Astrophysicists report first simulation to create a Milky Way-like galaxy
August 29, 2011 By Tim Stephens
This image of the Eris simulation shows the stars in the galaxy as observers would see it. Blue colors are regions of recent star formation, while redder regions are associated with older stars. The spiral arms are typically star-forming, and the central bulge is basically "red and dead." Credit: J. Guedes and P. Madau.
(PhysOrg.com) -- After nine months of number-crunching on a powerful supercomputer, a beautiful spiral galaxy matching our own Milky Way emerged from a computer simulation of the physics involved in galaxy formation and evolution. The simulation by researchers at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and the Institute for Theoretical Physics in Zurich solves a longstanding problem that had led some to question the prevailing cosmological model of the universe.
"Previous efforts to form a massive disk galaxy like the Milky Way had failed, because the simulated galaxies ended up with huge central bulges compared to the size of the disk," said Javiera Guedes, a graduate student in astronomy and astrophysics at UC Santa Cruz and first author of a paper on the new simulation, called "Eris." The paper has been accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal.
The Eris galaxy is a massive spiral galaxy with a central "bar" of bright stars and other structural properties consistent with galaxies like the Milky Way. Its brightness profile, bulge-to-disk ratio, stellar content, and other key features are all within the range of observations of the Milky Way and other galaxies of the same type. "We dissected the galaxy in many different ways to confirm that it fits with observations," Guedes said.
According to coauthor Piero Madau, professor of astronomy and astrophysics at UC Santa Cruz, the project required a large investment of supercomputer time, including 1.4 million processor-hours on NASA's state-of-the-art Pleiades supercomputer, plus additional supporting simulations on supercomputers at UCSC and the Swiss National Supercomputing Center. "We took some risk spending a huge amount of supercomputer time to simulate a single galaxy with extra-high resolution," Madau said.
The results support the prevailing "cold dark matter" theory, in which the evolution of structure in the universe is driven by the gravitational interactions of dark matter ("dark" because it can't be seen, and "cold" because the particles are moving slowly). Gravity acted initially on slight density fluctuations present shortly after the Big Bang, pulling together the first clumps of dark matter, which grew into larger and larger clumps through the hierarchical merging of smaller progenitors. The ordinary matter that forms stars and planets (less than 20 percent of the matter in the universe) has fallen into the "gravitational wells" created by large clumps of dark matter, giving rise to galaxies in the centers of dark matter halos.
This comparison shows the Eris simulation (top) and the Milky Way (bottom). Credit: S. Callegari, J. Guedes, and the 2MASS collaboration.
For the past 20 years, however, efforts to reproduce this process in computer simulations have failed to generate massive disk galaxies that look anything like the Milky Way, with its spiral arms in a large flat disk around a small central bulge made up of old stars. A realistic simulation of star formation was the key to Eris's success, Madau said."Star formation in real galaxies occurs in a clustered fashion, and to reproduce that out of a cosmological simulation is hard," Madau said. "This is the first simulation that is able to resolve the high-density clouds of gas where star formation occurs, and the result is a Milky Way type of galaxy with a small bulge and a big disk. It shows that the cold dark matter scenario, where dark matter provides the scaffolding for galaxy formation, is able to generate realistic disk-dominated galaxies."
To perform the Eris simulation, the researchers began with a low-resolution simulation of dark matter evolving to form the haloes that host present-day galaxies. Then they chose a halo with an appropriate mass and merger history to host a galaxy like the Milky Way and "rewound the tape" back to the initial conditions. Zooming in on the small region that evolved into the chosen halo, they added gas particles and greatly increased the resolution of the simulation. High resolution means tracking the interactions of a huge number of particles.
"The simulation follows the interactions of more than 60 million particles of dark matter and gas. A lot of physics goes into the code--gravity and hydrodynamics, star formation and supernova explosions--and this is the highest resolution cosmological simulation ever done this way," said Guedes, who is currently a postdoctoral researcher at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich (ETH Zurich).
The high resolution allowed for a more precise recipe for star formation. In a low-resolution simulation, with gas densities averaged out over relatively large areas, the threshold density for star formation has to be set so low that stars tend to form in diffuse gas throughout the galaxy. In the Eris simulation, the star-formation threshold allowed stars to form only in high-density regions, resulting in a more realistic distribution of stars.
An important consequence is that when stars explode as supernovae within these localized, high-density regions, the energy injected into the interstellar medium blows a lot of gas out of the galaxy. "Supernovae produce outflows of gas from the inner part of the galaxy where it would otherwise form more stars and make a large bulge," Madau said. "Clustered star formation and energy injection from supernovae are making the difference in this simulation."
More information: http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.6030
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Aug 29, 2011
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Read the article more closely. They specifically said they developed a number of simulations to the point where they got something at low res that matched a spiral galaxy (lots of people have done that), then went back and used those same starting conditions at high res.
Aug 29, 2011
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Anyway, that you can simulate a galaxy does not necessarily mean much. There's still no direct (laboratory) experiment which proves the existence of dark matter. Without that, this simulation is really little more than conjecture based upon suppositions (a house of cards).
And, 60 million particles is nothing (well, almost nothing). There's zillions of times more particles than that in just one of the grains of Splenda I'm stirring into my coffee... Oh! Looky there... I just modeled a spiral galaxy! LOL!
Aug 29, 2011
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There are many observations, in numerous spectral ranges, which combine to provide an accurate representation of our galaxy.
It means quite a lot.
Nice use of qualifiers there. You've been burned on this issue before, so I guess you require them.
Aug 29, 2011
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It's based on the best evidence of how DM behaves from various lines of observation and measurement. Indeed, had they completely ignored DM, they would never get anything even approaching our galaxy (and others). But not only that, if DM is not used in simulations of the evolution of the universe from the BB, then the results look nothing at all like our universe.
Argument from incredulity/ignorance doesn't bolster your case.
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http://cdn.physor...anta.jpg
And this is the recent science it's based upon:
http://arxiv.org/...23v1.pdf
It means we modeled something that looks kind of like a galaxy.
What are you talking about?
Sure. It's looking more and more like the WIMP model wins out. But we already knew that.
You have no sense of humor at all, do you?
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Such as? Or are you just being contrary again?
... better than no argument at all!
Aug 30, 2011
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Of course simulations are based on emperical data. The equations are to difficult to solve completely without emperical data.
For those who doubt, solve the hamilton for 1 particle in a two dimensional box. When you succeed either do 2 particles or 1 particle in 3D...
If people who follow the Electrical/plasma Universe theories (etc) can provide the same data, the same simulations, why should the community doubt their claims?? (I know the world doesn't completely work like that but you have to start somewhere).
Aug 30, 2011
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a possibility the universe actually works like that.
As a famous investigator once said: "when you look at all the possiblities and eliminate those which are impossible, the true solution will present itself how improbable it may seem".
This means that also dark matter, as well as other options, should be looked at until we can cross out the ones that are impossible.
Good luck everyone!
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The former is a measure of time and the latter is a measure of distance.
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No, the reality is that we DO know that the Milky Way is a (barred) spiral galaxy. That is not conjecture, but observation, made by the Spitzer space telescope, et al.
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http://www.google...p;zoom=1
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Well go ahead and cite a reference and at least we might have some information other than just your opinion. Put up or Shut up.
Aug 30, 2011
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"It is agreed that the Milky Way is a barred spiral galaxy..." (Wikipedia)
For being so wrong you are really quite rude about it.
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I did not suggest that the Milky Way is or is not a Spiral Galaxy, I simply noted that just being negative or saying someone is wrong counts for nothing unless explained.
No and Wrong as comments dont contribute anything to the discussion and are far more rude. I would have expected you to know that especially since you took the trouble to look for a source of verification. However your reference as it stands is hearsay.
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http://imagine.gs...14a.html
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Because former simulations all run under the assumption of billions of years, so a filler, aka dark matter is needed. Further, this article clearly expresses past failures even with DM included.
There's two issues though I find with this. What is the implications of high density vs. low density in their simulation and is high density reflective of actual conditions? Does that equate to high concentration of material available?
Secondly, this article doesn't say if they accounted for frame dragging or gravity of the Milky Way itself, which was discussed in another recent article on physorg.
Aug 30, 2011
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It is a good effort just the same, but any resemblance to reality is merely superficial.
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What we learn from simulations like this is where to look for dark matter, if it works as we suppose it works. But, until it's isolated and quantifiably described, it's nothing more than a ghostly supposition.
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Observations of star formation regions show that stars only form in relatively high density gas clouds, or more specifically, higher density regions of gas clouds (nubulae).
The term "high density" is relative though. If you were floating in the middle of one of those "high density" areas, you would still not be able to see any visible sign of the gas around you. You're still talking about only a few molecules or ions per cubic volume of space. The air here on Earth is many times more dense, and you can't see it, for example. Those would later combine to form dust grains (aerosols). That's what we observe when we look at places like the Orion Nebula, so that's what the theory assums.
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I look on the simulations kind of like Eddington with his eclipse measurement. If the DM hypothesis proves out, we still might hold this simulation up as a confirmation of the theory even though it is ultimately determined the simulation was flawed. And with only 60,000,000 particles it can't help but be flawed.
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My using wikipedia was meant to be taken as an insult, but I guess that was lost on you. You could have performed any number of searches in google to find out you were wrong before being so righteously rude in your ignorance. You could have actually checked wikipedia's source (like I did ;-) ).
I also wanted to see if you would attack the source, which is specifically why I used wikipedia. Generally, the only time I see someone rail against wikipedia is when they are really wrong and refuse to accept they may be so. Upon seeing the information in wikipedia, you automatically disregarded it instead of trying to vet wikipedia's source or finding an alternative one that may or may not support it.
In an academic setting I would not use wikipedia, but when dealing with someone that isn't interested in evaluating his own ideas, its appropriate.
Sep 01, 2011
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I gave more solid references, including the USGS, and he still didn't like my references because they don't agree with his wild speculation and agenda. Don't bother.
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Bluehigh doesn't ever give references at all, but derides other people who do. Wiki can be either a good reference or a bad one. The key to using wiki is looking up the source of the info in the wiki before you use it as a reference. As long as you make sure that the wiki has good info, it's as good a source as some and a better source than others. The assumption that wiki is wrong is falacy. Bluehigh is using tacticts of personal attack, illogical arguments, and unsupported arguments, as well as emotional appeal and comedy to support his view. There's nothing corect or supportable about his point of view. I will stick with the evidence, regardless of my own political preference. When I can't support my political views with facts I'll just keep quiet. Personal and irrational attacks aren't helpful to support my side. It just makes a person look like a fool and detracts from the persuasiveness of thier side. Let him be a fool
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Over the past couple of years I've learned a LOT about how to spot BS around here. There's even a couple people I used to fight with regularly whom I now converse with by PM as friends. It's not about making anybody look bad for me any more. I just enjoy the challenge of trying to figure out when these articles are saying something fishy and correcting people who post nonsense or political propaganda.
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Yeah, I got fed up with howhot. guilty as charged. He earned it thoug, and he was wrong as usual. I was responding to his personal attack against me. I'm human I guess. lol. Evidence seems to suggest that I am. :)
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I try to keep the serious posters seperate from the casual ones. Howhot is a habitual poster who repeatedly posts stuff that he just makes up in his head. I don't give him much slack. Someone who is new or just makes an occasional mistake (like me) deserves a lot of courtesy, but howhot is a repeat offender and I think he does it on purpose semetimes. I just get tired of him, so I'm harsh with him. It's not like I treat other people that way, really. I promise.
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On a totally differeent note, the biggest problem I have is when people say stuff and try to make it sound more concrete than it really is. Lots of studies and press releases do that. That's my biggest pet peeve. I LOVE pointing out the uncertainties and unspoken problems when they deliberately leave them out. That's fun for me. lol. I'm a geek.
howhot hates it when I point out those things in pro-invironmental subjects. That's his thing against me. I do it with non-environmental stuff too though. He's just a big tree hugger kinda guy. I like women better, lol.
Sep 02, 2011
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Baloney, "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs." - Han Solo
Hah!
Sep 03, 2011
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Complete aside here.
There are a number of possible constructions of a "run" in which the total distance a ship travels is directly proportional to its speed during the "run".
In the easiest to comprehend case, imagine a Kessel Run where the objective is to chase down two ships both leaving the same location going in opposite directions. The faster your vessel, the less distance you'd have to travel.
Actually, the simplest case would be a Kessel Run where You travel a straight line between two fixed points. Relativistically speaking, the faster you travel, the less distance you actually travel when compared to the distance measured by a 'stationary' observer. For example, if Kessel is 15 parsecs from Coruscant (as measured by those motionless with respect to those systems), then a ship traveling at 0.6c would measure 12 parsecs between them.
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Cheers, you get a drink on me. NICE job. Relativistic physics is truely cool stuff. 5/5 and my vote for best comment of the day.
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Sep 07, 2011
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http://en.wikiped...m_Falcon
As per the article:
On the A New Hope DVD audio commentary, Lucas comments that, in the Star Wars universe, traveling through hyperspace requires careful navigation to avoid stars, planets, asteroids, and other obstacles, and that since no long-distance journey can be made in a straight line, the "fastest" ship is the one that can plot the "most direct course", thereby traveling the least distance.
So, there's one of life's great mysteries solved...
Next up, The Shampoo Principle:
Why does it take so much less shampoo to wash your hair after the 1st wash?
And yes, someone actually named it that, and couldn't figure it out...