Do planets rob their stars of metals?
August 2, 2011 By Jon Voisey
Artist's impression of the Solar Nebula. Credit: NASA
t has been known for several years that stars hosting planets are generally more rich in elements heavier than hydrogen and helium, known in astronomy as metals. These heavy elements help to form the cores of the forming planets and accelerate the formation process. However,a new study has helped to suggest that the opposite may also be true: Planets may make their host stars less metal rich than they should otherwise be.
The new research is led by Ivan Ramirez at the Carnegie Institution for Science. In it, the team analyzed the unusual exo-planetary system 16Cygni. The star system itself is a triple star system composed of two stars similar to the sun (A and B) as well as a red dwarf (C). The solar A star and the red dwarf form a tight binary system with the sun-like B star in a wider orbit of nearly 900 AU. 16CygniB was discovered to be host to a Jovian planet in 1996 making it one of the first systems known to contain an extrasolar planet.
The study analyzed the spectra of the two solar type stars and found that the one around which the planet orbits was notably lower in metals than the one in the binary orbit with the red dwarf. Because both stars should have formed from the same molecular cloud astronomers assume their initial compositions should be identical. Since both are similar masses, they should also have evolved similarly in their main-sequence life which should rule out divergence in their chemical fingerprints.
Similar properties have been noted in a 2009 paper by astronomers at the university of Porto in Portugal. In that study, the team compared our own Sun to other stars of similar composition and age. They discovered that the Sun had an odd feature: It was notably depleted in elements known as refractory metals when compared to volatile elements with low melting and boiling temperatures. The team suggested that those missing elements may have been stolen by forming planets. The newer study makes the same proposition.
Both teams note that the effect is not conclusive. They consider that 16CygA may have been polluted by heavy elements, possibly by the accretion of a planet or similar material. However, they note that if this was the case, they should also expect to see an additional amount of lithium. Yet the lithium abundance for the two stars match. The 2009 paper considers similar cases. They consider that the solar nebula may have been seeded by a nearby supernova that would enhance the abundances, but the enhanced elements do not seem to match the expected productions for any type of supernova. Still, with such a small number of systems for which this effect has been discovered, such cases of special pleading are still within the realm of statistical possibility. Future work will undoubtedly search for similar effects in other planetary systems. If confirmed, such elemental oddities could be considered as a sign of planetary formation.
More information: http://arxiv.org/P … 7.5814v1.pdf
Source: Universe Today
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What? No iron core? Oh no!
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I let him know. I saw him at the DMV changing his license plat from FE-SUN to Feel-Son.
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If I made /you/ blush, then maybe it was too far. :)
Tasteless jokes aside, I'm actually curious to see his response.
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Has he been adjudicated guilty of any crime? Is he incarcerated?
Do you have personal knowledge or are your statements based on your own interpretation of facts unknown?
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As for this research, an interesting note. Commonly cosmologists/astronomers will estimate the generation of the stars by the amount and types of metals in the spectral lines of light. Soooooo....if this research truly pans out and is confirmed (Which will take a while, even if their hypothesis is correct) It would mean that the scientists would have to re-examine a significant fraction of stars assumed or known to have planets. Not that I think it will overturn anything big, but just enough to feed the trolls here.
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Well, considering the registry said the victim was female, your joke isn't applicable now.
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ummm...Consider how relative your notion would have to be. If the sun was *acquired*, then what would the planets have been orbiting? It would be a more logical thought to ask if some or all of the planets were aquired.
Now to answer your revised question, I think current theory would suggest that some, but not a significant amount of material was aquired after the formation of the solar system. However, i don't think we're sure enough to put it out of the realm of possibility that more substansive amounts came in post formation.
The main argument against your suggestion is that radio-isotope and spectral analysis so far falls within theoretical limits that our system formed together - the ratios of elements and radioactive isotopes are consistent with what we know to suggest everything formed together.
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It's quite realistic to me that two solar systems in close proximity within the same nebula would be set into motion to merge with one another. On a grander scale Galaxy's do this often.
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No.
Metals, like iron (Fe) in the cores of planets near the Sun, are ejected from the central star.
The star then reforms on the pulsar core, as the Sun did.
A photosphere of waste products accumulates around the pulsar, as the Sun did.
Gravitational interactions of orbiting planets with the pulsar jerk it around inside the glowing ball of waste products (photosphere), to produce solar cycles of magnetic activity, as the Sun does.
That action also keeps the interior partially stirred, bringing more heavy elements up to the top of the photosphere.
Where astronomers see more photons emitted by metals in stars that have planets.
See:
1. "Earth's Heat Source - The Sun", Energy and Environment 20, 131-144 (2009):
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.0704
2. "Neutron Repulsion", The APEIRON Journal, in press, 19 pages (2011);
http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1
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Yeah, I had looked for just this, but was unable to find it. I am sorry the information was confirmed. Regardless, thanks.
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There is evidence as well of planetary disturbances that bring them out of orbits and crashing into earth to make the moon. What is different about a solar system that planets and galaxies don't have? Or why couldn't a rogue black hole draw in two solar systems as it passes by?
I would really like to understand why this can't happen.
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But:
Like I said, the radioisotope levels and elemental ratios support the single formation theory.
Also, a merger of two systems is likely to be very chaotic and throw many of the objects out of the new system. Furthermore, two stars merging would likely cause affects (Like eating up the inner planets in the ensuing chasos) in the composition and structure of the solar system.
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I am saying that there is currently no visible crumbtrail that is leading us down the path to the conclusion that we have a significant merging event or significant captured parts to our system. This is an idea that has been studied.
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And that proves your point that the sun ejected all the iron from its interior and that formed the cores of our planets and then the neutron core that remained resumes neutron repulsion and covers itself with a layer of hydrogen and helium waste and now its been going on long enough for more iron to be created and form a rigid structure right under the photoshpere how?
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An addendum (page 9) [1] suggests that Henry Kissinger himself made the agreement in 1971 with leaders of the Communist Block of nations to end the US Apollo Missions, "the space race", and to unite nations against a "common enemy" (Man-Made Global Climate Change) in order to avoid the possibility that the entire world might be vaporized like Hiroshima was on 6 Aug 1945.
President Richard Nixon was selected to be the "fall guy" for this decision [2], but Nixon started to implement the decision on 5 Jan 1972 [3] before arriving in China with Henry Kissinger on 21 Feb 1972 to "officially" make the agreement.
1. http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf
2. www.history.com/t...on/audio
3. http://claudelafl...ams.html
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Each naked stellar core (neutron star) has an interesting cooling evolution stages: white... red... brown... black (so called black holes) dwarfs. These bodies are super-dense masses of the recycled neutrons (without the positrons and electrons), due to violent neutron emission is an important fuel for the stars.
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Is my wife spiking my beer with crazy pills? Have we not seen a white dwarf remain after a supernova?
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Right, I was confused. But we have seen white dwarfs remain after the red giant expels most of its gas, right? Isn't that what is theorized to happen to our star? Point being that we've seen red giants, then we've seen white dwarfs in it's place at a later time, right? Or is that just an assumption based on what we think we know about stellar evolution?
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Sorry about that.
Today the intriguing, sordid history of events that ended NASA's Apollo program and produced the current Economic Crisis and Chimategate were updated (back to the April 1967 Bilderberg Conference) and renamed - The Bilderberg Sun, Climategate & Economic Crisis It is available at these links:
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An interesting fresh neutron star we have in the Crab nebula. naked core of the exploded star in 1054. Its pulsation is interrelated between neutron repulsion and gravitation attraction forces. It consist by remaining protons (insignificant percent) and recycled neutrons.
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The Sun "is homogeneous and in hydrostatic equilibrium."
O. Gingerich and C. De Jager, Solar Physics 3, 5-25 (1968):
http://adsabs.har....3....5G
That foolishness is also a fundamental assumption of the AGW propaganda.
Every solar cycle, solar flare, and solar eruption falsifies Bilderberg's SSM and AGW.
Earth's heat source is obviously not constant, but Al Gore, Big Brother, and associates want to pretend that their propaganda is "scientific."
They are getting more desperate now because the public has realized that government scientists will manipulate data and observations for research funds.
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