96 percent of vertebrates -- including humans -- descended from ancestor with sixth sense

October 11, 2011 By Krishna Ramanujan

Most vertebrates -- including humans -- descended from ancestor with sixth sense

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A juvenile paddlefish filter feeds in a tank at Shedd Aquarium, Chicago. Image: Jon Weinstein and Lance Grande, Field Museum of Natural History

(PhysOrg.com) -- People experience the world through five senses but sharks, paddlefishes and certain other aquatic vertebrates have a sixth sense: They can detect weak electrical fields in the water and use this information to detect prey, communicate and orient themselves.

A study in the Oct. 11 issue of Nature Communications that caps more than 25 years of work finds that the vast majority of vertebrates – some 30,000 species of land animals (including humans) and a roughly equal number of ray-finned fishes – descended from a common ancestor that had a well-developed electroreceptive system.

This ancestor was probably a predatory marine fish with good eyesight, jaws and teeth and a lateral line system for detecting water movements, visible as a stripe along the flank of most fishes. It lived around 500 million years ago. The vast majority of the approximately 65,000 living vertebrate species are its descendants.

"This study caps questions in developmental and evolutionary biology, popularly called 'evo-devo,' that I've been interested in for 35 years," said Willy Bemis, Cornell professor of ecology and evolutionary biology and a senior author of the paper. Melinda Modrell, a neuroscientist at the University of Cambridge who did the molecular analysis, is the paper's lead author.

Hundreds of millions of years ago, there was a major split in the evolutionary tree of vertebrates. One lineage led to the ray-finned fishes, or actinopterygians, and the other to lobe-finned fishes, or sarcopterygians; the latter gave rise to land vertebrates, Bemis explained. Some land vertebrates, including such salamanders as the Mexican axolotl, have electroreception and, until now, offered the best-studied model for early development of this sensory system. As part of changes related to terrestrial life, the lineage leading to reptiles, birds and mammals lost electrosense as well as the lateral line.

Most vertebrates -- including humans -- descended from ancestor with sixth sense
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A scanning electron micrograph of the head of developing paddlefish shows pores of the lateral line and electroreceptive organs. Image: Willy Bemis

Some ray-finned fishes – including paddlefishes and sturgeons – retained these receptors in the skin of their heads. With as many as 70,000 electroreceptors in its paddle-shaped snout and skin of the head, the North American paddlefish has the most extensive electrosensory array of any living animal, Bemis said.

Until now, it was unclear whether these organs in different groups were evolutionarily and developmentally the same.

Using the Mexican axolotl as a model to represent the evolutionary lineage leading to land animals, and paddlefish as a model for the branch leading to ray-finned fishes, the researchers found that electrosensors develop in precisely the same pattern from the same embryonic tissue in the developing skin, confirming that this is an ancient sensory system.

The researchers also found that the electrosensory organs develop immediately adjacent to the lateral line, providing compelling evidence "that these two sensory systems share a common evolutionary heritage," said Bemis.

Researchers can now build a picture of what the common ancestor of these two lineages looked like and better link the sensory worlds of living and fossil animals, Bemis said.

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JRDarby
Oct 11, 2011

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So the questions this poses are: to what degree, if any, do humans still possess an EMF-sensitive perceptual system? how does this work? does it have an effect on day-to-day activities? can we be made aware of this to the extent that we're able to use it in the same way we use our eyes or nose (assuming this still exists in humans)? and how do we find all this out?
PaulRC
Oct 11, 2011

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hmmm, ninja can supposedly train themselves to see in the dark, gonna have to check out Naruto wiki to learn how to train my 'Byakugan'. lol

Seriously, if such a sense still exists in some humans, could that explain eastern philosophy about chakra? Anatomy shows there are no physical structures to match, but what about electric field/average electric field. Doubt it myself, but a visual 3d electric field camera picture of the human bodies field would be interesting nevertheless, and it might be useful in medical imaging/diagnostics/disease detection.
MentalHealthNut
Oct 11, 2011

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I can assume many land animals evolved away from this sense because of the resistance of electricity in the air as opposed to the abundant conductivity of water.
JRDarby
Oct 11, 2011

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Good point, MHN. I tried looking for more evidence of land-dwelling EMF-sensing animals and I couldn't find any.

For others: http://en.wikiped...eception
emsquared
Oct 11, 2011

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I see electric people...

I tried looking for more evidence of land-dwelling EMF-sensing animals and I couldn't find any.

What about migratory birds and homing pigeons, etc.? Not the same of course, but could be an adaptation of the sensory mechanism? Or perhaps more likely a re-emergence and re-purposing of a biological mechanism that faded to almost nothing?
jimbo92107
Oct 11, 2011

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Some people seem to have an innate sense of compass direction. Maybe they're tapping into the old lateral line!
YummyFur
Oct 11, 2011

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@emsquared, it is sort of the same isn't it since the magnetic field detected by birds is an aspect of the electric field.
Honor
Oct 11, 2011

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you can always sense when the tv is turned on. usually only in old crts
FainAvis
Oct 11, 2011

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Is that why I'm ticklish? Do I still have the lateral line sensitivity?
Cynical1
Oct 11, 2011

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vestigial lateral line remnant is what gives you the "willies" in a dark room just before the vampire bites ya...
kaasinees
Oct 11, 2011

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What about our organs? Maybe we do not have specialized organs, but our organs might have the ability to sense electric fields? It is logical that our brains can be influenced by outside electric fields, or our organs can send impulses to our brains when an electric field hits. Has there ever been research that it is lack of gravity or electric fields that causes tissue/bone loss.
Argiod
Oct 11, 2011

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A friend of mine told me years ago that the neurons at the cortex of the human brain are like di-pole antennae, one centimeter long. This would suggest we can transmit and receive electromagnetic signals if they are the length, or a harmonic, of this length; with normal variation among people, of course. This would lend credence to telepathy and other psychic phenomenon, including unconscious communication with animals of different orders than ourselves.

Of course, this is just my opinion; I could be wrong.
JRDarby
Oct 11, 2011

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That is very interesting, Argiod. I just did a cursory Google search for information on the neurons you mentioned and I couldn't find anything. Do you have any information you could give me? (I don't know how the neuron would be one whole centimeter long, or how it would act as a dipole antenna.)
jsa09
Oct 11, 2011

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5 senses? I don't think so

1 sight
2 sound
3 touch
4 taste
5 smell
6 heat

So I don't know about the rest of you but I have 6 senses already.

7 could be a sense of direction that some people have more than others.
RobertKarlStonjek
Oct 11, 2011

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Humans have far more than six senses ~ we have six major sensory organs (for external sensory information). The skin is capable of a range of sensory stimulus including heat, vibration, wetness, texture (the haptic sense is quite complex) and so on.

But there is other sense information which we don't use, partly because we are not exposed to it through the critical period during maturation (if your eyes were covered during maturation, say via congenital cataracts, and you gained sight in maturity, you would not be able to use sight for judging distance, recognising objects etc without many years of practice and training). These include air pressure via the carotid sinus, electrostatic build-up via the hair and probably air moisture, the information you'd need if you lived out in the open and needed to know short term weather information such as the approach of a storm (pressure change) or lightening (electrostatic build-up).
Jotaf
Oct 11, 2011

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Jsa09, come on stop trolling, heat belongs to the touch sense :P
Anyway, it would be cool to have a line of electroreceptors. I doubt we have any vestigial traces of that, it would be hard to miss since human physiology is very well studied. Some or most of the genes may lie there dormant, though. This is really interesting stuff!
Graeme
Oct 11, 2011

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Platypus has electroreceptors on its snout. Because such a diverse range of animals have the receptors, could the organs be hiding in many other vertebrates? Perhaps they only function while the animal is in a watery environment, such as in the egg or womb.
barakn
Oct 12, 2011

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neurons at the cortex of the human brain are like di-pole antennae, one centimeter long

... surrounded by millions of other almost identical dipoles oriented in similar directions, efficiently absorbing the electromagnetic signals.
ffrankblu
Oct 12, 2011

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I dream of electric sheep,jk,but sometimes I can see what look like little electric particles floating around.
Ojorf
Oct 12, 2011

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Why is the sense of balance and acceleration never included with the list of senses?
Parsec
Oct 12, 2011

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Some people seem to have an innate sense of compass direction. Maybe they're tapping into the old lateral line!

There are languages where the direction words refer to absolute directions. You wouldn't say that the fork is to the top of the plate for example, you would say the fork is on the north side. Every person speaking that language can detect true north (or any direction) from a very young age.
sherriffwoody
Oct 12, 2011

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Not to mention the sense between our legs
kaasinees
Oct 12, 2011

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taste is a combo of touch and smell. so not really a sense.

ojorf has a point (balance and accel is from the same organs) but this can be arguably go under the touch sense.
theknifeman
Oct 12, 2011

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Weak guesswork backed by marginal science. More opinion than fact. A waste of time.
ronald_g_richard
Oct 12, 2011

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I dream of electric sheep,jk,but sometimes I can see what look like little electric particles floating around.


That happens to me as well. I did a little bit of snooping at some point and found the cause of this, I just cant remember. I think it has something to do with blood pressure/oxygen. My memory sucks.
DavidMcC
Oct 12, 2011

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The figure of "around 500 million years" for when the basal vertebrate fish lived isn't mentioned in the original paper "Electrosensory ampullary organs are derived from lateral line placodes in bony fishes".
The possible error (up to 100 million years) on this is significant when comparing different sources for the evolution of the gnathostomes from the agnatha.
tkjtkj
Oct 12, 2011

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5 senses? I don't think so

1 sight
2 sound
3 touch
4 taste
5 smell
6 heat

So I don't know about the rest of you but I have 6 senses already.

7 could be a sense of direction that some people have more than others.


Surely the sense of 'pain' gives at least as much important info about our environment as #1 thru #6 ! This would make 'electro-sensory' sensitivity #8

BTW, with ref to the pic allegedly showing 'pores' .. :
"A scanning electron micrograph of the head of developing paddlefish shows pores of the lateral line and electroreceptive organs. Image: Willy Bemis"

I do wish the photographer would point out the pores: i just dont see any thing there resembling such a feature.
Skultch
Oct 12, 2011

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5 senses? I don't think so

1 sight
2 sound
3 touch
4 taste
5 smell
6 heat

So I don't know about the rest of you but I have 6 senses already.

7 could be a sense of direction that some people have more than others.


I don't consider "sense of direction" an actual sense. It's just not a direct response from a single outside stimulus; it emerges from the analysis of multiple senses. If you want to call that a sense, you should also consider empathy a sense.

That said, you are absolutely right we have more than 5 senses. Touch is actually a combination of at least 3: pain, pressure, and heat. We also have a sense of acceleration, which is responsible for the senses of balance and vibration.

These are all senses just as much as sight is. We also have multiple internal senses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense#Other_internal_senses
Limiting the definition of the word sense to the more obvious 5 is a mistake, IMO. It limits a child's understanding of human ability.
physpuppy
Oct 12, 2011

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@ronald_g_richard & @ ffrankblu : The stuff you see dancing in your line of vision has nothing to do with extra senses: you probably see it with more acuity when viewing a bright object: the long things that are just floating around are called - eh - floaters - they're stuff in the liquid of the eye. The things that you might see that are moving in a somewhat coordinated manner is from the blood supply to the retina which is in front of the retina.
jsa09
Oct 13, 2011

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@ skultch I tend to agree.

I know a lot of people put down heat sense as part of touch but I think that is ridiculous, especially as we feel heat from a great distance unlimited and feel touch directly from contact.

Should it is in the skin but I do not believe that it is the same sensors as the touch sensors. Pain is not actually a sense as it is merely an interpretation of a sense or a warning of overload.

Taste and smell seem to be very closely related yet are counted separately so saying sense of heat source from yards away can be lumped in with sense of touch that has to make contact is ludicrous. And yet this happens.

Balance and pressure may well be related in some way and perhaps can be dragged back into a sense of touch. But the sense organs most sensitive to changes in pressure are used mostly for hearing and yet changes of pressure makes no sound.
DavidMcC
Oct 13, 2011

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It seems that our bodies even have a sense of damage! It is one of which we are not conscious. Probably a bit like the cuttlefish's unconscious sense of colour in its surroundings, even though it only sees in B/W.
http://en.wikiped...unctions
"Sleeping/silent
Although each nociceptor can have a variety of possible threshold levels, some do not respond at all to chemical, thermal or mechanical stimuli unless injury actually has occurred. These are typically referred to as silent or sleeping nociceptors since their response comes only on the onset of inflammation to the surrounding tissue.[2]"
It's sensing, but not as we know it!
Souro
Oct 15, 2011

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I agree with PaulRC............i hav heard of great yogis(the ones who have mastered everything yoga has to offer)........who could channelise different energies through their bodies.......maybe they could awake their sleeping electroreceptive system?....whatever........the association with chakras is also an interesting thing...
hush1
Oct 15, 2011

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One of threshold's purposes is called: "enhancing it's sample"
http://www.quantu...t-posts/
"Clever little creatures"
Quantum Diaries

Ongoing is the research of how senses are first formed.
There is evidence of "trial or dry runs" Signals sent to the brain before the senses are able to process the physical external stimuli that await them later.
For example:
Hearing before the ability of the ears are mature enough to process mechanical sound. Yet the brain receives signals of sound.
The source of these signals are cells in the ear already active. These cell's electrical activity are the sources for sound signals send to the brain. The brain 'hears', records, stores and processes the 'noise' of these cell's electrical activity. Later, this imprinted information is 'compared'(referenced) to 'real' external physical stimulation when the ear's maternity has reached a stage where external physical stimuli can be processed.

Is this true for other senses?
Dunno.
Great thread
hush1
Oct 15, 2011

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I guess we lost are 6th sense from too much tasering.
hush1
Oct 15, 2011

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are=our
Dementia setting in. Sense of grammar fading.
Too much tasering. Excuse for typo.

Actually this is called: fleeing error - haste makes error.
hush1
Oct 18, 2011

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...you would not be able...years... - RKS


No 'trial' or 'dry' runs for the 'big' day?
Pretty bad preparation even during non use.
What sense takes 'years' to return to a state that sense was designed to do - barring physical impairment to any of the components contributing to function including brain regions?

Use it or lose it - are you suggesting normal atrophy - the shrinking and involution, such as the thymus in early childhood, and the tonsils in adolescence? For the senses?
Skultch
Oct 18, 2011

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does anyone else find it amusing that some people downvote, but don't comment on that thread at all? it's so strange and funny. i don't quite get it.
Cynical1
Oct 18, 2011

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What sense is in use when you stand next to a high voltage line and can feel the elctricity?
DavidMcC
Oct 19, 2011

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What sense is in use when you stand next to a high voltage line and can feel the elctricity?


I'm not absolutely sure, but I think it might be touch, as you probably feel your hairs standing up in the field, due to polarization.
Cynical1
Oct 19, 2011

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What is causing the hairs to stand up? A reaction to a very strong, therefore potentially dangerous electric field?
DavidMcC
Oct 20, 2011

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What is causing the hairs to stand up? A reaction to a very strong, therefore potentially dangerous electric field?

Induced polarization. I don't think it need be dangerous. Haven't you ever found your hair attracted to your clothes when you pull them off? It happens with plastic shirts, etc.
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