Chemists develop liquid-based hydrogen storage material

November 22, 2011

Chemists develop liquid-based hydrogen storage material

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Stored hydrogen releases in the presence of iron chloride via a storage technology created in the University of Oregon lab of Shih-Yuan Liu. Credit: Courtesy of Shih-Yuan Liu

University of Oregon chemists have developed a boron-nitrogen-based liquid-phase storage material for hydrogen that works safely at room temperature and is both air- and moisture-stable -- an accomplishment that offers a possible route through current storage and transportation obstacles.

Reporting in a paper placed online ahead of publication in the Journal of the American Chemical Society, a team of four UO scientists describes the development of a cyclic amine borane-based platform called BN-methylcyclopentane. In addition to its temperature and stability properties, it also features hydrogen desorption, without any phase change, that is clean, fast and controllable. It uses readily available iron chloride as a catalyst for desorption, and allows for recycling of spent fuel into a charged state.

The big challenges to move this storage platform forward, researchers cautioned, are the needs to increase hydrogen yield and develop a more energy efficient regeneration mechanism.

"In addition to renewable , the development of technologies continues to be an important task toward establishing a hydrogen-based ," said Shih-Yuan Liu, professor of chemistry and researcher in the UO Material Sciences Institute.

The U.S. Department of Energy, which funded the research, is shooting to develop a viable liquid or solid carrier for by 2017. The new UO approach differs from many other technologies being studied in that it is liquid-based rather than solid, which, Liu says, would ease the possible transition from a gasoline to a .

"The field of materials-based hydrogen storage has been dominated by the study of solid-phase materials such as metal hydrides, sorbent materials and ," Liu said. "The availability of a liquid-phase hydrogen could represent a practical hydrogen storage option for mobile and carrier applications that takes advantage of the currently prevalent liquid-based fuel infrastructure."

The key is in the chemistry. Liu's team originally discovered six-membered cyclic amine borane materials that readily trimerize -- form a larger desired molecule -- with the release of hydrogen. These initial materials, however, were solids. By tweaking the structure, including reducing the ring size from 6- to a 5-membered ring, the group succeeded in creating a liquid version that has low vapor pressures and does not change its liquid property upon hydrogen release.

Initially, the new platform could be more readily adopted for use in portable fuel cell-powered devices, said Liu, who also is a member of Oregon BEST (Built Environment & Sustainable Technologies Center).

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Scottingham
Nov 22, 2011

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If there were a god, I'd ask it to bless chemists and material scientists!
nejc2008
Nov 22, 2011

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God or no god, a have a feelig that beforet this hits the market we shall all be gone a long time. As happens with all similar "revolutional" discoveries. Alas.
Cave_Man
Nov 22, 2011

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If there were anything greater or more important than me, I'd ask it to say gesundheit to me!


Mmm yeah, I totally agree.

Science is simple at the technical levels, complex at the all pervasive facet...and overall worthless to a human who lives 75 years and turns to worm food. The only way out of this cycle of thinking is that thought itself in only an abstraction of some physical law of the universe.

Vendicar_Decarian
Nov 22, 2011

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Another wonderful example of Government funded science.

We must defund this science immediately so that it does not challenge the Oil and Coal industry, and shut down the Department of Energy so that it will no longer fund these alternatives.
rynox
Nov 22, 2011

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Ideally, this could ultimately be done inexpensively and could be used in regular gasoline engines. Imagine that possibility for a moment...
Callippo
Nov 22, 2011

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Another wonderful example of Government funded science.
I can just agree. Boranes are one of most toxic and expensive to manufacture compounds on the Earth. It's much cheaper to produce hydrocarbons, i.e. the gasoline from hydrogen, coal and water, than these borohydrides - and the resulting product will even remain compatible with existing engines. This research is just a salary generator for trolls involved (and I even didn't mentioned cold fusion, which will make whole the hydrogen economy research useless crap).
antialias_physorg
Nov 22, 2011

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As they say: yield is low and yet no efficient generation mechanism.
But the advantages of liquid and (at room temperature) stable fluids is obvious. Good first step.
Eikka
Nov 22, 2011

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(and I even didn't mentioned cold fusion, which will make whole the hydrogen economy research useless crap).


But you did anyways.

Callippo
Nov 22, 2011

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Many people aren't happy about cold fusion from good reason - actually just these, who are developing alternative energetic "solutions". This is why this finding penetrates so slowly into scientific community - most of people there are dealing with some energy generation/storage applications based on chemistry - and the nuclear fusion is ten thousand times more effective. It mean, one nuclear physicist will replace fifty thousands of researchers and all these people have a good reason to remain upset with cold fusion.
Shootist
Nov 22, 2011

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More pixie dust and unicorn farts (though stable at 20C is good).
antialias_physorg
Nov 23, 2011

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Many people aren't happy about cold fusion from good reason

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get it. You like cold fusion and omatur likes neuton repulsion. But is that a reason to plug your pet crank theory into EVERY thread that has NOTHING to do with it?
It's getting old.

Wait until the next 'revelation' on cold fusion is reported on physorg (which shouldn't take too long) and then post away with everything you got. Fine.

But otherwise keep this out of unrelated threads. Please. Do.
rawa1
Nov 23, 2011

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But is that a reason to plug your pet crank theory into EVERY thread that has NOTHING to do with it
Which theory? Cold fusion is not my theory and it's actually very hot problem for all people on the Earth. Not technical, but solely sociopsychological one.

We are devastating life environment for further generations and losing huge money each day just because the attitude of people like you. We all are paying these money and risking global nuclear war for nothing - nearly twenty years already. This is simply crazy situation, at least from my perspective. We are sitting on the coffer with treasury and we are scared to open it.

Can you imagine, how the future generations will judge it?
antialias_physorg
Nov 23, 2011

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Can you imagine, how the future generations will judge it?

Can you imagine how irrelevant your contribution on cold fusion is to an article on a solution to hydrogen storage? It boggles the mind.

It should be obvious, even to you, that there is no connection. It should be obvious that your judgement of what is relavent is sorely lacking. This should give you pause when reflecting on how good your judgement is concerning technologies you have no understanding of (cold fusion).
Ricochet
Nov 23, 2011

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Even if cold fusion became a reality, we'd still need a storage medium for the hydrogen fuel that it would be using...
Royale
Nov 23, 2011

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Excellent point Ricochet. You sure need an efficient way of storing hydrogen regardless.
astro_optics
Nov 23, 2011

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Going over to Hydrogen from carbon based fuels will not solve any "Environmental probles", H2O vapour (Hydrogen burning product) is a much more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, so the Global Warming effect would get worse...will they ban H2O next???
astro_optics
Nov 23, 2011

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The best medium for storing Hydrogen are Carbon polymers :P
Callippo
Nov 23, 2011

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Can you imagine how irrelevant your contribution on cold fusion is to an article on a solution to hydrogen storage?
Of course it is relevant. This article describes the technology for energy storage. The cold fusion would make this technology unnecessary. It's direct competitor of this technology.
antialias_physorg
Nov 24, 2011

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Energy storage does not equal energy production.

If you do not understand the difference between those two then you haven't grasped the most basic fundamentals.
Ricochet
Nov 25, 2011

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Energy storage does not equal energy production.

If you do not understand the difference between those two then you haven't grasped the most basic fundamentals.


Which refers back to my previous point... Hydrogen storage would still be needed for Cold Fusion if you were using hydrogen for the fuel.
Callippo
Nov 25, 2011

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Hydrogen storage would still be needed for Cold Fusion if you were using hydrogen for the fuel.
Of course, but after then you could use the oxygen hydride as a storage hydride, despite its volatility and large volume toxicity.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Caliban
Nov 26, 2011

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Callippo has a good point, though.
If only a fraction of the funding made available for these types of essentially hydrocarbon-fuel technologies was made available for above-ground cold fusion research, our energy problems could be solved, more or less entirely.
The big roadblock to massive development and deployment of cold fusion derived energy is that it would put the hydrocarbonists out of business --permanently.

They aren't going to take the loss of trillions in revenues lying down. I suspect that this is the reason for such anemic development for "alternative energy". If it isn't going to be hitched to fossil fuels in one way or another, and therefore at some point annexable, then R&D funding is going to be very difficult to obtain.

This does nothing but sustain the current paradigm, any way you choose to look at it.

MorituriMax
Nov 26, 2011

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If only a fraction of the funding made available for these types of essentially hydrocarbon-fuel technologies was made available for above-ground cold fusion research, our energy problems could be solved, more or less entirely.

"Funding" does not equal "Technology"
Shakescene21
Nov 27, 2011

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"H2O vapour (Hydrogen burning product) is a much more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, so the Global Warming effect would get worse..."

@Astro optics - Did you forget that burning fossil fuels also releases H2O along with the CO2 ? Water vapor from gasoline combustion is not considered a substantial AGW problem, and I doubt that this would be the case with hydrogen-powered cars.
antialias_physorg
Nov 27, 2011

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Which refers back to my previous point... Hydrogen storage would still be needed for Cold Fusion if you were using hydrogen for the fuel.

Why would we need a non-working energy source to produce fuel?
Seems like a losing proposition to me.
Callippo
Nov 27, 2011

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If only a fraction of the funding made available for these types of essentially hydrocarbon-fuel technologies was made available for above-ground cold fusion research, our energy problems could be solved, more or less entirely.
But too many people would lose their jobs. The problem of contemporary society is not only to feed the people, but to give them a meaning of life. Too many people today are engaged in activities, which essentially no one requires. It becomes more and more apparent, the problem of the human society evolution are just these people, who are dealing with sh**s whole their life.
Callippo
Nov 27, 2011

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our energy problems could be solved, more or less entirely
It's not about energy problems, but environmental, sociopolitical etc. For example, the so called the "green technologies" are serving as a fossil fuel replacement, but they're bulky, material hungry, they require many rare earth elements etc, thus loading the life environment anyway, just at the places, which aren't so apparent. Their common problem is, they're based on existing technologies, so they don't contain any value added. They just replacing the consumption of energy with the consumption of materials. I do perceive it as a rather unhappy evolution, because the energy is essentially recoverable, but many materials aren't. Our civilization is too engaged in energy production, the energy production plants in whatever form are occupying more and more precious space for living and the green technologies are increasing this trend even more.
Callippo
Nov 27, 2011

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We should say clearly, at the time of cold fusion the wind plants or biofuels are as evil, as the fossil fuel plants. I don't want to have countryside covered with wind turbines or biofermentors in the same way, like with nuclear of fossil fuel plants. My priority is to have as large area of planet intact as possible and to produce all things required for living of people in as unobtrusive way, as possible. The energy should be produced just at the places, where we are consuming it = no wires, no wireless energy transfers, no batteries and similar BS. Such requirement will wipe out the substantial portion of research, which is dedicated to the development of new technologies by now. We will not need any new materials or researchers connected with it.
cloroxcomet
Nov 27, 2011

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I power my house by cold fusion. Oil companies have paid me to keep my technology a secret, so I can't give any details, but I can tell you it works great.
Eric_B
Nov 27, 2011

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cloroxcomet, as we used to say in elementary school, "you lie, you lie! you got a fly in your eye!"
Ricochet
Nov 28, 2011

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Which refers back to my previous point... Hydrogen storage would still be needed for Cold Fusion if you were using hydrogen for the fuel.

Why would we need a non-working energy source to produce fuel?
Seems like a losing proposition to me.


You missed the point. If cold fusion worked, you'd still need a method to store the fuel for it. Get it now?
Callippo
Nov 28, 2011

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If cold fusion worked, you'd still need a method to store the fuel for it. Get it now?

It's much more easier the transfer the hydrogen in form of water after then, because the energy required for electrolysis will be negligible with compare to energy of cold fusion.
MorituriMax
Nov 28, 2011

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I think he got it without the condescending attitude, ricochet. Maybe he even sees a problem with it that you don't?
Ricochet
Nov 28, 2011

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I think he got it without the condescending attitude, ricochet. Maybe he even sees a problem with it that you don't?

He's more than able to state that, be it his intention. Who are you to insult for anyone but yourself?
Callippo
Nov 28, 2011

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IMO the most effective arrangement of cold fusion would be a co-deposition of nickel and hydrogen in some molten salt electrolyte, i.e. with no external nickel and hydrogen supply.

http://www.focus....7167.pdf
http://www.spawar...vol1.pdf
http://newenergyt...ts-w.pdf
http://newenergyt...ions.pdf
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