Hacker group declares cyber war on US police

Aug 07, 2011 by Glenn Chapman

A hacker group on Saturday claimed it has "defaced and destroyed" websites at scores of US police agencies in retaliation for the arrest of suspected peers accused of hacking into the CIA, British crime agency SOCA, and Sony.

The group called AntiSec -- in reference to "anti-security" -- said in an online post that it is backing its claim by releasing information it looted more than 70 local agencies during .

"We are releasing a massive amount of confidential information that is sure to embarrass, discredit and incriminate police officers across the US," the group said in a message.

"We are doing this in solidarity with Topiary and the Anonymous PayPal LOIC defendants as well as all other political prisoners who are facing the gun of the crooked court system."

Early this week, 18-year-old British man Jack Davis, believed to be a hacker who went by the online name "Topiary" was granted bail in a London court.

Davis is suspected of being a spokesman for hacking groups Lulz Security (LulzSec) and Anonymous.

He was charged with hacking into websites, including that of Britain's SOCA, which was out of service for several hours on June 20 after apparently being targeted.

LulzSec has claimed responsibility for a 50-day rampage earlier this year against international businesses and government agencies, including the , the US Senate, and electronics giant Sony.

Anonymous and LulzSec have denounced the arrests in the United States last month of 14 people suspected of taking part in an online attack on the PayPal website organized by Anonymous.

PayPal, Visa and MasterCard stopped accepting donations for WikiLeaks in December after the website began releasing thousands of sensitive State Department cables.

AntiSec said that it was leaking 10 gigabytes of data including private email exchanges, passwords, numbers, addresses of officers and information about informants.

"You may bust a few of us, but we greatly outnumber you and you can never stop us from continuing to destroy your systems and leak your data," the hacker group's message said.

"We have no sympathy for any of the officers or informants who may be endangered by the release of their personal information," it continued.

An AFP sampling of police department websites puportedly hacked by AntiSec revealed they were not accessible online. Information posted by AntiSec appeared to include names, addresses, and .

AntiSec said it had used some swiped credit card information to make donations to groups defending civil liberties, Internet rights, and the US soldier accused of giving sensitive military data to .

Cyberattacks on police departments in an array of US states began about a week ago, according to the group. Local news reports surfaced regarding hacks of police websites, but agencies downplayed damage.

AntiSec expressed offense at being referred to in a recent US Department of Homeland Security bulletin as "script kiddies" incapable of inflicting damage to critical national infrastructure.

Script kiddies is a term used when referring to young hackers that wield software skills mischievously for status or attention.

"You are losing the cyberwar, and the attacks against the governments, militaries, and corporations of the world will continue to escalate," AntiSec said.

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Telekinetic
3.9 / 5 (14) Aug 07, 2011
The bleak future depicted in the film "Children of Men" seems to be here. Too much information has been secreted under the pretext of "National Security" and not enough released under the "Freedom of Information Act." Government officials are understandably threatened when their methods and motives are unmasked. Information in this age is power, and I say- power to the people!
poof
1.8 / 5 (8) Aug 07, 2011
And this solves what?
Sin_Amos
3.6 / 5 (7) Aug 07, 2011
Viva La Revolucion!
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (21) Aug 07, 2011
"You may bust a few of us, but we greatly outnumber you and you can never stop us from continuing to destroy your systems and leak your data," the hacker group's message said.
These guys are providing a valuable service by attacking systems in earnest and exposing flaws. Defenders cannot know for sure that they can rely on their defenses until they have been attacked by a determined foe.

These organized hackers are also serving as irresistable quarry for law enforcement to be able to develop increasingly effective ways of finding internet perps. New levels of security are needed as the world enters an era of heightened conflict.

In order to get combatants to perform at their best in any engagement, one must be able to elicit the proper emotions in either side. Antisec is very good at doing this.

By the way they are so busted
zombieregime
1 / 5 (1) Aug 07, 2011
i love fear porn reporting.

Anonymous does not have spokesmen, that is kind of the point of being anonymous. anyone identifying themselves as Anonymous is blowing smoke. a real anon prefers to stay anon.

anyone linking them selves to Anonymous is angsty script kiddie(doesn't write programs, just downloads them pre-built and runs them. no skill required, and thus of little threat.) who has nothing better to do but get laughs messing up peoples websites.

'Anonymous' supposedly getting into police records is a flaw in the police side(probably a bad password, like 'password'), not a foreshadow of some large internet group waiting destroy the internet(hint: an impossible concept).
zombieregime
3.3 / 5 (6) Aug 07, 2011
when the older generation that actually makes laws start getting ruffled by this 'cyber war', their only response will be to enact laws governing the internet. all script kiddie 'Anonymous' angsty teens are doing is bringing about the end of internet freedom as we know it.
kevinrtrs
3 / 5 (12) Aug 07, 2011
We have no sympathy for any of the officers or informants who may be endangered by the release of their personal information, it continued.

This is of course where it begins to get real ugly. Once someone gets hurt physically as a result of hacking at will, these guys will become public enemy number one.
Besides which, the cliche will operate - power in the hackers hands will corrupt them to the point of complete disregard for law or reason. This is coming.
zombieregime
Aug 07, 2011
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iPan
2 / 5 (4) Aug 07, 2011
It's time to throw down!
Dug
4.2 / 5 (6) Aug 07, 2011
I think a lot of hackers "skill" is more a lack of skill by public agencies and corporations not adequately protecting their sites. All you have do is look at the lack of professional ability in the site development of gov. companies like Lowes, Walmart and hundreds of other smaller companies to see just how incompetent their developers are - to the point of pathetic.

Their main problem is their execs. are incompetent regarding IT in general and consequently they don't have the ability to hire technically competent IT people. I even know software companies with execs. that can't do much more than turn on their computers. With complex technology you have to be one to know one.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (15) Aug 07, 2011
when the older generation that actually makes laws start getting ruffled by this 'cyber war', their only response will be to enact laws governing the internet. all script kiddie 'Anonymous' angsty teens are doing is bringing about the end of internet freedom as we know it.
There are already laws against what hackers are doing. And learning how to catch them is far more important than altering the structure of the internet to try to defend against abuse, which never works for long.

The attacker always has the advantage when time is on his side, when he can wait like a lion in the grass, watching the herd for weakness, and attacking at a time of his own choosing.

Better if the herd develops the ability to hunt HIM. This was the breakout strategy of the primate species which became US.
Isaacsname
5 / 5 (2) Aug 07, 2011
GREETINGS PROFESSOR FALKIN

HELLO

A STRANGE GAME.
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY.

HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS?

~ WOPR

oO
Vendicar_Decarian
not rated yet Aug 07, 2011
A line echoed in the new TRON.

"The only way to win is not to play."
Telekinetic
3.7 / 5 (7) Aug 07, 2011
when the older generation that actually makes laws start getting ruffled by this 'cyber war', their only response will be to enact laws governing the internet. all script kiddie 'Anonymous' angsty teens are doing is bringing about the end of internet freedom as we know it.

What a spineless jellyfish you are to respond with fear of losing an illusion of internet freedom should you rock the boat. Everytime you log on to this site or any other, you're making them money- your habits are hawked to information salesmen. Wake up, will you, you have no real freedom, and if you get close to really pissing off the authorities, they'll give you what for. The only hope for any nation, society, or culture is TRANSPARENCY, otherwise we're sitting ducks for authoritarianism.
frajo
2.3 / 5 (4) Aug 07, 2011
Once someone gets hurt physically as a result of hacking at will, these guys will become public enemy number one.

Someone has been killed already: Mark Duggan.
Those who shot him are enemies of the public and they can be sure not to be punished. As none of the police killers of Jean Charles de Menezes has been punished.
But that doesn't seem to concern you.
dogbert
2 / 5 (8) Aug 07, 2011
There are always anarchists who seek to damage governments.

Their efforts only serve to harden the governments and generate new restrictions on freedom.

The activities of such groups generate results which are the precise opposite of what the groups purport to want. This causes use to wonder, what do they really want?
Isaacsname
4 / 5 (2) Aug 07, 2011
There are always anarchists who seek to damage governments.

Their efforts only serve to harden the governments and generate new restrictions on freedom.

The activities of such groups generate results which are the precise opposite of what the groups purport to want. This causes use to wonder, what do they really want?

I think the idea is that when a movement reaches a critical mass it will change the way people think and live. Changing things from inside the system no longer works effectively in our favor.
komone
3 / 5 (4) Aug 07, 2011
It's one thing to stop hackers, it would be quite another to track them down and charge them for irresponsible actions. Security on the Internet has now to move more forcefully into the latter arena. So you and I will have self-styled hacker "freedom fighters" to thank for bringing on the fuller force of "Big Brother" monitoring into all of our lives.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (15) Aug 07, 2011
Once someone gets hurt physically as a result of hacking at will, these guys will become public enemy number one.

Someone has been killed already: Mark Duggan.
Those who shot him are enemies of the public and they can be sure not to be punished. As none of the police killers of Jean Charles de Menezes has been punished.
But that doesn't seem to concern you.
Haha. Haha frajo.

Apparently mr duggan was a gang banger? Who fired at officers first and the only reason an officer isnt dead is because the bullet hit his radio?

Of course these are allegations which need to be proven out in an investigation. But starry-eyed ideologues like you think its ok to burn the neighborhood first, possibly roasting inhabitants in their beds, rather than wait for an investigation.

Hurrah. Anywhere but YOUR neighborhood eh? Your selfish dogma gets people killed.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (16) Aug 07, 2011
Those who shot him are enemies of the public
Those who riot and loot and burn are enemies of the public. Those who support and glorify their actions are enemies of the public. Aiders and abettors of criminals.

Off with their heads eh mon bourreau?
Isaacsname
3.5 / 5 (2) Aug 07, 2011
You guys do realize Anonymous are just cyber-Yippies, right ?

I'm all for it.
rwinners
not rated yet Aug 07, 2011
Cool. The good geeks vs the bad geeks... I'll leave it to you to decide which is which. X percent of every US tax dollar will now go to funding the geek war.
Just don't F??? with my bandwidth!
Techno1
2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 07, 2011
"We have no sympathy for any of the officers or informants who may be endangered by the release of their personal information," it continued.

With that, they should be considered international terrorists.

This brings up the question, with miniaturization continuing and eventually graphene and photonic computers in 5 to 10 years as well, what the hell are security companies going to do when a Hacker can buy a 64-core, portable hand-held photonic super-computer for 200 dollars from Nokia?

or a 128 core photonic desktop PC?

They'll be able to break almost any security system by some sort of brute force approach.
Telekinetic
2.3 / 5 (4) Aug 07, 2011
"Apparently mr duggan was a gang banger? Who fired at officers first and the only reason an officer isnt dead is because the bullet hit his radio?" -TheGhostofOtto1923

The police claim that they came under fire from Duggan and that the man died after officers shot back. It was claimed that a police officer was hit in the chest by Duggans shots, but that the officers radio stopped the bullet. The revelation that the bullet that struck the officer was apparently a police issue bullet means that the story now has to be reconsidered.- from The Guardian
Poor research on your part, Ghost, shamefully poor.
Isaacsname
not rated yet Aug 07, 2011
"We have no sympathy for any of the officers or informants who may be endangered by the release of their personal information," it continued.

With that, they should be considered international terrorists.

This brings up the question, with miniaturization continuing and eventually graphene and photonic computers in 5 to 10 years as well, what the hell are security companies going to do when a Hacker can buy a 64-core, portable hand-held photonic super-computer for 200 dollars from Nokia?

or a 128 core photonic desktop PC?

They'll be able to break almost any security system by some sort of brute force approach.


I guess real security will be a paper file, they seem much less susceptible these days, lol.
maxcypher
not rated yet Aug 08, 2011
None of you has any idea of what is going to happen in our "weird wild web". The rate of change is exponential. Most humans think linearly. It's all about what one thinks to be one's identity. It's guaranteed that that the rate of change (in both values and tech) is faster than you realize. Learn to flow faster than ever before.
ScienceLust
1 / 5 (1) Aug 08, 2011
Just one more reason for big brother to put more cameras on you.
frajo
1 / 5 (1) Aug 08, 2011
The killing of Jean Charles de Menezes - laying on the ground, unarmed and innocent - with seven bullets into his head clearly was an act of terrorism. Legal terrorism.
Shame on those who try to justify this unpunished murderous killing by not mentioning it.

Shame on anyone trying to justify any unpunished murderous killing of any unarmed innocent child or adult explicitly or implicitly.
frajo
1 / 5 (1) Aug 08, 2011
Just one more reason for big brother to put more cameras on you.


Just one more excuse pretending BigBrothers can not put forward any "reason" their marketing agencies generate. Remember the Iraqi incubators.
SteveL
1 / 5 (2) Aug 08, 2011
Governments will react to what it considers cyber-terrorism with even more regulation and taxation. This is the way governments always react when attacked and always will react. These people have no sense of history and will damage the very freedoms they claim they want to protect. Hackers are providing our governments with the needed justification. Very brilliant but short sighted people who won't see the consequences of their actions until the damage has been done, and if they follow the pattern of most such people they will never understand that they are the ones who made things worse - not better.
LuckyBrandon
1 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2011
I hope they take down the whole lot of police forces across the nation (try for permanently please). All they do is perpetuate our lack of freedom (and the lie the government tries to pass off as freedom) anyways. I'm not really for all the hacker games...but if you're gonna do it and pick a target, this is a good one IMO.
Waterdog
2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2011
Charge them with treason and send them to Guantánamo Bay. No trial - no appeal - no computers for ten years. Then see how relevant their hacking skills are.
Javinator
3.7 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2011
I'm all for freedoms and cracking down on abuse of power, but ...

"We have no sympathy for any of the officers or informants who may be endangered by the release of their personal information," it continued.


So there's no sympathy or regard for these peoples' lives because they support an institution that AntiSec is against...

Classic "death to the infidels" reasoning. I'm not saying they're trying to kill people, but that's a pretty sociopathic.

TheGhostofOtto1923
3.8 / 5 (10) Aug 08, 2011
The killing of Jean Charles de Menezes - laying on the ground, unarmed and innocent - with seven bullets into his head clearly was an act of terrorism. Legal terrorism.
SHAME on anyone who decides that officers are guilty of terrorism based ONLY on this much uncorroborated information, and the strength of their blind ideology.

Neighborhoods continue to burn. Innocent people continue to suffer because of ideologues such as frajo.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (12) Aug 08, 2011
I hope they take down the whole lot of police forces across the nation (try for permanently please).
And I do hope that your home is the first one the gangs invade, after they are done with the police. It will give me time to lock and load.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 08, 2011
The revelation that the bullet that struck the officer was apparently a police issue bullet means that the story now has to be reconsidered.- from The Guardian
Poor research on your part, Ghost, shamefully poor.
Really? The ballistics report isnt out yet. Did the Guardian rag do their own tests telekinetically maybe??

"The results of the police watchdog's ballistics report in connection with the death of Mark Duggan in Tottenham last Thursday are expected within 24 hours."

"But marksmen involved in the incident in Tottenham believe that the bullet was home-made, a source close to the officers has told Channel 4 News."

-STFU. Youre fomenting violence. Haters like you and frajo enable rioters and looters to victimize and burn innocents in their flats. You realize that?

Revolutionaries sitting on their fat asses in their underwear, typing with righteous indignation while real people suffer. Hey - you smell smoke???
Telekinetic
2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2011
The police officers who shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes did not identify themselves or give him any warning, witnesses have told the inquest into his death.
Ralph Livock, a commuter who was sitting opposite Mr de Menezes on a tube train before he was killed, said he had at first thought armed police pursuing the 27-year-old Brazilian were just lads having a laugh.
He said officers did not say anything to Mr de Menezes before he was shot seven times in the head on July 22, 2005 directly contradicting testimony given by a Met marksman.
Asked by Nicholas Hilliard QC, counsel to the inquest, Did you hear him saying anything to Mr de Menezes? Mr Livock said: Absolutely not.- London Telegraph

Now, how about you shutting your hole, you disseminator of disinformation?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (12) Aug 08, 2011
And what does this have to do with your previous post holeboy?
The revelation that the bullet that struck the officer was apparently a police issue bullet means that the story now has to be reconsidered.- from The Guardian
Poor research on your part, Ghost, shamefully poor.
Live anywhere near Walthamstow? People are losing homes and businesses there. Better put your pants on.
Telekinetic
2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2011
The killing of Jean Charles de Menezes - laying on the ground, unarmed and innocent - with seven bullets into his head clearly was an act of terrorism. Legal terrorism.
SHAME on anyone who decides that officers are guilty of terrorism based ONLY on this much uncorroborated information, and the strength of their blind ideology.

Neighborhoods continue to burn. Innocent people continue to suffer because of ideologues such as frajo.


It has to do with the pattern of lies emanating from your reactionary, fear-mongering, chest-thumping, diseased brain that makes you imagine you'd be perceived as a real man, but in actuality everyone knows, except yourself of course, that you are a cowardly fool. The neighborhoods that you feign interest in are rioting because of systemic police brutality and poverty, and this recent killing has sent them over the edge. But you, Mr. NRA, can't wait to pick them off, even though they're thousands of miles away.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (12) Aug 08, 2011
@holeboy

I asked you what a shooting in 2005 has to do with your condemnation of the duggan shooting? I'll ask your buddy frajo the same thing. Are you 2 saying that that shooting, which was clearly a mistake, mean that those who shot duggan are clearly guilty? Are you really that shallow??

Are you saying that rioters are justified in burning, beating, and looting because police are obviously terrorists when they do their jobs? 120 were injured in the rioting so far.

And how DO you get those sweat stains out of your couch? I would like answers to these questions please.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 08, 2011
-And as frajo clearly changed the subject abruptly and for no good reason (ADHD?), it's understandable that I would construe his statements to mean that the current rioting has something to do with the 2005 accident, which it does not.

Your ignorant attitudes toward the people sworn to protect us are deeply offensive and I responded in kind. Holeboy.

And I will continue to do so. Anarchy is foul as are the people who participate in it, even if only in spirit. Watch the news.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (12) Aug 08, 2011
The neighborhoods that you feign interest in are rioting because of systemic police brutality and poverty, and this recent killing has sent them over the edge.
How would you know? Do you live there? From the accounts I read, residents, including duggans own family, roundly condemn the violence. Accounts say that ongoing looting and destruction is being done by gang bangers, criminals, ANARCHISTS, and kids out for a thrill.

It sounds to me that you and frajo conclude that any time someone riots it's because their mommies and daddies made them go to bed too early when they were kids? Too bad. They should expect more than a spanking if they burn someones house down or stone a police officer.

Criminals should know that crime can be a very dangerous business indeed.
Telekinetic
2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2011
You're a child of privilege, Ghost, everything you've ever needed was provided- food, clothing, college. You never experienced a day of hunger, and all of your posing as a redneck can't hide it. What you lack, though, is a heart. The rioters have nothing to lose, that's why if they die in the streets, it's no great loss to THEMSELVES. Do you realize how tragic that is? The police treat them like they're garbage. Cops can murder. Cops can rape. And when cops want to feel better about their lot in life, they become abusive. It's historically true- even before the 2005 execution of deMenezes. Your black and white take on this situation is not the thinking of an intelligent person. It's the great mistake of the well-fed that asks, "Why can't everyone be like me?"
And finally, you're desperate and it shows. The only sweating is your own, because you realize your arguments are only the flailing of a trapped mind.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 08, 2011
You're a child of privilege, Ghost, everything you've ever needed was provided- food, clothing, college. You never experienced a day of hunger, and all of your posing as a redneck can't hide it.
Except that otto is a poor schlub who hasn't worked in years. Poor me.
What you lack, though, is a heart.
Yes so I can feel sorry for poor defenseless rioters and soccer thugs who can barely afford petrol for their bottle bombs. STFU you're deluded.

Case in point:
The police treat them like they're garbage. Cops can murder. Cops can rape. And when cops want to feel better about their lot in life, they become abusive.
Criminals DO rape and murder. People who do these things ARE garbage. Right now they're burning down London. Doesn't that bother you? Where is your HEART you pinhead?
Cont
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 08, 2011
Let me show you what cops are for:
http://www.chicag...ogallery

Go ahead. Leaf through there. Try not to feel sorry for these psychopaths but instead picture one of them standing over you in the dark while you sleep.

-Cops are for keeping people like these from breaking into my home and hurting my family. So are guns. Right now cops are doing their best to keep gutless hooligans from burning innocent people out of their homes in London.

Anyone who would favor criminals over The people charged with protecting us from them, HAS NO HEART.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 08, 2011
Like the pig who did this:
http://en.wikiped..._Pressly

Her mother found her like that, the next morning, bones sticking out of her face. READ IT gutless.
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (2) Aug 09, 2011
"Live anywhere near Walthamstow? People are losing homes and businesses there." - Ghost of Otto

Well, that is what happens when you vote for a war criminal and traitor like George Bush who is stoned on Ritalin.
Isaacsname
5 / 5 (1) Aug 09, 2011
Let me show you what cops are for:
http://www.chicag...ogallery

Go ahead. Leaf through there. Try not to feel sorry for these psychopaths but instead picture one of them standing over you in the dark while you sleep.



Number 85 would freak me out. Seriously, anybody who smiles like that is touched in the head.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 09, 2011
Yeah buddy. They're all on holiday in the beautiful city, with bricks and tire irons.
http://www.youtub...a_player

VendiTard is the guy on the left
FrankHerbert
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 09, 2011
Charge them with treason and send them to Guantánamo Bay. No trial - no appeal - no computers for ten years. Then see how relevant their hacking skills are.


No trial, no appeal? I guess we can wave the two witness requirement for the treason charge too, right? Have you ever read the Constitution?

Article III, Section 3: "No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

Amendment V: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

Amendment VI: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed..."

Amendment VII: "...the right of trial by jury shall be preserved..."

How about we charge you?
LuckyBrandon
2.3 / 5 (4) Aug 12, 2011
I hope they take down the whole lot of police forces across the nation (try for permanently please).
And I do hope that your home is the first one the gangs invade, after they are done with the police. It will give me time to lock and load.


and i have no reason to worry about such things....i have my own gang, and an arsenal...yet i highly doubt I'll have to use any of it.

remember that statement the next time you are falsely arrested, or falsely accused to a detrimental point where it doesnt matter if you were guilty or innocent because you're viewed as guilty.
innocent before proven guilty yet you go to jail before you see the judge don't you.
and yea, the 35mph over the speed limit you were doing at 3am with nobody else on the road really consitutes a jail term right.
the cops arent really the problem, the system making the laws is, but if you take down the pawns (aka cops), that same system has nothing left to stand on.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (12) Aug 12, 2011
So Lucky, I'm thinking you would prefer living in tottenham over the last week or so? Armageddon my be fun for awhile but it probably gets old pretty fast.

There's always a gang bigger than yours out there, and better armed. And you're guilty of being in their way and having stuff they want, both capital offenses. I'm pretty sure you would be eaten or hung from a bridge by a heel, and your women appropriated, as usual.

Law and order can be abusive and they do make mistakes, but I would much prefer them to none at all.
MarkyMark
3 / 5 (2) Aug 12, 2011

The neighborhoods that you feign interest in are rioting because of systemic police brutality and poverty, and this recent killing has sent them over the edge. But you, Mr. NRA, can't wait to pick them off, even though they're thousands of miles away.


What world do you live in? I live very near London and can certainly tell you that those neihbourhoods are not suffering over police brutality etc. Most of the rioters are not local, children and teenagers with shopping baggs enablng them to carry more free trainers and other goods from looting homes and buisnesses also organised gangs are here too. So now its just the oppertunistic criminality organised with blackberry phones. This has nohing to do wih that death a few days ago of somone who by all acconts has a violent history involving bladed instraments and guns whch is something that his familly is into as well! So please keep your armchair politisising to something you know about please.
Au-Pu
3.4 / 5 (5) Aug 12, 2011
REMEMBER!
All politicians are elected to represent the people in their electorate.
And that is what they promise to do in order to gain our vote.
When those people get into power and then decide to govern in secrecy from their electorate they are committing a crime against the entire nation and all of its people.
Why do they do this?
Because they choose to govern in the interests of those who give them personally and their party the most money.
IN OTHER WORDS THEY PROSTITUTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR OFFICE.
If we had open government we wouldn't have half the international problems that we presently have to endure.
Open government is honest, secrecy in government is dishonest.

Then the defence loonies will cry "we need secrecy so our enemies don't know our capabilities"

The truth is that any nation with any attack capabilities already know their potential enemies capabilities, right down to the last degree.

So let us cut all this crap.
Telekinetic
2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 13, 2011
@MarkyMark:
"Eighty per cent of children grow up in "intolerable" poverty in London's most deprived areas, the Evening Standard has learned. The highest levels of all are found in Tottenham with 80.3 per cent of children living in low-income homes, according to research by Barnardo's." - London Evening Standard

You may live in Buckingham Palace for all I know, but you don't know, don't care, or don't want to admit to the dire conditions of your neighbors. But that's fitting considering the brutal colonialism of your forebears in Hong Kong, India, Africa, etc., that plays out now in your own backyard. The sins of the father shall be visited upon the son? You'll defend your system first; a beloved monarchy (in this day and age) with the Queen Mother being one of the richest individuals in the world, rigidly divided economic classes, and a legacy of exploitation of the underclasses. After all, it's tradition. By the way, your spelling is atrocious, about as proficient as a skinhead's.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 13, 2011
By the way, your spelling is atrocious, about as proficient as a skinhead's.
By the way, you're thinking is atrocious, about as proficciant as a babbooon. You feel sorry for poor skinheads and gangbangers who burn and loot shops for wide screen tvs. You're pathettic.

Your house is full of stray cats isn't it?
SteveL
5 / 5 (1) Aug 15, 2011
The problem with the police is that they don't police each other. There's that silence thing they have when one goes bad. The police know when they have bad or incompetent officers in their force, yet they stay silent. That culture needs to be changed. Still, the coppers are our wolves hired to protect us from the insanity of others. If only they would hold their own accountable for mis-deeds we would all trust and respect them more.

In the end I'm on the Ghost's side on this issue. We need them protecting us.
LuckyBrandon
1 / 5 (1) Aug 19, 2011
So Lucky, I'm thinking you would prefer living in tottenham over the last week or so? Armageddon my be fun for awhile but it probably gets old pretty fast.

There's always a gang bigger than yours out there, and better armed. And you're guilty of being in their way and having stuff they want, both capital offenses. I'm pretty sure you would be eaten or hung from a bridge by a heel, and your women appropriated, as usual.

Law and order can be abusive and they do make mistakes, but I would much prefer them to none at all.


So by gang, I meant one's family. I think you missed the point...the cops are the ones who's job it is to enforce laws on us, so if you cripple their systems, not one of them gets hurt by it. i wasnt saying cops are the bad thing, just the first step to eliminate an system of law based on a concept of "freedom" that isn't really true freedom. fix the system, then enforce only the truly immoral actions (ie murder, etc).

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