'God particle' out of hiding places: CERN chief

August 25, 2011

Scientists at CERN are trying to determine its existence in the world's largest particle collider

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The director general of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), Rolf-Dieter Heuer, addresses a news conference at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research (TIFR) in Mumbai on August 25. Heuer said the the elusive Higgs Boson, known as the "God particle", was -- if it exists -- running out of places to hide.

The elusive Higgs Boson, known as the "God particle", is -- if it exists -- running out of places to hide, the head of the mammoth experiment designed to find it said on Thursday.

"The window for the famous Higgs Boson... is getting smaller and smaller," Professor Rolf Heuer, director-general of the European Organisation for (), told a news conference in Mumbai, where the agency presented its latest data in the quest.

The Higgs Boson is a theoretical sub-atomic particle that is believed to confer mass. It is named after a British scientist who suggested its existence in the 1960s.

It has been dubbed the "" because it is thought to be everywhere, but it has also proved agonisingly hard to find.

Scientists at CERN are trying to determine its existence in the world's largest particle collider, located in a tunnel deep below the Franco-Swiss border, and believe they can come up with an answer by the end of 2012.

Heuer said the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) was working well but finding evidence of the enigmatic particle was difficult because they were looking at the lowest levels of mass, the last place where it may -- or may not -- lurk.

He likened the search to trying to find a snowy field during a blizzard, while Pier Oddone, director of the US Department of Energy's , said it was like looking for stars in daylight.

"It's the hardest region because of the background... It's more difficult to see what's going on," Oddone said.

On Monday, CERN research director Sergio Bertolucci said experiments had excluded with 95 percent certainty the existence of the Higgs boson at higher levels of mass.

The 27-kilometre (16.9-mile) is designed to accelerate to nearly the and then smash them together where detectors in house-sized laboratories record the seething, sub-atomic debris.

The collisions briefly create temperatures 100,000 times hotter than the Sun, fleetingly replicating conditions split-seconds after the "Big Bang" that created the known universe 13.7 billion years ago.

The Higgs Boson is the missing cornerstone of the well-tested Standard Model of particle physics, a theory which explains how known sub-atomic particles in the universe interact.

Professor Rohini Godbole, particle theorist at the Centre for High Energy Physics at the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, said the Standard Model had been put together like a house of cards over the last 70 years.

"We're trying to put together the last two cards," she added. "If the is found, the two cards meet. If it's not... the house of cards is going to fall down."

Godbole said she was confident of a discovery.

"All that so far has been tested, whatever we have been predicting, has been found to be true," she said.

(c) 2011 AFP

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Magnette
Aug 25, 2011

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Please, please, please stop with the 'God particle' nonsense!
Nikola
Aug 25, 2011

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Yeah, we know it's the flying spaghetti monster particle! It's actually a tiny meatball. Ramen!
CapitalismPrevails
Aug 25, 2011

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It seems like you atheists are really thinned skinned about the God particle.
Gagarin
Aug 25, 2011

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Masses less than 110 MeV were excluded by the previous accelerator at CERN (called LEP).
Now, LHC has excluded masses more than 145 MeV. Hence if Higgs exists it must have a mass in the window 110-145 MeV, what is roughly 12-15% of the mass of a proton.
Whatever is the result (there are Higgs or there are no Higgs) the CERNs results next year would be a quantum leap in our understanding of particle physics.
anadish
Aug 25, 2011

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"Particle physics has been chasing the Big Bang backwards to higher and higher energies." However, there's a problem, space on earth is in a state of inertial lock, hence, it's impossible to reproduce big-bang like situation.

For more details on my research you can visit my site and wait a bit, till I disclose the details, as the United States Patent Office nears the date of publication of my disclosure to them.

Sure, something much more interesting than 'Higgs boson' has already been discovered.
Magnette
Aug 25, 2011

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It seems like you atheists are really thinned skinned about the God particle.


Not at all, I'm all for the science that looks for such possibilities as the Higgs Boson. What I'm thin skinned about is a science website utilising a tabloid newspaper headline expression as if it's a scientific fact.

Objectivist
Aug 25, 2011

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Please, please, please stop with the 'God particle' nonsense!

Not so fast. I was on the same page as you, but as it seems like it doesn't actually exist I think there could be no better name for it.
Mahal_Kita
Aug 25, 2011

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The real question here is; If not, what then?

Many theories can go to /dev/null then..
hard2grep
Aug 25, 2011

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Quit.. you broke mnt
Callippo
Aug 25, 2011

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OK - so far no Higgs, no string/branes, no sparticles and no WIMPs, no supersymmetry exotica, no extra-dimensions, no mini-black holes, no Randall-Sundrum gravitons... did I forget something from the theoretical physics of the last forty years?
Callippo
Aug 25, 2011

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Many theories can go to /dev/null then

It's not so bad. Many phenomena still manifest, just at different places, then the physicists are expecting. Before some time I realized, the same dilepton decay channel has been used for both top quark detection, both Higgs boson detection at LHC. If you check the graph of estimated Higgs boson mass spectrum, you will see, the excluded regions are separated into two gaps: one wide and narrow one at ~ 180 GeV.

If you check the top quark mass (176 GeV/c2), you'll realize, it's exactly the twice of the value of the gap. It's another indicia, (at least one of) the Higgs particle(s) is hiding right there... Now the new study proposes, a top quark bound by to its anti-matter partner, the antitop, would act as a version of the elusive Higgs boson.

http://www.nature...436.html
Pete1983
Aug 26, 2011

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Please, please, please stop with the 'God particle' nonsense!

Not so fast. I was on the same page as you, but as it seems like it doesn't actually exist I think there could be no better name for it.


+ 1 Internets to you sir.
iknow
Aug 26, 2011

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OK - so far no Higgs, no ..


Yep, cus God did it. (no religious nut, but it looks right)
Javinator
Aug 26, 2011

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OK - so far no Higgs, no string/branes, no sparticles and no WIMPs, no supersymmetry exotica, no extra-dimensions, no mini-black holes, no Randall-Sundrum gravitons... did I forget something from the theoretical physics of the last forty years?


Yeah, no aether.
jsdarkdestruction
Aug 27, 2011

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Their is a huge difference between "god particle out of hiding places." and "running out of places to hide." The title is very misleading.

JIMBO
Aug 27, 2011

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Science Media: STOP w/the God Particle shit !!!
Its progenitor, Leon Lederman has disowned it, yet the media keep this blatantly religious moniker on life support. 99% of the scientists working to discover it are Atheists, & in no way see it connected to theism in any way.
No, it is the media who continually `dumb down' & refuse to associate a secular moniker with it. In so doing, they are Guilty of perpetuating public perception that sciences plays 2nd fiddle to god. Lets end this BS ineptitude in science reporting, before we hear Higgs himself denounce it in Stockholm, since he is an atheist as well !
Modernmystic
Aug 27, 2011

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Yeah because every phenomena in the natural world can be explained sans intelligent motivations....

Atheists are as idiotic as creationists....
Objectivist
Aug 28, 2011

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Atheists are as idiotic as creationists....
The term "atheist" is ridiculous. It has nothing to with theology. The stance on "God" (flying spaghetti monster, big foot, wookie, elf, fairy, Santa Claus, Martha Stewart) is simply a product of a general stance on the burden of proof, as is essential to do scientific work of any value. If you'd step outside your egocentric bubble you'll come to realize that as long as you don't use this method of science, any claim is possible, thus you're trapped in a subjective illusion (or rather more so than others, as we all observe the universe subjectively) that simply pleases you. Anything else is complete rubbish.

http://en.wikiped...gnorance
ant_oacute_nio354
Aug 29, 2011

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The mass is the electric dipole moment!
physicsman121
Oct 10, 2011

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since when does god particle have anything to do with god or religion neither has a role in this matter. hope the higgs is found soon.
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