Dust settles to reveal asteroid truth

Sep 15, 2011
Hayabusa re-entering the atmosphere

(PhysOrg.com) -- Early results from analysis of dust on the Hayabusa space capsule, which landed in South Australia last year, have revealed an indisputable link between the asteroids we see in space and meteorites that we collect on land.

Published recently in Science, six papers on the findings of the Hayabusa mission provided samples of a pristine , known as Itokawa.

Earth Chemistry Professor Trevor Ireland from The Australian National University is a coauthor of four of the papers, and said the dust contained an exciting message.

“Previously there had been problems relating the nature of asteroids with meteorites because the surfaces of meteorites are destroyed as they come in through the atmosphere,” he said. 

“The samples taken from Itokawa are the previously unknown ’skin’ of an asteroid and their investigation has confirmed that meteorites that land on are indeed related to the asteroids we see in space.”

The Hayabusa Mission involved two touchdowns on the asteroid.  Professor Ireland noted that the original intent was for a gun to fire into the surface of Itokawa when Hayabusa touched down, with the ejected sample collected into the chamber, but a software interlock prevented the gun from firing.

“This was fairly disappointing in that we didn’t get as much material returned as was intended, which would have provided us with a bulk sample of the asteroid to analyse,” he said. 

“In hindsight though, a bulk sample would not necessarily have provided the same information as we have obtained from these small dust grains that sat on the very surface of the asteroid.

“These were the samples we really wanted because they illustrate the dynamic nature of the , and these have been delivered back to us. 

“The samples from the skin of the asteroid show that they have been exposed to cosmic rays and solar wind for less than 10 million years meaning that the asteroid is very young in solar system terms. 

“The ages of the parent bodies are over 4.5 billion years old, and when the parent body had a collision, material was broken off and reassembled into Itokawa and sent on an orbit through the inner solar system.

“This demonstrates that inner solar system asteroids are only with us for a short time – geologically speaking,” he said.

“They’re ejected from the asteroid belt and their orbits will decay until they fall into the Sun, collide with planets, or otherwise get accelerated away when they come close to planets.”

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Shootist
2.8 / 5 (4) Sep 15, 2011
Early results from analysis of dust on the Hayabusa space capsule, which landed in South Australia last year, have revealed an indisputable link between the asteroids we see in space and meteorites that we collect on land.


Was this blurb's inaneness intentional?
omatumr
1.7 / 5 (11) Sep 15, 2011
These were the samples we really wanted because they illustrate the dynamic nature of the solar system


Congratulations, Professor Ireland !

My own 50-year research career also concludes [1] that the solar system has been - and continues to be dynamic and evolving - despite a recent campaign to stop climate change as unnatural.

1. "Summary of 50-Year Research Career" (14 Sept 2011)
http://dl.dropbox...reer.pdf

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
SincerelyTwo
4.4 / 5 (13) Sep 15, 2011
Omatumr,

Any true scientists would accept what evidence suggests and work from there to realizing effective solutions to mitigate or tolerate the changes being detected. There is clearly natural and 'unnatural' contributions which affect how our environments change. The true argument should always be around what exactly our influence is on the earth, however small or large.

Nobody here cares about your endless citations, you know why? Physorg.com is not a science journal, or even a forum to have formal or meaningful debates, you are not convincing anyone of anything.

You should spend your time on forums where arguing as you do actually carries meaning, where your sources would be studied, and meaningful counter-arguments would be stated. Your pointless persistence is little else than annoying here.
210
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 15, 2011
Omatumr,
Nobody here cares about your endless citations, you know why? Physorg.com is not a science journal, or even a forum to have formal or meaningful debates, you are not convincing anyone of anything.

He is persistent isn't he? And, yes, that can be annoying to some...even to many. You might want to 'annoy' yourself less and just ignore him. Nevertheless, he has a RIGHT, a RIGHT, 2 write, speak, & B heard by those who will listen. You may not agree with this principle regardless of wherever you live, you simply see no value in tolerating someone you don't know and do not appreciate, I can understand that. Physorg has NOT kept him from posting, & neither will you.
Further, his postings are 'different' some might say 'controversial' but also provoke response, why, they even got a response from you, INCREDIBLE! Getting a response from you may have just justified the usefulness of his posts, WOW!
I also note, Oliver does post but he does not "argue."
word-to-ya-muthas
jsdarkdestruction
4 / 5 (8) Sep 15, 2011
Omatumr,

Nobody here cares about your endless citations, you know why? Physorg.com is not a science journal, or even a forum to have formal or meaningful debates, you are not convincing anyone of anything.

Your pointless persistence is little else than annoying here.

and because its nonsense and everyone has seen then 1000's times. along with his global conspiracy rant and not being able to answer ?'s

"ou should spend your time on forums where arguing as you do actually carries meaning, where your sources would be studied, and meaningful counter-arguments would be stated."

olivers work cant stand up to it at all. even an ameteur can tell you that while he pretends to be an expert in a field he has no training in. he wont listen to any critisisms and, the the last and worst part. while calling scientists liars and hiding evidence and trying to keep people in the dark he was molesting his children. I truly wish it were a joke but google"Oliver K. Manuel arrested.
lengould100
2.6 / 5 (7) Sep 15, 2011
Omatumr and 210 clone,
My own 50-year research career also concludes


Simply confirms my belief that new science rarely convinces existing scientists, but has to wait around until they die off.
GSwift7
not rated yet Sep 15, 2011
nice spin job to make failure look like success.
jamesrm
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 15, 2011
Like this:
http://mominer.ms...hildren/

The allegations that are being prosecuted came from four of Manuels children. Sharon Manuel, 50, his adopted daughter, alleged the abuse took place from the time she was 6 to 14 years old. Oliver Manuel Jr., 43, his biological son, alleged that the abuse took place from the time he was 11 to 17 years old. James Rosenburg, 34, his stepson, alleged the abuse took place from the time he was 7 to 17 years old. Sirikka Llohoefner, 27, his biological daughter alleged the abuse took place from the time she was 5 to 11 years old.
omatumr
1 / 5 (11) Sep 15, 2011
I know little of climate, but I am certain Earth's climate is changing and has always changed, because Earth's heat source - the Sun - and life itself are evolving and have always evolved, together [1,2].

The Bilderberg model of the Sun as a steady H-fusion reactor and the AGW model of Earth's climate were part of a decision to end the Apollo program and unite nations [3,4].

References:

1. "Origin and evolution of life constraints on the solar model," JMP 2, 587-594 (2011) http://dl.dropbox...5079.pdf

2. "The Sun-weather relationship," The GWPF Observatory (14 Sept 2011) www.thegwpf.org/t...ant.html

3. Kissingers summary of 9-11 July 1971 events (Declassified 2003) http://www.gwu.ed...h-40.pdf

4. "Political roadblocks to progress" (22 July 2011) http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf

nizzim
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 16, 2011
http://www.homefa...uel.html this the same guy?
210
3.4 / 5 (5) Sep 16, 2011
Like this:
http://mominer.ms...hildren/

The allegations that are being prosecuted came from four of Manuels children. Sharon Manuel, 50, his adopted daughter, alleged the abuse took place from the time she was 6 to 14 years old. Oliver Manuel Jr., 43, his biological son, alleged that the abuse took place from the time he was 11 to 17 years old. James Rosenburg, 34, his stepson, alleged the abuse took place from the time he was 7 to 17 years old. Sirikka Llohoefner, 27, his biological daughter alleged the abuse took place from the time she was 5 to 11 years old.

Indeed: If any or all of this is true, it is shameful and worthy of contempt. Let Oliver pay his price/debt to society as law dictates. Further, unless the law takes his life, his life still, STILL merits our best conduct toward him, unless we become the very thing we say we hate! I have no stone in my hand and I will cast none!
word
jsdarkdestruction
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2011
how does not giving oliver the "good conduct" that is "merited toward him" make us like him and make us be hated for being child molesters like oliver is? I've got absolutely no plans or desires to molest children in my future and i am a honorable and decent and respectable human being. not perfect but i would die before i would ever become like oliver.
I respect where your coming from, it's admirable in a way. unfortunetley i believe revealing the truth about oliver the best way to show just how uncredible lacking in moral character while attacking others, although lately with all his conspiracy theories getting more and more crazy and his spamming then so intensely everyone knows he's insane. Anyway, I'm going to continue revealing that truth till oliver stops his lies.
frajo
3.4 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2011
i am a honorable and decent and respectable human being
As long as we cannot search the databases for your real name you are just an anonymous coward who might as well be an offender trying to cope by overcomplying.
jsdarkdestruction
2.3 / 5 (3) Sep 17, 2011
oh yeah? you tell me your full real name first.....
gimpypoet
5 / 5 (3) Sep 17, 2011
didn't einstein marry his first cousin? Elsa. look to wikipedia that all seem to beleive as fact and see. not excusing the molester, just pointing out the facts that abhorrant behavior doesn't prove a theory or disprove a theory. the sun can not be a different type of source because we don't burn up and we can produce results in the lab to support our theories as to its composition. we can break it into its parts and hold its photons in a "box" and study them. icannot claim to be an expert in said suns composition, but i doubt oliver is right based on what i have read. judge not lest ye be judged is a good motto regardless of its origins and cooperation is the key to human survival in my humble opinion. a twit will prove a twit all in good time. scientific methods don't judge morals only observation. make science serve you, do not be it's slave.my name is listed, do not call me please, i know i am a mad man.everyone is to some degree.

gimpypoet
5 / 5 (1) Sep 17, 2011
i wuold not count anything as fact read in an unmonitored blog on a scientific "news" blog. the banter of intelligent people is funnier than television and maybe will help me to understand more about what "might" be going on in this universe. i remained quiet for years on this site, reading all that interests me and have had many long heartfelt bouts of laughter thanks to the bloggers. may this continue till i know ALL i can hold in my small but infinite mind. all theories are just opinions, and like assholes, everyone has one. that is truely the only universal human characteristic I can see and prove. Bring more science for me to peruse because i am hungry and my mind grows older by the minute. that is the second universal truth provable by death. stop hunger in the world by killing greed is a worthy ideal. that is a theory, unproved. want better, beleive better, things will get better and we will be better off. new theory, again unproved!
jsdarkdestruction
2 / 5 (4) Sep 18, 2011
einstein didnt go off on crazy conspiracy theory rants and attack anyone who disagrees with him as liars and morally corrupted while being so himself. thats why we bring up olivers credibility and morality.
frajo
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 18, 2011
thats why we bring up olivers credibility and morality.
By virtue of your pluralis maiestatis and your stance of the Machiavellian principle "the end justifies the means"? This is neither credible (as you are not punishing the offender) nor morally (as you are carelessly (just like the offender) inflicting additional pain on the victims (victims who don't want to present themselves in public)).
Instead, Machiavellianism is, along with narcissism ("we", "decent men", self-entitlement to punish) and psychopathy (what's the rationale of user "Mabus" whose sole purpose seems to be to double your vote), being referred to as "dark triad".
So why did you choose "dark destruction" to be part of your nick?
210
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 18, 2011
how does not giving oliver the "good conduct" that is "merited toward him" make us like him and make us be hated for being child molesters like oliver is? I've got absolutely no plans or desires to molest children in my future and i am a honorable and decent and respectable human being. not perfect but i would die before i would ever become like oliver.

If Oliver, or anyone did what you allege, they violate the trust & rights of their victim. Unless you can prove this is the EXACT SAME "oliver" you publicly impune and assassinate the character of an innocent man...thereby becoming the same KIND of person you say he is. Further, if Oliver has paid his debt to society, JUST WHO ARE YOU to make him pay FOREVER?! Are you God? Why..you say, you are not even perfect!!! If the laws where you live allow repeat child/molesters to repeat their crimes, RUN FOR OFFICE and fix the laws! Getting on this website and airing dirty laundry is NOT science or news!We ALL have dirty laundry!
word
210
1.6 / 5 (5) Sep 18, 2011
einstein didnt go off on crazy conspiracy theory rants and attack anyone who disagrees with him as liars and morally corrupted while being so himself. thats why we bring up olivers credibility and morality.

Yes..oh Yes, He did! But 'crazy' has a contexual component. The German government, condemned Einsteins work as, "....maniacal Jew science..." Oh you don't like those Nazis? Contextually, and I quote Dr. Martin Luther King, "...everything Hitler did, was legal..." The Nazis' were mass murderers and as long as they stayed inside their borders, Chamberlian and Europe sat back AND DID NOTHING! Einstein was sued by THREE different women for having fathered children with them, innocent, guilty? He was definitely NOT a virgin or a saint. Einstein publicly denounced quantum physics saying."The good Lord does not play with dice." Oops! He therefore not only disagreed with learned others but with science itself - BUT we forgive him, his brilliance outshines any flaw he had, rightly so!
omatumr
1 / 5 (6) Sep 18, 2011
I regret that fanaticism replaced consensus science when it was discovered that the AGW model of Earth's climate is seriously flawed [1].

1. Meteorologist fired!

www.climategate.c...ekes.pdf

Fanatics are even more incensed when serious errors are reported [2]

2. "Neutron Repulsion", The APEIRON Journal, in press (2011)

http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1

In the Bilderberg model of the Sun as a steady H-fusion reactor, in equilibrium [3].

3. The Bilderberg solar model, Solar Physics 3, 5-25 (1968)

http://adsabs.har....3....5G

It took me 40 years to figure out that AGW and the Bilderberg Sun are two peas in the same propaganda pod [4]

4. "Climategate Roots"

http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf

We each have our roles to play on the stage of life [5]. I feel compelled to offer the evidence for others to confirm or deny.

5. www.poemhunter.co...a-stage/

Oliver K. Manuel
jsdarkdestruction
3 / 5 (4) Sep 19, 2011
have you read the links i post? their is a picture of oliver and it says what he was convicted of, look at his website and you will see pictures of the same man with the same name, thats enough proof enough in my book.
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 19, 2011
I see you can't answer Oliver.

What is so difficult about answering questions? Reality have your tongue?

I know why you can't answer the questions. The answer is that you are wrong on neutron repulsion and you have to create a vast conspiracy to protect your tender ego.

Baby steps Oliver.

1] Did you read the letter you linked to?
2] Why did you link to it?
3] What was it supposed to show?
4] Since it doesn't support the claim of conspiracy you need to admit that you were wrong about the link
6] You have the power to admit you could be wrong on this
7] You do not have the power to create a conspiracy where there never was one
8] You should write an apology on all the threads you posted that crap on
9] You should apologize to all the politicians you falsely accused
10] You apologize to all the scientists you accused
11] You should apologize to all the people you gave unwarranted ones to
12] You should promise YOURSELF not to Crank again.

A nice 12 step program

Ethelred
Ethelred
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 19, 2011
I am posting this because 210 thinks there is no proof.

Unless you can prove this is the EXACT SAME "oliver" you publicly impune and assassinate the character of an innocent man.
It is the exact same person. This can be seen by looking at Oliver's videos where you see Oliver on the video and then look at the Meagan's law site for Missouri for Oliver K Manuel.

http://www.mshp.d...leName=K

Same person.

Further, if Oliver has paid his debt to society, JUST WHO ARE YOU to make him pay FOREVER?
Oliver is still on probation AND there are five living people that have to live with what Oliver did as long as they live. Not counting the suicide that may or may not be related to Oliver's behavior. The only reason Oliver is not in jail is that only one of the original counts was still within the statute of limitations.>>
Ethelred
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 19, 2011
Are you God?
There is no evidence for one. So that leaves judgment up to us humans.

Getting on this website and airing dirty laundry is NOT science or news!
Nor is Oliver Crankery new or science. He should be banned for the way he spams the site relentlessly. QC and Zephir have been multiple times for far less.

I am sorry about it but Oliver is a vile person and a REALLY bad scientist.

And he spams worse than 'Quality is undignified'.

Ethelred
jsdarkdestruction
3 / 5 (2) Sep 19, 2011
thank you for helping to clear up any further confusion 210 might have on olivers identity and past and character. also, just wanted to point this out- you said the only reason he is not in jail, however oliver would not be in jail if the charges has not run out of time, he would be in prison and would of most likely spent the rest of his life there. It's a shame, oliver being victimized by other inmates the way he victimized his children and make his life a living nightmare would of been a fitting punishment for what he's done.
210
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 19, 2011
Ethey, you & your allies cannot ban Oliver from posting, period. You do not like him, ignore him, but 2 attack with others N such cowardly manner does NOT render JUSTICE! YOU are not the law!!! Oliver, if guilty, MUST pay the price society demands, but you cannot ban him from life AFTER HE HAS PAID THE PRICE!
Ethey, you hav gotten on this site & made some errors, Oh yes, you have! You just made another: You presume to persecute the prosecuted; You have NO credentials that allow you to ban the rights given all of us to express ourselves in a civil manner on this site and THAT is what I am fighting against. EVEN if he is this offensive person whose actions are/were illegal. The 'state' has tallied his crime AND PUNISHED him, and now you want to use vigilante law and round him up again and crucify him because he does not act the way YOU WANT HIM to! His posts may be wrong, plenty of people MAKE MISTAKES posting here-look in a mirror Ethey and friends, NO ONE BANNED YOU!
word-fin!
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 19, 2011
Ethey, you & your allies cannot ban Oliver from posting, period.
I never made such a claim. The site has to.

You do not like him, ignore him, but 2 attack with others N such cowardly manner does NOT render JUSTICE!
There is nothing cowardly in what I am doing. You are lying when you make that claim.

YOU are not the law!!! Oliver, if guilty, MUST pay the price
Follow the links. There is NO IF. I never claimed to be the law and you can quit lying about that as well. Follow the links and get a clue.

but you cannot ban him from life AFTER HE HAS PAID THE PRICE!
Can you read? He is ON PROBATION. He is NOT paying the price for ALL his crimes as most of them are beyond the statute of limitations. HIS CHILDREN are paying the price. Not him.

Ethey, you hav gotten on this site & made some errors, Oh yes, you have!
Sure. Less than you and on this thread none.

You just made another:
No.>>
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 20, 2011
You presume to persecute the prosecuted;
No. All I did produce the evidence you thought did not exist. I only posted because YOU doubted.

You have NO credentials that allow you to ban the rights
Never claimed I did. So how many errors are YOU planning to make in this one post. So far pretty much every sentence is wrong.

civil manner on this site
Oliver has never been civil and nothing I posted on this thread was uncivil. YOU are being uncivil though.

EVEN if he is this offensive person whose actions are/were illegal.
Follow my link. It was put here FOR YOU. You ignorance on this is no longer excusable.

The 'state' has tallied his crime AND PUNISHED him,
Follow the links. HIS STATE has him down on a Megan's law site where he will remain for the rest of his life as sexual predator. The reason for those sites is that very FEW such people stop being sexual predators.>>
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 20, 2011
and now you want to use vigilante law
Lie. I want him to be banned because he is spamming the site. I said so many times. IF he ever engages in actual discourse instead of spamming the site I won't have any spam to call spam and then I would see no reason to ban him.

Ethey and friends, NO ONE BANNED YOU!
The site has banned lots of people for less than Oliver is doing here.

Quit making up my position as it is quite clear.

Oliver should be banned for spam. That is my postilion. On many sites Oliver HAS been banned as a spammer and a troll. Why is he so special that he should be allowed to spam the site?

As for my posting the link the Megan site well you seem to have needed the information. You were attacking others for telling the truth about Oliver. If he can't the truth that is his problem. Your too I guess.

Ethelred
210
1.5 / 5 (8) Sep 20, 2011
Ethey,I get it, the world gets it,you have decided he has NOT been punished enough, " he is just on probation." Getting on this site and demanding his banishment WILL NOT WORK! Ban him for stuff done SOMEWHERE ELSE!?! I did NOT need a link to Megan's Site or any other site to know that civil and federal law IS BEING SERVED - but- it is NOT to YOUR liking...YOU are determined to call the guy a spammer and get him banned NOW!He has been writing on this site for the longest time. Whatever his crime, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT ETHEY not SPAMMING and you know it or U would have said so a year ago! if it is him, cannot be grounds to keep him from expressing a view,even if you and yours donot like it. His view has NOTHING to do with his conduct in private life. Further YOU do NOT have your credentials for making a view or point following every post you make -CHILL- Ethey, The guy is known as he is known. He aint gettin away with nothing! STOP the HATE! Go back 2 science!
word-
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 20, 2011
Ethey,I get it, the world gets it,you have decided he has NOT been punished enough, "
No I get it. You can't read.

he is just on probation.
That isn't punishment for everything he did BUT it has nothing to do with why Oliver should be banned.

Getting on this site and demanding his banishment WILL NOT WORK!
Can you read? I never made that claim so QUIT INVENTING MY POSITION.

It is up to the moderators to act. They have acted on far less provocation before.

Can you even remotely comprehend that I ONLY MEAN WHAT I SAY. Not the crap you try to claim I said.

Ban him for stuff done SOMEWHERE ELSE!?!
You really can't read. For stuff he does HERE.

I did NOT need a link to Megan's Site
Yes you did. You were pretending that Js was going on rumors at best.

OU are determined to call the guy a spammer
He is one. And I am not the only person calling him one. You seem to one of the few that hasn't figured it out.>>
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 20, 2011
He has been writing on this site for the longest time.
For over two years. Which is NOT the longest time but is way too long for the way he acts.

Whatever his crime, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT ETHEY
Lie. It is about SPAM.

not SPAMMING and you know it or U would have said so a year ago
Gosh you just can't stop trying to make up my side. His SPAMMING has increased considerably. His rates of reposting the same exact crap varies and the last time he went at this hard I was calling it spam. Its SPAM.

His view has NOTHING to do with his conduct in private life.
Where did I make that claim? NOWHERE. You invented it. HOWEVER his no longer private life DOES show that he cant' be trusted to tell the truth. He lived a lie for thirty years. Which still doesn't have anything to do with my and others having had enough SPAM.

Further YOU do NOT have your credentials
What the hell did you mean by that nonsense. There are no credentials involved here.>>
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Sep 20, 2011
The guy is known as he is known.
And A=A and SPAM is still SPAM.

He aint gettin away with nothing!
Lovely syntax. And accidentally correct because he IS getting away with spamming the site.

STOP the HATE!
You really should stop hating me so much you lie about my position and attack your lie.

There is no hate involved by me. Just got tire of the SPAM.

Go back 2 science!
Do let me know when Oliver tries to discuss it again. Last time he did I had no trouble at all showing he didn't know what he was talking about. I still do. His only response these days is to repeat the crap I have disproved many times.

Now get this through you thick obdurate and fantasy filled skull.

I have NEVER tried to make Oliver go away for his little peccadilloes. I have only tried to make the SPAM go away.

So quit lying about my position. If you don't like what I have to say then deal with what I said. NOT with the crap you try to invent.

Ethelred