The strange rubbing boulders of the Atacama
These are huge boulders in Chile’s Atacama desert which appear to be rubbed very smooth about their midsections, leading University of Arizona geologist Jay Quade to wonder what could cause this in a place where water, Earth’s most common agent of erosion, is as almost nonexistent. Credit: Image courtesy of Jay Quade.
A geologist's sharp eyes and upset stomach has led to the discovery, and almost too-close encounter, with an otherworldly geological process operating in a remote corner of northern Chile's Atacama Desert.
The sour stomach belonged to University of Arizona geologist Jay Quade. It forced him and his colleagues Peter Reiners and Kendra Murray to stop their truck at a lifeless expanse of boulders which they had passed before without noticing anything unusual.
"I had just crawled underneath the truck to get out of the sun," Quade said. The others had hiked off to look around, as geologists tend to do. That's when Quade noticed something very unusual about the half-ton to 8-ton boulders near the truck: they appeared to be rubbed very smooth about their midsections. What could cause this in a place where Earth's most common agent of erosion -- water -- is as almost nonexistent?
About the only thing that came to mind was earthquakes, said Quade. Over the approximately two million years that these rocks have been sitting on their sandy plain perhaps they were jostled by seismic waves. They caused them gradually grind against each other and smooth their sides. It made sense, but Quade never thought he'd be able to prove it.
Then, on another trip to the Atacama, Quade was standing on one of these boulders, pondering their histories when a 5.3 magnitude earthquake struck. The whole landscape started moving and the sound of the grinding of rocks was loud and clear.
"It was this tremendous sound, like the chattering of thousands of little hammers," Quade said. He'd probably have made a lot more observations about the minute-long event, except he was a bit preoccupied by the boulder he was standing on, which he had to ride like a surfboard."The one I was on rolled like a top and bounced off another boulder. I was afraid I would fall off and get crushed."
He managed to stay atop his boulder, of course, and became thoroughly convinced that the earlier hypothesis about the boulders was correct.
"I was just astonished when this earthquake came along and showed us how it worked," Quade said. Quade will explain the phenomenon on Tuesday, 11 Oct. at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America in Minneapolis.
The whole story appears to be that the boulders tumbled down from the hills above -- probably dislodged by earthquakes. They accumulated on the sand flat, with no place else to go. Quade compares the situation to a train station where people are crowded together closely, rubbing shoulders as they waiting for a train. In this case the boulders have been stuck at the station for hundreds of millennia and the train never comes. So they just get more crowded and rub shoulders more over time.
Analyses of the boulder top surfaces suggest that they have been there one to two million years. That age, combined with the fact that seismic activity in the area generates a quake like that Quade witnessed on the average of once every four months, suggests that the average boulder has experienced 50,000 to 100,000 hours of bumping and grinding while waiting for that nonexistent train.
"It also answers a mystery that had been eating at me for years: How do the boulders get transported off the hills when there is so little rain," Quade said. "How do you erode a landscape that is rainless?"
Again the answer is seismic activity.
"It raises the question in my mind of other planets like Mars." If there is seismic activity, even from meteor impacts, might it also be creating similar landscapes? "I would predict that these kinds of crowds of boulders might be found on Mars as well, if people look for them."
More information: http://gsa.confex. … t_188948.htm
Provided by Geological Society of America
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Oct 11, 2011
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6000 year old Earth minus 1
Total so far is 2341256 to -2341252
Those crazy Christians :rofl:
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Here is another, the Earth is 6000 years old and instead of one earthquake every 4 months for 2 million years that region has had one earthquake every ~14 seconds for 2.6 years!
That solves it, Christianity is safe once again!
Oct 11, 2011
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2,000,000 / 4,500,000,000 = 2.666 / 6000
1/4months = 3/year * 2,000,000 years = 6,000,000 total
1/14sec = 4.28/min = 257.14/hr = 6171.42/day = 2,252,571/yr * 2.666yrs = 6,005,354 total
6,005,354 ~= 6,000,000
Pretty close using back of the napkin math
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This article has absolutely zero to do with Christianity or in fact any other religion, yet you collectively take delight in injecting your hatred everywhere possible on PhysOrg. Yes, we get it, Creationism is a stupid idea that flies in the face of scientific fact. About as stupid as thinking that pointing this out repeatedly on a science forum makes you appear intellectual or witty.
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No, sorry... get your facts straight.
As of 2008 a Gallup poll indicated that 36% of US adults agreed with the statement "human beings developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process.", 14% believed that "Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process." and 44% of US adults agreed with the statement "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.
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I've read that many times before but it still makes me throw up a little when I read it.
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Wind erosion would erode all the sides and top equally. The rocks had a clearly eroded mid-section, hence the reason wind erosion was ruled out.
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@Jeddy - Completely agree. If the rocks have been there for millions of years, one would think it is a possibility. Perhaps a geologist could say that it is impossible for whatever reasonss, however you'd think it would be mentioned.
@Simonsez - Yes bashing Christians (and all the other loopy religions out there), is incredibly easy and mostly pointless within these comments. However given that as a group these people are ruining the world for the rest of us (as well as allowing a lot of bronze age thinking to continue, not just the god idea), I think we can be forgiven for taking a few shots at Christians.
Also, as a Christian you are meant to forgive! Your master jebus tells you so!
Nearly all Christians/Jews/Islamists/etc are idiots, and wouldn't know truth if it fell on them.
Forgive me.
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Think of two cubes side by side being jostled. The only places they would knock together is at the edges and corners. In this article he states that the centers are more eroded than the edges.
If the boulders are tightly packed and already round then they would touch at the mid section and small vibration would rub that area away until they were more cubic in shape.
So to say that more erosion occurs around the mid section would depend on the original shape.
But the end result would be similar in shape.
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Then they wait for more wind.
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Fitting them to stand on-top each other rather than rumble down is kinda "expert" stone mason work. Also you have to account for the frequency, intensity and duration of the earthquakes in the area for the time those walls stood upright. Note that Chilly sits besides subduction zone hence a lot of relatively strong earthquakes. And the time span for these bolders is huge
up to two million years.
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WTH can't people read???? The planet was already here when God did the 6day or (6kyear) creation event! You all talk smack to each other but no one is checking their facts.
1 point for God
-1 point for atheist.
Oct 12, 2011
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I read and reread the article.
No mention of anything religious or biblical..anywhere in the article that I could see or infer!
How did all this religious talk, and the evident hate, get in here?
I even saw nothing in the stories link...hummm.
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HEY! This is a science website: a place for discussion not BASHing faiths! Why, why, if you proceed in this fashion, every, single, story, on this website, will become a point of religious debate not a reasoned discussion of fact and intellectual probing. We don't have to resort to hate to make 'Our side' look better than 'Their Side' thats childish. And worse, look at all these posts. They did not start with a religious zealot throwing comment in here, it was started with a comment that ended with a vindictive characterization. Look, the more you bash a thing, the stronger it becomes! Now if someone hits you defend yourself, but this baiting is tiresome and will NOT convince most people to give up anything - not even fast food! The rocks...what do you think about THE ROCKS...seismics...c'mon?
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Just a thought.
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I very much enjoy your website, but am increasingly turning away from it due to the creationalism trolling and petty religious arguing on almost every thread which discusses historical evidence or evolution.
A few users, who are only here to push their opposing, non scientific beliefs are ruining what could be a very good community.
Please find a way to prevent it.
Join me please: feedback@physorg.com
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It says DAY = THOUSAND.
So please check your math AND your Biblical quotes before doing the math.]
Days are considerably different from seconds AND it is unlikely that any of the writers of the Bible ever used seconds. Also thousand in many languages does not mean 1,000. It often means MANY.
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back in 1965 in the second semester at a small college in Ohio we freshman were trying out our new brains,after all we had psych 101 and English lit 101 under our belts and we were on a roll.in the dorms common room,no TV and a dorm mothers back then we were going on about the "nature of reality" when this voice pipes up from behind a book in the corner-"thats all nonsense!for all you know the universe could be just a atom in the finger nail dirt of another creature!!".great line maybe he went on to write movie scripts..so anyway we did the WTF of the day and he stormed out and we got our new brains back in gear again.so since then whenever a troll type pops up,anywhere about anything i think about that put down.dirt under a finger nail and how shallow people can be
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http://blog.trave...pod.html
This is what's been moving those boulders.
Seriously though, ...after some more reading, I think the main mechanism for the erosion is wind turbulence. Reason ? I went to look at pics of these boulders and many of them are rounded not just around the bases , but also the faces, which have nothing to rub against except the sand being blasted at them. Vortices often form on the lee side of isolated mountain masses. The magnitude, number, and strength of the vortices are highly dependent on the speed and direction of the airflow, and the orthogonality of the flow, etc. Not saying small tremors wouldn't contribute, but methinks the contribution would be small in comparison.
I bet if they did some large scale smoke testing for turbulence up there they'd see it.
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My math is pretty good. And I'm not defending anything I just needed to get it out of my system. It seems however that you are indeed defending something...good luck with that
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Defending what? What the Bible actually says? It too has a lot of nonsense.
Have fun but don't expect rubbish based on misremembered statements that aren't in the Bible to make sense even to Fundamentalists.
Ethelred
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It's awesome to see a theory which would seem almost implausible, except for an absence of any better theories, be confirmed in such a spectacular way. I just wish someone shot video of the event. If earthquakes are so frequent there, maybe someone could set up a video capture system hooked up to a seismograph. That's shut up any skeptics for sure!
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Yes, in that this is the 100,001th piece of evidence against their silly bullshit beliefs.
Oh, and the percentage of Americans that believe elvis is still alive, or any other silly myth, is measured by fractions of a percent. It is not comparable to the atrocity that is the widespread belief in a young Earth.
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The Bible has many things in it that strongly imply otherwise AND the dating in the Bible simply doesn't agree with you.
Very good. Perhaps learning will change what you think. It has done so for many.
This can be done with electrodes. Really. Not so much a god as a feeling that people associate with what they think a god might be like
That is how many Agnostics became that way>>
Oct 18, 2011
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They can be reconciled by people changing their minds. Tolerance is a different thing. I would appreciate less flaming myself but if someone starts it I don't back down.
I don't know EXCEPT that it clearly has an Old Earth and that upsets a number people that think the Earth is Young because the Bible tells them so. CHolman seems to have lost control over this.
Well he does anyway. I am sure Kevin would have obliged him if he waited. It had only been a week since he last claimed something proved the world is young.
Kevin in action here
http://medicalxpr...ers.html
CHolman seems to be unable to contain himself after seeing too many of Kevin's posts.
Ethelred
Oct 18, 2011
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Organized superstition threatens science and our future. It is well worth the effort to constantly keep reminding people of this, and Religionists posting their standard dogma presents a way of showing how false and dangerous it is. It is very revealing to see how the religious actually 'think' and what really motivates them.
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