No alien visits or UFO coverups, White House says

Nov 07, 2011 By Nancy Atkinson, Universe Today
Movie poster from 'Independence Day.' Credit: 20th Century Fox

The White House has responded to two petitions asking the US government to formally acknowledge that aliens have visited Earth and to disclose to any intentional withholding of government interactions with extraterrestrial beings. “The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race,” said Phil Larson from the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy, on the WhiteHouse.gov website. “In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye.”

5,387 people had signed the petition for immediately disclosing the government’s knowledge of and communications with extraterrestrial beings, and 12,078 signed the request for a formal acknowledgement from the White House that extraterrestrials have been engaging the human race.

“Hundreds of military and government agency witnesses have come forward with testimony confirming this extraterrestrial presence,” the second petition states. “Opinion polls now indicate more than 50% of the American people believe there is an extraterrestrial presence and more than 80% believe the government is not telling the truth about this phenomenon. The people have a right to know. The people can handle the truth.”

These petitions come from an Obama Administration initiative called ‘We the People’ which has White House staffers respond and consider taking action on any issue that receives at least 25,000 online signatures. Regarding these two petitions, the White House promised to respond if the petitions got 17,000 or more signatures by Oct. 22.

Larson stressed that the facts show that there is no credible evidence of extraterrestrial presence here on . He pointed out that even though many scientists have come to the conclusion that the odds of life somewhere else in the Universe are fairly high, the chance that any of them are making contact with humans are extremely small, given the distances involved.

But that doesn’t mean we aren’t searching, there is just no evidence yet. Larson mentioned SETI (correctly noting that this at first was a NASA effort, but is now funded privately) keeping an “ear” out for signals from any intelligent extraterrestrials, with none found so far. He also added that the Kepler spacecraft is searching for Earth-like planets in the habitable zones around other stars, and that the Curiosity rover will launch to Mars this month to “assess what the Martian environment was like in the past to see if it could have harbored life.”

Regarding any evidence for alien life, all anyone has now is “statistics and speculation,” said Larson. “The fact is we have no credible evidence of extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.”

Whether or not this will appease or satisfy any conspiracy theorists or UFO believers is yet to be seen, but it is gratifying to see the respond in such a no-nonsense manner.

UPDATE: The Paradigm Research Group, one of the organizations sponsoring the petitions, has issued a statement saying, “As expected it was written by a low level staffer from the Office of Science and Technology Policy – research assistant Phil Larson. The response was unacceptable.”

See the petitions and the response at the WhiteHouse.gov website.

Hat Tip: NASA Watch

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Doug_Huffman
1 / 5 (4) Nov 07, 2011
Read physicist E. T. Jaynes on 'Converging and diverging views' 5.2 of his Probability Theory: The Logic of Science.
El_Nose
3.7 / 5 (6) Nov 07, 2011
This of course is just the lastest installment of the ongoing cover-up...

NASA really sent a projectile to hit the dark side of the moon to study its debris -- you bought that headline ?... hunh

j/k
JRDarby
3.2 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2011
The most interesting part of the whole affair IMO is that there is significant evidence that (1) there is more going on than the government is allowing, and (2) also that the government or individual-actor members thereof are actively feeding information to certain groups of the public, especially civilian UFO enthusiasts.

If there is something going on, you'd expect no forthrightness from any authority. Yet we have military agents like Scott Jones and Richard Doty giving us all kinds of "information," which is all absurd if viewed with an objective eye. This information is especially given to "believers" who lap it up without questioning.

If there isn't anything going on, why do countless normal people with every reason NOT to come forward continue to bring stories of personal experiences with [whatever this is; I refuse labels]? The content of many anecdotes are easily verifiable. The Mothman phenomenon is a good example.
JRDarby
3 / 5 (2) Nov 07, 2011
SRY 4 2POST!

The most interesting part of the whole affair IMO is that there is significant evidence that (1) there is more going on than the government is allowing, and (2) also that the government or individual-actor members thereof are actively feeding information to certain groups of the public, especially civilian UFO enthusiasts.

If there is something going on, you'd expect no forthrightness from any authority. Yet we have military agents like Scott Jones and Richard Doty giving us all kinds of "information," which is all absurd if viewed with an objective eye. This information is especially given to sincere but unquestioning "believers" who lap it up without a thought (e.g. Budd Hopkins).

If there isn't anything going on, why do countless normal people with every reason NOT to come forward continue to bring stories of personal experiences with [whatever this is; I refuse labels]? The content of many anecdotes are easily verifiable. The Mothman phenomenon is a good example.
Nerdyguy
4 / 5 (29) Nov 07, 2011
"No alien visits or UFO coverups, White House says"

Sure, then explain the photo above.
Nerdyguy
2 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2011
[qYet we have military agents like Scott Jones and Richard Doty giving us all kinds of "information," which is all absurd if viewed with an objective eye.

Please don't refer to Scott Jones and Richard Doty as "military agents" until you see them at a press conference, at the White House press room, surrounded by other members of the military and political establishment.

Or, conversely, please believe that I have been sent here by a group of concerned galactic peace enforcers to spread misinformation. Either way.
Sean_W
3.1 / 5 (25) Nov 07, 2011
I never believed in UFO coverup conspiracies before but given that Democrats can't tell the truth if their lives (or wives) depended on it, I'm thinking this denial means they know that invasion is imminent and have cut a deal with our new rulers.
Nerdyguy
1.8 / 5 (16) Nov 07, 2011
"5,387 people had signed the petition for immediately disclosing the governments knowledge of and communications with extraterrestrial beings"

About the same size as the number of loons at the OWS. And, I would expect, some crossover exists.
JRDarby
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 07, 2011
Even more interesting, in my opinion, is the proliferation of myriad UFO mythologies spawned by hack writers, the disturbed or insane, and sincere people with experiences they can't explain.

If you go to a UFO conference, you'll find people who think that reptilians control the planet, who think UFOs are the Illuminati, who think they're grays or are divided by some hierarchy, who think they're slavemasters from outer space, who think they're government projects, who think they are fairies, who think they're ancient astronauts or reincarnated humans, who don't think UFOs are of this dimension or corporeal, and of course people who "don't believe in UFOs" at all.

The point is that we might benefit from approaching the phenomenon sociologically. The entire affair is a battle of narratives. The explanations for the experiences of many sincere and NOT insane people may tend toward the dismissive or naive realism, true, but understanding the phenomenon outside itself may be of help.
JRDarby
2.5 / 5 (2) Nov 07, 2011
Please don't refer to Scott Jones and Richard Doty as "military agents" until you see them at a press conference, at the White House press room, surrounded by other members of the military and political establishment.


They represent themselves as such, they actually were in the military, and they released information formally as government agents on different occasions. Even if they hadn't, there is a whole list of confirmed former and present military personnel who have.

Maybe the USAF central command doesn't know what these people are saying, maybe they don't care, maybe they're telling them to say it, and maybe none of this is true. All we know is (1) they said what they said and (2) lots (and I mean LOTS) of UFO "believers" have taken them at their words.
JRDarby
1 / 5 (2) Nov 07, 2011
I've researched the field extensively and I'll be the first to tell you that you're a damned fool if you come to ANY firm conclusions about ANYTHING. Often paranoia and the sincere desire to believe in something for some reason inside of you are the two cognitive roadblocks that stand in the way of critical thinking and lead many down a path to ruin.

That said, a calm, dispassionate look at the field does reveal many interesting correlations, possible evidence (for both sides), and human characters with numerous motives and backgrounds. I don't speak for ANY accuracy as to this list but from my own research I think that this man has done a decent job of determining the sincerity of some members of the field: http://www.biblio..._27f.htm

antialias_physorg
3.6 / 5 (16) Nov 07, 2011
Opinion polls now indicate more than 50% of the American people believe there is an extraterrestrial presence and more than 80% believe the government is not telling the truth

Then it's settled. If opinion polls show it it must be true /sarcasm

and of course people who "don't believe in UFOs" at all.

Oh I think everybody believes in UFOs. That a flying object is not identified does not, however, automatically mean that it's of alien origin. Simply that the observer can't register it to a known object.
btb101
2.8 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2011
why has there been no deep scan by hubble or kepler for the source of the wow signal?
why is it illegal to use the hydrogen frequency to send out a cosmic hello to all in the area?
and finally...
why do politicians always think they know whats best for the public...
JRDarby
3.6 / 5 (5) Nov 07, 2011
On the contrary, antialias, I think some people will go so far in their skepticism as to suggest most people are fabricating stories of their experiences, and furthermore that any actual experiences are ONLY hallucinations and delusions. The latter may be an explanation that necessarily presumes the phenomenon to exist, but the former isn't too uncommon. There will always be people that believe (UFO true believers) and disbelieve (many CSICOP pseudoskeptics) without any evidence or reason outside some deep-seated, unexamined need nestled in their psyche.
antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (16) Nov 07, 2011
I was just pointing out that
UFO = unidentified flying object

This means any flying object that is not identified. No more. No less.

This is quite different from saying: 'Flying saucers' or 'aliens'

There are many UFOs every day. If I throw a stick past your window and you don't realize it's a stick (because you only caught it out of the corner of your eye) then it's a UFO.

But this doesn't mean that, since you simply couldn't identify it, that you therefore automatically believe in aliens.
kochevnik
2.8 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2011
I guess humans aren't tasty.
Trent_Herring
5 / 5 (8) Nov 07, 2011
no ufo coverups?

what about the battle of l.a.?

anti aircraft shells seem a little excessive for a weather ballon.
caeman
5 / 5 (15) Nov 07, 2011
If you believe in aliens, and you believe there is a cover-up, and you believe the White House is part of cover-up, do you honestly expect them to admit they are part of the conspiracy? Really?
that_guy
4.7 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2011
Why would Obama out himself as one of the Alien Overlords? Seems pretty stupid to even ask. I mean, there is no alien overlord. I am not XENU, and I do not have an unhealthy obsession with human brains.

But seriously - If you believe they are covering up something nefariously, you would expect them to open up as soon as you ask politely? Idiotic.
Osiris1
1.9 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2011
We built a secret radio observatory on a mountaintop in Mexico with the cooperation of the Mexican government in the nineties. It is pointed toward deep space and its focus is said to be limited to a just a small corrective angle in two dimensions of spherical coordinates; so it is a single purpose use of a large dollar amount of resources. There are structures within the Nellis test range in Nevada that appear to have no resemblance to any architecture on earth that I have ever seen. And contained in these comments are references to the old defense of marginalizing and accusing of insanity all who mention anything about we being not 'unique in the universe'. Best we wait till an atheist power like China gets off planet first whilst our 'free' governments are mired in recession caused by China suckin up all da 'free trade' on this planet and getting rich by dumping low cost labor on the market. When THEY get to Mars first, the truth will come out.
georgert
3.7 / 5 (6) Nov 07, 2011
Hundreds of military and government agency witnesses have come forward with testimony confirming this extraterrestrial presence, says the article. You know, Alex Jones uses that word "confirmed" a lot when he discusses the numerous global conspiracies that threaten all life on earth. I'm just having increasing trouble understanding what "confirmed" means anymore. The fact that I see the moon does not necessarly confirm that it's made of green cheese.
georgert
4.2 / 5 (13) Nov 07, 2011
"The White House statement was unacceptable." That sounds like the hypochondriac who will keep going to different doctors until he finds one who will tell him he's sick.
Nerdyguy
1.6 / 5 (10) Nov 07, 2011
They represent themselves as such, they actually were in the military, and they released information formally as government agents on different occasions. Even if they hadn't, there is a whole list of confirmed former and present military personnel who have.


You are quite mistaken here. There is not ONE actual case of a United States government employee who has given a statement, on the record, as an employee of the government, and been backed by any higher ups.

Anyone at all can claim to have been a member of the military. Anyone can fake documents and make it look "real".

And, many people who may have a military background have given statements as private citizens. This is in no way a reflection of the military having a role in their personal lives.
Nerdyguy
2.8 / 5 (13) Nov 07, 2011
why has there been no deep scan by hubble or kepler for the source of the wow signal?
why is it illegal to use the hydrogen frequency to send out a cosmic hello to all in the area?
and finally...
why do politicians always think they know whats best for the public...


Obviously it's a coverup.

Same reason they won't do a scan of the other important signals below:

1) Wowie!
2) Whoopdey doo
3) Whassup w/ that
Nerdyguy
2.2 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2011
We built a secret radio observatory on a mountaintop in Mexico with the cooperation of the Mexican government in the nineties. It is pointed toward deep space and its focus is said to be limited to a just a small corrective angle in two dimensions of spherical coordinates; so it is a single purpose use of a large dollar amount of resources. There are structures within the Nellis test range...


Either you personally worked on this, or not. If you did, you're committing treason. If you didn't, you're spreading gossip as you have no means to verify anything at a "secret" government installation. Either way, your very actions cause one to doubt your credibility.

Personally, I don't doubt there are alien civilizations. And I'm optimistic that life is abundant. But, people aren't necessarily poking fun at the "idea" of aliens. It's more the character of those who circumvent logic in favor of conspiracy that is humorous.
TopherTO
5 / 5 (1) Nov 07, 2011
Best we wait till an atheist power like China gets off planet first whilst our 'free' governments are mired in recession caused by China suckin up all da 'free trade' on this planet and getting rich by dumping low cost labor on the market. When THEY get to Mars first, the truth will come out.


The truth will come once China lands on Mars? China?? Beyond secular (not athiest btw), this is one of the more secretive and authoritarian governments on the planet. You are relying on it to expose the truth about a secret Martian civilization? On the verge of becoming a super power in their own right, status quo is working for them it seems.
dschlink
5 / 5 (2) Nov 07, 2011
Always as a simple question of believers (of any sort): What would convince you that you were wrong? 99.999% of the time, they will tell you: "Nothing, because I know it's true."

In science, one solid, repeatable experiment and the whole theory is out the window. And the scientists are then happy to work out a new approach.
Osiris1
1.7 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2011
Nerdguy, this story was all over physics and astronomy mailing lists in the early 90's. Some people who tried to go to that extinct volcano where the observatory was being built were handled roughly by the Mexican security forces on the job there keeping people out. Those who flew over it reported the aim of the antenna being fixed by the geography of the interior of the volcano, and pointed to a specific location in deep space. I have no knowledge of just where, but the statement in one of the articles and letters said that the nearest star along that trajectory was over 11 light years or so....again not too clear on the exact. You are either too young to have known this, or chose to ignore the history for your own reasons. And by the way...it is not treason to expose a fact that could bear on the future of our whole species. If an approaching asteroid threatened us and the fact was 'classified', maybe you would argue legal points instead of mitigating the threat...eh??
Osiris1
1.4 / 5 (10) Nov 07, 2011
China, the 'Peoples Republic, IS and atheist power. It has for years suppressed active proselytising for any religions. It has routinely excersized a veto over Catholic bishopric appointments since its coming to power. The official only political party allowed in the People's Republic is the Communist Party of China. The Communist Party is atheist by philosophy for by their ideological mentor, Vladimr Ulyanov AKA Nicolai Lenin said that .."religion was the opiate of the people!" Try becoming a follower of the the Chinese faith: 'Falun Gong' and try preaching that on the streets of the People's Republic and see what happens to you!
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2011
Those who flew over it reported the aim of the antenna being fixed by the geography of the interior of the volcano, and pointed to a specific location in deep space.

Interesting how they managed that, since the world is - you know - turning and all.

To make a fixed observation of a small part of the sky you actually need a mobile dish.
Shootist
2.3 / 5 (9) Nov 07, 2011
Those who flew over it reported the aim of the antenna being fixed by the geography of the interior of the volcano, and pointed to a specific location in deep space.

Interesting how they managed that, since the world is - you know - turning and all.

To make a fixed observation of a small part of the sky you actually need a mobile dish.


In high orbit.
Nerdyguy
1.8 / 5 (6) Nov 07, 2011
no ufo coverups?

what about the battle of l.a.?

anti aircraft shells seem a little excessive for a weather ballon.


The battle of L.A. = the same generation responsible for the mass panic over War of the Worlds. Don't think for an instant that mass hysteria can't be a perfectly acceptable answer.

In any case, we were doing all the shooting. At what? Who knows? Who cares. No green men came down to talk to us or show us the bullet holes we caused.
JRDarby
4 / 5 (1) Nov 07, 2011
and been backed by any higher ups.


Nerdyguy, I think you overlook the value that releasing these statements from a position of authority has, whether or not they are verified by the brass. You know, I know, and the military knows that as soon as someone says something, anything, many UFO believers will immediately take it as gospel--ALL THE MORE SO when the statement is retracted, especially soon after the information is released.

My point is not to say that these people are releasing ACTUAL information intended to be taken as truth by everyone. My point is simply to observe that these people and others have released statements, like juicy morsels of meat for the believers, from a position of authority for whatever reason. Maybe they're acting alone, in which case none can guess their motives; maybe they're acting on behalf of USAFINT; maybe it's something totally different. As I've said before, it's extremely dangerous to come to any firm conclusions.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (12) Nov 07, 2011
Those who flew over it reported the aim of the antenna being fixed by the geography of the interior of the volcano, and pointed to a specific location in deep space.

Interesting how they managed that, since the world is - you know - turning and all.

To make a fixed observation of a small part of the sky you actually need a mobile dish.


I think that if the measurements of the hour, minute and seconds were recorded at the moment of flyover, as well as the shadows within the volcano, it might have been possible to fix the coordinates of the telescope's aim. Then they would only have to calculate on a computer with the correct program to find the point of the sky targeted.
Pirouette
1.3 / 5 (13) Nov 07, 2011
georgert says:
"The White House statement was unacceptable." That sounds like the hypochondriac who will keep going to different doctors until he finds one who will tell him he's sick.


I am surprised that Stephen Basset is still pursuing an admittance from the White House that E.T. spacecraft exists and are flying around our skies. He should've understood by now that Obama and his admin., even if they actually KNEW anything, they wouldn't tell the truth about it. Obama is busy campaigning for his reelection next year, plus he is worried about getting his Jobs Plan through, and fundamentally destroying our American way of life. With all these things on his mind, OF COURSE he's not going to admit to anything that will take attention away from his agenda. He has bigger fish to fry after all. Turning the U.S. into a fully Socialist country takes precedence over UFOs or IFOs. Who knows, if he's reelected, he MIGHT tell us that we are being visited by E.T.
Schri
5 / 5 (2) Nov 07, 2011
One foot in the twenty-first century, the head in the dark ages. So much conjecture, such mistrust and superstition and so little critical thinking. China will be running the world while the Americans stare into space out in the desert. When they do arrive, can I be Tommy Lee Jones?
Pirouette
1 / 5 (5) Nov 07, 2011
You can be Tommy Lee Jones. . . .just don't be Chaz Bono.
LightSeeker88
not rated yet Nov 07, 2011
"No alien visits or UFO coverups, White House says"

Sure, then explain the photo above.


lol righhhht
ROBTHEGOB
1.8 / 5 (5) Nov 07, 2011
"trust no one" - Fox Mulder
sherriffwoody
4 / 5 (2) Nov 07, 2011
Come on, we all must know by now that UFOs and aliens are a deceptions created by demons that are crossing into our dimension. They're preparing us for something grand, cross breeding with us and want a body again after their bodies were stripped from them when they become fallen angels./chuckles
david13579
5 / 5 (1) Nov 07, 2011
Lol this is funny. Whether aliens exist is irrelevant, what matter is that the person that you think is lying to you tells you they aren't lying and you believe it.

It's like asking a know murderer if they have killed anyone and believing them when they say no.

If you think the government is covering aliens up, then wouldn't them saying "no" be a cover up of the cover up?
omatumr
1 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2011
Mistrust of world leaders and government science is a natural consequence of coordinated efforts to "whitewash" evidence of deceit in the Nov 2009 Climategate e-mails.

Statements of support from the US NAS, the UN's IPCC, the UK's RS and a Nobel Prize from the Norwegian Prize Committee did not restore public confidence in Al Gore and the army of government-funded climatologists, but . . .

That action seriously undercut confidence in world leaders and leaders of the scientific community.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
http://myprofile....anuelo09

bloodbones
1 / 5 (1) Nov 07, 2011
I dont doubt they exist but i doubt they visit us.
Let´s say we humans we will get to a point where we can travel trough space at light speed and at one point we find a race but they are not advanced, they are just like us now (18 months to get to Mars) why would we hide ourselves, what they could do to us? There´s no reason to hide no?
Thex1138
not rated yet Nov 07, 2011
I am sure a little bit of snooping by Anon-Ops might find things a little more interesting to talk about...
kochevnik
3.2 / 5 (11) Nov 07, 2011
It is pointed toward deep space and its focus is said to be limited to a just a small corrective angle in two dimensions of spherical coordinates;
This was back in perestroika days, so I could have the wrong antenna, but I remember reading about Americans building a concrete antenna in a crater and employing variable phase radio antennas to control the aim. If so then the antenna would be broad-purpose covering a larger swath of sky.
Either you personally worked on this, or not. If you did, you're committing treason.
FYI your government agencies leak information all the time, either to damage the reputation of other agencies or as backhanded bragging to bolster their prestige. That's what your "wars" like the "war on terrorism" and "war on drugs" are all about. Agencies are vying to increase their share of the House pie. Far from being prosecuted as treason, it's big business that gets people promoted.
Graeme
not rated yet Nov 08, 2011
They did not rule out time travelers or the existence of a non-alien but superior technology civilization currently existing on the earth that most do not know about. But perhaps that was not what the UFO fans asked about.
Sinister1811
2.1 / 5 (12) Nov 08, 2011
Whether you believe in the phenomenon or not, UFO reports make for interesting reading. Especially ones where "occupants" are reported.
http://www.ufoevi...ncounter
Osiris1
2.1 / 5 (11) Nov 08, 2011
The one writer was right is saying a fixed focus antenna would sweep a circle in the sky with a path set by the rotation of the earth. The motion of the earth about the sun in a year, and the motion of our local group with respect to the arm of the galaxy we occupy also contribute, however small. With computers and timers, the fixed focus to a single point in deep space is again found at least once a day for a certain period of time. So the comment, now with modifications, stands. I give thanks to Kochevnik for his support and his memory. Not all of us are old farts with long memories...help to remind the young upstarts that they do not know ...everything.
Skepticus
2.6 / 5 (10) Nov 08, 2011
No, UFO did not have contact with the government.
No, Tank is a term used in a project making containers.
No, the Manhattan Project did not exist.
No, the SR-71, B1, B2, F117 did not exist.
No, the WMDs did not exist...wait, it's true.!
Anyone on this planet who takes a government's word for it face value is a certified moron.
Truthforall
3.3 / 5 (7) Nov 08, 2011
Why is this in the news at all?
If cover up is admitted, then it is news.
tommytalks77
3 / 5 (6) Nov 08, 2011
Anyone who says there is no real evidence that we are being visited by aliens is either deliberately lying or hasn't seen the evidence as there is plenty of it and not only accounts from witnesses but real hard evidence. Just do some research and you'll find it out...
shockr
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 08, 2011
I try to take a skeptical approach to this site. However the huge wealth of video and photographic material that's available now is quite convincing. Sure, there are many whackos out there, and plenty of people who have had an anal-probe too many.

I think for a lot of us, it's too disheartening for us not to believe. The idea that there's more out there and that we'll get to travel amongst the stars is too fantastic to ignore. If aliens exist, it's so we can piggyback our way to technology when the human race seems hell bent on destroying itself.

I mean, how hard is it to write a little note next to your art in a field?

If this is the disclosure project as run by Dr Greer, they can't honestly believe the US government is just going to put their hands up and say 'sorry.. we were lying for 50 years and we're sitting on a new energy source' etc..
Egnite
1 / 5 (1) Nov 08, 2011
lol some interesting opinions in amongst all that but very little fact (apologies but this post won't be any better)! Maybe you should all watch discovery more and learn about ancient anstronauts, afterall discovery wouldn't lie! And governments certainly don't lie either, Obama and Cameron have both successfully followed through with their policy promises prior to election! lmao, people are either naive or lunatics...

Didn't your mothers tell you 'Take what you watch with a pinch of salt and never trust a politician.'??
Nerdyguy
1.7 / 5 (6) Nov 08, 2011
Nerdyguy, I think you overlook the value that releasing these statements from a position of authority has, whether or not they are verified by the brass.


Alright, one more time I'll try with a little reasoning:

There have NEVER been ANY "releases" MADE by a person in a POSITION OF AUTHORITY. None. Zero. Zip.

There have been lots and lots of fakers, scams, pretenders, etc.

But, not one person who was actually in the military or government who has released an official, on-the-record report about aliens. Other than the "we don't know anything" like the article above.
that_guy
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 08, 2011
No, UFO did not have contact with the government.
No, Tank is a term used in a project making containers.
No, the Manhattan Project did not exist.
No, the SR-71, B1, B2, F117 did not exist.
No, the WMDs did not exist...wait, it's true.!
Anyone on this planet who takes a government's word for it face value is a certified moron.

Of course, the government won't divulge everything it knows, especially when it comes to military equipment or intelligence secrets. That should be understood. Otherwise we might as well send certified couriers over to beijing to hand over all our latest research and government opinions.

However, that doesn't mean the government lies about everything either, especially when it has not point to.
that_guy
5 / 5 (3) Nov 08, 2011
...so let's put it like this - What makes you think that an alien contact would care about contacting solely the most militarily powerful nation on a world?

I seriously doubt that military power would be important to them, seeing as they have the technology to be more powerful and evade any strikes by us. The military power of an inferior civilization would be...inconsequential to them. They would probably have other factors that motivate them. Now with that assumption, who is to say they only contact one nation?

Do you go so deep into your conspiracy theory that you believe that every nation in the world is going to hold back proof of alien contact and clam up? I'm sorry, but not every country are allies, and there are plenty of nations that would be motivated to spill the beans on this if it were true.
Arkaleus
1 / 5 (5) Nov 08, 2011
It's a carefully worded denial. What I want to know is if we have any evidence that life existed (as in past tense) in the solar system. I wager we do, and it was found on Mars in the form of ocean life fossils.
that_guy
3 / 5 (2) Nov 08, 2011
So now it's a double conspiracy, fossils on mars and intelligent species spying on us...Unless it's the modern day martians?

You're right, it is carefully worded like a true atheist would say it - There certainly isn't conclusive evidence regarding alien objects or intelligence sneaking around, but there is always a possibility that we just don't recognize it. So I think his answer makes perfect sense. He's not going to claim that there aren't aliens around because that is, in fact, in the realm of possibility.

However, from a scientific view, none of the 'evidence' we have points any closer to aliens than it does to simpler more pedestrian causes. Unexplained does not mean it is unexplainable, or that it is aliens - it just means we don't have enough evidence to explain it.
Isaacsname
not rated yet Nov 08, 2011
What about " The Disclosure Project " ?

http://www.youtub...Ve-6YdUk

Bs or not ?
Nerdyguy
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 08, 2011
What about " The Disclosure Project " ?

http://www.youtub...Ve-6YdUk

Bs or not ?


It could be argued that it's difficult to make a first impression. For example, I laughed so hard after reading the first phrase in the first sentence under that video that I'll not look again.

"A large number of ex high ranking officials including air traffic controllers..."

FYI - air traffic controllers are neither high ranking, nor are they officials.

Nothing against air traffic controllers, mind you.
Pirouette
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 08, 2011
If the comma was AFTER the word 'officials', and then they say, 'including air traffic controllers', the air traffic controllers would be separate from officials. Therefore, the sentence would not equate air traffic controllers as officials, but as a separate group.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (5) Nov 08, 2011
Some YouTube videos are so amateurish. One would think the videographer would take better care not to misspell and to perfect their grammar and syntax before publishing online.
Isaacsname
not rated yet Nov 08, 2011
So the fact it was held at the National Press Club carries no gravitas ?

Sorry if it's a stupid question, I don't follow UFO stuff. I admit the opening speaker was a complete cheeseball :P
Pirouette
1 / 5 (6) Nov 08, 2011
@Isaacsname
I want to thank you for that Disclosure video. I watched 1 hour and 3 minutes of it and have about 55 more minutes to go to finish.
I must say I'm very impressed with all the speakers and the things said about UFOs. I was particularly impressed with Donna Hare, former NASA employee who said that she has proof that NASA airbrushes UFOs out of each picture of the Earth and elsewhere. I've long held that NASA masks pictures of Mars to hide certain features of it that they don't want getting out to the public. One time, on another website run by Jim Miller, someone posted a Google Earth picture of a silvery-white UFO from above a city. It was round and hovered over some buildings.
I will need to finish watching the video later. Thanks again.
Cynical1
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 10, 2011
So, according to believers, an alien race or two(who also happen to bi-pedal and have Terran symmetry, by all accounts) took the time to travel here (a LOT of time, cuz no-one has proven the possibility of a warp drive) and interract only with the leaders of the "Free World"...
Sounds like a religious cult in which only the highest of the high priests get to talk to "god"...
Let's try another, equally as plausible(maybe even more so), explanation.
After 450 MILLION years of evolution -amphibian life forms actually DID achieve our level of intelligence, prob'ly more. They developed a high level of technical ability and then destroyed themselves with it... A few are still around and they look a lot like the "greys".
Those few that were left created a new life form - reptiles - and the cycle began anew.
The remaining few of THEM created a life form - mammalia.

Cynical1
2.3 / 5 (6) Nov 10, 2011
(cont)
Sure, the "greys" and the "reptilians" can travel around the solar system,\. They've been around long enough to perfect THAT technology...
Maybe they're hoping mammals will invent a warp drive...

Okay, that's my story(re; THEORY) and I'm stickin to it!
(until someone can give me a more plausible conjecture on the subject...:-)
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (10) Nov 11, 2011
LOL Cynical1. . . .there's no such thing as reptilian overlords. You are too funny. Obama's administration wouldn't know anything about Extraterrestrials and warp drives. They don't know much of anything except for furthering their Socialist cause in any way they can. No science there, not even sci-fi. Most likely, there would be separate and autonomous agencies who deal with such things as E.T.s and their vehicles. You don't know. Neither does most anyone else. The only "evidence" available is blurry pictures and testimony. But one has to wonder why so many people come forth to tell of their experience. Is everyone in the world with this type experience crazy? If so, then you have a whole bunch of people piloting passenger planes, flying fighter planes, members of police, fire, and military, and ordinary citizens who swear the E.T.s and their spacecraft exist and are real. That's an awful lot of crazy people and they're in sensitive jobs requiring nerve.
Pirouette
1.6 / 5 (7) Nov 11, 2011
Maybe it's best not to fly on passenger planes anymore. There's no telling if the pilot or co-pilot is crazy too.
Another thing: how does one PROVE the possibility of a "warp drive"? For that matter, 200 years ago, how could one PROVE the possibility of Black Holes and Neutron stars?
We are ALL on a learning curve, that's why we frequent websites like Physorg and others.
Personally, I'm suspicious of those whose conclusions on these things are an open and shut case and insist that there is nothing to any of the E.T. stories. Skepticism may be healthy, but that too, has no evidence.to the contrary.
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 11, 2011
Another thing: how does one PROVE the possibility of a "warp drive"?

By making a theory and building one.

how could one PROVE the possibility of Black Holes and Neutron stars?

By deriving their existence from theory (which shoudl, itself, be established via observation), making predictions about what they would look like as observed from Earth, and then finding them (which has been done)

Skepticism may be healthy, but that too, has no negative evidence.

Fallacy. You cannot prove a negative. Saying that scepticism has no proof and therefore should be abandoned is a self-contradicting statement.
Koen
1 / 5 (3) Nov 12, 2011
Indeed, no extraterrestrial alien coverup, or UFOs coverop, but certainly a coverup for almost a century now of Tesla's teleforce and telegeodynamics technology, meaning the "U"FOs are of terrestrial origin, and kept secret by means of a firm grip over all science organisation anywhere in the world. For instance, Podkletnov's modern teleforce experiment (rediscovery of Tesla's obscured scienc) is totally ignored by the entire physics community, as a consequence of very strict control over research budgets and research subjects. Tesla's teleforce can be understood as a fix of Lorentz force that does not satisfy Newton's third principle, in case of open electric circuits.
Koen
1 / 5 (3) Nov 12, 2011
Indeed, no extraterrestrial alien coverup, or UFOs coverop, but certainly a coverup for almost a century now of Tesla's teleforce and telegeodynamics technology, meaning the "U"FOs are of terrestrial origin, and kept secret by means of a firm grip over all science organisation anywhere in the world. For instance, Podkletnov's modern teleforce experiment (rediscovery of Tesla's obscured scienc) is totally ignored by the entire physics community, as a consequence of very strict control over research budgets and research subjects. Tesla's teleforce can be understood as a fix of Lorentz force that does not satisfy Newton's third principle, in case of open electric circuits.
Claudius
1 / 5 (4) Nov 12, 2011
There have NEVER been ANY "releases" MADE by a person in a POSITION OF AUTHORITY. None. Zero. Zip.


"On July 8, 1947, Colonel Blanchard issued an official Army Air Force press release stating that the base intelligence office had recovered a so-called "flying disc" or "flying saucer" from a nearby ranch, it had been found "sometime last week," and they were flying it to "higher headquarters"."

-Wikipedia

Of course, it was retracted the next day, but your statement that there have never been any releases by a person in a position of authority is clearly incorrect.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (3) Nov 12, 2011
The "higher headquarters" being an agency SIMILAR to the CIA or OSS, but of a more secretive nature, in 1947. In that year, we had recently come out of WW2 and our gov't realized that the Russians, who pretended friendship, were spying on us. The AAF probably swooped down on the ranch, grabbed the object and took it for evaluation, thinking that it might be a Russian spying device. There were no satellites at the time and Russia was far from New Mexico, but some in the AAF may have decided it must be Russian. But upon a thorough examination, the secret agency to whom the objects were given, realized that they had an E.T. spacecraft, so they quickly informed the AAF to retract the "flying saucer" statement, hoping to end any further investigation or rumours about it.
If it had really been just a weather balloon, then why all the secrecy, denials, and threats against civilian witnesses to the fact? In those days, weather balloons were a common thing to be seen. One comes down, no biggie
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (6) Nov 12, 2011
There was no need to whisk away and hide a "weather balloon" and do all the things as mentioned above. If the Army Air Force at the time wanted to excite more speculation and rumour as to the crashing of an Extraterrestrial spacecraft in Roswell, NM, they couldn't have done a better job of it. And since they did not kill off the witnesses of the object at the time, these witnesses told their very credible stories. Now the secret Agencies are determined to prevent anyone from getting at the truth. Obama doesn't know a thing about it. HE's only a President and will eventually leave the Oval Office. People like Col. John B. Alexander, likewise, was looking in all the wrong places and people to get info on UFOs, IN SPITE of his "top level clearance". Main stream government has nothing to do with Extraterrestrials and UFO hunters should know that by now. Black ops don't keep their records in the National Archives, CIA or FBI.
Nerdyguy
1.7 / 5 (6) Nov 12, 2011
There have NEVER been ANY "releases" MADE by a person in a POSITION OF AUTHORITY. None. Zero. Zip.


"On July 8, 1947, Colonel Blanchard issued an official Army Air Force press release stating that the base intelligence office had recovered a so-called "flying disc" or "flying saucer" from a nearby ranch, it had been found "sometime last week," and they were flying it to "higher headquarters"."

-Wikipedia

Of course, it was retracted the next day, but your statement that there have never been any releases by a person in a position of authority is clearly incorrect.


Have to grant you that one, I recall seeing prints of the newspaper articles at the time. Of course, it was retracted. But, you're correct that it was released. I need to amend my statement:

ONE official report has been made in the history of UFOlogy, and it was immediately retracted and the officer apologized for being such a doofus!
Pirouette
1.6 / 5 (7) Nov 12, 2011
Nerdyguy, The officer wasn't being a doofus. He said it was a UFO because weather balloons are ROUND as a GLOBE, NOT shaped like a saucer. I saw plenty of weather balloons as a kid and I KNEW they were ROUND. The UFO means "UNIDENTIFIED flying object". which means they could NOT identify it as a weather balloon on the ground. In the air, it should have been readily identifiable, even at a great height. But the object was NOT round as in weather balloon, which is why it was taken away to be examined. If it were round, there would not have been such a fuss and they could have left the balloon material if it was so damaged. But they didn't, and to this day, military jet fighters are scrambled to chase UFOs in the air, by almost ALL governments. Every aircraft in the world shows up in Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide, and nowhere in the Guide does it show a round weather balloon.
Cynical1
2.7 / 5 (7) Nov 12, 2011
Well, I guess... until one of US gets the required security level and access, we'll never really know, will we?
Koen
1 / 5 (4) Nov 12, 2011
Indeed, no extraterrestrial alien coverup, or UFOs coverop, but certainly a coverup for almost a century now of Tesla's teleforce and telegeodynamics technology, meaning the "U"FOs are of terrestrial origin, and kept secret by means of a firm grip over all science organisation anywhere in the world. For instance, Podkletnov's modern teleforce experiment (rediscovery of Tesla's obscured scienc) is totally ignored by the entire physics community, as a consequence of very strict control over research budgets and research subjects. Tesla's teleforce can be understood as a fix of Lorentz force that does not satisfy Newton's third principle, in case of open electric circuits.
Nerdyguy
1.8 / 5 (5) Nov 12, 2011
Nerdyguy, The officer wasn't being a doofus. He said it was a UFO because weather balloons are ROUND as a GLOBE, NOT shaped like a saucer. I saw plenty of weather balloons as a kid and I KNEW they were ROUND. The UFO means "UNIDENTIFIED flying object". ....


Yeah, I know. I've read and watched countless hours of text and video on this. While it was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek reference, the tales that have been told in the decades since that time would lead one to believe that he was either a) incompetent, b) just doing his job, c) not even there at all, or d) in on a grand conspiracy. Take your pick.
MorituriMax
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 12, 2011
Opinion polls now indicate more than 50% of the American people believe there is an extraterrestrial presence and more than 80% believe the government is not telling the truth

Then it's settled. If opinion polls show it it must be true /sarcasm

We have spaceships, why shouldn't aliens too?
and of course people who "don't believe in UFOs" at all.

Oh I think everybody believes in UFOs. That a flying object is not identified does not, however, automatically mean that it's of alien origin. Simply that the observer can't register it to a known object.

kochevnik
1 / 5 (4) Nov 12, 2011
Tesla's teleforce can be understood as a fix of Lorentz force that does not satisfy Newton's third principle, in case of open electric circuits.
Let the West tinker with their symmetrizing, bastardized Lorentz equations. It gives us the advantage knowing that particles are just resonant energy standing waves. Their equipment can't even measure the real thing. NATO's dismal treatment of Serbs says everything. Their ignorance is our bliss.
Pirouette
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 12, 2011
kovechnik, what has NATO's treatment of Serbs have to do with Lorentz equations or anything of a scientific nature? I'm sure everyone here can agree that mistreatment of anyone by anybody is against their human rights, even if that someone happens to be a criminal and deserves a good swift kick in the arse. If you are lumping ALL Serbs together as a GROUP, then you could be wrong, because even Serbs are individuals, as are Croats and every other ethnic group. If you don't take everyone on an individual basis, then YOU are part of the problem.
Pirouette
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 12, 2011
Oh, and please send one case each of Stolichnaya over to Nerdyguy and antialias. They will need it for when the aliens land. :)
Pirouette
1.8 / 5 (6) Nov 12, 2011
Nerdyguy says:
"""Yeah, I know. I've read and watched countless hours of text and video on this. While it was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek reference, the tales that have been told in the decades since that time would lead one to believe that he was either a) incompetent, b) just doing his job, c) not even there at all, or d) in on a grand conspiracy. Take your pick."""

I would pick (b). He was getting his orders from higher up. Most likely someone that he did not know and never met even afterwards. There is no socializing in these matters. That may have been the beginning of the Black Ops program.
After WW2, the military started getting queasy about Russian spies, which proved to be correct since there were those in the U.S. who stole and actually gave atomic bomb secrets to Russia. So when the UFO crashed, it HAD to be examined immediately.
Pirouette
1.7 / 5 (6) Nov 12, 2011
With everything else that happened that day and the following days, it was obvious that a plain and simple balloon would not have caused the military to get into such a snit over it. But they were obviously panicked because the truth was in the newspapers soon after. The order to halt the truth came after that. If you treat it more as a criminal investigation of your own, step by step, then it's natural to come to the same conclusion.
Alex_
3 / 5 (2) Nov 12, 2011
i really dislike the distance argument as i find any advanced technology will take advantage of gravity. a real force that is realy the only thing inhibiting us from long distance high speed tavel and to deduce that its impossible or isnt already invented i find quite laughable. Aliens are real and the evidence is large enough to make one believe a cover up. its perfectly logical . "In God We Trust" what a joke.
Alex_
1 / 5 (1) Nov 12, 2011
i really dislike the distance argument as i find any advanced technology will take advantage of gravity. a real force that is realy the only thing inhibiting us from long distance high speed tavel and to deduce that its impossible or isnt already invented i find quite laughable. Aliens are real and the evidence is large enough to make one believe a cover up. its perfectly logical . "In God We Trust" what a joke.
Sinister1811
2.1 / 5 (11) Nov 12, 2011
I guess it's interesting, you know. Just because it's impossible for us to travel vast distances across space, it may not be impossible for a civilization that's possibly millions of years ahead of us in terms of technological development.
Claudius
2 / 5 (7) Nov 14, 2011
he was either a) incompetent, b) just doing his job, c) not even there at all, or d) in on a grand conspiracy. Take your pick.


"General William Hugh Blanchard (February 6, 1916 May 31, 1966) was a United States Air Force officer who attained the rank of four star general and served as Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force from 1965 to 1966."

-Wikipedia

Well, the incompetent , not even there options don't hold water, he wouldn't have been promoted, his career would have suffered.

So you are left with a grand conspiracy, but this can either mean that the whole story was a cover (to conceal a genuine government secret unrelated to flying saucers,) or that the initial release of information about a recovered flying saucer was correct and later covered up.
Nerdyguy
1.5 / 5 (6) Nov 15, 2011
he was either a) incompetent, b) just doing his job, c) not even there at all, or d) in on a grand conspiracy. Take your pick.


Well, the incompetent , not even there options don't hold water, he wouldn't have been promoted, his career would have suffered.

So you are left with a grand conspiracy, but this can either mean that the whole story was a cover (to conceal a genuine government secret unrelated to flying saucers,) or that the initial release of information about a recovered flying saucer was correct and later covered up.


You raise a good point, but just to play devil's advocate:

- He could have just been plain wrong (vs. incompetent). He was a much younger, inexperienced office at that time.

- Sometimes incompetents do get promoted, usually because someone owes them a big favor.
Claudius
2.5 / 5 (8) Nov 16, 2011
You raise a good point, but just to play devil's advocate:

- He could have just been plain wrong (vs. incompetent). He was a much younger, inexperienced office at that time.

- Sometimes incompetents do get promoted, usually because someone owes them a big favor.


Having known a few Colonels on the job, the idea that one of them would be so incompetent as to announce to the world that he had recovered a flying saucer without compelling evidence just doesn't register. From my experience, those who reach that rank just aren't the type who would do anything that might jeopardize their careers, much less their reputations. For me, this is the most compelling reason supporting the idea that an alien spacecraft was actually recovered.

It does not make sense that the press release was intended to cover up a crashed Project Mogul balloon, as that could have been handled better by just denying everything, or giving out another cover story.
Nerdyguy
2.6 / 5 (7) Nov 16, 2011
Having known a few Colonels on the job, the idea that one of them would be so incompetent as to announce to the world that he had recovered a flying saucer without compelling evidence just doesn't register. ...

It does not make sense that the press release was intended to cover up a crashed Project Mogul balloon, as that could have been handled better by just denying everything, or giving out another cover story.


This has always been problematic for me as well. I've known some high-ranking AF officers. Hell, even the cadets and ROTC folks I've known have been some of the most mature, responsible, level-headed people I've ever met. It does not seem in character for a career officer to act like an excited teenage girl. Oh, well, I hope we find out someday.