Found: Heart of darkness
This is the portion of sky in which astronomers found the Segue 1 dwarf galaxy. Can you see it? Credit: Marla Geha
Astronomers using the 10-meter Keck II telescope in Hawaii have confirmed in a new paper that a troupe of about 1,000 small, dim stars just outside the Milky Way comprise the darkest known galaxy, as well as something else: a treasure trove of ancient stars.
By dark astronomers are not referring to how much light the galaxy, called Segue 1, puts out, but the fact that the dwarf galaxy appears to have 3,400 times more mass than can be accounted for by its visible stars. In other words, Segue 1 is mostly an enormous cloud of dark matter decorated with a sprinkling of stars.
Using the DEIMOS instrument on the Keck II telescope, astronomers could identify which stars were moving together as a group. They are circled here in green. Credit: Marla Geha
The initial announcement of the Darkest Galaxy was made two years ago by Marla Geha, a Yale University astronomer, Joshua Simon from the Carnegie Institution of Washington, and their colleagues. This original claim was based on data from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey and the Keck II telescope. Those observations indicated the stars were all moving together and were a diverse group, rather than simply a cluster of similar stars that had been ripped out of the nearby and more star-rich Sagittarius dwarf galaxy. A competing group of astronomers at Cambridge University were, however, not convinced.So Simon, Geha and their group returned to Keck and went to work with the telescopes Deep Extragalactic Imaging Multi-Object Spectrograph (DEIMOS) to measure how the stars move not just in relation to the Milky Way, but also in relation to each other.
If the 1,000 or so stars were all there was to Segue 1, with just a smidgeon of dark matter, the stars would all move at about the same speed, said Simon. But the Keck data show they do not. Instead of moving at a steady 209 km/sec relative to the Milky Way, some of the Segue 1 stars are moving at rates as slow as 194 kilometers per second while others are going as fast as 224 kilometers per second.
That tells you Segue 1 must have much more mass to accelerate the stars to those velocities, Geha explained. The paper confirming Segue 1s dark nature appeared in the May 2011 issue of The Astrophysical Journal.
By subtracting out all the other objects in the image and leaving the Segue I member stars, the “darkest galaxy” emerges. Credit: Marla Geha
The mass required to cause the different star velocities seen in Segue 1 has been calculated at 600,000 solar masses. But there are only about 1,000 stars in Segue 1, and they are all close to the mass of our Sun, Simon said. Virtually all of the remainder of the mass must be dark matter.
Stellar Old Folks Home
Equally exciting news from Segue 1 is its unusual collection of nearly primordial stars. One way to tell how long ago a star formed is by its heavy element content, which can be gleaned from the characteristic absorption features in the stars spectrum. Very old or primitive stars come from a time when the universe was young and few large stars had yet grown old enough to fuse lightweight atoms like hydrogen and helium into heavier elements like iron and oxygen. Early, and therefore ancient, stars that formed from early gas clouds are therefore very low in heavy elements.
The researchers managed to gather iron data on six stars in Segue 1 with the Keck II telescope, and a seventh Segue 1 star was measured by an Australian team using the Very Large Telescope. Of those seven, three proved to have less than one 2,500th as much iron as our own Sun.
That suggests these are some of the oldest and least evolved stars that are known, said Simon.
All three images above are combined in this captioned mosaic. Credit: Marla Geha, Keck Observatory
Searches for such primitive stars among the Milky Ways billions have yielded less than 30.In Segue 1 we already have 10 percent of the total in the Milky Way, Geha said. For studying these most primitive stars, dwarf galaxies are going to be very important.
Dark Matter Demolition Derby
The confirmation of the large concentration of dark matter in Segue 1 underscores the importance of other research that has focused on Segue 1. In particular, some researchers have been looking with the space-based Fermi Gamma Ray Telescope in hopes of catching sight of a faint glimmer of gamma rays which could be created, theoretically, by the collision and annihilation of pairs of dark matter particles.
So far the Fermi telescope has not detected anything of the sort, which isnt entirely surprising and doesnt mean the dark matter isnt there, said Simon.
The current predictions are that the Fermi telescope is just barely strong enough or perhaps not quite strong enough to see these gamma rays from Segue 1, Simon explained. So there are hopes that Fermi will detect at least the hint of a collision.
A detection would be spectacular, said Simon. People have been trying to learn about dark matter for 35 years and not made much progress. Even a faint glow of the predicted gamma rays would be a powerful confirmation of theoretical predictions about the nature of dark matter.
In the meantime, astronomers suspect there are other, perhaps even darker dwarf galaxies hovering around the Milky Way, waiting to be discovered. Wed like to find more objects like Segue 1, Simon said.
Provided by W. M. Keck Observatory
-
From lemons to lemonade: Reaction uses carbon dioxide to make carbon-based semiconductor,
32 comments
-
Thioridazine kills cancer stem cells in human while avoiding toxic side-effects of conventional cancer treatments,
3 comments
-
SpaceX private rocket blasts off for space station (Update),
42 comments
-
Climate scientists say they have solved riddle of rising sea,
31 comments
-
SpaceX capsule has 'new car' smell, astronauts say (Update),
2 comments
-
revamping general concept and cosmological principle
May 25, 2012
-
Transiting Exoplanet Light Curve
May 25, 2012
-
Math behind Theoretical Physics
May 24, 2012
-
Do we know whats at the center of galaxies yet?
May 23, 2012
-
Structure of the Milky Way?
May 20, 2012
-
What would it take to terraform Pluto and Charon?
May 19, 2012
- More from Physics Forums - General Astronomy
More news stories
Sophisticated simulations predict future warming
The chances of our planet being hit by a global warming of 3 degrees Celsius by 2050 is as likely as it being hit by an increase of 1.4 degrees, new research shows. Presented in the journal Nature Geoscience, the British study ...
Space & Earth / Earth Sciences
May 22, 2012 |
4.4 / 5 (9) |
51
Kyoto Protocol architect 'frustrated' by climate dialogue
UN climate talks are going nowhere, as politicians dither or bicker while the pace of warming dangerously speeds up, one of the architects of the Kyoto Protocol told AFP.
May 23, 2012 |
3.7 / 5 (7) |
39
Aliens don't want to eat us, says former SETI director
Alien life probably isnt interested in having us for dinner, enslaving us or laying eggs in our bellies, according to a recent statement by former SETI director Jill Tarter.
Space & Earth / Space Exploration
May 25, 2012 |
4.4 / 5 (13) |
37
Dragon arrives at space station in historic 1st (Update 2)
The privately bankrolled Dragon capsule made a historic arrival at the International Space Station on Friday, triumphantly captured by astronauts wielding a giant robot arm.
Space & Earth / Space Exploration
May 25, 2012 |
5 / 5 (10) |
19
What's the big deal about private space launches?
(AP) -- The first private spaceship is headed to the International Space Station. Some questions and answers about the cargo mission by Space Exploration Technologies, known as SpaceX:
Space & Earth / Space Exploration
May 22, 2012 |
5 / 5 (6) |
35
Nvidia trumpets Tegra 3 phone design wins for 2012
(Phys.org) -- Nvidias competitive war paint has a name, Tegra 3. On the heels of Nvidia announcements about lowering costs of its Tegra 3 processors and Nvidia-enabled tablets running Android Ice Cream ...
Browser wars flare in mobile space
The browser wars are heating up again, but this time the fight is for dominance of the mobile Internet.
Scientist: Evolution debate will soon be history
(AP) -- Richard Leakey predicts skepticism over evolution will soon be history. Not that the avowed atheist has any doubts himself.
Dell tablet leak: 10.1-inch display, two-battery choice
(Phys.org) -- Headline after headline talks about vendors tablets in the wings as likely number-one contenders for the iPad. Such claims have justifiably been taken with a grain of salt, considering ...
Keep food safety in mind this memorial day weekend
(HealthDay) -- Picnics, parades and cookouts are as much a part of Memorial Day weekend as tributes to the United States' war veterans.
Social welfare cuts ultimately come with heavy price, researchers say
(Phys.org) -- Slashing government funding for Medicaid, food stamps and other programs that serve the poor while politically popular with some lawmakers and many conservatives may do more harm ...



Aug 01, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (1)
Aug 01, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Aug 01, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (4)
"The stars are moving differently than if they were the only thing there, must be lots of DM." Is a very unsatisfactory answer in my book.
Because this galaxy is so close to us I am looking forward to much more research here.
@gxander: Seems to me that lensing from a black hole would be substantially different than lensing from a "halo" of DM causing the star movement. This could be a great opportunity to put some nails in the coffin of several competing theories.
This is a small enough galaxy, that theories such as MOG should be able to be tested without the effort required for larger systems. Throw in the Milky Way, 1000 stars and a predicted BH and see whether it comes close to the observations. I sure wish I could do the math.
Aug 01, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (14)
This is one of those 'please explain' moments ~ whose been fiddling with the telescope??
Aug 01, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Good eye RKS. Anybody have a "real" answer?
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Well spotted.
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 3 / 5 (4)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 2.5 / 5 (4)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
What else it can be?
If you have looked at pictures of Abell 1689 it seems somewhat similar.
But of course the scale is dramatically smaller. And this lensing is incredibly smooth. And formation of dark matter can't be spherical but rather should be filamentary with cut off around these stars.
Anyways it's amazing.
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 3.7 / 5 (3)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 2.5 / 5 (4)
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
You are right, I check again and there are 12 stars that are circled and also are repeated ( and their repetitions are not circled by the way)
Look here http://i.imgur.com/9nTQD.jpg
Aug 02, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
Alignment with picture orientation is too perfect and the border is too sharp.
You could imagine that research was done using other data and this picture was made only for presentation purposes. But if they have circled some random stars after picture was made ... this looks like a bad joke.
Aug 06, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
Aug 06, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
The green circles represent different star groups moving together using DEIMOS. DEIMOS uses a narrow-band filter. so the stars should still be their they are just not moving with the others.
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: 3 / 5 (2)
I call fake. And I predict that we won't hear a peep from Hawaii. Case closed, IMHO.
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
The green circles are not repeated because they are the ones that are moving at different rates. All the stars would have been subjected to DEIMOS narrow-band filter in order analysis their red shift. This data would not have been shown on this image because it would clutter the image. If the rest of the math was shown it would look something like this keep in mind Im that good at math. C = 299,792,458 m/s is the speed of light in vacuum and h = 6.62606896(33)×1034 J s = 4.13566733(10)×1015 eV s is Planck's constant. Then you would have the specific red shift given in GHZ. For some reason I think people would be saying WTF Keck do we really need all that text I cant even see what your talking about.
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
http://keckobserv...arkness/
And I verified the paper was published in the May 2011 issue of The Astrophysical Journal:
http://iopscience...33/1/46/
And here's an accessible copy of the orignal paper:
http://authors.li...ys_J.pdf
But it's not clear from the graphs and charts in the paper that these Keck images are the actual images used for this study.
So I can definitely conclude that the W. M. Keck Observatory article is using these images, but I'm uncertain as to whether these images and the study's images are one and the same.
Can anyone clarify further?
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
I was mistaken the image was not intended to become a composite. I dont know why both side are not identical. I speculate that it has something to do with DEIMOS filtering out interfering intense light sources. Confusing but perhaps need to make a more accurate reading.
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
david13579 even plotted them and highlighted them here:
http://i.imgur.com/9nTQD.jpg
I can't wait to hear the explanation for this.
Good job to everyone, particularly RobertKarlStonjek (for being first to point out the discrepancy)!
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
No he didnt those stars are still their they are just not moving at the same rate. That was the propose of the image to show the different speeds that the stars are moving.
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Maybe you think they suddenly "put the brakes on" from one image segment to the other?
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
http://www.youtub...G0AqCZUQ
-Note the visual reference to the flood of humanity upon the earth-
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
But otto is Purist. No death/doom/strange punctuation names, only Blackness from the Pit:
http://www.youtub...syOzpSJU
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Aug 07, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
david13579 observation was flawed. None of the stars that are circled in the top image are circled in the lower. Simply because he says that some are repeated and others are not doesnt make it true.
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
Looking at the first two images, it appears that the field in the upper-right quadrant is the same as in the lower-right quad. The upper and lower left quads appear to be adjacent, not duplicates. Some CCD imagers, as I suspect w-Keck's DEIMOS, are comprised of CCD arrays that cover larger areas of the sky than a single CCD (in this case 4 CCDs).
IMO, the upper and lower left and lower right CCD images are all are covering adjacent fields (L-shaped). The upper right quad contains a copy of the lower-right quad. Regardless, the green circles, denoting the observed stellar distribution of Segue 1 stars has been overlain on this erroneous 4-CCD representation of the galaxy as noted above, thus accounting for the discrepancies in the right side of the image. Note there are no stellar discrepancies in the left portion of the image.
con't
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
And THAT is the problem. The same stars appear on top but are not circled, so, they form part of Serge 1 on the bottom and not on the top?.
The 12 stars I marked appear twice while they are circled once.
If you don't believe they are repeated, cut the image in have and superimpose both halves with one half not 100% opaque and then slowly move on the images up and down and you will notice those 12 do repeat.
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
In reality, the main problem here is in the images presented to accompany the PR, as noted above by david13579. Ignoring them (misprints are not uncommon in PR material you know), the science presented in the paper seems quite sound. Faking these PR pics makes absolutely no sense.
I have been following the published work on Segue 1 since its discovery in 2006. Dr Geha and her colleagues are quite well regarded in this field and with Segue 1 in particular. Another paper regarding these same Keck observations of Segue 1 can be found here: http://arxiv.org/...85v1.pdf
The original 2008 paper by Geha et al is here: http://arxiv.org/...81v1.pdf
Discovery of Segue 1: http://arxiv.org/...48v1.pdf
A wiki page on the galaxy with links to other relevant papers: http://en.wikiped.../Segue_1
con't
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (4)
"Is anybody trying to find a proposed distribution of DM for this galaxy?"
The modelled distribution of DM in all galaxies includes several models largely inconsistent with each other. However, today's arXiv had a paper concerning how dwarf galaxies may (or not) act as accurate tracers for DM distribution in these systems: http://arxiv.org/...95v1.pdf
The paper also offers some interesting insights into how DM haloes of satellite galaxies may combine over time to form the massive DM haloes around average galaxies found today. Most interestingly, "Our results therefore suggest that the processes that govern the spatial distribution of galaxies, once they have merged into larger halos, must be luminosity dependent, such that luminous galaxies become poor tracers of the underlying dark matter."
This of course has implications wrt models of DM distribution in (most) average-size galaxies formed by accretion of smaller satellites.
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
I seem to recall from one of the earlier Keck papers on Segue 1 linked above that due to the size of the galaxy at the plane of the telescope the galaxy could be completely detected on just a single 4 CCD array. This would jive with my earlier supposition that using a 4 CCD image with the top right quad image being a copy of the bottom right quad, would form an L-shaped contiguous field of Segue 1.
I've emailed Dr Geha for her response regarding this apparent illustration mixup and will post a reply if received.
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
It seems unlikely that Marla Geha could make such a mistake, even going so far as to circle different stars in the same star-field, without some form of serious incompetence (or even fraud) being evident. This makes me question not only the validity of this work, but any related work as well.
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
I agree it seems unlikely. She has extensive experience w-Keck & DEIMOS, using the combination for earlier observations of Segue 1, Andromeda & MW dwarf galaxies and stars near Sag-A* at the center of our galaxy. Do note that in this (and previous) studies, individual CCDs are used to precisely locate potential candidates in the field, not mosaic images of the larger field. This is in part to assure precision placing of the fiber guides to the spec side of DEIMOS for RV determinations of individual stars. This was done for both sets of observations of Segue performed w-Keck('08 & this paper).
Also, I'm not sure if you're aware that most images (*especially* those not appearing in the original paper) prepared for press releases are done so by students or others not affiliated with the paper. I believe this is the case here. Team members may or may not have even seen the PR images before release.
con't
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
Simple errors in IRAF routines can produce erroneous images such as that seen here. In fact, I have seen previous examples of the same type of error in PR images from Keck, VLT, and SDSS, so it's not out of the question that's what happened here.
In any case, given Segue 1's potential for future DM studies (GR annihilation signatures for one), new papers should be out soon with data on stars in this galaxy, using 8-10m class scopes needed for RV work on stars this faint. Hopefully before the end of the year. Why not wait for confirmation of these admittedly difficult observations before passing judgment on this or prior work by Geha.
What (besides the bonky ills. in the PR) do you see as a problem in the *paper* by Geha et al?
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
I beat yyz to the punch.
All you analyzers get to work. Hopefully somebody can match this new image to the star field as well as the consistency of the image.
yyz - the paper was fine for me, but admittedly I'm in over my head as usual. Very interesting all the same.
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Scooped, I tell ya. ;)
(Thanks for the update Pyle......and thanks Marla.)
Aug 08, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Think about it. Would you ever fully trust the wayward surgeon again?
Good work to Pyle and yyz.
Aug 09, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
I think you misstate the importance of the photo for the PR piece. This is more like doing the surgery on the correct leg and then photographing the wrong leg for the after image. This is a PR image and really has nothing to do with the research except to "sell" it. Because of the potential implications of this research with respect to our understanding of DM I think the PR is a great thing.
Remember most of the work is done with raw numbers generated and not the pictures. I am looking forward to more of Prof. Geha's work with Segue 1.
Hopefully the work on these local systems can shed some light on the validity of our different DM models as well as providing constraints on modified gravity theories.
Aug 09, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (2)
I think if I were in her place, I'd be all over the media, tastefully musing at my misfortune (while promoting my work).