A spinning neutron star is tied to a mysterious tail

Aug 18, 2011
Credit: X-ray: NASA/CXC/IUSS/A.De Luca et al; Optical: DSS

(PhysOrg.com) -- A spinning neutron star is tied to a mysterious tail -- or so it seems. Astronomers using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory found that this pulsar, known as PSR J0357+3205 (or PSR J0357 for short), apparently has a long, bright X-ray tail streaming away from it.

This composite image shows Chandra data in blue and Digitized Sky Survey data in yellow. The position of the pulsar at the upper right end of the tail is seen by mousing over the image. The two bright sources lying near the lower left end of the tail are both thought to be unrelated background objects located outside our galaxy.

PSR J0357 was originally discovered by the Fermi Gamma Ray in 2009. Astronomers calculate that the pulsar lies about 1,600 light years from Earth and is about half a million years old, which makes it roughly middle-aged for this type of object.

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Thecis
not rated yet Aug 18, 2011
One wonders, could this finally be the real proof for neutron repulsion...
LKD
5 / 5 (2) Aug 18, 2011
Shush, you'll only encourage stockpiles of colander hats. :D
Thecis
5 / 5 (1) Aug 18, 2011
My sincere apologies, I couldn't resist ;-)
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (8) Aug 18, 2011
Naw that's obviously 4 dimensional ripples in 7 dimensional aether sludge. Electrically charged that is. Because it's GLOWING. Duh.
Tuxford
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 18, 2011
Neutron star on the move. Extremely dense object accelerates the new material nucleation process therein. And with instabilities from the periodic mass-growth thermal-imbalance, explosive ejections can be expected. If it happens to be on the rapid move, a tail might form.

Just like a timid teenager, it is a challenge for the ego of most to think against the norm.
Vendicar_Decarian
4.4 / 5 (13) Aug 18, 2011
"One wonders, could this finally be the real proof for neutron repulsion..." - Thecis

Absolutely.

More proof of the repulsive properties of Neutrons is as close (but no closer) as your closest box of cornflakes....

Cornflakes have a special secret ingredient called Neo-Neutronium that uses neutron repulsion to keep dark matter out of your cereal.

If you have ever opened a box of cornflakes, you will see that inside you will never find any dark matter, and that is a testimonial to how well Neutron Repulsion works at keeping the stuff at bay.
hemitite
not rated yet Aug 18, 2011
Tuxford,

So it's a skid mark?
HannesAlfven
2.7 / 5 (12) Aug 18, 2011
When galaxies demonstrate a connection, they are said to be merging.

When quasars are shown to connect to nearby galaxies, the connection is disputed and ignored.

When a pulsar is observed connected to a filament, the inference of the filamentary, conducting plasma may be supported by laboratory plasma experimentation. But, that's not enough for a mention.

In every similar instance, there are two competing explanations: an electrical and a gravitational. Each can be explained and defended.

But, packaged in every press release is just one of these two inferences. And the preferred, published inference always supports the same preferred gravitational framework, every single time.

What I wonder is this:

For those who do not know what the electrical plasma-based framework explanation is for each of these ambiguous observations, how will you decide for yourself which is the better inference in each individual case if you are not being informed of both inferences?
Tuxford
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 18, 2011
Could this twin tail be formed from bipolar ejections from it's core as the galaxy moves along? Imagine the Fermi bubbles recently discovered ejected from the core in our galaxy.

http://www.physor...341.html

Is it inconceivable that this pulsar is creating much of this nebula? Spewing energy is admitted, but perhaps ejecting new gas too?

http://www.physor...137.html

And pulsars have been measured to be on the move. I recall that the Crab pulsar is also moving rapidly?

http://www.physor...702.html

HannesAlfven
2.8 / 5 (11) Aug 18, 2011
And for the record, psychology studies demonstrate that ridicule has a more lasting effect upon people than physical pain. What this means is that public ridicule can be a very effective means of affecting the thoughts of others.

But, the problem for advocates of conventional wisdom which they repeatedly ignore is if you tinker with the process by which people formulate belief, then how can you be certain that the resulting consensus represents an accurate portrayal of our search for truth? Where we see forums filled with ridicule of every unconventional idea, at what point do we start to think of this as group-think?

It's a legitimate question, as it is not purely by chance that physics PhD's all unanimously agree with the conventional gravitational framewrk. The physics PhD program routinely discards students who exhibit divergent theoretical thoughts.

This leads to a strong consensus in the scientific community, but as a side effect, it also fails to generate critical thinkers
jsdarkdestruction
3.7 / 5 (9) Aug 18, 2011
yes, its all a conspiracy by moidern science to hide neutron repulsion/electric universe/whatever tuxford says his idol says. Good job guys! you all get a gold sticker for the day!
omatumr
1 / 5 (10) Aug 18, 2011
One wonders, could this finally be the real proof for neutron repulsion...


Neutron repulsion is as close as the nearest star !

As support for the AGW story vanishes, there is new interest in the origin of sunspots from the deep interior of Earth's violently unstable heat source ["Detection of Emerging Sunspot Regions in the Solar Interior," Science 333, 993-996 (19 Aug 2011)]

www.sciencemag.or...bstract.

We published a paper on this subject a few years ago ["Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate", Journal of Fusion Energy 21, 193-198 (2002)]:

http://arxiv.org/.../0501441

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo

TimESimmons
1 / 5 (4) Aug 19, 2011
A drag tail in deep space? Yet more evidence for anti-gravity matter.

http://www.presto...ndex.htm
vidar_lund
3.4 / 5 (10) Aug 19, 2011
@HannesAlfven
This leads to a strong consensus in the scientific community, but as a side effect, it also fails to generate critical thinkers


Freedom of speech does not mean that you have the right to be heard. The scientific community is not open to all, it never has been and never will be. Many of the 'theories' advocated on this forum are complete rubbish. Screaming and shouting about unfair play doesn't make any difference as long as your 'theories' are based on kindergarten reasoning.
Shootist
4.6 / 5 (10) Aug 19, 2011
Where we see forums filled with ridicule of every unconventional idea, at what point do we start to think of this as group-think?



When (AWT, Electric Universe, Ollie) says GR/SR is wrong w/o providing any proof, or observation to support their claim: Ridicule is being asked for.

When the most rigorously tested theory on the planet, is again tested to destruction, and passes with 9 9s, and the Aether people still say GR is wrong: Ridicule is begged for.
LKD
3.7 / 5 (3) Aug 19, 2011
This leads to a strong consensus in the scientific community, but as a side effect, it also fails to generate critical thinkers


Anytime someone uses consensus in a scientific discussion, it negates anything they say. Consensus is for board meetings, fact is for science.
OdinsAcolyte
Aug 19, 2011
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hush1
1 / 5 (2) Aug 19, 2011
lol
And facts are forever. No, wait, that diamonds. No, wait, diamonds come and go in candle flames:
http://www.physor...nds.html

We are impressed with the asserted longevity of objects from reality(?). To assert Nature has nothing you can call obsolete or superseded, offers security.
Just imagine, some thoughts last 6000 years. lol
Pressure2
1 / 5 (1) Aug 19, 2011
What I would like to know is what element(s) the tail is made
from?
omatumr
1 / 5 (8) Aug 20, 2011
Climategate is the key to a puzzle - ending with a solar storm engulfing Earth [1] - beginning with Kissinger's visit to China in 1971 [2] to initiate secret agreements with leaders of nations, science and the news media to:

a.) Unite nations,
b.) End the space race,
c.) Eliminate nationalism,
d.) Avoid nuclear annihilation.

Consensus science is Big Brother's way to control information.

World leaders formed BB to avoid nuclear annihilation in 1971 - a noble goal that deception cannot achieve without building a tyrannical one-world government.

Australian citizens are uniting in convoys headed to Canberra for a show of no confidence in their government's support of BB's environmental cover and AGW fraud [3].

1. http://science.na...memovie/

2. http://dl.dropbox...mony.pdf

3. www.international...ce-rally

OM
Isaacsname
not rated yet Aug 20, 2011
This is not an image of neutron degeneracy in action ?

http://en.wikiped...e_matter
walkeryea
not rated yet Aug 20, 2011
i am a political science major so have no idea about the complex argument you all have but ridicule is not a way to defeat poorly concluded ideas proof is defending ones ideas is not a dis proof of another persons argument, proving there argument in error is.
jsdarkdestruction
3.3 / 5 (3) Aug 20, 2011
oliver, stop spamming that horse shit conspiracy theory of yours.you want to talk about lying and conspiracies and hiding evidence? how about how you molested all your children throughout your life and lied about it for years keeping it secret and hiding it till finally all your children went to the authorities and you were charged with all those sodomy and rape charges that you got extremely lucky with because only 1 case had not passed the statue of limitations so you managed to avoid prison by admitting you did it. I think you should of been executed myself, child molesters dont deserve to live.
HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (4) Aug 20, 2011
Re: "When the most rigorously tested theory on the planet, is again tested to destruction, and passes with 9 9s, and the Aether people still say GR is wrong: Ridicule is begged for."

From David Harriman's "The Logical Leap: Induction in Physics", page 24:

"The sheer observation of a regularity, without any grasp of its cause, does not establish a generalization. For example, however often primitive man observes the daily and annual movements of the sun, he cannot, on such basis alone, conclude that the sun must always move relative to Earth in a particular way. His perceptions here are rather the first evidence he has for a generalization -- which can be validated only by reference to later knowledge based on other methods ..."

HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (4) Aug 20, 2011
"... Here again we see that quantity of instances alone is irrelevant to induction. In first-level induction, a single instance is sufficient. By contrast, thousands of observations of an unconnected regularity establish at most a hypothesis worthy of investigation."

And if we back up a bit to page 18, this could not be made any clearer:

"Only if its reduction to first-level generalizations is possible can a generalization be regarded as objectively true. As Dr. Peikoff has pointed out, 'Man's only direct contact with reality is the data of sense. These, therefore, are the standard of objectivity, to which all other cognitive material must be brought back.' A generalization not reducible to sensory data is merely an arbitrary claim, the source of which is some emotion or authority. Such a claim is inadmissible into the field of knowledge or science."

Me: In other words, if your inference involves any recourse to non-sensory explanations, then you can never "prove" it.
HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (3) Aug 20, 2011
Re: "Freedom of speech does not mean that you have the right to be heard. The scientific community is not open to all, it never has been and never will be. Many of the 'theories' advocated on this forum are complete rubbish. Screaming and shouting about unfair play doesn't make any difference as long as your 'theories' are based on kindergarten reasoning."

Plasma-based cosmology was largely spawned through the work of Hannes Alfven, a Nobel laureate who earned the Nobel for his work in mathematically modeling plasmas. Some of his most important predictions about the nature of cosmic plasmas have proven true. IEEE, the world's largest scientific institution, still publishes on this subject, btw. The Astrophysical Journal has no monopoly on thinking about the universe's underlying mechanics. In fact, people who would imagine it to be are arguably living in their own self-imposed psychological cocoon.
HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (4) Aug 20, 2011
You may not realize it, but Alfven was quite vocal about his problems with the ways in which conventional astrophysicists were applying MHD to cosmic plasmas. In fact, as he created these very models, he clearly initially agreed with them. But, that was at the beginning of his career. As he came to work with plasmas more, he came to see that the plasmas frequently violated these models in practice.

To start from the premise that cosmic plasmas don't behave as laboratory plasmas is not a philosophical approach. We've seen similar speculations solidified into dogma with regards to the inherent structure and properties of water. And in cell biology, there is also an electrical paradigm which corroborates the EU -- based upon these 40-year-old findings about water -- which mainstream cell biologists have been trying their hardest to ignore.

Electricity seems to be like wack-a-mole for the mainstream: They are struggling to minimize it's importance across all disciplines.
HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (3) Aug 20, 2011
I don't know if you guys have been following it, but our university system is running into very troubling times. The cost of tuition is quickly spiraling out of control. At the same time, our entire economy is transforming into an Internet-connected software-dominant economy. None of us need to have a PhD to see what is coming -- the virtualization of education.

Now, if a single one of you out there has some sort of notion that this is not going to disrupt every aspect of the existing educational system, then we can confirm that you are in a bubble.

We are on the verge of a new era in education. It's going to be one of the next big things to hit Silicon Valley. And this process is going to decentralize the authority of the university system.

People will eventually sell "virtual university kits" which run on Linux clusters. Anybody with enough money will get to decide what they want to teach.

You guys need to wake up to what's happening. You guys are the dinosaurs.
HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (3) Aug 20, 2011
Mainstreamers will surely claim that this will mark the end of science, with the implication that science is going to get worse. But, in doing so, many will unknowingly ignore the fact that a similar thing happened at the birth of science, as the Renaissance progressed.

Those who imagine that the public needs to be protected from bad ideas in science will be pleasantly surprised to observe that some of these new, more specialized universities will generate legitimate research. After all, it was never actually a secret that much of cutting edge science was happening at its fringes. And it will only take a few instances of this for the traditional physical university system to lose its eminent luster. Faced with this new reality, the new university landscape will morph into shapes which we cannot currently accurately predict.

You can either fight it or join it. And ideologies will ultimately stand or fall on the basis of whether or not they can churn out innovation.
HannesAlfven
1 / 5 (3) Aug 20, 2011
Thus, nobody is "Screaming and shouting about unfair play". We are instead progressing towards our inevitable virtualized future -- some of us more aware of it than others.

What people seem to have stopped realizing is that the educational system has always been inherently dynamic in the long-view. Ideologies come and go, and humans are not at the end of this process. Many things which are currently taken for granted will eventually lose mainstream favor, and even come to be ridiculed by future generations.

It just wasn't enough to build the Internet. Social networking had to also become mainstream before many other changes could follow. Now that it has, the battle over ideas in science will intensify. The Electric Universe will eventually break from its virtual origins and come to be discussed as a source for innovative technologies and predictive models.

Those who have cast their vote on the EU without due diligence may come to regret their public comments.
Ethelred
5 / 5 (5) Aug 21, 2011
Climategate was the key to decipher a puzzle - ending with a solar storm engulfing Earth [1] - beginning with Kissinger's visit to China in 1971 [2] to initiate secret agreements with leaders of nations, science and the news media to:
And Oliver has exactly as much evidence for this bizarre bit of paranoid fantasy as he does for Neutron Revulsion. None whatsoever.

This is typical of Oliver. When the questions get too intense and he can't see anyway out he tries a complete diversion and spams the hell out the site with new garbage.

Quality is his dignity.

Just as much dignity as his quality.

Ethelred
Thecis
not rated yet Aug 22, 2011
Well, this has been a rather interesting discussion. I honestly didn't know that fact about cornflakes. Quite informing and really true. I have never had dark matter in my cereal!

Thank you all for participating in these free of charge, open minded, intellectual platform.

Kind regards,
Thecis

Any similarities with known people is most likely to be coincidental. If one feels attacked by the posts in this string, one should probably discuss this within their next session with their "coach".
No animals were harmed in the process of this debate.
lengould100
5 / 5 (1) Aug 22, 2011
What debate?
Shootist
5 / 5 (1) Aug 25, 2011
beginning with Kissinger's visit to China in 1971 OM


Only Nixon could go to China.
Ethelred
not rated yet Aug 25, 2011
Warning this coming from a long ago memory and may be messed or even a memory of purest political reporters bullshit that is messed by me on top of it. But it was I remember from the time.

It was Kissinger that went there first. AND it started at some kind of diplomatic party where one US embassy type was trying to talk to a Chinese embassy type and the Chinese kept trying to dance away. Fortunately for China he stopped dancing or got cornered.

At the time the Russians had recently announced that were going to be wonderfully warm hearted and all nicey nicey and pull out some troops and short range nukes from the Turkish border area (might have been some other border). What they carefully didn't say is where the stuff was going.

The stuff went to the Chinese border and we caught it on either a satellite or SR71 photo mission. This was the basic cause of the warming of US China relationship.

I wonder if I remember any of that correctly.

Ethelred

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