . .now the sockpuppets are revising our user names to make people think they're us?
Seems like they're now reaching back to their 10 year old - grade school bag of tricks for ways to get back at decent people who enter these Physorg threads. What a jerkoff FrankHerbert and his cronies are.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (16)
You're advocating eating of children? Are you daft? Or is it that you are so incensed with the fact that true American Conservatism is far superior to the insanity of Collectivist/Socialist/Communist ideology that you are about to go mad and start ripping kids apart and eating their flesh? Perhaps a few nights in a mental hospital and a visit to your local friendly psychiatrist might cure you of evil thoughts.
Muahahahahahahahahaaaaa
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 4.9 / 5 (14)
Hi all.
About ideologies discussion per se.
Capitalists treat PROFITS as THEIRS, and 'screw the public/poor' upon whose back/society they made those profits. But when things go sour for the 'markets/businesses', these 'capitalists' suddenly 'believe' in SOCIALISING their LOSSES onto society/poor for BAILOUTS and their GOVT to clean up the 'markets mess'.
"Global Financial Crisis", anyone?
The point is neither EXTREME capitalism nor EXTREME socialism is sustainable.
Only a middle path between extremes is sustainable. It is the intelligent way to go.
Yet extreme ideologies/greed for profit/power still seems to flourish because populace is ignorant of these and is gullible for the cons being perpetrated on them from time to time by one 'extreme gang' or the other.
Humanity has advanced technologically/scientifically, but mass intelligence is still way too low and mass gullibility still way too high to resist crooks and scammers using 'ideology' in lieu of logic.
Cheers.
.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (12)
About US/Western Democracies discussion per se.
Of late, despite 9/11 attacks on US by extremists, it is US, NATO and Western Democracies in UN who seem to be real friends of Muslim/Islamic peoples trying to get rid of their tyrants, putting lives and treasure in jeopardy for the sake of those being killed in Libya, etc.
Whereas Russia and China VETO attempts to give these people a say in their own govt.!
China and Russia want to keep the 'status quo' of tyrannies/murderers put in place during the 'cold war' era, while the rest of the world wants to move on from such idiotic ideological madness.
Next time anyone criticises the US et al, perhaps they should look at these OTHER powers which the US et al have to contend with who want to CONTINUE the madness and murder of Muslim/Islamic peoples for their own ends, eh?
US is no 'saint', but compared to Russia/China, it is the BEST HOPE for world sanity in the end. Hence US military/political muscle is justified for now.
Cheers.
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Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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Poor Numentard. He would rather not remember that the vast majority of Scientists are Liberal.
Why is that Tard Boy?
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (13)
These are not capitalists.
However, I can understand those in business that consistently have their hands tied by the state, and when their businesses fail because of the state, they justifiably demand compensation.
Maybe the best solution is to just shrug and stay out businesses the govt heavily regulates. If the govt thinks it can do better, let them.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (13)
Name one.
How is the USA an empire again?
However, if you think it is an empire, would you prefer a Russian or Chinese or Persian empire to replace your so called Empire USA?
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.9 / 5 (36)
The "vast majority"? False. Just over half (52%) consider themselves liberal according to the Pew study, within margin of error.
"[I] would rather give control of our government to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University. - William F. Buckley
Nov 26, 2011
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no, not ignorant, just plain stupid. He was egrossed by the sound of his own voice.
Nov 26, 2011
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OMG. . .twinners is Jeffrey Dahmer back from the dead.
Naw. . .on second thought, twinners is just a copycat child molester.
Nov 26, 2011
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These days, you don't have to be Atilla to conquer, you simply have to have enough money to buy what you want. I want you daughter... How much?
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (16)
Barack Obama; Nancy Pelosi; John Kerry; Chris Dodd; Harry Reid; Barney Frank; et al. From the President on down to Senators and Congressmen and women, they are ALL corrupt; and I still haven't started on the Republican corruption. Several Democrats are tax cheats and several Republicans accept gifts from lobbyists to push certain bills to become law. There is just TOO MUCH corruption in Washington, DC. That's why the Conservative Party came into being. . .to help PREVENT corruption amongst Republicans and to get the budget balanced and to see to it that the U.S. Constitution is followed by all, including the President.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (15)
There are many others I could cite, but it's getting late and I'm tired. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with making a profit. It's the process that's important, not how much you make.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (14)
twinners. . .none of my children are for sale. . . .and if you want to know why, my Glock says so, as does my friends Smith & Wesson. And since you have a need to know, my children all are well armed and don't put up with $hit from anybody either. I sincerely hope I have answered your question to your satisfaction.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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The error here is the use of the word "again."
Had you a reasonably good understanding of geopolitics you would have no need of the question.
Nov 26, 2011
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Small wonder that he and so many others like him are duped by them.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (15)
So tell us, VendorOfTurds. . . .how many of these vast majority of Liberal "Scientists" have you interviewed to find out their innermost thoughts on their political leanings? 100? 1,000? 10,000? Did you pay a professional poll taker to get your "facts"? OR did you go from university to university to Monsanto to NASA to GE to Smith-Kline to the ESA and everywhere else where scientists may be lurking, just to come to the conclusion that scientists are mostly Liberals as opposed to. . . .what? Capitalists? You seem to forget that scientists are always scrambling for funding for their research from everywhere and anywhere they can get it. They are capitalists, you dimwit. You are a liar.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (15)
ooops...deepsand. . . .
I have been a Capitalist all my life and now you say I don't know what a Capitalist is?
If you bothered to read my previous posts on the different TYPES of Capitalists, you MIGHT have noticed that some people use Capitalism to punish their enemies; some use it to further their political careers, both Democrat and Republican; some use Capitalism to run their businesses so that they can HIRE the unemployed so that those people can make a good living and take care of their families, as well as being productive in their job; but the great majority use Capitalism to have the money to buy a house, a car, food, entertainment, college education, etc. and a nice pension in their old age. You anti-Capitalists are therefore, AGAINST all these things I have just mentioned. You are, therefore, PRO-SLAVERY because dependency on the government for support IS slavery and prolongs that old "SLAVE MENTALITY" that most people all over the world reject.
Nov 26, 2011
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The point was that in THIS present case the ONLY 'others' trying to maintain the old cold-war tyrants/empires are China and Russia and THEIR puppet states still in existence.
The fact that the Arab Leauge and Turkey and all the Muslim/Islamic pwoples currently under tyrannies are ASKING for outside help to replace their tyrannical govt with more democratic govt.
The US is no 'empire'. Democracies CHOOSE who they will associate with. In this case the affected muslim/islamic peoples suffering tyrannical empire 'leftovers' are the one's who WANT the US, NATO and their democractic UN allies to help THEM.
Hardly an indictment of the US et al, if these people are BEGGING for US etc intervention.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.9 / 5 (14)
Oops, my ass. But, then, ad hominem is to be expected from a sophist.
I'm saying that, as a hireling, you are not a capitalist. You're a drone, the slave labor that capitalists depend on.
Nov 26, 2011
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Nov 26, 2011
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Right lol. What is your point in even bringing this up?
Hey everyone slavery *WAS NOT* the fault of any white people in the United States. They were just offered too good of a deal by those dastardly Arabs! We can't be held responsible!
Your mind is so diseased. Just give up you pathetic old man.
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (12)
I will rephrase, how is the USA an empire?
Nov 26, 2011
Rank: 3.3 / 5 (16)
Marjon, how isn't it?
It's not like Augustus went around proclaiming the death of the Republic and his ascension to the throne. Augustus' success was in keeping the idea of the Republic alive, even if the state ceased to function as a republic. It was a good 200 years after Augustus death until his successors outright quit pretending the Republic still existed and a good 300 years until is was *officially* abolished.
So just because we have a constitution, rule of law, elections, whatever it is you think that disqualifies the US from being an empire does not.
Trust me; those invested in the state cult, such as yourself, are incapable of realizing when society deviates from its own standards. Such mentalities lead to unchecked nationalism which eventually progresses to fascism, the extreme end of the conservative spectrum.
Nov 26, 2011
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So Frank has no answer.
It is the 'progressive'/'liberal'/socialist that is fully invested in state power.
Instead of proposing technical solutions to their fabricated problem, AGWites immediately proposed political solutions that increased the power of govts.
They have no meaning if the 'liberals' refuse to follow or enforce the laws. How many times has Castro been 'elected'?
Why won't the federal govt enforce its immigration laws and why does it attack US states that attempt to enforce those laws?
Nov 27, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (15)
By Professor Ross McKitrick
www.thegwpf.org/i...orms.pdf
Nov 27, 2011
Rank: 4.5 / 5 (8)
Read the cited book from STRATFOR's founder.
Or, read some of their materials available free on-line to non-subscribers.
An empire is measured, not by the land it holds, but by the power it exerts. And, as the only standing superpower, one geographically isolated from any would be attackers, and the only one with a blue water navy with a global reach, the United States' sphere of power projection is more vast than any nation before.
Nov 27, 2011
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I'm assuming you are restricting empire to mean "territorial empire" which is only one kind. The US would be a "hegemonic empire". The US as the global hegemon is by definition a hegemonic empire. It's not a value judgement. It's not meant as a criticism. You attribute a negative connotation to the word that I am not. I simply mean it as a description of the subject at hand.
As Frank Herbert said, "the mistakes of leaders are amplified by the number of their followers." I would append his wisdom to include the obvious, but omitted opposite. Leaders successes are also amplified by the number of their followers. This is the double edged sword of empire and society in general.
Nov 27, 2011
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I was disparaging 'extremes' (BOTH capitalists and communists).
I too worked hard, but also contributed to as FAIR an Australian society as possible in an imperfect world, in a moderate-centre Australian society/govt. It works better than most other 'extreme' ideologies/systems.
If you live in a country that takes responsibility for promoting 'fair play' and not 'dog eat dog' policies, then you live in a 'moderate-centre' capitalist-socialist country.
The GFC has been responsible for the loss of hardworking 'ordinary citizens' SAVINGS/HOMES. It is the 'extreme' capitalist/conservative profit-at-all-costs types for bringing misery and havoc because their 'markets/greed' was 'unfettered capitalism' at work.
Cheers.
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Nov 27, 2011
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So I'll sing ya all a song ..
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
Nov 27, 2011
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Venus Project
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Nov 27, 2011
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And yet it has found itself incapable of effecting meaningful change in Afghanistan or Iraq, Cuba or any of the nations in South America.
What America's military dollars has purchased however is fiscal bankruptcy, and enemies all over the world as that military has been used to try and extend U.S. economic and political power.
It has all been a colossal, and obviously pointless waste, and itself another reason America is undeserving of respect.
Nov 27, 2011
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I disagree. Quality of life need not be purchased through the production of vast quantities of waste. Neither is it purchased through the hoarding of material goods. Quality if life comes from convenience and liberty, once the essentials of life are attained.
Less stuff. More happiness.
Nov 27, 2011
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"Thus expert omniscience could not be trusted to check the excesses of popular passion, and public omniscience could not be trusted to check the excesses of expert arrogance. In the view of the framers, there is no omniscience; there is only imperfect humanity. "
http://www.nation...vatism-y
Nov 27, 2011
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Which is working very well for China and the other pacific rim nations.
By the way... You link.. Like most of your links, is invalid.
Trying to hide something Tard Boy?
Nov 27, 2011
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http://www.nation...vin?pg=3
Nov 27, 2011
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"The (Republican) aide (Karl Rove) said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that realityjudiciously, as you willwe'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actorsand you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Nov 27, 2011
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Childish Idealism.
"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally."
Nov 27, 2011
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http://www.nation...vin?pg=4
The 'progressives' posting here are described quite well by this article.
AGW fits into the 'progressive' faith quite well. A technical elite controls the information and advocates for govt 'solutions' by fiat.
Hope:
"A daring idea to fix the economy: try doing less"
http://www.telegr...ess.html
Nov 27, 2011
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"If democracy can be supplanted easily when big issues are at stake and actual voters are allowed to select governments only for unimportant questions, the vitality and longevity of democracy itself are at issue. "
http://www.washin...deficit/
The EU is the technocrat's wet dream. See how well it is working.
Nov 27, 2011
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Thank you for this reference. This issue is far too important to our species for continuious debate to be stifled by intellectual bullying and brown-shirt tactics.
Nov 27, 2011
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Or maybe you just simply chose not to become an utter asshole.
Grow up and rejoin the humn race.
Keep in mind that Oliver is a conservative. He calls himself a curmudgeon to cover up the reality that he is mean viscous old man, at best. Noumenen, do you want to be an asshole too?
Ethelred
Nov 27, 2011
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500,000 Americans died to end slavery in the US. We took responsibility even if we didn't want to.
bluehigh
John Lennon was an idiot on many things. He was the sort of idiot that said things like 'what if they gave a war and nobody came?'. Which has got to be one the stupidest phrases anyone came up with outside of religion.
Ethelred
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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The point was that young people tend to default to liberal democrat, because it's the safest and most emotionally reasonable position. Young people by definition have limited experience in life and so a limited frame of reference in which to draw them out of naiveté, and therefore away from idealism.
Once one gains more experience in life, they establish more pragmatic frame of reference in which to judge the world, and become relatively more conservative.
Nov 27, 2011
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1) Liberals will STILL be downtrodden, oppressed and POOR, along with the REST of the population who is not a part of government.
2) The 1% wealthy will no longer have their wealth unless they move to a different country.
3) Those who decide to remain in the U.S. will have their wealth forcibly removed from them and then jailed for "crimes against humanity".
4) Persons "of interest" and dissidents will be put on trial in a kangaroo court and then taken out and shot.
Nov 27, 2011
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This is why the vast majority of hollywood actors, music artists, criminals, welfare recipients, union members, rioters, and other smelly groups, tend to be liberal.
If you attempt to link conservative to "mean old man before his time", remember that the majority of conservatives (not me) are religious and give donations to their church who in turn help the needy.
Nov 27, 2011
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6) A military conscription will be forced on all young people from each state; young men and women sent overseas to put down rebellions and dissidents in other Socialist/Communist countries, while conscripted soldiers from those other countries will be sent to the U.S. to put down domestic rebellions and ordered to shoot on sight.
7) Nobody will be allowed to own anything. Everything belongs to the government. Anyone caught stealing will have his/her fingers or hand surgically removed.
Nov 27, 2011
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9) Salaries will be determined by government Czars and only the minimum wage will be allowed to the 99% of the population. The rest of the tax money will go for government infrastructure including beautiful towers and office buildings dedicated to government officials and their bureaucrats. Road gangs comprised of convicted dissidents will be used to rebuild bridges, airports and tunnels. Only gov't officials allowed to fly.
10) The President (possibly Obama) will have a lifetime post as a world leader with a large yearly salary of 1 billion dollars for his personal use.
Nov 27, 2011
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12) School teachers and professors will continue the teaching of condoms on a cucumber for grades 2 through 12, and the glories of anal sex. The 3 R's are irrelevant. Children won't be needing them.
13) Smoking and illegal drugs is punishable by death in a smoke-filled chamber. The 99% must go to work. Production is key.
14) Differences of opinion in the media and public discourse will not be tolerated. Only that which is favorable to the government is allowed. . .for young and old.
Nov 27, 2011
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Young people are intellectually bright, but they lack the life experience. Therefore they tend to adhere on mainstream theories and schematic thinking more, than many elderly physicists, who are willing to study the boundary phenomena like the cold fusion or water clusters.
Nov 27, 2011
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LOL, FrankHubris likes to invent racism if it doesn't otherwise exist.
Nov 27, 2011
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Where would we be without that young naiveté - that willingness to venture out and try the new? We'd still be living in trees is where we'd be.
That is, they default to the known and safe - becoming afraid to take chances and get messy. It's quite sad, really.
Nov 27, 2011
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For example, string theorists are young bright physicists, who bravely promoted new theory, but they're behaving rather like conservatives, guarding the purity of classical theories, on which the string theory is based. On the other hand, the elderly physicists are more willing to think in wider context, so they appear as a liberal by now in many aspects. We can even talk about certain inversion of roles of social generations.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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Way out of context, guy.
I never meant to generalize nearly that much, and in fact didn't. Only wrt political naiveté, liberalism, conservatism, and form of government.
Nov 27, 2011
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http://www.almaz....ers/age/
It's not actually valid at the case, when the new finding requires to combine large amount facts or life experience. In deductive approach the young people have still their advantage in generally higher intelligence.
Nov 27, 2011
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http://www.aether...rane.gif
It's true, the anthropogenic model of global warming is very schematic and it leads to the socialization of economy. But it's true too, if we wouldn't switch the usage of fossil fuels soon before their price will escalate, we are facing the geopolitical instability, financial crisis or even global nuclear war. The conservative politics cannot account into these risks in the same way, like the liberal politics cannot account into threat of individual freedom and free market.
Your stance in this controversy should remain UNBIASED, or we cannot make any progress in its solution.
Nov 27, 2011
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You're making a politically obsolete association.
Conservatism and liberalism have contextual and relative meanings, wrt era's and countries.
Modern conservatives are counter to big government control, and are for the American constitution which advocates freedom, and are counter to suppression of ideas. Therefore your association is irrational.
Nov 27, 2011
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15) Each civilian domicile will be comprised of 2 to 3 or more families in order to preserve the government's coal, gas and oil supplies as it regards home heating and use of electricity. Only a small consumption of kwH will be allowed each month for all families within each individua dwelling. No pets allowed that require drinking water. Pet rocks will be distributed to the children.
16) Health care will only be given through Nurse Practitioners, no doctor's visits. Necessary operations will be only deemed necessary by the Nurse and the medical office workers and an independent government bureaucrat somewhere in Washington, DC.
Nov 27, 2011
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At any case, it's completely unnecessary to judge it, because we all are swimming in the ocean of free energy in form of cold fusion. We should focus to real problems instead of solving these theoretical ones: how to force our governments into wider research and exploitation of cold fusion. If we solve this, then the other problems will disappear automatically, at least for now.
It's as simple as it is. The origin of financial crisis is the incoming oil peak, nothing else.
Nov 27, 2011
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I agree. The UN propose only redistribution of wealth and governmental control of energy use. Since a) this is a duck-tape short term solution, and b) is counter to capitalistic economies, it has no chance of being a resounding long term solution, especially as world population continues to grow.
An alternative energy source must be able to compete with oil/coal, in an economically nondestructive way. I would be for a 1% sales tax for a Manhattan'esque project with concentrated effort in developing alternatives (e.g. safe traditional nuclear or fusion) that can compete with oil/coal, ...so that it's in the best interest of the masses to use the alternatives.
Nov 27, 2011
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And why you would trust the govt to manage the program?
We have several options to consider now. One is the sealed nuclear reactor from Toshiba and there is a US design the city of Galena, AK is/was investigating to power their city.
These designs would work well on the basements of skyscrapers and other large buildings.
If you trust the nuclear Navy, let them manage these projects and train the operators.
Nov 27, 2011
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The cold fusion can already do it. But the COP achieved by now (~ 6) is still too low. We do need a further organized research, I mean a serious peer-reviewed research. We are losing time and incredible amount of money with delaying it every day.Yeah and all these thorium molten salt reactors... :-\
I know about all these technologies - but the cold fusion could kick ass all of them without problem. It's completely safe, produces no radioactivity and nuclear waste and it can be scaled down to the microscopic sizes. Every calculator could have its own cold fusion source of energy. No need of wires, batteries and similar energy mediators.
In my opinion the nuclear fission era of civilization is over.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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Because there is no way to get the private sector to handle something that complex, and supply the funds necessary (The army handled the original Manhattan project),... and one of the core purposes of government is to protect it's citizens AND it's economy.
My first choice would be to convince people that, as oil/coal begin to become more and more scarce, it's cost will increase more and more.
This will then allow alternative markets to complete, in a gradual and natural way.
In others words, through normal technological advances expected in any case in the modern age, the issue will resolve itself. This presumes that the cataclysmic AGW predications are hysterical hype.
Nov 27, 2011
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The same principles apply. It's the young (and the young at heart) idealists who drive society to experiment with new politcal concepts.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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The problem is, the oil price doesn't follow the free market rules, being kept artificially low and it doesn't reflect the state of oil reserves. In particular, the companies mining the oil tend to lie about actual state of oil reserves, as it enables them to increase mining quotas. The increased cost of mining doesn't reflect the final price smoothly, because the increasing portion of oil is simply burned for vapor generation in underground and its consumed at place during drilling and pumping.
The free market economy cannot account to the price of coil, until the coil is mined as easily, as before one hundred years. When the fossil fuels deposit will get depleted, then their price will jump suddenly, but it will be too late.
Nov 27, 2011
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I've nothing against free market economy, but we shouldn't overestimate its real possibilities. There are many less or more hidden components of real oil price, for example the price of oil wars which is doing the oil pretty expensive resource.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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How about THERMAL energy, in the meantime. All that heat underground going to waste and there for the taking and. . . .Obama wants windmills and solar panels. There are key places in the U.S. and other countries where the heat comes up so hot, like in Iceland. Their electric turbines create electricity from that heat. Why can't WE do that too? Just find a magma source and tap into it.
Nov 27, 2011
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Hi Pirouette. Your 'ideology' runa away with objectivity. Heard of the INTERNET etc? Censorship is futile, and alerts/angers the world. The "Arab Spring" is made possible by the internet despite tyrants/despots trying to 'censor' it.
Another example of ideological 'zeal' running away with you. An Australian govt body called CSIRO used to lead the world (per capita/expenditure) in many fields of research/development for the common good. CSIRO is now way less effective because 'conservative ideology' has made CSIRO merely an 'arm' of the 'market' concentrating on 'profitable' research instead of 'common good' research. Go figure!
Cold war 'leftover' ideologies are behind much of the present troubles/stances. These will pass.
Nov 27, 2011
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If the current financial crisis is the result of oil price fluctuation, then the cost of financial crisis should be taken into account of fossil fuel lobby. It's all about the hidden cost of ownership of fossil fuel economy.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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The private sector is managing very complex projects now. Wal Mart manages to bring products from all over the world to your neighborhood store at a price you are willing to pay.
But, again, there is no need for your govt project. The technology exists, the research has been done. Get the govt out of the way.
Nov 27, 2011
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http://www.treehu...and.html
Nov 27, 2011
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Come, come, now you are sounding a little 'hysterical' yourself, eh? There is sustainable and unsustainable progress; There is safe and unsafe activities regarding the environment we all need to be healthy. Tapping the deep hot rocks in 'safe' locations would be WELCOMED by 'alternative energy' proponets, don't you think? It would be nice for all concerned if we ALL stop letting hyperbole and ideology colour our objectivity, eh? Cheers.
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Nov 27, 2011
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Callippo. . . .I agree that we are being ripped off by the oil cartels, as well as oil refineries, oil commodities, gas stations, etc. But at each level of the oil game, EVERYONE gets their cut of the spoils. That's the natural order of things. To counter these measures nowadays, MOST Americans drive a lot less than when oil was cheap, and they push that old thermometer gauge to a lower degree to heat their home. I do all these things, and then some. I don't even heat my home anymore except with free firewood. Everyone needs to find a way to cut back on their fossil fuel consumption. It can be done.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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Also, please don't confuse the government of Australia with the gov't in the U.S.
Our present government is a whole other chicken. The majority of your country are transplanted Englishmen, Irish and Scots, with a smattering of indigenous people. While we in the U.S. are a "melting pot" with differing ideals, hopes, dreams, cultures, traditions, varying degrees of political stances, talents, intelligence, education, ambitions, etc. I could go on and on as to our differences, but I won't. No reflection on you and your country, just please don't apply YOUR standards to us.
Nov 27, 2011
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Callippo, it would be an understatement for me to say that there are too many variables in this world regarding the human condition and the human mindset. With all the countries pulling in all different directions and expecting all of their people to toe the line, it's similar to 20 mules tied to each other and each one wanting to go his own way.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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In the long term it does follow the free market, as oil is a commodity and is traded as such. The price of oil is driven by the market (i.e. futures speculators), which naturally is driven by many things, including projected supply and demand, reserves, production, etc.
I reject the notion that military presence in foreign lands to protect a countries interests, should be accounted as energy cost. It should be and is accounted as defense.
Nov 27, 2011
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No they aren't. This is evidenced by the eagerness to disqualify Bush as a Conservative. The line goes "if Bush expanded government he wasn't really a conservative." No true scotsman and all that. It's not that Bush isn't a conservative because he expanded government; it's that Bush is a conservative and being a conservative has nothing to do with the size of government.
Conservatives aren't against "big" government, they are against things they don't want the government to do. They just get sucked into semantics and word games and by the time they end up expressing their opinion they themselves have no idea what they are even talking about. For example "keep your government hands off my Medicare."
With regards to me misquoting Pirouette, he's angry that I quoted him as saying there are "transparent" rather than "SEMI-transparent" animals on Mars. Yes, that was the sticking point in question. lol
Nov 27, 2011
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Everything else. . . .material things are irrelevant. We're born naked and we go out of here with the clothes on our back. No money, jewelry, no car, no oil, coal or gas to worry about.
I prefer the simple life, don't you?
Nov 27, 2011
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Oh you support "legal theft" now? Watch out, you are now on Marjon's list of physorg socialists (i.e. everyone but himself).
Nov 27, 2011
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Callippo. . .I sincerely hope you're right about cold fusion. If it turns out not to be a feasible source of energy, then we're screwed.
Nov 27, 2011
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What a simple world you live in. "Oh no, magic technology X that was never going to work doesn't work! We're doomed! Please Steorn, save us!"
Oops. I guess I misquoted you again.
Nov 27, 2011
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"Fiscal conservatism is a political term used to describe a fiscal policy that advocates avoiding deficit spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider reduction of overall government spending and national debt as well as ensuring balanced budget of paramount importance. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other conservative policies are also often but not necessarily affiliated with fiscal conservatism." - Wiki
This of course results in a limited government. The "eagerness to disqualify Bush as a Conservative", comes from conservatives, so therefore they are the ones defining it.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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Military presence in another country may be useful, but only if invited into the other country. An open invitation is less likely to rankle the population's nerves, bot the foreign and domestic nerves. However, there will always be antiwar protesters and disagreements on how and why our own soldiers should be killed in the protection of someone else's country, unless, like World War 2, it was a necessary but glorious evil. The Cindy Sheehans of the U.S. who made President Bush's life a living hell had her dead son as an excuse. But there are others who protest for many other reasons of their own, both valid and also stupid. Personally, I wouldn't want OUR military to fight for Israel. I don't like them to be in Afghanistand either, but who am I to buck the system?
Nov 27, 2011
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How many Iraqi's lives did Bush make a living hell? How many American serviceman's families? You have NO perspective.
Nov 27, 2011
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FrankHerbfart also thinks that soldiers are not supposed to fight wars and, perhaps, get killed in those wars. Maybe he would prefer them to knit or crochet doilies for his chair?
Nov 27, 2011
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So, what are you implying here exactly Frank?
I gave you the definition of a conservative wrt government spending. This naturally resolves to a number of things,.. like reliance on the private sector, personal accountability, limited welfare state, in short limited government etc
People like Obama enjoy linking conservative to the Rich, big business, and wall street corruption,... but never mention, the several orders of magnitude larger, corruption and fraud that exists in welfare and disability government programs, by the lower class that pay zero tax.
Nov 27, 2011
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Congress voted to go to war in Iraq. Would you like me to provide quotes of the impeding threat of Saddam, by Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Rockefeller, Bob Graham, Hillary Clinton, and on and on.
It was a sound military strategy. Had Saddam been in power now with UN sanctions expired, there would be a race to develop nuclear weapons in the middle east, between Iraq and Iran in particular, but not limited.
Nov 27, 2011
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What's wrong with knitting or crocheting? Are you sexist?
1. Conservative voters are more gullible than the average.
2. Conservative leaders are less honest than the average.
Non sequitur.
Nov 27, 2011
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LOL, since they authorize the war, it clearly is not.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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"How many Iraqi's lives did Bush (and Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Rockefeller, Bob Graham, Hillary Clinton, and on and on [and what, every republican except Ron Paul?]) make a living hell? How many American serviceman's families? You have NO perspective."
Happy?
Nov 27, 2011
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Meaningless generalizations. Democrat voters are inept in their dependance on gov, and democrat leaders are more dishonest as they tap into emotional class war-fare without ever solving poverty, sub-par education, or whatever other ills in society.
You didn't answer the question, so lets try again,...
So, what are you implying here exactly Frank?
Nov 27, 2011
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The point was that you can't just blame Bush, .. the circumstances were such that war was inevitable. War is necessary at times in the real world, never in the idealistic world.
Another thing the far left failed at is to figure out how to arrange the world so that war is never required. Until you anti-war twits accomplish this miracle, it will be business as usual.
Nov 27, 2011
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Lol this right here is a perfect microcosm of just how little you get my motivation in carrying out these little exchanges with you.
So in response to my admittedly (and intentionally) "meaningless generalizations" you respond with... meaningless generalizations. Now either you are playing the same game I am (unlikely), or you are really ignorant of just how unable you are to see the forest for the trees.
You take particularly illogical and stubborn positions while accusing others of the same. It's this hypocrisy that draws me to you.
Nov 27, 2011
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How many French, Russian and UN officials aided Saddam to torture Iraqis?
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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They looked like somebody who had a big accident, he said.
He claims the role was part of compulsory military service and he had "no choice" and would have been killed if he had spoken out. "
http://www.telegr...tal.html
During the first Gulf War, thousands of Iraqi conscripts surrendered as soon as they could. They would be shot by their officers if they refused to fight.
BTW, Tillman volunteered.
Nov 27, 2011
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Right, that's why the ratings system bothers you so much.
Marjon, Tillman didn't volunteer to become a propaganda piece. Neither did his family.
So did the Tillman family put Bush through hell?
Nov 27, 2011
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And how many KUWAITI lives did Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis make a living hell before GHWBush sent American soldiers to Kuwait, AT THE INVITATION OF THE KUWAITI government, eh Herbfart? And how many lives did Cindy Sheehan ruin IN HER OWN FAMILY while she was out there playing the nutjob to show GWBush how much she hated him. eh, FrankHerbfartface? And how is it that it was the DEMOCRATS who were all for giving GWBush the OK to invade Iraq and take out Saddam, eh? AND, how is it that here it is, 3 years already since OBAMA was elected and. . . . . .
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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By that same logic, why should I believe that you made those generalizations intentionally?
If I cared about my rating I would never post about politics on a site infested with far lefties. I only wanted the rating system done away with since it is clearly broke, and meaningless.
You're the one with multiple screen names, rating yourself 5's to counter 1's from others.
Nov 27, 2011
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Reality. . . .LOL. . . .apparently you haven't met many AMERICAN environmentalist kooks like I have. Many of them are downright dangerous in their obsession with protecting the land. You don't mess with the American nutjobs. They'll sit in a GreenPeace boat and almost get killed trying to stop a whalehunting ship.
Nov 27, 2011
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Nov 27, 2011
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How old are you?
Umm... Iraq is all but over and is OFFICIALLY over by the end of this year. Are you ignorant? Bush neglected Afghanistan for most of his presidency because of his little foray into Iraq for who knows whatever reason (I don't claim to know but it's definitely not anything noumenon claims ;-) ) Afghanistan is also starting to wind down after Bush's mess was mopped up.
@Noumenon
Why should I believe that you... oh you still don't get it.
Nov 27, 2011
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"hey'll sit in a GreenPeace boat and almost get killed trying to stop a whalehunting ship."
That person, who will put his life on the line trying to stop whalehunting is a larger than life HERO in my book. First, there is no reason to hunt whales given they mostly consist of fats that could be made with "petroleum products". There is nothing in a whale should be eaten, given all of the turkey around here. And the whale is a real sentient being unlike the life forms found on Mars. The green peace whale watchers are there 1st, to stop ILLEGAL Whaling, but in international waters, "legal" whalers too!
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Do you think having US forces so close to Iran may have made its leaders a bit uncomfortable?
Earth Firsters set fire to an auto dealer and routinely put spikes in trees hoping to injure lumberjacks.
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If you really want to see injustice just look at what BP did to the Gulf of Mexico. Dead shit washing to shore everyday. Dead fishing and aquaculture all over. Even a dead tourist industry. That my oil/coal loving conservative is the Bush legacy, and the legacy of the CO2 lovers.
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""Umm... Iraq is all but over and is OFFICIALLY over by the end of this year. Are you ignorant? Bush neglected Afghanistan for most of his presidency because of his little foray into Iraq for who knows whatever reason (I don't claim to know but it's definitely not anything noumenon claims ;-) ) Afghanistan is also starting to wind down after Bush's mess was mopped up.""
Iraq is NOT over until the last soldier stationed over there comes home. . .and I DON'T mean in a body bag. Bush should never have sent soldiers into Afghanistan. That was ONE of his biggest mistakes. The Russians were fighting in Afghanistan for YEARS and they had NEVER been able to conquer those people, and they gave up after so many Russian lives lost.
Nov 27, 2011
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There is only one word that completely describes this rant:
BIGOT
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Really? Where? Data?
Nov 27, 2011
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Conservatives eat their children.
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The Aussies don't know our environmentalist kooks and what they're capable of doing in their blind hatred of anything that comes near trees, whales, endangered owls, or lizards. I was pointing out that the tree huggers can get vicious and will possibly kill to save a little fish. Aussies don't know that.
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BP means BRITISH PETROLEUM. They were licensed by the U.S. government to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico under GWBush, Obama, and possibly other Presidents. Since the BP oil spill, no American companies had been licensed to drill anywhere in the U.S. as far as I know. Maybe Alaska. GWBush was never a Conservative. A Conservative would never have sent soldiers to die in Afghanistan. The last Conservative President was Ronald Reagan and there has been no others since.
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This is a classic conservative trick. Make a racist statement (usually mocking ebonics exactly how pirouette did) then when called on it, claim the other person is racist for acknowledging the existence of racism. Acknowledging the existence of racism does not make one racist. Sorry.
Nov 27, 2011
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"A sober review of Reagan's presidency doesn't yield the seamlessly conservative record being peddled today. Federal government expanded on his watch. The conservative desire to outlaw abortion was never seriously pursued. Reagan broke with the hardliners in his administration and compromised with the Soviets on arms control. His assault on entitlements never materialized; instead he saved Social Security in 1983. And he repeatedly ignored the fundamental conservative dogma that taxes should never be raised."
http://www.washin...een.html
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As recent history has shown, conservatism has nothing to do with the size of government. It never did. Conservatism has everything to do with oppressing "the other".
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Its because they are not at at home with the Right Wing parents anymore.
Thus speaks an Libertarian Idealist. Please see Marjon for an even more radical idealist.
SOme do become cynical because they gave up their ideals instead of simply adapting to reality.
That is not what you said.
That is not relative to Liberal. Progressive is relative, despite Marjon's lies, Moderate is relative. Conservatives have often simply given up thinking of others.
Ethelred
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That just shows what CHICKEN HAWK really are then!
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Pirouette must be drinking. I'll note, I've never called R2 a racist.
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IMHO, young people are natural rebels against their parents' values, whether they're right or wrong. Kids just have to go opposite of what they've been taught. . . .I guess it's the "rite of passage" or something like that.
Nov 27, 2011
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Well it seems Pirouette has reached a breaking point.
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Liberals actually put people to work.
Mice Check anyone?
Nov 27, 2011
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LOL. . . .FrankHerbfart is telling lies again. I never use that "N" word. I don't like it and I am insulted by it. Frank, you skank. go get a life.
Nov 28, 2011
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Did you miss the fact that Reagan understood the value of deficit spending?
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Howhot, I have no idea of what you're talking about. First of all, I have no desire to send any PMs (personal message) to FrankHerbfart since I and many others here at Physorg consider him a loathsome creature who has several different user names. Second, he has sent ME a PM within the past hour and I have no intention of viewing the contents and am looking for a way to delete the 2 messages.
And who the hell is R2 anyway? I know Rygg2, but i don't know any R2.
And what peril are you talking about? Is that a threat?
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Flame fest; Unfortunately; see
http://www.bbc.co...15869683
Pretty soon the bots like PureFruit will be AI driven and we will see wars where Liberal Bot and the not-worthy of a reply Bot duel it out. So you want to shut off debate on the validity of research that says "that global warming is real and that increases in atmospheric CO2 will have multiple serious impacts."
Purefruit must be a looser because he can't even stay on topic.
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Obviously, no one is paying Pirouette for his insane, racist ramblings.
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Purefruit must be a looser because he can't even stay on topic.
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Howhot$hit. . . .looks like you and FrankHerb$hit are in LOOOOOVE. You guys into anal sex? Someone here just said that you like some CO2 up yo azz first. Is that true?
Nov 28, 2011
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Ahhhh. . . .you know me so well, don'tcha?
presentinggggg our new loving couple. . .FrankHerb$hit and Howhot$hit. . .two of the most UNfriendly ratazzes in the whole wide world
Nov 28, 2011
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"
Then all I did was invite him/her and her bros and friends to come meet my fam from Sicily and allofasudden. . .he/she chickens out. What am I supposed to do?
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http://www.youtub...Ate3Itjs
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http://en.wikiped...from_job
And just in case...
http://en.wikiped...Scotsman
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Now we all KNOW that FrankHerb$hit been chasing after Nou and looking for Nou in every thread he goes into cuz he LIKES Nou and wants his body. . . .but Nou don't go for dat $hit. He gots his ol' lady all to hisself and is very happy wif her. . .heheheheheh
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Let the maps of war be drawn!
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The facts will come out the way they are not the way we want them to. This study indicates that previous predictions are based on a model which isn't correct. This *is* science and the answer is to improve the model and try again.
The climate will change, it always has, it was foolish and naive to think it would stay the same.
Nov 28, 2011
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I know some guys in Attica that I can introduce you to.
I also know some hacks that can arrange for your making conjugal visits :D
Nov 28, 2011
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THE DEBATE IS OVER. AGW (that is anthropogenic global warming or simply human created global warming) is real, and will have a huge impact on everyone. In fact I see the global pull back in the markets caused by not banking concerns, but more like AGW concerns. If 15 year into the future Florida large tracks of Florida or Louisiana are underwater from melting glaciers where do people invest?
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He likes my name Pirouette so much but he can't spell it. . .so he make his other name Pirouline.
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He has yet to explain how conservatives ... like pro-create. I just can't explain it either. Have you ever looked at them? Yeeesh.
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see dat? I KNEW dey was something strange about Howhot$hit. . .he/she/it don't know how humans make love. . . .Howhot$hit be straight out of da Mothership for sure.
Nov 28, 2011
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Naw.. it wasn't an earthquake, it was pinkfruit doing a represent of his "conservative" credentials.
Nov 28, 2011
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More dubious caricatures, that look suspiciously like paranoid nightmare pinkos from RightWing fantasy.
You sure have that part down. So little understanding in that.
Mean = parsimonious in a selfish way. And big business is somewhat inherently for the rich. My you like to act like Marjon. Where are the silly quotes from the utter wackjobs?
Or just plain greed to want join in at the trough.>>
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Many. Others just lie about being religious.
That's mostly Catholics who tend to be a bit more liberal at that. Atheists and Agnostics don't bother with paying a parasite to give a tiny fraction to the actual poor.
Ethelred
Nov 28, 2011
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Another small earthquake has been reported in Oklahoma. It must be frankHerb$hit so forcefully farting it registers there. I guess it another Oklahoma earthquake that wasn't caused by fracking.
Naw.. it wasn't an earthquake, it was Howhot$hit doing a represent of his "Mothership" credentials.
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Ethelred
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I would say there is no such thing except the Supreme Court in a massively insane decision decided corporations are people and there are people that don't pay taxes. The rest of us do. Even that utter parasite Leona Helmsley paid some taxes before she was prosecuted for evading most of them.
You have made that false claim before and got called on it. Its time you stopped that particular fairy story.
I am poor.
I pay taxes.
You tell a lot of lies. The only question is whether it is intentional or delusional.
Ethelred
Nov 28, 2011
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It was really bad politics and got Americans killed to root out nonexistent weaponry and to show that Bush had bigger Dick than his daddy. Dick Chaney.
And the long term strategy was inept. Mostly due to Bush. Now Obama has the mess he left behind to deal with. Even so the only sound strategy is to get out. If the religious wackjobs can't stop killing each other then at least we won't have to worry about them killing anyone else. I think the best policy is to say 'we are leaving, starting right now so you better figure out how to live peacefully as we are not going spill our blood trying to save you anymore'.
He is the one that pressured the CIA into making up nonsense to support the claim of Weapon Of Massive Paranoia.
Ethelred
Nov 28, 2011
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1 bullshit
2 crap
3 insane rant
4 paranoid delusions that you made up - actually that goes all the points as none of it is even remotely real.
So I think easier respond with an algorithm.
Program Paranoid Delusion
X = 1
Insane rant = literal string of insanity with random massively paranoid fear based fantasy taken from database of a collection of Marjon's Ann Rand fueled fantasies.
PRINT X
PRINT ') '
PRINT RND (Insane rant)
PRINT CR
X = X 1
IF X < APOPLEXY
THEN GOTO Paranoid Delusion
ELSE END
Ethelred
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Hypocrite.
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No that is not quite right.
I KNOW you didn't understand.
EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THE UNITED STATES pays taxes barring very young children that have never bought anything except food and a few of the really wacked out hide in the back of beyond and farm types.
Actually this even includes the corporations that don't pay corporate taxes but the amounts paid are trivial in comparison to those that are poor.
Ethelred
Nov 28, 2011
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There seems a definite lack of observational skills where Pirooutte is concerned. I know the non-sequitors, insane rants, and general lack of any signs of rational thought might be getting in the way here on this BUT it is pretty clear that pirouette is FEMALE. Barring the possibility of screwed up hormones of course.
Ethelred
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Relax pal. . .he'll get his sometime.
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@Ethelred, yes, most everyone pays taxes,.. I meant to say the lower 40% pays no income taxes. It might be better if you didn't chop up my quotes into such little pieces. Despite what you say I think you know there was an element of truth wrt the young and tendency toward liberalism.
P.S. Entry into the Iraq war was not founded on "lies" about wmd's. That is a over simplification.
Nov 28, 2011
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when I am absolutely sure about something, I welcome anyone to try to point out the nonexistant flaws. when an idea is bulletproof, theres no need to fear counter arguments. "denialists" can legitimately voice their opinions without being called names. (Denialist, for example is a reference to holocaust DENIERS. its derrogatory. its not a fair rebuttal to start off with "denialist Tard!")
ugghh and the politics! gheeed! this is physorg for god's sake
Nov 28, 2011
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Actually the strongest countries backing the Euro are the socialist countries, while the failing nations entertained free-market privatization and real-estate ponzi schemes. And the banksters have selected fascists to oversee Greek austerity measures. http://exiledonli...octrine/ How did that work out for Hitler, ryggesogn2? Did you get value from those conservative bankers? Your moneys worth?
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In the second invasion Saddam promised to sell Iraqi oil in euros, threatening the US reserve currency status whereby they destroy economies worldwide with useless paper bucks economies are forced to trade.
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Keep telling yourself that lie.
Hayek points out it was quite easy for Germans to become national socialists because they were already socialists.
No corporation pays taxes. It is a cost of doing business that must be paid by their customers, if they want to make a profit and stay in business.
Nov 28, 2011
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Which nicely illustrates that Hayek is a historical revisionist with more than a few screws loose.
No consumer pay taxes. it is a cost of living that must be paid by their employers.
Nov 28, 2011
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The more dead Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan the better it is for the rest of the world.
No honest, thinking, moral individual could possibly disagree with that statement.
Nov 28, 2011
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Yup. That is a historical fact, another Inconvenient Truth that American Conservatives can't accept.
And the fact that the modern Neo-Nazi groups in the U.S. and Europe continue to share their core ideology with their Conservative brothers... Well that is something to be ignored isn't it?
In America the closest thing to outright Fascism is Libertarianism, at least by the definition used by Mussolini.
Nov 28, 2011
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Feh. The adolescence of P1.
Nov 28, 2011
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Govt control of private property is socialism. Whether the govt outright owns the property, like AMTRAK or GM or GSEs or if they control the property with onerous regulations, the govt owns the property and is socialism.
I don't disagree the USA has been becoming more socialistic since the 'progressive' era began over 100 years ago.
Govt control is govt control regardless of who is running the govt.
Hayek dedicated The Road to Serfdom to socialists of all parties.
Nov 28, 2011
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Not being satisfied with historical revisionism, the Libertarian Tard Boy now begins his rewrite if the dictionary.
Unlike our unemployed Libertarian "friends", some of us prefer honesty.
Nov 28, 2011
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It is a steady drip, drip, drip, ....just like a Venereal Disease, and the victims of the socialist disease keep getting sicker.
Nov 28, 2011
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Lies? Look it up your self. To be more accurate I should have said 'no income tax'. In 2009 something like 46% paid no income tax.
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"... taxes at all"
The "mod" must be a mod-bot or is extremely lazy, because there is a lot of non-sense posts above still.
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Most people don't bother and they become "reactionaries". just hitting out at the system they have been led to believe is so bad, but they don't SEE the corruption where it really is.
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The bottom 40% of Wage Earners pay no fed income tax,... Liberals only whine about the top 5% who pay the majority of tax revenue to the gov.
The only capitalism Obama understands is cronny capitalism; GE paid zero tax on their billions in profit last year!! Can't blame republicans for that.
Nov 28, 2011
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Ebonics is really just a piece of Americana that's easy to pick up if you're not careful. My daughter-inlaw once said that they sound like "meow meow meow"
Nov 28, 2011
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Meaningless post void of actual content. One can say the same about some posting non-sense about conservatives and capitalism. Besides VD and likely kockevnik are actually, at least, socialists, probably at their own admission. So go find something shiny to play with.
Nov 28, 2011
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Nou. . .I've found that chronic Liberalism is a set of ideas in the brains of diehard Liberals/Socialists that cannot be budged even by a stick of dynamite. No matter how hard anyone tries to inform these people of the true facts, they DON'T WANT TO KNOW IT. Your insistence on informing them of the reality doesn't faze them at all. Their Liberalism is like a brick wall and they don't WANT to tear it down. They OWN it, don't you see? It's their pride and joy.
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Pirouette, you really have a poor understanding of... well everything.
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I think significantly more revenue is derived from their subsidized windmill programs. They also contributed to the ban on light bulbs.
Note GE is moving their medical imaging business outside the US to avoid Obamacare taxes on medical devices.
Nov 28, 2011
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Pirouette, you know VERY little about what we Australians know/think. Our Conservative Oppostion leader Tony Abbot takes his 'cue' directly from YOUR 'wrecking'/ 'just say no' Conservative strategists. And like them, Tony is a hypocrite and liar and will do/say anything to 'wreck' solutions and deceive the public for personal/political gain. Example: Tony Abbot wants a NEW election because we have a MINORITY Labour govt.....but HYPOCRITE Tony does NOT 'advise' his Conservative British and New Zealand (Conservative Minority govts) chums to 'go back to the people'. Selfish Liar Hypocrite.
And if it wasn't for 'Greenies', you/your family would by now be swimming in pollution. And like I said, 'extremists' of ANY kind are dangerous.....even your very own home grown 'far right' nutcases. So don't throw stones or presume to speak for us Australians. OK?
Cheers....and Peace.
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Nov 28, 2011
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http://www.ge.com...2011.pdf
Nov 28, 2011
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Humm sounds like "Promote the General Welfare" to me.
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How about you practice what you preach and stop speaking for all us Australians. You might want to check the results of the last election before you go off spouting your one sided leftie non-sense in support of JuLIAR and her insane intent of destroying the many successful economic and social outcomes that had the LNP and John Howard as the second longest serving government and Prime Minister in our political history.
As for the 'Greenies' they are dead meat at the next election. Wiped out into political oblivion and the commie Labor party reduced to insignificance.
Pirouette has as much right as you to comment, especially as you are so quick to bag US politics. I may not agree with Pirouette but you, RealityCheck, are just a misguided, narrow minded dimwit.
Piss off.
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But I'm sad for your political predicament. I guess that we all have our own "cross" to bear, eh?
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Class warfare income redistribution does not promote general welfare. It promotes general discord and strife.
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In the US and I suspect many other countries, it is the govt that has been the largest polluter and pollution has been on public or communal property, not private property.
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Daauuh R2. Of course class warfare doesn't promote anything; except the idea that the oppressed have power and that power should not be under estimated. The wealth mis-distribution is incredibly bad for a progressive society. A progressive liberal society our founding fathers envisioned and placed into law via the constitution and bill of rights.
Nov 28, 2011
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LOL. . . .moving their medical division overseas, eh? I see a bit of irony in that. True, if they were FORCED to pay taxes here on those products, they would have to charge a small fortune to sell their wares. They will hire cheap labor and have low overhead expenses. Sure can't blame GE. . .THEY know what's coming and they be scaaaaared.
It's almost like a protection racket with GE and the Obama government. Big money passed around. The Unions getting their cut which pays for the DNC and Obama protection of GE. Really amazing $hit going on in this country.
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:)
I thinks to mahsef. . .dis Howhot$hit and dat FrankHerb$hit just be BIIIIG troublemakers. . .trying to get a RISE out of somebody wif dey racist accusations dat don' even make no sense. Ah just KNOWS dey gonna hit SOMEbody up fo some money sometime.
Nov 28, 2011
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In the meantime I can just imagine the press reports of me found with an American lady in a red silk nightdress, a stolen car and alleged love affair with Vendi .. how strange .. that sounds very much like a successful politician !
If we do get substantial global warming through climate change then the classic Sicilian retribution of someone 'sleeping with the fishes' might be difficult to implement. Maybe no fish! Oh of course, lets feed Howhot to tropical Piranhas.
@Howhot, don't upset me now. Move on while you still can.
@FrankH, you are clearly a smart bloke. Lay off the insulting crap when you disagree with others, its not always funny. You are clearly capable of advanced reasoning and I often find you a valuable contributor to these comments. Let some things slide.
Nov 28, 2011
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now now, blue. . . .doncha know by now HowHot$hit and his butt buddy FrankHerb$hit be getting off on all this talk in here? dey even come away from here wif a snicker or two
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Then don't talk. Keep your ears open and mouth shut. Its still possible that you too have something worthwhile to say. Or did you want the world to think all Aussies are total shit heads?
Move on, I expect there are more productive views to discuss on other subjects.
Nov 28, 2011
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And what dat Howhot$hit be yammering about some kind of N label and reap and sow. He crazy or sumpin? Must be. . .cuz ah NEVER sent no PM to dat nutjob troublemaker FrankHerb$hit and he be a lyin sumabitch
Nov 29, 2011
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Now I gots me a young girl friend and you is telling me that she put on her red silk nightie and be going out wif Venditurd in his stolen car? Dat bad, man. . . .I don want HER no mo.
Nov 29, 2011
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Pirouette can't even stay in character for more than a few posts at a time.
Gives new meaning to the slogan "Hire the handicapped; they're fun to watch."
Nov 29, 2011
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I sure don't know much about Australia except that there's wallabys and kangaroos, etc. and that you don't have a President. . .a prime minster, I think . .But, if things get too bad in my own country and yours is still pretty normal, you MIGHT see a big influx of Conservative Americans applying for visas and permanent residency. The political climate in my own country is getting really stupid. Mayors of big and small cities are kowtowing to the great unwashed Socialist rabble who would tear their grandmothers apart to get at their gold fillings these days. Social unrest by the welfare gimme gimme crowd are stinking up public parks and defecating all over the place. . .nastiness prevails. . .
I would like to know that you are going to pursue public office. Maybe you can help make this a better world.
Nov 29, 2011
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Why don't you direct that advice at your new house guest / political adviser?
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Hi bluehigh.
Televised Republican Debates show the intelligence/integrity/sanity (not) in US conservative politics now. I merely point it out to pirouette because he seems confused as to the reality on the ground there.
If you really are Australian, you should know and acknowledge Tony Abbot's 'Mr No' wrecking and lying Hypocrisy etc.
Australia weathered the GFC well because Labour came into govt during the crucial time; the Libs/conservatives would have done nothing, and SERIOUS recession would be the reality here NOW.
Aussie farmers now see 'greenies' as allies against rapacious/polluting corporations. Go figure!
Look to your own biases, mate. :)
Cheers...and Peace.
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Nov 29, 2011
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We avoided the GFC because we are selling our resources as fast as possible to fund handouts to scum like you. Tony Abbott (do try spell the mans name correctly you ignorant turd, after all he is a Rhodes scholar and a bit more educated than you), would win a popular vote by a landslide if an election was held now and likely will win in the future. You are the one seriously confused. Go grab your dole money you sponge, do your drugs and piss off. Keep it up matey and I'll show you just how much us real Aussies give a shit about pretentious little pricks like you.
I think that was reasonable and balanced comment or RealityCheck did you want to take this further. Best you shut ya face and move on.
@FrankH, agreed. Pirouette you too - let this shit slide. We all need to get along somehow.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
1000 character limit. Convince Physorg to change it. I didn't change the meaning and the entire original is just up the page. If you find that the quotes show you as something you would prefer not to be seen as then change the way think about people. I found your statements quite appalling and in no way mere realism.
Despite that protestation of innocence you still accused those that don't think as you of either being young, what a horrible thing, or "you have no brains". If you don't like the way that makes you look CHANGE and not just the appearance.>>
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
Yes.
You didn't so you lied. I pointed it before so you knew better.
And they paid taxes anyway. They didn't pay INCOME TAX because greedy assholes sent the production jobs overseas where they not only pay crap they often pay crap to kids.>>
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
You did. You did NOT say what Pirouette said.
I find it hard to believe that you told the same lie twice to me and thought you would get away with after I already called you on it once.
Because Bush made it that way and because they have no spare money.
They have the spare money. Much of it from underpaying the other 40%.
They made the present tax laws. So yes I can.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
I think you need to give her a different login and she should have her account.
Now the questions just which of you made all those batshit insane posts. I suspect both assuming there a is a both and not just two personalities in one body.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (15)
Dems conrolled Congress from 2006-2010.
Dems had WH and Congress from 2008 to 2010.
Dems have FULL responsibility now.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (39)
You seem more interested in characterizing me as telling a lie than the point in question. I said "lower class pay zero taxes". When someone says the lower class pays no taxes, it should be obvious what it meant.
How so? How should I have said it?
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (6)
At this point it is about as meaniful as this thread
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
It is STUPID to make things worse out of laziness. It is NOT extreme to consider what would happen if Antarctica should mostly melt as has happened in the past. It would drown all the coastal cities.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4 / 5 (11)
Yes. It was. That is why it was reprehensible. I am NOT lower class than you simply because I make less money.
Boy if there was ever something that deserved the responce of 'if you don't allready know you are never going to'.
Classes are for assholes that still think like Brits. You claim to be an American.
Start acting like one. Not one of the damned Yahooligans either. Rejoin the human race.
I don't know who is worse. You or Vendicar. You make VD look better than he deserves.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
Tuff. They bastardized and misused AGW.
Tard is one persons behavior. A troll at that.
That is a strange way to put it on a science site. Which god? In any probably nonexistent deities have nothing to do with it. If you want to see really batshit insane stuff try looking at the Yahooligans.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.8 / 5 (39)
Right so that's not a oversimplification!!!? LOL
The point of congress voting was to provide an independent assessment of the issue. If these votes were contingent on anything Bush said, they would have been redundant.
To properly understand Iraq one has to carefully examine the history in detail. The hysterical hate-Bush zombies just want to say "no wmd's = Bush lied", an oversimplification. The inputting that mattered is that the majority of the world thought Saddam had them, despite the UN inspectors meaningless hide-n-seek game.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (10)
It pretty much covers the real reason. There was no good reason. That leaves personality issues.
No. The point was the Constitution required it. The problem was Congress was kept in the dark and fed shit.
Nonsense. He was responsible for the bad information that Congress given.
Yes. In this case the main bit of history is the Bush the Competent In Diplomacy didn't invade Iraq. Bush the Utterly Incompetent was pissed about that.
Idiots want to pretend that he did not lie.>>
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.2 / 5 (10)
No you can't con me with dubious 'facts'. And I am NOT a liberal though there is nothing wrong in being one. Disagreeing with batshit insane RightWingNutRetainerClips does not make me a liberal. It makes me sane.
You have that covered.
I do. 38 members of the Reagan-Bush administration were convicted. Two were later overturned leaving, a still by far, record of 36 convictions, mostly for corruption and malfeasance in office. At the Federal level it is the people that have no respect for the government that have done the most stealing and that is Republicans.
You try looking deeper. I already did.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (9)
Ladies and Gentlemen: I rest my case!
Cheers....and Peace.
.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.3 / 5 (12)
Quoting for posterity.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (10)
I find it's always best to separate the two parts of Congress into the HOUSE of Representatives, and the SENATE, even they are both basically of the same Legislative body. THAT way those who aren't aware of our system will have a better idea of the percentages of Republicans as opposed to Demorats in Congress, and in which years there were a majority or a minority of either Party.
2010 saw a majority of Republicans elected to the HOUSE, while there remains a majority of Demorats in the Senate. There is one Demorat in the Senate who has now decided not to run for reelection in 2012. There may be other Demorats in either House or Senate that will not run either, but as yet, I haven't heard of others. 2012 will be an exciting year for politics. I hope common sense will prevail in voters.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.8 / 5 (16)
No choice is also a choice.
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
Yes. . .LOL. . . .I recall that rich Demorat political whore Nancy Pelosi saying that the only way to find out what's IN the Health Care bill is to VOTE for it first. WOW. . . .what a piece of work THAT was.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (15)
""In 2009 something like 46% paid no income tax.
Ethelred says:
And they paid taxes anyway. They didn't pay INCOME TAX because greedy assholes sent the production jobs overseas where they not only pay crap they often pay crap to kids.>>""
Greedy? When a business is forced by Unions (with the full backing of the government), to pay high salaries and expensive benefits to workers who believe they cannot be fired no matter WHAT they do and the businesses are pushed over their financial brink also by ridiculous and senseless rules and regulations by the government? GREEDY? You people seem to forget that JOBS ARE NOT A RIGHT. Jobs are ONLY made available when businesses require workers for PRODUCTION OF A PRODUCT OR A SERVICE.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (14)
In the above link, the employers found the evidence too overwhelming and fired their asses forthwith. But many other companies did not have enough evidence of wrongdoing and, instead, packed up and moved overseas where the Chinese managers make SURE that the work gets done. The Red Chinese don't stand for $hit from their workers. Either you work productively or you're out of a job. And there's plenty more looking for a job. They don't mess around in those countries like they do in the U.S.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (14)
Not defending GWBush's choices, but the fact that every time the U.N. Inspectors led by that milquetoast decided that they were going to inspect the Iraqi sites for WMDs, they made sure first to ANNOUNCE the coming inspection well in advance of their visit to the Iraqis. With so much time and given the advance warning, Saddam and his military had PLENTY of time to HIDE any WMDs.
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (14)
Don't forget where Saddam was found. . .in a hole in the ground in the desert.
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
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Hans Blix was the milquetoast I was referring to, the lead U.N. Inspector. HE made CERTAIN that the Iraqis could MOVE any WMDs they had into the desert long before the arrival of the inspectors. He may as well have put up a bell tower also to ring the bell when the inspectors were approaching the site. He sure gave them plenty of warning. What a schmuck
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
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Oh, o.k.,..I see now, ..you seemed to have taken "lower class" as if Thurston Howell would have used the phrase,.. as a value judgement .. while clearly given context I'm meant 'lower class with respect to income'. P.s. I am not in the upper class.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (14)
The double standards in American politics is appalling and destructive. But it all falls in line with Obama's desire to destroy our country. . .with whatever means necessary.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (10)
I am not concerned about your alleged girlfriend. I was pointing out that no knows which post is which person and that assuming there is another person.
For that matter I am not concerned about you. Anyone that thinks Glen Beck was anything but a lying SOB is an idiot. Man couldn't even get the something as simple as the Constitution right. Seems to managed to skip over the fact that the Feds are in charge of Interstate trade at the very least.
The Republicans made the present tax laws. Start taking responsibility for your party's actions.
Ethelred
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (33)
Odd how this honest business man and his honest business paid multiple women to keep quiet about accusations of sexual harrasment against him.
And then there is the mistress who has just showed up at his doorstep.
Now if he were only obsessed with porn, Long Dong Silver, and vaginal fisting, he would make a perfect replacement for U.S. supreme court Judge Clarence "Is that a pubic hair I see on my coke can?" Thomas.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.6 / 5 (39)
Sorry. you are factually misinformed. Intel was responsible for the "bad information". The point of Congress in voting for war is absolutely to make an independent analysis and decision. You are asking me to believe that an anti-Bush congress would have subordinated themselves to what ever Bush said!? Doesn't work that way.
I gave a list of democrats above that believed fully that Saddam had WMD's and was a threat, and I can provide quotes. That's all that matters, what people thought,.. because the history of the subject lead to that point.
The best that UN inspectors could have said is that "we didn't find wmd's",... NOT "there are no wmd's in Iraq".
The only way the lidiot left could have "logically" made the claim that Bush lied about wmd's ,.. was to invade the country and look!!
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
I was impressed by what he said and I BELIEVE HIM. You should too.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (2)
As for what anti-conservatives say or do it cannot be helped. The best that can be hoped for is to maintian our cool and provide a good example of educated discourse. Perhaps there are some that will be impressed enough by the maturity and civility of our discourse to actually read posted links and consider the data provided.
One of the best ways to discredit a group is to have them considered extreme or radical. The use of extreme and radical language assists them in labelling conservatives as such. Consider this:
http://www.physor...eme.html
Yes, the double standard exists and it is appalling. But we are grown up adults here, by now we know that life isn't fair.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
It seems to me that YOU are equating successful Black men with sexual promiscuity because they are not Liberals or Socialists, but instead have succeeded in life due to their own intelligence and willingness to work hard.
Or is it that you just don't like Black men and wish to keep them in their place, eh?
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.6 / 5 (39)
I'm not pretending,.. er wait,....
You're using liberal logic, which is rather messy and emotional.
Let's use conservative logic. In order for Bush to have lied about wmd's being in Iraq,.. he would have to have known that there were in fact NO wmd's in Iraq,.. because at one time there actually was wmd's in Iraq by Saddams own admittance and documented use.
Only Saddam was responsible for accounting for wmd's,.. Bush was NOT responsible for there being wmd's or not being wmd's in Iraq, ever.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4 / 5 (5)
While I'm not in the position to presume guilt or innocence, I am in a position to observe there is an aweful lot of smoke on the "Cain Train" for there not to be any fire.
Sadly I'm in a position where I don't think any person in either American main party is worth my vote. Every one I see seems to either be highly incompetent or to have sold themselves out for political gain. It's sad to have to vote for whomever I think will do the least amount of damage to my country.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (15)
It doesn't stop the 'liberal'/socialist.
It is demonstrable the 'liberals' are racist. Race, gender, sexual orientation,.... dominates their view of voters.
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
ooops. . .dinner time. . .bbl
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (41)
Again, this is patently false, and demonstrates that you, like FrankHubris, are ignorant of the history of this. The worlds knowledge of Saddam and WMDs did not hinge on the CIA, but rather documented history, Saddam's own words, and brutal actions against his own people and Iran.
The UN passed resolutions calling for Saddam to demonstrate the destruction those stockpiles (he admitted to having). Saddam failed to provide proof of this.
It's likely he wanted to retain some fear in his neighbors, and to prevent them from thinking he was completely neutered. Or he could have been clueless. Irrelevant.
.....
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (16)
Ethelred""
I am not a Republican and never have been. Early on, I understood that there is corruption and misguided choices in both the Demorat and Republican Parties. Neither party has been corruption free, even though there are also good, honest people in both parties who only want the best for the people and the country. But THOSE people are more Conservative and less Liberal even though they happen to be running on the Demorat Party ticket. AND there are so-called Republicans who are "Republican in Name Only" (RINO). So I avoid either party.
As far as Beck goes, I agree with 98% of what he says. But he sucks up to Jews and Israel a bit too much to be normal, as though Israel is far more important than is the U.S. I understand that one of the reasons for that would be that Beck is a member of the LDS church. That is my only issue with him. He is a nice guy anyway and that's importan
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (40)
Idiots and cowards at the UN wanted to make it all about whether Saddam happened to have WMD's available in the stock room then. So they took the expected limp wrist approach the UN usually does,... and asked Saddam, 'please sir lead us to your illegal weapon depot, won't you please?'. Preposterous.
By themselves the WMD's are harmless. The concern was the mentality that would use them against innocent people, or manufacture more once UN resolutions expired. Saddam (in outright slaughtering 5,000 Kurdish), proved impossible to trust in a post 911 world.
It was an opportunity. Iraq provided a base right next to Iran. Kadaffi wet his pants and gave up his wmd's. It was demonstrated to Iran that we are willing and able...
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
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You are correct that Liberals are racists. They're ALWAYS considering race in almost every conversation and issue. They look for racism and bigotry in other people, searching for any word that might condemn the person speaking as a racist and/or bigot, and there are times when they can't find it, they will fabricate it by telling lies without valid proof so that everyone else thinks it's true. Herman Cain is suffering such lies, even though it's not racial. David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, has put at least one woman up to lying about Cain making sexual advances, obviously in the hopes that Cain will drop out of the run for President. That poor man had the best chance of all to win.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
http://online.wsj...360.html
Nov 29, 2011
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Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.5 / 5 (13)
This is one of those "common sense" toe the line talking points of theirs. Racism is all but formally defined for them as "use of the 'n' word (because remember don't say it!) It doesn't matter what is in your heart, as long as you don't say that word! That's all you gotta remember!"
This way they can make all sorts of points about rap and other cultural phenomena as black people (and those who sympathize with them) are "the real racists".
Just look at Pirouette's pages and pages of Ebonics. It's obvious he is mocking...
*TRAP SPRUNG*
Pirouette: "I wasn't mocking anyone! You said that not me! You're the racist! I have a mulatto ex wife! See!!!!!"
If it's not obvious to you it never will be.
Nice attempt at disinformation with the whole PM bs. The communists would be proud of you.
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 4.3 / 5 (11)
Nov 29, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
I think one of the reasons for Demorats abandoning blue collar workers (especially WHITE blue collar workers) is that blue collar workers don't have the kind of money to donate to the DNC and support Obama's campaign for reelection. They're too worried about losing their jobs in the private sector (Obama HATES the private sector) that they are trying to SAVE every extra penny they earn for if and when it happens. Obama and his regime are butt buddies with rich corporations like GE and GM so that they can hit them up for a fortune in "donations" for campaigning Demorats. Unions pay a fortune also to Dems for protection against corporations firing their union members and so that GE doesn't break its contractual agreements with the unions. It's a big "protection racket" all around. As has been said before, GE don't pay no taxes no mo' to da gummint.
Nov 30, 2011
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Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (13)
Ex wife? I don't have an ex wife. FrankHerbert is insane. . .LOL
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 3.9 / 5 (14)
Forget your Alzheimer's meds? Or are you a liar? Or... what?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (33)
Why? It hasn't been reported yet, but he just quit his presidential bid.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.7 / 5 (35)
What is even funnier is that I was called a "Racist" by a Tea Bagger yesterday because I insulted the "TeaBagger Race".
The ConservaTard turnips don't fall far from the turnip truck do they?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4 / 5 (12)
Conservative leaders are brilliant with their word games, their followers... not so much.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (9)
I think he's just trying to uptick the emotions as the USA reviews KOSOVO and the actions necessary to mitigate global CO2 emissions. Yeap 115F in TX everyday for summer months sounds really pleasant. I mean, how do you drill-a-baby-drill when it is that hot?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4.1 / 5 (13)
http://marscritte...esults=7
LOOK AT THIS STUPID SHIT!
"It also appears that at least one of the tools on the Spirit's arm has cut open the little pie-shaped creature that is within the porthole-like round object on the rock. The creature has a face with 2 eyes, a possible nose and a mouth. It is apparently dead. It is hard to say whether or not the cutting open of the creature can be counted as murder...The Rover has to be held blameless.
...the scientists who guided the Rover's actions had to have seen the Being and should have stopped the killing...I consider it a very bad start for Mars exploration and a terrible shame and waste of a life."
IT'S A ROCK!! ARE YOU SCHIZO?!
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4 / 5 (12)
The rock is dwarfed by the Spirit Rover and it (the rock) may have been bounced upon by the rover when it landed on Mars, bouncing many times inside its protective balloon before it rolled to a stop.
This is merely conjecture on my part, but it is a possibility since the occupants of this "rock" appear to have died, either by the glassy covering being broken, which let their atmosphere dissipate, or the Spirit's balloon bounced upon it, causing trauma and death."
Mini-Martians in glass-terrariums that just happen to look exactly like rocks.
"This shows the round pea-like objects lying on the ground. Scientists haven't yet discovered the objects' origin or purpose, but I think that they may be insect egg casings or waste matter produced by insects or a higher lifeform."
AHHHHHHHH!
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (9)
Guess you missed the tape of Dubbya explaining the off the record reason, didn't you.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4.7 / 5 (12)
You went off the rail as soon as you described those nut cases as being "good people."
Charlatans all.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4.6 / 5 (11)
Good thing I invested heavily in tin foil a while ago.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 3.9 / 5 (14)
He'll pretty much plug his ears and repeat "it doesn't matter. It's all Saddam's fault for Bush thinking he had those non-existent weapons. All Saddam had to do was prove a negative. What a dummy! I actually believe he has suitcase nukes buried in the desert because I gave Pirouette a 5 for that comment. LOL!"
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (14)
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 3.9 / 5 (15)
ROTFL SO FUNNY
Get it?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.7 / 5 (17)
Some states are want their state funded school districts to report on the number of illegal alien students they are trying to educate. But the 'liberals' become quite upset at this. Why?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (15)
The phenomenon above is explained by the "acknowledging racism makes you a racist meme. Affirmative action acknowledges past racism, so it's obviously racist itself," goes the thought. It's ingenious in its simplicity. Everyone knows the first step towards fixing a problem is acknowledging it, and yet what is virtually the number 1 rule of conservatism? Never mention racism unless its the racism of the other side after they brought it up first so you look a little more credible.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (16)
It is interesting how skin color is discussed in the black community.
Acknowledging racism is a good first step. Affirmative action is state sponsored racism,sexism, etc.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4.1 / 5 (13)
Why can't you acknowledge that white Americans have been particularly adept at institutionalizing it?
Translation: "Blacks are the real racists." - Marjon
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (15)
What a surprise!
So are Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Germans, .....
But it is the 'liberal' that accuses his opponents of racism early and often.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 4 / 5 (12)
Just read that sentence a few times if you've ever agreed with anything Marjon has to say.
He made a joke out of the concept of equal opportunity, then virtually verbatim came out and said "blacks are the real racists". Is anyone going to deny my analysis of this meme now? Marjon is so incapable of critical self thought he cannot come up with a single comment that doesn't tank his entire ideology. It's ridiculous.
Why do I argue with these people?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (16)
The only time 'liberals' ignore the color of someone's skin or gender is if they oppose socialism as Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, and other ungrateful minorities who has escaped the 'progressive' plantation have done.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 3.6 / 5 (40)
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (13)
www.infowars.com/...he-ndaa/
Although our society is unstable, I hope politicians are not so foolish as use the National Defense Authorization Act to try to stay in power.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (10)
YOU seem the gullible one...parroting your media 'heroes' and 'believing' a random "the guy".
You demonize those losing jobs/homes in a GFC created by UNFETTERED capitalist SPECULATION & TRICKERY.
Your anonymous communist "guy" promises NO 'welfare queens'? Isn't that what YOU want too? So you and "the guy" agree EXTREME ideology is the way to go? Extremely bad idea!
Your irrational fear-mongering, gullibility and parroting denies the SAFE structure of US democratic govt. and the INDEPENDENT INSTITUTIONS (Military, Judiciary, Free Press...and NOW, the INTERNET which cannot be censored as you claim).
Reality is not your forte!
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (12)
They ARE good people, sand. . . .whether you like them or not. . .and I have no idea of your real reason for not liking them. Are you American?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (12)
It appears that FrankHer$hit is either black himself OR he is a hater of White people in general, particularly if the white people don't follow his own Liberal political leanings, he will attempt to label them racist and bigot through lies and innuendo. He seems to have quite a following here and he gets enraged when he is proven incorrect or dead wrong on any of the topics being discussed.
FrankHerb$hit most likely wants to see the elimination of the white race and jumps for joy when the news is about young black men murdering, injuring and stealing from white people.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (12)
I think that the more white people get killed, the more he likes it. . .serves them right for being white, right?
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (39)
They would rather report on once nut-case racist in a crowd of Tea Party members, than report on the several instances of black mobs attacking whites last month, and the on-going flash mobs robing stores.
It's easier to go for ad-hominem attacks than be honest and debate the issues.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.3 / 5 (13)
Yes, that is fact. It is the perpetual sense of being victimized by the white folks that keeps MOST black people from improving themselves and their lot in life. . .and those of their children. With the exception of highly intelligent and talented black people like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Walter E. Williams (professor of Economics at George Mason University) and so many other Conservative black men and women who "have left the plantation", as Herman Cain says, others who have no high regard for themselves and are "NOT comfortable in their own skin" are STILL on the plantation. . . .only NOW their massa is the U.S. government and all the Liberals and Socialists who mock their culture and talk about them in the faculty lounges and other places of academia, as though blacks were not people
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1.5 / 5 (15)
My opinion? Liberal racism.
A colleague said this to me the other day. "That police officer should be found guilty. But if he's not, they have every a right to riot.""
"when liberals say that "they" have a right to riot, what's the implication here? Is it that blacks are primitive, out-of-control Neanderthals? Those Jews, Chinese, and white males are expected to have self-control. No such expectations exist for designated victim groups like blacks and Latinos."
"it's also a white feeling of superiority. Because you have to see yourself as on top to offer special treatment to those on bottom."
http://www.americ...ism.html
Nov 30, 2011
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"budding progressives not only read exposés of capitalistic barons and attacks on laissez-faire economics by muckraking journalists, they also read racist tracts that drew on the latest anthropology, biology, psychology, sociology, eugenics, and medical science."
"Woodrow Wilson, whose Progressive presidential legacy includes the Federal Reserve System, a federal loan program for farmers, and an eight-hour workday for railroad employees, segregated the federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. "
"The Progressive movement unleashed, aided, and abetted some of the most destructive forces in 20th-century America."
http://reason.com...ormers/1
Nov 30, 2011
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Nov 30, 2011
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"Sanger answered Gamble on Dec. 10. 1939, agreeing with the assessment. She wrote: "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten that idea out if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." "
{Sounds something like the climate gate emails...}
http://www.blackg...ger.html
Sanger's opinions are expressed by many who post here when they advocate for govt control over procreation.
Nov 30, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (11)
But white slave owners were unable to pronounce the word Negro due to their accent, and the pronunciation became corrupted into the sound of the word which FrankHerb$hit is now using to describe black people. He is certainly a big Liberal alright. Now, if FrankHerb$hit is actually black himself and is coming into the threads to accuse innocent people in his little "GOTCHA" scam, then he truly IS a racist also, only he is racist against whites and Asians.
Nov 30, 2011
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Nov 30, 2011
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See also news stories in
1. Slate:
www.slate.com/art...ns_.html
2. Canadian Free Press:
www.canadafreepre...le/42805
3. Huffington Post:
www.huffingtonpos...166.html
Nov 30, 2011
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Blah-blah blah blah blah blah. You would not be a citizen of America if it wasn't for the PROGRESSIVE thinkers that of America. Our heritage is liberal. It's the liberals that did anything of significance, put a Man on the Moon, or a retirement insurance system, or even a health care model. All the conservatives do is slap each-other one butt and make backroom deals to give buddies free money at the tax payers expense.
Nov 30, 2011
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"""Many are concerned today about implications of the National Defense Authorization Act bill that the US Senate is set to vote on today or later this week:
""""Although our society is unstable, I hope politicians are not so foolish as use the National Defense Authorization Act to try to stay in power. """""
Oliver, if that's the bill that I think it is, and the Liberal Demorat majority in the Senate pass it and Obama signs it, won't that give Obama the right to ignore the Constitution and do whatever he wants with the country? If the bill passes, his power will be almost unlimited. I hope I am wrong and that is not the one I'm thinking of.
Nov 30, 2011
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The heritage of the US is classical liberal, not the 'liberal' term FDR usurped to differentiate his campaign from the 'progressive' Hoover, both socialists.
I am sure most of the engineers that worked the Apollo program might be offended at being called 'liberal'.
Nov 30, 2011
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"It's a major question of priorities here. That's why the Occupy movement is so important because some of this is going to be fought in the streets. "
http://www.realcl...facebook
'Liberals' advocating violence and the current regime setting up the law to round up their opposition.
"The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico."
http://www.weekly...seals-re
Nov 30, 2011
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When is this stuff gonna end?
Nov 30, 2011
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"When government gets so big and intrusive that it suppresses economic growth, it hurts the public sector too. The worst thing a parasite can do is to kill its host."
http://online.wsj...pOpinion
Nov 30, 2011
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Nov 30, 2011
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It was the Liberals like Johnson and the "War on Poverty" that was one of the few government programs that actually did improve peoples lives. It was people like Robert F. Kennedy the brought Liberal debate to blue dogs, and the conservatives so forcefully. The alliance that you hint of between Blacks and Liberals is because the Liberals recognize the rights to the people in the words "All men are created equal".
America always moved forward except when we go took by conservatives.
Nov 30, 2011
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Anyway the bottom line is oppression by conservative values lead up to the point where the oppressed raised up and found more value in the Liberalism than the failed logic of Conservatitism.
Dec 01, 2011
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Guess that makes Cain a liberal. LMAO
Dec 01, 2011
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"Good" people do not habitually engage in the sort of deception that the cited persons do.
Now, if you'd like to defend on the grounds that such is not intentional, owing to diminished capacity, I'll allow of that.
Dec 01, 2011
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Not all conservatives. Not all of us think it is proper to paint all members of any group with so wide a brush. People are individuals, and as such should be considered individually. Considering people individually takes effort.
Dec 01, 2011
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If the south were so solidly anti-civil rights, why is there a major road or highway in nearly every large southern city named after Martin L. King and other civil rights leaders? With few remaining exceptions that old south you are remembering is from 50 years ago. Things have changed down here over the past few generations.
Dec 01, 2011
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Holder possibly as he was supposedly in charge, or at least should have been - it's his department. I highly doubt Obama had anything to do with this case until long after the fact.
The records should not have been sealed though. That part stinks like a Nixon screw up, especially for a president who's campaign promises included complete transparency.
Dec 01, 2011
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You know already that there are people who go into these threads to cause trouble for anyone they do't like. Don't believe the lies and watch your own words too, or else they will twist them around.
Dec 01, 2011
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Do you think Reagen and Oliver North should share the same fate for Iran-Contra?
Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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Learn about realigning elections, they may help your woefully inadequate knowledge of US political history.
http://en.wikiped...election
"Realigning elections typically separate Party Systems--with 1828, for example, separating the First Party System and the Second Party System in the U.S. ...
An American example was the change in the voting patterns among white Southerners, who from the 1870s to 1962 had overwhelmingly voted at the national and state levels for Democratic (what was called the "Solid South"). A critical election came in 1964 with a shift at the presidential level to the Republican (GOP) presidential candidates. However there was a gradual shift toward the GOP at the state and local levels, as Aldrich (2000) and others have found. Democratic voting remained strong into the 1970s and only slowly shifted towards the GOP as state Republican organizations systematically broadened their base in the 1980's and 1990's."
Dec 01, 2011
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In any case, Conservatism has never been thoroughly implemented at any time and, even with GWBush, the militant Liberals were always the loudest.
goodnite SteveL, Rygg, Nou, blue. My g/f is at her job and I have some news to read.
Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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http://www.youtub...8pZiRIzs
Dec 01, 2011
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Agree.
Why won't 'liberals' do this?
Socialists can't respect the rights of the individual because they must violate individual rights to redistribute wealth.
Dec 01, 2011
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The 'war' on poverty has failed. The number of people in 'poverty' has not changed.
The govt has no incentive to get people off the dole. Politicians have more people who are dependent upon them and the bureaucrats have more money and power.
Subsidize more poor people and you get more poor people.
Dec 01, 2011
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Subsudize more poor corporations and you get the USA corporatocracy.
Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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The right to keep the wealth you create and earn with out a mob ganging up and stealing it from you.
I you want to hide YOUR wealth, or waste it, it is YOUR choice.
In 2 years, the Obama regime spent more than in 8 years of Bush.
BTW, how is your Euro doing Koch?
Dec 01, 2011
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President Carter was voted out because of his response to the Iranian revolution, the capture and hostage taking by the Iran revolutionaries, his passive response to the months that the Iranians dangled the hostages like toys in front a the press.
We got the hostages back without loss of life and a lot of backdoor raygun arms for hostages secret negotiations stuff.
The point I want to make though is Carter would have been re-elected if he had gotten the hostages back. Carter was liked. Had the military rescue mission Carter ordered been successful, politics would be quite different today. Instead it made Carter look weak and inept. Reagan Won and had his 8Yr. I hate Iran.
Dec 01, 2011
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By whom?
Carter WAS weak and inept and we see that now when he doesn't have to run for another office, his true, socialist nature is expressed.
"immy Carter betrayed the pro-US Shah of Iran, and sought to curry favor with the Ayatollah Khomeini (a) because he believed Khomeini and his Islamist-led revolution represented the winning side in the struggle to overthrow the modernizing monarch, and (b) because Carter bought the idea of using political Islam to weaken and isolate the Soviet Union--a strategy pushed by Carter's Polish-born, militantly anti-Russian, National Security Advisor, Zbignew Brzezinski.
Not so well known is that Carter also dumped a US ally because of wildly inaccurate--or deliberately falsified--US intelligence reports. The reports said Saudi Arabia was running out of oil. Brzezinski and other administration members persuaded the gullible President that a Khomeini regime would make up for declining Saudi oil sales to the US."
http://chinac
Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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"The war on poverty was the worst thing that ever happened to Appalachia, Janofsky quotes one resident as saying. It gave people a way to get by without having to do any work. "
http://www.thefre...-failed/
Dec 01, 2011
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"Mary Richmond, one of the founders of American social work, condemned public relief in no uncertain terms: The most experienced charity workers regard it as a source of demoralization both to the poor and the charitable."
http://www.thefre...ured/why
Dec 01, 2011
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The correct way to help the needy, they said, was to expect something of recipients in return for what was given them. Instead of giving poor people what they needed, the charity leaders organized programs that enabled the needy to supply their own wants. They werent given money, but were counseled to find employment; they werent given apartments, but were rented, at cost, healthy dwellings managed by charities; they werent given food, but learned to grow their own food at garden clubs developed for that purpose. "
http://www.thefre...-failed/
Dec 01, 2011
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Octavia Hill, The Befriending Leader: Social Assistance without Dependency, ed. James L. Payne (Sandpoint, Idaho: Lytton Publishing Co., 1997), p. 57.
http://www.thefre...-failed/
See what happens in Europe when welfare meets the real world, when they run out of OPM?
Dec 01, 2011
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Carter also had the energy crisis to deal with too, inflation was horrible, gold spiked from something like 35$/Oz to nearly $300. But housing was good, we were out of Vietnam, Jobs where good. The START talks where going... Japan was on the uptick with the thier smaller imports like the Datsun's and Hondas.
Anyway the point being if not for Iran, it would have been substantially different. Maybe the global energy crisis (CO2 AGW issue) would have been averted.
Dec 01, 2011
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Dec 01, 2011
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It help make the Modern world we know.
Dec 01, 2011
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SteveL. . .there has never been transparency in the Obama regime and never was meant to be. It was all lies to garner support from all the Liberal "useful idiots" so he could get their votes so he could get elected President. But some are disillusioned now. Hope & change. . .hahahaha
Dec 02, 2011
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rygg2 says: ""Not so well known is that Carter also dumped a US ally because of wildly inaccurate--or deliberately falsified--US intelligence reports. The reports said Saudi Arabia was running out of oil. Brzezinski and other administration members persuaded the gullible President that a Khomeini regime would make up for declining Saudi oil sales to the US."
http://chinac""
Good find. . .I had forgotten about that incident. Jimmy Carter was a clown and still is. He doesn't broker peace when he goes to places like North Korea, but is still trying to establish a legacy for himself, and only causing more trouble by flirting with the enemy because he is no longer President and can't forgive that.
Dec 02, 2011
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The "right to hoard and squander". . .what exactly does it MEAN anyway? If a person has a 20 dollar bill in his wallet and doesn't want to or need to spend it, is that hoarding? And if that same person decides that he wants to buy himself a nice dinner and decides to spend that 20 bucks, is he squandering that money?
In either case, if that money is HIS and he didn't steal it, then it is his to do with as he pleases. If some thug goes up to him and robs him of that 20 dollars, isn't that theft? So, where is the difference between those who want to steal money from a rich guy whose money belongs in his own pocket, and the thug who robs the
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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It's amazing how the right wing will go so off topic to cover up their stupid, ignorant, short sighted, overly contrived, oppressive and destructive concepts on global warming at the expense of the people.
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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Idiot Liberal Socialists come into this thread spouting their hatred of Conservatives ad nauseum and continually assail those they disagree with politically, and never bother to think about the REAL intention of this thread. Then all of a sudden, he ups and gets huffy about what Conservatives are saying back in answer to the Liberal idiotic lies spouted in here.
My My My. . . .nobody knows da trouble ah seen. . .LOL
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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Proof required.
Dec 02, 2011
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LOL. . . .15 kids from 3 different daddies and never been married. Can't seem to keep her legs from spreading apart. Must be a broken hinge. And she wants mo money, mo money, mo money, and mo money.
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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unemployment rate under Socialist Obama OMG 9%
Why. . .that's a jump of about 5% since Obama was elected President within the last 3 years. Maybe he can enlarge that even HIGHER if he gets another 4 years by screwing the private sector so that they can't afford to operate in the U.S. and keep hiring workers. Plenty of good workers overseas. Red China, Korea and Mexico wants their business, while the Obama regime wants a nice old revolution by the great unwashed masses who will gladly vote for him if he will only pay off their student loans and give them free health care. . . .and a house.
Ain't America great?
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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Radiative forcing has been variable for billions of years also. The heat occurring is only because the Earth is bombarded on a daily basis with radiation from the Sun (sunlight) and from cosmic rays from outerspace. If that didn't happen, the Earth would be frozen like Pluto, assuming Pluto is frozen. But there are also other forces WITHIN the Earth which contribute to warming, such as volcanic action as in island building. . . .and even jellyfish and other sea creatures can cause oceans to warm with their body heat and the decaying of their bodies give off CO2
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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Capeeesh?
Dec 02, 2011
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Point is why do democrats want to make me stick my dong in these semitransparent hornet's nests? I hear all these voices screaming at me to do it.
The foil isn't working anymore. The democrats must be augmenting their signal. I have begun the process of crystallizing the semitransparent bees (which is admittedly hard to do as they are hard to see!) so I may construct a faraday cage from them that will protect me from the voices telling me to stick my dong in all manner of dangerous objects.
I digress though. When Obama the Hun crosses the Rubicon into America certainly we will all be at the mercy of communist islamofascism!
Dec 02, 2011
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My momma says not to worry 'bout that mean old FartHerbsmoker$hitheadfartbutt. She's gonna make me forget all 'bout him tonight! Woo hoo!
Dec 02, 2011
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Did she come out of the Mothership with screwy Louie and his aliens already? Thought they might have taken a ride in the Mothership all around the universe by now. :)
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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I watched a special on Antarctic ice rivers and how they flow to the sea. The reason these rivers flow is a thin layer of water between the ice and the land. I has been suggested heat from 'global warming' has finally reached the ground through thousands of feet of ice.
A better explanation is geologic activity warming from below. Ice is a great insulator. Several lakes lie below the ice and Antarctica does have volcanoes.
Dec 02, 2011
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Welfare certainly has created the nanny states around the world. Why do 'liberals' have so much disrespect for people? Millions of physically disabled people lead productive lives, with no welfare, millions of able bodied are satisfied living off the wealth of others.
I guess I can understand why 'liberals' detest such slackers, but why do they subsidize them? They need useful idiots to build a political constituency.
Dec 02, 2011
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Like the Germans designed the Third Rieich or DDR or the Koreans who designed DPRK.
Now I will agree it was the Greeks who designed their economic collapse along with the rest of the EU welfare state.
Dec 02, 2011
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http://www.nytime...tml?_r=1
Dec 02, 2011
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Non-responsive and evasive.
What do you know and understand re. the Physics of radiative forcing?
Dec 02, 2011
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OK. . .as I've already mentioned in many other threads in Physorg, I am NOT a scientist. I am, however, on a "learning curve", as my profile mentions and am here to learn all I can about many types of scientific research that I find interesting. Now, if YOU are a scientist, why don't you tell us what YOU know, eh? You're the expert here, not me. I'm just a student and I have several teachers who are very knowledgeable, like Rygg and Nou who don't mind explaining the science, but are not smug or deliberately full of vitriol and hate.
I hope that answers your question, and I STILL believe that climate change is due to thermal conditions underground through volcanic action.
Dec 02, 2011
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Warming from below. . .exactly my sentiments, The heat and gases have to go somewhere to escape from the mantles, so it melts ice that happen to be above and in the way. As the ice melts further, it slides more easily and eventually slides into a body of water, breaks off big chunks of ice and the nitwits see that and claim that climate change is because of humans existing and driving cars.
Dec 02, 2011
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http://www.nytime....html?hp
Richard Brooks is one of the very few bloggers from the New York Times who fully use their abilities of sanity and reason in reporting the truth. I'm surprised Sulzburger (sp?) hasn't gotten rid of him yet in order to have a full complement of Liberal/Socialists reporting the news and commentaries. I fully agree with Brooks on the causes and ramifications of the Socialist countries of Europe and their dependence on the frugality and generosity of the Germans. I think Germany should "hoard" their own wealth, don't you? But if they don't bail out the Romance language countries, the Germans are likely to be "occupied" and their wealth forcibly removed from their pockets, so to speak, from those who demand entitlements and to continue their "welfare state" idiocy.
It's always the old story of the ant and the grasshopper, isn't it. LOL
I would think it was funny if it wasn't so serious.
Dec 02, 2011
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Well, Mr. Potty Mouth, if you don't understand the Physics, then you are both unqualified to make any assertions re. the subject at hand or to judge the verity of the clap trap that you cite as support of your position.
In short, you know nothing of the matter, and just suck up what you want to hear because it better comports with your policy positions.
YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED.
Dec 02, 2011
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ROTFLMAO.
You're taking Physics lessons from a pair of charlatans? That's like asking the tobacco industry if smoking is bad for your health. :rolleyes:
A text book for Physics 101 seems to be in order.
Dec 02, 2011
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What does sandy know of this? Do you know how CO2 radiative forcing is measured? What is the range on the forcing factor and how was it determined?
What are the IR absorption bands for CO2 and H2O?
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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Conservatives just live in la-la land when it comes to real economic reality.
Dec 02, 2011
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So why are all the socialist/'liberal' economies bankrupt and begging to be bailed out by more conservative economies?
Dec 02, 2011
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Dec 02, 2011
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Kind of like Cleveland. Actually they have a great wine industry.
Dec 02, 2011
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You don't learn Science by "commenting" on subjects that you've no understanding of, or of asking questions of those who seemingly share your policy convictions, while rejecting statements made by those who do not share such convictions, but by engaging in dispassionate study.
Like your "conservative" brethren here, you seek only that which supports your desired conclusions.
You can't learn what you don't want to know.
Dec 02, 2011
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"But sorry, theres no way Europe can come up with a fix that avoids printing money. Thats the only way to make good on the debts run up by these welfare states.
There will be lots of gyrations along the way, as the Germans come to realize that such a massive bailout is the only way to keep the likes of Italy and Spain from default which would lead to a worldwide banking crisis and to the political instability they fear.
The bigger problem for the Europeans is what comes next after they finish running the printing press and papering over the debts of the continents basket-case economies. If these countries are to avoid Third-World economic status, theyll have to finally rein in their out-of-control welfare states. And that will be the most bitter pill for the Europeans to swallow.
Read more: http://www.nypost...fRMdIWid
Dec 02, 2011
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Why so underproductive? Most of the evidence points to the failure of the European welfare state.
Again, the Europeans loved to lecture Americans on how government-run health-care and cradle-to-grave entitlements provided such safety and comfort for the masses. People supposedly didnt mind paying higher taxes because it enhanced their standard of living.
Until, of course, it didnt enhance anything and Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal face the collapse of their safety nets because they cant borrow to pay for them anymore, even as unemployment is rampant. (Meanwhile, France is not far behind.)"
Read more: http://www.nypost...fRN8bV8F
Dec 02, 2011
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You may be tempted to take some delight in Europes misfortunes as they basically copy our bailout methodology of running the printing press to paper over the problems. But New Yorkers schadenfreude shouldnt last.
Because our city has adopted the European welfare-state model with the same disastrous results: high taxes, high unemployment and businesses leaving for somewhere else. Ironically, its only taxes from Wall Streets one percent that keeps the city going."
Read more: http://www.nypost...fRNtxray
Dec 02, 2011
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http://www.daniel...rk-steyn
Written five years ago.
Has any IPCC proclamation from 5 years ago come to pass?
Dec 03, 2011
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They are the ultimate "Me-firsters."
Dec 03, 2011
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That's pretty good geopolitical branding there R2. "Detroit?"
Dec 03, 2011
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Dec 03, 2011
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Hottie, California and Detroit economies are failing because of 'liberal' government.
Dec 03, 2011
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"Theres nothing wrong with uncertainty in science. Whats wrong is denying it exists."
http://www.theglo...2255673/
"Science is Settled" proclamation denies the existence of uncertainty. This is not science.
Dec 03, 2011
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Actually, many of the poor DO piss it all away. . . .and that's a fact. They piss it away on booze, illegal drugs, and they get morbidly obese by buying junk food and other unhealthy $hit when they're not smoking crack. The news is full of the $hit that these people do. Rich white kids do that also, but they have plenty of money and don't take off taxpayers to pay for their lifestyle. It would be fine if none of that crap was going on in poor families. But it is happening and they're coming back for mo money mo money mo money. LOL I KNOW some of them .
Dec 03, 2011
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Dec 03, 2011
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Boy, these people got plenty of nerve being on welfare generation after generation
Dec 03, 2011
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Instead of encouraging the poor to help themselves and get jobs, you prefer to cry your tears and wring your hands and say life is so unfair to them poor people. YOU are a BIIIIG PART OF THE PROBLEM. You're keeping them down on the plantation just like your Liberal gods in Washington want you to do. And wait till you see the Communists put them in boxcars and ship them out. . . .and you will have helped it to happen. . .Congratulations sucka
Dec 03, 2011
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Dec 03, 2011
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hmmm.....so how's global warming now, eh? All the hot air from Liberals ain't helping it any?
Dec 03, 2011
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So what have YOU done lately to mitigate AGW, deepsand, eh? Have you stopped driving your car or ride in someone else's car? Did you stop taking plane trips? How about buses and other vehicles? You know they all run on gasoline and require OIL for lubrication? Are you getting rid of your electricity use if your electric company uses coal, gas, or oil for fuel? PLEASE TELL US. YOU TOO, Howhot. . .what have you two done to save the Earth, eh? Don't be shy now, tell us the truth. I'll bet you haven't done a damn thing about it. You'all just like to yammer and vitch and complain about OTHER people, that's all.
Dec 03, 2011
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Dec 03, 2011
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Ah-ha; it's sophistry that you are studying!
Managing to get several fallacies crammed into one steaming heap must make you feel really proud, I'll bet. :lol:
Dec 03, 2011
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deepsand be all talk and no action. . . .yowza yowza yowza. . . .:))
Dec 03, 2011
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"Canada May Save $6.7B by Exiting Kyoto Pact"
http://www.bloomb...col.html
Dec 03, 2011
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Dec 03, 2011
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Yup. . . .phony baloney plastic banana good time rock n rollers, as a famous talk show host would say. . .LOL
Dec 03, 2011
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ROTFLMAO
You're complaining about someone not falling for your misdirection by way of a red herring, so as to allow you to evade the fact that you are clueless as to the Science here involved?
That's soooo precious.
Dec 03, 2011
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So much uncertainty in fact that the UK and the US have plans to launch calibrated, traceable IR radiometers to reduced the significant uncertainty that exists in the data.
"TRUTHS provides 'benchmark' measurements of key 'radiative forcing feedbacks' such as clouds and albedo (in the solar reflective spectral domain) with uncertainties small enough that future change, from a background of natural variability can be detected."
"The need for such a mission has been specifically highlighted by the United Nations GCOS (Global Climate Observing System), WMO GSICS (Global Satellite Inter-Calibration System) committees and Committee on Earth Observation (CEOS), culminating in the call for a specific mission by the US Academy of sciences called CLARREO "
http://www.npl.co.uk/TRUTHS
Dec 03, 2011
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Dec 03, 2011
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LMAO, where? You certainly aren't speaking of the United States.
Dec 04, 2011
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Because it serves only to advance your interest in maintaining Potty Mouth's ignorance of the underlying Physics by diverting his attention.
Dec 04, 2011
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AGWites may live in a faith based world.
I don't and I accept nothing from 'progressive' AGWites on faith.
Dec 04, 2011
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FrankHerbert, uses the following screen names to rate multiple one's, and rates himself multiple 5's.
Libtard | ryggesogn3 | gregor2 | CManhole82 | DenseAetherTheory | Pirouline | PetiteAmerican PaoloIlTipoBasso | Fagamemnon
Dec 04, 2011
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I don't think deepsand knows the science either. Probably copies and pastes without giving source links, just like FrankHerbert$heiss does. FrankHerb$heiss NEEDS his other user names to harass and provoke. He also cannot comprehend easy original paragraphs from other people and ALWAYS misquotes the others' comments. He thinks that nobody is going to scroll up and read the original comment and find out for themselves. He would make a good Commissar who lies to the people and doesn't know the science either.
I have ADMITTED I am not a scientist, and yet deepsand continuously CHALLENGES me to see what I know about AGW That smug attitude shows that deepsand is NOT a scientist at all and is only pretending to be. How pathetic.
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Nope. . .pwufu ain't no Southerner. Pwufu is Sicilian who just happened to be raised in the South and likes it there. Pwufu spent 32 years on the job in the North and saw how Liberals moved out as quick as possible when blacks moved into their neighborhood. "WHITE FLIGHT" was, and is, prevalent with dem well-off White Liberals/Socialists cuz dey don' wanna live wif dose po' blacks in dey neighborhood. . . .so dey RUN fast as they can. . .why dey runs all over the place to get away from dem black folks. But they be good at talking about how they wanna help them po' black folks and make sure dem black kids get a good education and food, housing and clothing.
Meanwhile, dem babydaddys don' wanna work and dem babymamas keep open dey legs to get mo babies and wait for dem welfare checks and be on crack cocaine.
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Yeah. . .them Liberals don't want to pay big State taxes, so they will buy properties in states that have no State taxes. But California and New York have HUGE state taxes. It's amazing that California hasn't emptied out already to Florida. New York City is emptying out little by little, but too many have very good paying jobs there, so they will stay for the duration.
When all the Conservative wealthy people leave, NY will become a total slum and Mayor Bloomberg will be crying when there is no longer enough revenue to support the infrastructure and the Wall Street Occupiers. The WSO will be back in the Spring, I hear. I'm sure they will do a lot more defecating and pissing in the streets. Liberals like that and makes them FEEL more sympathy for the OccupyWallStret rabble.
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http://online.wsj...949.html
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Oh BTW, I was responding to another person's questions/comment in reference to Capitalism, and along comes FrankHerbertbert to make his accusations about no need for morality. It figures he doesn't like morality. It offends him and he has no use for morality. Look at the $hit he talks about in the threads. Typical retarded Liberal.
http://www.physor...try.html
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Sandy knows that you are intellectually dishonest, preferring to engage in sophistry.
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Given that you, Potty Mouth, by your own admission, do not know and understand the Physics here involved, you are wholly unqualified to pass judgement.
Get a clue.
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If you don't like my calling FrankHerb$hit FrankHerb$hit, then we have nothing further to discuss about any topic.
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The fact that you have doubts re. that which is clearly inappropriate is telling.
So too your choice of allies here. R2 - his most recent incarnation here - is known for his mastery of the art of "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
If you are genuinely interested in Science, you'll need to first put aside all policy considerations.
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"""But late last week Mayor Bloomberg was channelling these columns when he said that raising taxes on high earners could drive them from the city. "One percent of the households that file in this city pay something like 50% of the taxes," explained the Mayor. "In the city, that's something like 40,000 people. If a handful left, any raise would make it revenue neutral. The question is what's fair. If 1% are paying 50% of the taxes, you want to make it even more?""""
OMG. . . .Mayor Bloomberg has done a 180 about face from his previous opinions on taxing te rich and upper middle class. Must be the world is coming to an end for that to happen. LOL
Dec 04, 2011
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If you're against Rygg2 just because of science, that's no good reason for hate or dislike. I'm sorry, but I don't buy such behavior.
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That is NOT what AGWites have done.
So Mann, et al, are NOT really interested in science?
How about Paul Ehrlich who started 'sky is falling science' in the 70s who recently, as noted by physorg, is most concerned about policy.
"Scientists must leave the ivory tower and become advocates, or civilization is endangered, says Stanford biologist"
http://www.physor...red.html
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http://en.wikiped...d_letter
Look at those pathetic little Chicken Littles running around like the sky is falling.
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Your point?
They were respected (and now historically vindicated) scientists advocating a (the correct) policy.
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"The political battle waged over embryonic stem cell research burst onto the front pages in 2001, when many reporters and scientists began touting stem cells as medical miracles that would offer cures for Alzheimers, diabetes, Parkinsons and other diseases.
From 2000 onwards, Democrats and liberals were hyping the research absurdly, Princeton professor Robert George, a member of President George. W. Bushs Council on Bioethics, told The Daily Caller. There was no real prospect of therapeutic uses of [Gerons] embryonic stem cells.
"Democrats, however, eagerly used the prospect of miracle cures to lure sick voters and retirees, flatter professionals and stigmatize conservatives as being anti-science.
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The leading stem cell technology is found in many hospitals, where doctors and surgeons use cells found in patients own organs. Those adult stem cells can be stimulated to regenerate damaged hearts and other organs. In one peer reviewed study published on Nov. 16, more than a dozen heart-failure patients gained an average 12 percent improvement in heart function from their own stimulated stem cells.
This uncontroversial adult cell technology was pioneered by hospitals, not drug companies. It is sufficiently reliable that insurance companies green-light its use for the treatment of multiple sclerosis, lupus and many other ailments, and it is cheered by social conservatives and religious groups because it improves medical treatments without killing human embryos."
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Read more: http://dailycalle...fcZhAJmD
Another example of the failure of govt subsidies.
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Read more: http://dailycalle...fcaoGKuh
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Who defines 'fair'?
Trouble is, the 'progressives' have been implementing this policy for over 100 years. How well has it worked?
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Well you are a successful entrepreneur in your 80's, so... you I guess?
It's obvious you don't want the power taken away from you. So you accuse others of trying to grab it. You just neglect to mention they would be grabbing it from you.
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BTW, I heard that Margaret Sanger was arrested. Is it true? LOL
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"The Paranoid Style in American Politics" By Richard Hofstadter http://karws.gso....yle.html
Hofstadter had you figured out almost 50 years ago.
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from the article: """The new slogan sidelines older themes, including we cant wait and pass this bill, but it allows Obama to portray himself on the campaign trail as the progressive solution to the current economic paralysis.
Read more: http://dailycalle...htzG0"""
Obama NEEDS a new slogan. His ratings are going down down down. His "fair play, fair shot, and everybody does their fair share" actually means EVERYBODY gonna be po' and down and out so he can give mo money to his favorite big corporations, Unions, and keep them welfare queens smiling. Ptooey
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Power?
Yes, that is what 'progressives' crave, power. Power to TAKE from others, to have the power to legally plunder, and make their version of Utopia.
What is 'fair' Frankie?
I think it would be fair that no govt funded school can grant tenure.
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Well I guess you don't crave what you already have huh? You have the power to *take* opportunity from people. You also have the power to *bestow* opportunity on people as a "job creator". Feels good doesn't it? I bet you're going to cling on to that for your last few bitter years.
Holy non sequitur Batman.
I think not requiring anyone to declare bankruptcy over an illness is fair.
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Today it is the radical left that is paranoid and attacking those who peacefully protest their govt and support those who are violently protesting capitalism.
It is not paranoid to oppose those who want to control your life amd take your wealth
BTW, Joe McCarthy was proven to be correct.
At least Hofstadter finally saw the light:
"Starting as a member of the Communist Party, he moved to the right, and by the 1950s was a leading liberal. Shocked by the radicalism of the New left in the late 1960s, he became a spokesman for conservatives."
http://conservape...e_note-6
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How do I have any power to take anything from anyone without going to jail like any other criminal?
The you support a free market approach to reduce the cost of medical care? Because govt attempts have failed to lower costs.
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Obama will have to get tax money off these folks until they yell, "ENOUGH, WE'VE BEEN TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!!" Then, when most of their money is gone to pay for the welfare queens, there won't be anyone left to steal money from.
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How are taxes theft? You play with definitions, so I'm doing the same. Frustrating, isn't it?
With regards to Hofstadter, I'll simply quote some of the collection of quotes from his essay. Anyone is free to decide what faction in modern society best mirrors the trend Hofstadter described.
Well, I don't need to quote McCarthy. Marjon is his living mouthpiece so I'll leave that alone.
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Here's a news flash for you: HowHot more accurately by a long shot presents the Science than does R2.
Your favoring the one over the other owes to your putting policy considerations ahead of empirical facts.
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The point isn't that Conservatives are more prone to it. The point is THEY ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN IT. They fit the archetype to a T. I'm not sure they are even distinct from the John Birch society.
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That's funny.
So Sandy punts to Hottie to explain the science.
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What the fuck is your problem?
@Marjon
Care to admit you were wrong? You have a habit of discrediting others sources with inaccurate information.
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And just how do you suppose that you come across to others?
Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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What paranoia?
'Progressive' big govt policies have been destroying the economy for quite some time.
AGWites have been quite paranoid. But I can't blame them too much as they don't have the data to support their claims of calamity.
The 'liberal' press gave Obama a pass on all his questionable associations, zero experience and no academic records while the same press is crawling up the arses of some of his opponents.
The shrillness of the 'liberals' don't support a conservative paranoia. It confirms their paranoid quest for power and they squeal when that power is threatened.
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Nice try. You do not have "doubts". You have paranoid delusions.
It's one thing to claim humans have little impact on global warming, don't have any impact on it at all, or hey global warming *might* not even exist! None of those are totally unreasonable if you are willing to look at new information and reevaluate your position.
What you do is tie a belief in AGW to some grand liberal/socialist/marxist/bad person/obama conspiracy that has no basis in reality. YOU then lambast anyone who disagrees with that. This is why I and others take a hostile attitude with you. The same goes for Marjon. Most of the other people I spout off with have earned that distinction from blind defense of the previous two.
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So?
Frankie, according to you, Hofstadter was a 'liberal' being critical of conservative 'paranoia'. At the time he wrote the piece, he was.
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All I did was show you that his essay, which you CLAIM is liberal and IMPLY that he disowned later on (he didn't), criticizes American paranoia. Not liberal paranoia. Not conservative paranoia. American paranoia.
Are you not an American Marjon?
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@Pirouette
"You're a dirty old AIDS-face. Farthead$hitbutt! Go draw some blood you pussy!"
Uggg you can't even insult people without seeming like a total headcase.
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Another thing. . .do you plan to get Red Chinese to stop their polluting of the planet too? You must know by now that they have surpassed the U.S. in CO2 emissions.
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Heh. Mildly amusing and not surprising.
Your bias denies you the metacognitive abilities to realize how removed from reality you are.
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Why would you try to claim Hofstadter as a conservative when he's clearly not viewed as one by prominent conservatives?
NO ONE answer this for him. Let Marjon answer it himself or let Pirouette eat his silence.
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Pirouette just sent that PM to me. Cool man. Bet the ladies love that attitude.
In light of that it's obvious your "lol bet she draws blood and checks it for AIDS" comment was both a sexist comment because, "lol who would draw blood except a woman", and homophobic because "LOL AIDS!"
You're pathetic. You're retired. You've had long enough to learn how to be a decent person. Take a long look in the mirror man.
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Five PMs. . . .what could possibly be in those PMs that FrankHerb$hit would say to another man, eh?
Dec 05, 2011
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Again with the red herrings?
You admit to not understanding the Science; and, yet, you reject the real Science that's presented to you, and accept the faux science presented by R2 and his ilk.
It very much looks like you only want to believe that which supports your desired conclusion, based on your policy positions.
Why would I want to waste my time trying to explain anything to a closed mind???
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We're waiting, R2. Enquiring minds want to know. :lol:
BTW, Potty Mouth, your continued and puerile use of pejoratives belies your claim to wanting to learn.
You can't learn what you don't want to know.
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Did you ever stop to wonder why that is?
Might it owe in great part to the US and Germany having expatriated their smokestack industries to China, so that goods could be produced with cheap labor and no environmental controls prior to their being imported to the US and Europe for consumption?
More than a little hypocritical, no?
Dec 05, 2011
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Maybe Pirouette will want to learn about it? Nah...
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My homeland doesn't get it.
Its so much unlike the US. THE usa..
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It is amazing the brainless ignorance and sexist shit this Fruit says in once sentence. What a looser!!!
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There will be no peace on Earth this holiday season unless world leaders awaken to reality and accept their total powerlessness over the forces of nature.
http://noconsensu...nt-60505
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Apollo
http://www.omatumr.com/
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China gets what?
What evidence do you have the Chinese give a rat's a$$ about AGW? They are a dictatorship and can force anyone to do anything, anytime. What have the done to prove they 'get it'?
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I'm assuming you haven't done so in at least 40 years.
Just so you know, I googled "china global warming" and the first results are quite mixed. Not the picture you painted.
Also, do you mind telling Pirouette why you are known as Marjon? He'd like to know.
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Actually, no. . . .Red China actively welcomes businesses from all countries and they get paid handsomely (with the rate of exchange) by those businesses BECAUSE those businesses have low overhead costs and don't have to be taxed heavily and pay exorbitant salaries and benefits as they would be forced to do in their own country. The products are relatively well-made and there are no threats of a strike by union workers for higher pay in China. . .because there are NO unions.
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Irrelevant to the issue of hypocrisy.
Also puts the lie to the "Buy America" mantra. There's a price to be paid for those cheap goods.
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Everything has relevance and it won't change for the better until unions are made to stop destroying the unique relationship between employer and employee. Millions of Americans have lost their jobs because of the unions, but ignorant people continue to blame the companies for leaving the country and take the jobs overseas.
Put the blame where it rightfully belongs. . . .on the unions and their butt buddies in Washington.
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More homophobia from a small mind.
Pirouette has already sent me PMs calling me "nigger" and "faggot".
I don't know why he even bothers to talk in code about unions. It's obvious what he's talking about.
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So if jobs are a privilege and a job is required for survival, within capitalism survival is a privilege?
So if survival isn't a privilege, then one can survive fine without a job? Just to make sure. Otherwise capitalism must be pretty seriously flawed.
Or the fact the "job as privilege" is not some doctrinal point of capitalism and you can have a capitalist society with jobs as a privilege. You just choose to define it otherwise.
Much like you claim there has never been 100% true capitalism in the US or anywhere, or whatever it is you claim.
There has never been a pure economic system instituted anywhere. That isn't some shield you can trot out every time you can't explain a flaw in your chosen system.
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I suspect they are closet capitalists who appreciate the message traffic so they can charge more to advertise.
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"The Justice Department is telling university administrators they can grant valuable university slots to people in favored races and ethnic groups.
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The only positive that comes from such racism is it inspires other into lives they did anticipate. Talk show host Michael Savage is one example.
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Which is exactly what you fail to do.
It is hypocritical to demand of China re. CO2 emissions that which you yourself not only will not do, as evidenced by the expatriation of your capitalists' generation of CO2, but which you actively encourage in your quest for cheap goods.
YOU are the reason that China emits so much CO2.
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"The Political Style in American Politics"
http://karws.gso....yle.html
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So what does Pirouette mean? Some ballerina spinning in place. Are you a ballerina? Or do you spin issues for a living? Your kind doesn't deserve to be here. I hope they kick you off.
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I've watched this issue play out for years. The bottom line is, while the management was paid way beyond their value, skill labor was under paid way their under value.
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deepsand. . . .I don't know where or how you get the idea that I buy cheap goods that are made in China. I don't. And even if I decided to, why would you care? Are you saying that the Chinese people have no right to make a living and have a job no matter who it is that is their employer? Do you prefer for the Chinese people to be jobless because they're Chinese? You must be a racist. You're so worried about American businesses going to China, in spite of everything I"ve told you as to the reason WHY they're overseas, and yet you don't want to stop the CO2 emissions. .
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Of course the Justice Dept. is racist now. . .the Supreme Court is loaded with Socialists/Communists who hate whitesl unless the whites are Liberals. That's a foregone conclusion and has been for years now. The funny thing is that Obama only uses white Liberals and American blacks to further his agenda toward clearing the way for a Communist takeover if he's reelected. He is a Kenyan and has no ties to any slavery ancestors. He doesn't give a flying $hit about American blacks except what they can do for him.
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Really?
Really? Coming from you this doesn't surprise me, but I didn't realize this was still a talking point (maybe it isn't).
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LMAO, the chief justice maybe? How exactly are the others socialist? I didn't realize any socialists were on the supreme court. Does disagreeing with you make one socialist?
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Quoting for posterity.
http://en.wikiped..._v._Gore
It was the activist conservative court that forced the end of the recount in a 5-4 decision. Please don't lie. If you are simply mistaken you shouldn't pontificate on subjects you are woefully inadequate to pontificate on.
VVV--Wrong, You don't get to make up history, asshole.-VVV
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Once again, Pirouette is 180 degrees from the truth, and an asshole about it.
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More BS intended to evade the hard truths.
You attempts at sophistry are sophomoric; you're no better at it than you are at Science, Economic or Politics.
You'd do better to go elsewhere, and attempt to put your words into the mouth of another, than to try it with me.
You are totally lacking for the ability to engage in discourse that is either rational or civil.
You are a troll of the lowest kind.
Now, time for your to attend to your feminine hygiene, and put on some clean panties. This place reeks of your piss.
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Hung by your own petard.
If the Supreme Court is extra-constitutional, which 'liberals' seem to prefer, and Frankie asserts, then you must abide by their rule until you can stack the court with 'liberals' again.
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I said the Constitution -as YOU interpret it- is a dysfunctional document.
Your interpretation is a like recipe. The recipe includes various ingredients. It requires walking from the pantry to fetch the ingredients. When the ingredients you like are added, you don't say anything. However anytime an ingredient you don't like is about to be added you say "the recipe didn't tell you to walk over and get it!" even though it is in the recipe.
My interpretation is functional and it includes Judicial Review.
I am not paranoid enough to claim that the supreme court broke any laws in Bush v Gore. However, I'm not naive enough to think the court didn't go along partisan lines.
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It's YOUR view that (if you weren't a partisan hack) YOU would claim Bush v Gore was extra-constitutional. I said nothing of the sort. The Supreme Court was entirely within their rights to decide the case in the way they did. I'm not happy with it, I don't think it was in the spirit of the law, but it was within the letter of the law.
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Of course you must agree if you want the SCOTUS to create rights not defined in the Constitution.
How can the SCOTUS be supporting and defending the Constitution while at the same time be violating the Constitution?
I am not surprised you think this appropriate.
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I don't know, you tell me. This is the logical implication of YOUR strict constructionist view. NOT MINE.
Tell me how Judicial Review is constitutional if it is contained nowhere within the Constitution. The last time you answered this with a link to Article V which mentions nothing of the sort. Amendments are not Judicial Review. The fact that the Constitution COULD be amended to include it (literally) does not change the fact it is not (literally) contained in the constitution.
Tell me how Judicial Review is constitutional if it is contained nowhere within the Constitution.
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The way to stop JR or make it constitutional is by using Article V.
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Pirouette, re China CO2 emission, you're allowing ideological fanaticism to overcome logical thought. If the world adopts agreement to combat CO2 emissions from significant emitters, then if China/India et al do not abide by the agreement, then countries who IMPORT goods/services from non-complying countries will face IMPORT TARIFFS which 'level the playing field' for manufacturers/suppliers in the IMPORTING countries. Australia is showing the way by passing our own measures, and rest assured if China and others do NOT follow suit, Australia will then be justified in HIGH punitive IMPORT taxes on them. If US and Europe do the same (China HEAVILY DEPENDS on exports to those countries) they can improve the global CO2 situation, AND if not, then at least we'll have just cause to TAX IMPORTS from non-complying countries, and so improve OUR OWN manufacturing competiveness with countries who pay a pittance and exploit child labour.
BTW, have YOU posted under 'sockpuppet' names lately? :)
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Okay, wait. Do you realize what you just said then?
You don't like it but you want to amend the constitution to include it?
If judicial review IS unconstitutional according to your view, how can anything be declared unconstitutional?
Your view is totally incoherent. The only way to make sense of the constitution, in fact the only way to enforce it, is to imply judicial review from its structure.
This is why strict constructionism (your view, Alia's view, etc.) is untenable.
Taking the constitution word for word makes it an unenforceable document.
If then it is an unenforceable, dysfunctional document, why give it the reverence that strict constructionists do?
Strict constructionism is incoherent.
You would be right in saying amending the constitution to include judicial review would make your strict constructionist view more coherent.
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Why do you care?
Socialists can then create 'rights' out of thin air.
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So the constitution, to you, is a vehicle for denying people rights?
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In case no one gets that, the Champion of Strict Constructionism, Justice Alia, used judicial review (something not contained in the constitution and therefore [it should be] unconstitutional to him) to "create" new 'rights' for corporations.
What judicial activists you conservatives are.
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Dumb, dumber, and dumberer.
Your ancient ancestors were apes. Ergo, you are an ape.