Our ability to model past climates does not guarantee future success

Sep 23, 2011

(PhysOrg.com) -- New research from the University shows that past trends in climate must be very carefully understood before using them to model the future.

Climate scientists found that models are generally good at seeing past trends - but that there are important differences that must be recognised when predicting future patterns.

Researchers looked at these to examine their trends in the Arctic and the Tropics, and found that eight of the 11 models studied did a reasonable job of reproducing these trends. However, most models could not reproduce the 1920-1940 warming particularly in the tropics, and additionally the researchers found that the models often got similar trends for different reasons.

Ms Julia Crook, who led the study, said: "Models reproduced the Arctic and warming from a combination of forcings (e.g. carbon dioxide and particulate changes), feedback mechanisms (e.g. ice melt) and transport of heat in weather and ocean currents. When we looked at our results we found that the contribution from each term varied considerably amongst the models."

Professor Piers Forster, her co-author, added: "Although climate models agree on the past it is hard to say which model is best, and in the future their different set-ups cause their climate predictions to diverge from one another."

"For this reason it is vital that we use a range of models, and improve understanding of basic processes, if we are to refine our ability to accurately predict the climate patterns of the future."

The research is published as an editor's highlight in the September issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research.

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More information: Crook, J. A., and P. M. Forster (2011), A balance between radiative forcing and climate feedback in the modeled 20th century temperature response, J. Geophys. Res., 116, D17108, doi:10.1029/2011JD015924

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omatumr
1 / 5 (3) Sep 25, 2011
past trends in climate must be very carefully understood, . . .


But were instead ignored when Big Brother started manipulating government science in ~1971 to unite nations against an imaginary threat of global climate change. See:

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2. Professor Ian Pilmer's new book, "How to get expelled from school"

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One of few politicians who understands the serious danger facing our formerly free society today, Václav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic wrote the Foreword.

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jsdarkdestruction
1 / 5 (1) Sep 26, 2011
since you feel like posting this same exact post on multiple threads i will do the same with my comments from before

so since ethelred called you out its now "big brother" and not kissinger and mao? were you hoping no one would notice you were wrong again? I've seen you do this multiple times now. Why not just admit you were wrong oliver?
GSwift7
1 / 5 (1) Sep 26, 2011
Back on topic:

This isn't surprising at all. Different models are written with different needs in mind. If you work for NOAA and you are mainly looking at ocean currents, then your model might have a simplified term that represents the jet stream, for example. If you work for the Department of Agriculture, and you're looking mainly at planting and harvest seasons, then your model might have a simplified term to represent the oceans. Not all models are meant to represent a full picture of the earth and models are sometimes used in ways they weren't intended. There are relatively few models designed to model the whole earth system at a relatively high resolution. If you don't need a model that requires time on a top of the line supercomputer, then it's better to make a model that can run on a lower class machine.

A good analogy might be automobiles. Not all automobiles need to be built like a Formula 1 car, nor do they all need to be able to carry 16 tons of cargo.

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