Pics of Greenland glacier melt shocks expert
September 6, 2011 By Sunanda Creagh
Aerial oblique view of the Petermann glacier front on 5 August, 2009 Jason Box Byrd Polar Research Center. Credit: Ohio State University.
Breathtaking before-and-after pictures showing how fast a Greenland ice sheet has melted in just two years have shocked a climate change expert familiar with the glacier.
Aerial oblique view of the Petermann glacier front on 24 July, 2011 Alun Hubbard of Aberystwyth University, Wales.
The melting of glaciers is seen as a yardstick by which the warming of the planet is measured. Climate change experts have warned that sea-level rises caused as the planet warms and the glaciers melt could devastate coastal and island communities.A British glaciologist who has been studying the Petermann Glacier in north-west Greenland, which is over 300km long and makes up 6% of the Greenland ice sheet, described pictures showing how fast it had melted as “gob-smacking.”
Oblique view of the Petermann glacier front on 24 July, 2009 Jason Box Byrd Polar Research Center, Ohio State University
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Oblique view of the Petermann fjord, former location of the Petermann glacier front on 24 July, 2011 Alun Hubbard of Aberystwyth University, Wales
“Although I knew what to expect in terms of ice loss from satellite imagery, I was still completely unprepared for the gob-smacking scale of the breakup, which rendered me speechless,” said Dr. Alun Hubbard from the Institute of Geography and Earth Sciences at Aberystwyth University said in a statement released by the Welsh university.Dr. Hubbard visited the site in July 2009 and again in July this year to observe the change.
“It was incredible to see. This glacier is huge, 20km wide and over 600m thick and hemmed in by sheer cliffs that rise to 1000m on either side. It’s like looking into the Grand Canyon full of ice and coming back two years later to find it’s full of water.”
Oblique view of the Petermann glacier front on 24 July, 2009 Jason Box Byrd Polar Research Center, Ohio State University
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Oblique view of the Petermann fjord, former location of the Petermann glacier front on 24 July, 2011 Alun Hubbard of Aberystwyth University, Wales
“What the breakup means in terms of inland ice acceleration and draw-down of the ice sheet remains to be seen, but will be revealed by the GPS data recovered, which we are now processing at Aberystwyth,” he said.This story is published courtesy of the The Conversation (under Creative Commons-Attribution/No derivatives).
Source: The Conversation
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Sep 06, 2011
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"When climate change "experts" recover from shock, may I suggest that they take a few minutes to read about the nuclear forces" - OmaTard
Sep 06, 2011
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It is time to face reality and abandon unscientific dogma that divides us ! [Obama yields on smog rule in face of GOP demands]
www.physorg.com/n...rds.html
1. www.omatumr.com/a...enon.pdf
2. www.omatumr.com/a...nces.pdf
3. www.omatumr.com/lpsc.prn.pdf
4. www.omatumr.com/a...tnuc.pdf
5. www.springerlink....6685079/
6. http://arxiv.org/.../0501441
7. http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.0704
8. http://journalofc...102.html
9. http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
0. http://dl.dropbox...5079.pdf
Sep 06, 2011
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Your ignorance in no way alters reality. Grow up!
Sep 06, 2011
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And has been since the sun went supernova and created the earth.
Sep 06, 2011
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you should take your own advice.
Sep 06, 2011
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"The public is increasingly aware that AGW is absolute bunkum, rot, BS!" - OmaTard
Sep 06, 2011
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But still, if the theory were so groundbreaking, why is he pushing it on a forum like physorg, and not in Physical Review Letters or Science?
Sep 06, 2011
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Like clowns at a rodeo that divert attention away from anything serious, like an injured cowboy.
This quote from the abstract of a paper:
"Earth is connected gravitationally, magnetically and electrically to its heat source a neutron star that is obscured from view by waste products in the photosphere. Neutron repulsion is like the hot filament in an incandescent light bulb. Excited neutrons are emitted from the solar core and decay into hydrogen that glows in the photosphere like a frosted light bulb. Neutron repulsion was recognized in nuclear rest mass data in 2000 as the overlooked source of energy, the keystone of an arch that locked together puzzling space-age observations"
["Neutron Repulsion", The APEIRON Journal, in press (2011)] http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
May bring attention back to the serious charge that observations were ignored for 40 yrs to promote the illusion that the Sun has no influence on climate change.
Sep 06, 2011
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Sep 07, 2011
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Proving that you have joined the ranks of the conspirators as well.
Did they threaten your life? Or did they offer to pay you with stolen government money?
Sep 07, 2011
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"["Neutron Repulsion", The APEIRON Journal, in press (2011)] http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
May bring attention back to the serious charges..." - OmaTard
OmaTard .... Get back on your medication. You are going to hurt yourself.
Sep 07, 2011
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here is the link
http://www.ideasi...nge.html
There is a full PDF download from the site.
I am still working my way through it.
Sep 07, 2011
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Sep 07, 2011
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Sep 07, 2011
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http://www.geocra...ange.pdf
I really thought that CO2 was the No1 Greenhouse gas and cause for changing the climate but after reading this report by Tim Patterson I seriously doubt it is.
very Interesting reading.
Sep 07, 2011
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We that close to the dumbest comment I've read so far
Sep 07, 2011
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http://thingsbrea...h-curry/
lolwot comment
"Oliver K. Manuels comments are hilarious.
The subject could be about baked beans and you are guaranteed within the first few comments of the thread will be something like:
Thank you, thank you, Professor Curry, for another moment of truth about baked beans.
That reminds me of the time NASA at the behest of the world government fraudulently covered me in baked beans for daring to speak out about secret agreements made with Chinese leaders in the week that changed the world, new discoveries about the origin, composition and source of energy of the Earth-Sun system have been ignored, hidden or manipulated by the US National Academy of Sciences, the Royal Society, and the federal research agencies they control since 1972.
..."
be he crackpot or clown we should laugh at him and then pity
Sep 07, 2011
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This has to be taken into account in order to determin whether the melting in Greenland is the result of local weather/ ocean current or indeed global warming (AGW included).
Sep 07, 2011
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It certainly is not!
Experimental data and observations on the Sun were hidden, ignored or distorted for the next four decades (1971-2011) [2].
Climate change continued, impervious to efforts to direct the force that powers the Sun, the Earth, and the evolution of life [3].
Our current dilemma: The integrity of science was compromised for society's benefit in 1971. Can the integrity of science be restored without damage to society in 2011?
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
1. The Bilderberg model of the photosphere and low chromosphere, Solar Physics (1968) vol 3, 5-25
http://adsabs.har...oPh.3.5G
2. "Deep, historical roots of Climategate" (2011)
http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf
3. Neutron repulsion, The APEIRON Journal (2011) in press
http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
Sep 07, 2011
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Sorry Jamesrm I guess the report was too technical for you to understand it, although it does have pretty pictures in it :)
A poorly educated person can criticize anyone but the real trick is having something to substantiate what comes out of your mouth.
Unfortunately this web site has become nothing more than a way for a number of people to vent their anger at people of science for their own failings at life.
I will leave posting comments and guess more may follow in due course which will leave the angry and inept to scorn each other.
Sep 07, 2011
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http://www.udel.e...610.html
They said that there are two pinch points in the valley the glacier follows and that the glacier had unexpectedly failed to calve at either of those two pinch points for a long time, mainly because the ice was too thick to break. After the big iceberg came off last year, they have been watching for the rest of it to come off. They even predicted where the ice would fracture. The story above is obviously sensationalism.
Sep 07, 2011
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Sep 08, 2011
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He said it was hard to judge whether the event occurred due to global warming because records on the sea water around the glacier have only been kept since 2003. The flow of sea water below the glaciers is one of the main causes of ice calvings off Greenland.
"Nobody can claim this was caused by global warming. On the other hand nobody can claim that it wasn't," Muenchow said.
Sep 11, 2011
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Sep 11, 2011
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That's putting the cart before the horse.
After all, the melting of ice is one of the two primary CAUSES of global warming, and not "just" a result of global warming.
The more ice melts the lower the albedo, and therefore the more ice will continue to melt.
In spite of our resurgeant La Nina pattern in the eastern pacific, the norther pacific, Arctic circle and Atlantic ocean are more than hot enough to make up for the low temps in the el nino area.
http://www.nhc.no...anom.gif
The Hudson Bay is averaging over 5 celsius above normal temperatures for the calendar week, and many other parts of the arctic are 5 or more celsius above normal. Consider also that the "normal" has been updated, with the previous ten years dropped from the average, reflecting only the last 30 years, 1981 to 2010, updated.
Sep 11, 2011
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http://igloo.atmo...;sy=2011
This is the winter/spring maximums for sea ice in 1980 vs 2011.
Notice we are missing an area of ice equal to perhaps a couple times the size of ALASKA all together: east of siberia, south of newfoundland, south of scandanavia, and between greenland,iceland, and scandanavia.
The comparison is useless for the land-based snowpack data, however, since it wasn't recorded back then.
However, the point is, this ice represents a PERMANENT change in average albedo of the planet, resulting in net radiant gains of up to 450 WATTS PER METER SQUARE during full daylight.
This is why the ice not only melts, but it stays melted, and melts worse and worse every cycle.
When you melt a chunk of ice that big, well, do some math at how big the change in net solar input is due to albedo changes...it's enormous.
Sep 11, 2011
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1. Earth's climate has changed and is changing.
2. The Sun has evolved and is evolving.
3. Life has evolved and is evolving
We are partially protected from the Sun's unstable pulsar core by:
a.) A solar mantle of mostly Fe, O, Ni, Si, S, Mg and Ca
b.) A solar photosphere of waste products (H and He)
c.) Distance from the Sun
References:
1. "The demise of established dogmas formation of the Solar System", Nature 303 (1983) 286
http://tallbloke....1983.pdf
2. "Is the Universe expanding?", J. Cosmology 13, 4187-4190 (2011)
http://journalofc...102.html
3. "Origin and evolution of life", J. Modern Physics 2, 587-594 (2011)
http://dl.dropbox...5079.pdf
4. "Neutron repulsion", The APEIRON J., in press (2011)
http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Formerly NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
Sep 11, 2011
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"Astronomy will never advance until astronomers realize that they can't see stars." - OmaTard
Sep 12, 2011
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Oliver, pasting links to your own non-peer reviewed work is not evidence. Please post evidence from another source completely unrelated to you.
...and claiming conspiracy theories are holding back that evidence won't wash.