World population to surpass 7 billion in 2011
Global population is expected to hit 7 billion later this year, up from 6 billion in 1999. Between now and 2050, an estimated 2.3 billion more people will be added—nearly as many as inhabited the planet as recently as 1950. New estimates from the Population Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations also project that the population will reach 10.1 billion in 2100.
These sizable increases represent an unprecedented global demographic upheaval, according to David Bloom, Clarence James Gamble Professor of Economics and Demography at the Harvard School of Public Health, in a review article published July 29, 2011 in Science.
Over the next forty years, nearly all (97%) of the 2.3 billion projected increase will be in the less developed regions, with nearly half (49%) in Africa. By contrast, the populations of more developed countries will remain flat, but will age, with fewer working-age adults to support retirees living on social pensions.
"Although the issues immediately confronting developing countries are different from those facing the rich countries, in a globalized world demographic challenges anywhere are demographic challenges everywhere," said Bloom.
The world's population has grown slowly for most of human history. It took until 1800 for the population to hit 1 billion. However, in the past half-century, population jumped from 3 to 7 million. In 2011, approximately 135 million people will be born and 57 million will die, a net increase of 78 million people.
Considerable uncertainty about these projections remains, Bloom writes. Depending on whether the number of births per woman continues to decline, the ranges for 2050 vary from 8.1 to 10.6 billion, and the 2100 projections vary from 6.2 to 15.8 billion.
Population trends indicate a shift in the "demographic center of gravity" from more to less developed regions, Bloom writes. Already strained, many developing countries will likely face tremendous difficulties in supplying food, water, housing, and energy to their growing populations, with repercussions for health, security, and economic growth.
"The demographic picture is indeed complex, and poses some formidable challenges," Bloom said. "Those challenges are not insurmountable, but we cannot deal with them by sticking our heads in the sand. We have to tackle some tough issues ranging from the unmet need for contraception among hundreds of millions of women and the huge knowledge-action gaps we see in the area of child survival, to the reform of retirement policy and the development of global immigration policy. It's just plain irresponsible to sit by idly while humankind experiences full force the perils of demographic change."
More information: "7 Billion and Counting," David E. Bloom, Science, July 29, 2011
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indeed the illuminati have a difrent plan the a clueless demmographics resercher has
population reduction to 500 million is there target
as inscribed by them in stone at gerorgia guide stones
i take its prety serious since its writen in stone
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Here's the main problem. We have an overpopulated underdeveloped nation like India. They are having trouble feeding all their people...again. They already have a successful and fairly productive agricultural sector (No, really they do!).
So what does India want to do policy wise? They want their agricultural sector to produce more per acre than the US, a very modern industrialized nation.
And this is why India will remain a poverty hole of the world. Because while I fully support modernization, at this point it is too late not to take a look at your 1.1 billion population and consider strategies perhaps to reign that in.
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http://www.un.org...ID=12439
If you can't trust the UN, who can you trust?
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"Chip Berlet argued that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about the Bilderberg group date back as early as 1964 and can be found in Schlafly's self-published book A Choice, Not an Echo,[44] which promoted a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose internationalist policies would pave the way for world communism"
So it up their with Sasquatches, Cupacabras, Obama being an ET and Rupert Murdock bugging your phone if he thinks he can get way with it, one of them might be true?
Its the groups you don't worry about that should concern you.
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India is NOT having trouble feeding people...FACT.
Food = People. You can't grow more people without more food, they don't grow out of air. There is nothing anyone can do about the runaway population problem. It will grow, unchecked, until we ruin this planet. We have a positive feedback system of more food, more people. (Sure, SOME places even show poulation decline, but not the whole system)
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We need to wipe the slate clean, and badly. The western world is stuck in this completely insane democratic/capitalistic social setup that has become so conservative and facist that change for the better now appears to be impossible.
I welcome the end in the hope that we can create something significantly better after the fall, even if most of us won't live to see it.
Also I have to agree with Diego, the only major country on the planet seemingly capable of dealing with the problems we face is China.
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"Chinas high-speed rail system epitomizes the inherent flaws of authoritarian governance, not its strengths.
After a minimum of public discussion and despite contrary expert advice, the nations unelected rulers decided to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a mode of transportation that many, if not most, ordinary Chinese cannot afford to use. As the cash flowed, well-connected officials lined their own pockets. Plan-fulfillment and national prestige took priority over passenger safety as officials muzzled reporters who dared to say otherwise.
...the high-speed rail program operated pretty much as you would expect in a one-party state with a controlled media and no effective checks and balances. The only mystery is why people in the West who should have known better looked at high-speed rail in China and saw a model for the United States instead of an accident waiting to happen."
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The thing is: There is little to no help for the sick/elderly in India - especially in the rural areas. So what strategy is left to them? Naturally they will have more children which can support them when there is need.
Upping the productivity of agricultural production is not going to change that one bit. Until and unless a nation takes care of its people the people will find strategies of their own to survive. For the individual survival comes first - something as abstract as 'concern for the human race' comes a (distant) second.
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Human pops have 3 draconian limitations to growth: famine, disease, and war. This has always been the case. They all threaten civilization with collapse. Luckily, Leaders have long age accepted their Inevitability and have learned to Use them for constructive Purposes.
The great wars and revolutions of the past have been used to destroy obsolete cultural systems which would not end by themselves. Religions themselves were concocted to consolidate vast areas by force.
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Most people can't see the woods for the trees, people not trees in this case. As the population grows we lose freedom. It shouldn't be hard to extrapolate the inevitable result that eventually you have no freedom.
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And we can watch as religions themselves are radicalized and polarized to fuel the conflagration, just as the nationalist cultures throughout Eurasia were first created and then stoked to high intensity.
Then, as now, the world sat on the brink of breathtaking but dangerous new technologies. Consider what life extension and curing cancer and other diseases will do to pop growth. Consider the potential for engineered pandemics, a greater threat than nuclear tech was before ww2.
These Potentials demand that the world be pacified to a greater extent than ever before. This may be about to happen.
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To put it in perspective. If you were to use just 1950s technology in agriculture, today, you would have to use every inch of land from Texas to Florida across the southern states, just to produce enough food.
Science, has dramatically pushed agriculture production, and will continue to do so.
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China has consistently the biggest economic growth per capita in the world during past decade or two. Hundreds of millions were lifted from poverty. There are of course many shortcomings in China (corruption, censorship, human rights issues, pollution and more), but as a whole, it is an example for every undeveloped and developing country showing how things should be done. And their population control program is among the positive influences, IMHO.
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More machines and fewer people is where the world is going. Machines are much more manageable, dependable, and useful. A great deflation is about to occur.
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This means that no matter what you do, pops with traditional reproductive rates will always produce that one generation of starving children whose parents will be up in arms in order to feed.
They will inevitably blame whatever government they live under no matter how benevolent or egalitarian it is. They will inevitably attack those neighbors whom they perceive to be outside their tribe.
Western culture has configured itself to mitigate this relentless Equation. Mainly by enabling family planning and the ONE BILLION ABORTIONS which have taken place in the last century or so. One fifth the worlds pop and their descendants to 3 and 4 gens, have never been born.
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The strategy of outbreeding the other group is not limited to religion (e.g. China has been invaded numerous times but always managed to outbreed - and thereby asimilate - the would-be overlords)
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The most important website you may ever visit:
http://www.johnst....html#SU
-Note in particular the % of pregnancies aborted by country. The US is around 25%, Russia 50%. This is what it takes to make the miracle of yellowdarts agricultural tech work.
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In the past, people had more children because just a few of them survived into adulthood. The population was relatively stable, or growing slowly. Today, with advancements in healthcare and food supply, many more of these children survive into adulthood, but people continue to have lots of children due to cultural inertia. This is called demographic-economic paradox, and it leads to exponential population explosion in undeveloped and developing countries. The results can be catastrophic for such developing nation, with living standards either stagnating, or god forbid regressing back to undeveloped status even worse than before.
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We're screwed
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This is the problem in the first place. Hey-oh!
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Actually, barring illegal immigration becoming far worse, the US is fairly safe from having to make draconian population policies.
A few people mentioned a china style population control, because it was successful. But that is not the main point. The main point is that India is expanding faster than technology can accomodate it, yet india has NO population policies in place - even "Country, lets start using condoms if you can't afford kids"
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@antialias - Your point about people having children to take care of them when they get old - very salient. good point.
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http://www.verticalfarm.com/
No worries.
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Their primary enemy since that time has been those of the next tribe. They too were hunting the same game; it was only natural to turn hunting instincts upon them.
http://rechten.el...RID2.pdf
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-But india is still in the throes of religions locked in reproductive competition as this chart shows:
http://en.wikiped...graphics
-In regions such as Kashmir this reproductive warfare is especially pronounced:
http://en.wikiped...graphics
-And could spark nuclear war.
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Although the extreme population density of the country is still a burden on ability of the land to support the people. India has a higher population density than Japan...
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Abortion rates without data on infanticide is skewed, infanticide is the cheapest type of abortion and is unlikely to be pursued criminally in developing countries.
I can see the advertisements for it now:
Infanticide, the organic choice.
just leave it to nature.
http://en.wikiped...anticide
"In Africa
In spite of the fact that it is illegal, in Benin, West Africa, parents secretly continue with infanticidal customs."
"United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) up to 50 million girls and women are missing in India's population as a result of systematic sex discrimination."
"China has twenty-five million fewer girl children than expected"
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More Indicators of just how dire the threat of overpop is in todays world. This threat grows along with the pace of technology. Imagine 1000s of islamist octomoms...
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Capitalism cannot be controlled by the socialists. It is an emergent system which demonstrates the impotence of the 'progressive'.
Control is the highest priority of the central planners, not prosperity.
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The same changes after ww2 which enabled capitalism and wealth to flourish worldwide, also enabled the international family planning efforts to significantly reduce pop growth.
Read the numbers.
http://www.johnst...310.html
-These were compiled by a baptist.
YOU CANNOT DISPUTE the sheer size of these numbers. Nearly HALF A BILLION EACH in communist china and the soviet union which would long ago collapsed in war and revolution had not this Great Reduction taken place.
You bigots would want to see another world war just so you could make more babies than you can support. Well I fear you will soon get it.
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Customers, competition and nature provide the negative feedback.
'Progressives' won't recognize these feedbacks as they do not need their positive control.
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The desire to corner markets, limit competition, and engage in unnatural practices quickly lead to the breakdown of free markets. This is called ingenuity.
You are naive. Again and again and again. Your dogma has you chained and whipped.
'A sucker born every minute.' Your free markets are every shysters dream.
Like this guy here:
http://www.youtub...ure=fvsr
-Sadly, foiled once again by socialist federation lackeys.
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Like hiring a coercive govt mob?
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"To spread peace and love around the world sometimes you gotta crack a few heads."
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Capitalist coercion under minimal government can and does occur like the Indian Removal Act of 1830. Which was motivated by population growth and capitalist greed resulting in genocide.
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So Red, whose conquered land do you live on?
Do you plan on returning it?
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"Im surprised that you could type with that much of Andrew Jacksons lower half in your hands." - TheR
Hearing language is no different than listening to music.
The subtlety here is the grace note.
If you listen to music and not a single note sounds 'right' to anyone except you, others will continue playing in concert.
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BTW, did you know that Iraq was created by the Great Powers after WWI? I suspect the people who live there have been there for a few thousand years. Except for the Jews that were expelled.
How many times has Iraq been conquered/invaded over the centuries? How many times have the invaders tried to create a govt that represents the people?
How many Iraqi people were killed by the Stalinist regime of Sadam, and were aided and abetted by France, USSR/Russia and others in Europe?
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'Why did you invade Kuwait?' someone asked him. 'Because my army was getting to be a problem.' Standing armies which are not used indeed can become a problem. The people question their necessity and they become a political force, threatening swelling pops and the leadership.
Sadaaam seized power in a Baathist military coup.The realities of maintaining stability as pops chronically overgrow in religionist cultures. There is always oppression and war.
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It's no wonder so many surrendered to the US en masse. They knew they would be well treated.
But they were betrayed when Sadam was allowed to stay in power.
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You side stepped the original accusation of a limited government being corrupted by capitalism and population growth. During Andrew Jacksons presidency who I expect you would be a great supporter of.
My analogy of the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and the Second Gulf War. May not have been the best choice since it is still a topic of heavy debate and its not over yet.
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Govts seek more power and need wealth to support that power. The Jackson govt was not corrupted. It was doing what is in its nature to do, acquire more power. Which is what the 'progressives' pushed in the USA in the early 1900s leading to the pending collapse of world economies.
Historically, govts have invaded and conquered. That is their nature.
So Red, whose conquered land do you live upon? Does it make you feel guilty?
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The US invaded Iraq for their oil just like Iraq invade Kuwait for oil. Rapid population growth has put a large strain on energy providing countries resulting in wars. If US foreign policy was so concerned over the loss of life we would have intervened in the Congo.
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AS GHWB stated, many times, it was for the free flow of oil at market prices, which is in the best interest for everyone in the world who uses oil.
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I presented a case where limited government was corrupted by capitalist interest that was my intent. The type of system that you want the US to revert to was corruptible as all governments are. But living in the late 1800s is not the answer.
I was born in the US does that make me a hypocrite no you took the propose of the statement out of context or you didnt get it in the first place. Does it make me feel guilt LOL no my family came to the US because Hitler was killing 6 million of my people.
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Oxymoron Ahoy!
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It takes two to tango.
Govt IS the power and bears any responsibility for its corruption.
Iraq is on one country in the region the sells oil which is shipped to the world through the Persian Gulf.
A dictator that can control flow of oil from Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other countries disrupts the free flow of oil at market prices.
How much oil has the US taken, not purchased, taken from Iraq?
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Theres a ethical paradox in that statement.
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How much Iraqi oil has the USA taken from Iraq?
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It depends on how much a life is worth to you. Your argument is a Moral absolute based on your perception of the events. This takes us back to the analogy of the Indian removal act and the Iraq war. How much was the Indians land worth did we really steal it from them after all we gave them horses.
American exceptionalism, Manifest Destiny, Bush Doctrine.
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If you feel so guilty about what happened to the Indians, drop by an Indian casino and pay them back.
And your argument is not?
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I dont feel guilty for what happened to the Native Americans. But returning to a system that again and again has resulted in imperialistic accusation of land by the US. Is disrespectful to Native Americans.
No its not I dont use moral absolutism I tend to use Pragmatic ethics.
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Millions have been murdered based upon such 'ethics'.
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Then why are you critical of attacking Iraq? It was pragmatic.
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Plenty more being conscripted into al quaeda and guerilla militias throughout africa; soon to die in firefights. Not much time for innovative thinking. Either starve or fight - little imagination required.
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THIS is what you mean by self-limiting??
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Same for people that use moral absolutes except they become hypocrites when they do it which happens frequently.
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BS my ideology can be revised. My post made sense US foreign policy has contradictions perhaps it wasnt gracefully I will give you that.
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You think this a virtue?
Revised to what?
Red, were making money on the corrupt oil for food program? That was certainly pragmatic.
The Operation was not a mistake. It's execution has been the mistake.
The US had defeated the North Vietnamese in 1967. The Tet Offensive was a last ditch effort that failed militarily and succeeded politically.
More blood on the hands of the baby boomers as Pol Pot came to power and millions had to flee Vietnam. Quite pragmatic!
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As to current Operations in the Mideast, one need only imagine what the region would look like had we not compartmentalized it. The caliphate would be upon us - one empire from Palestine to Pakistan. With nukes.
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Really? At least it recognizes the failure of socialism.
http://www.herita.../Vietnam
Even Cuba is starting to 'get it'.
"Cuba's party congress agrees to allow private property"
http://www.bbc.co...13125104
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Indeed pops had to be, and were, reduced; directly by death or forced migration, and indirectly by continuous stress, cultural obliteration, farmland ruin, etc.
Tet was staged by fomenting US riots which gave the VC the mistaken idea they could win. Fonda was instrumental in this. The VC subsequently gleefully threw themselves onto the wire and were slaughtered in great piles. Constructive attrition. Tet broke their back.
When the baton was passed to the NVA they had little left to pacify. They could turn their attention to the kmer rouge.
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It's funny - socialism promises the same things democracy does - freedom, equality, pursuit of happiness etc. Today's socialist countries offer the same general mix of democracy and socialism as the US, more or less. So it's only you nitpickers who choose to make some primary distinction when the only differences are in degrees.
In other words you and many many others are rubes. IMHO.
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You seem to mistake the whole world for Somalia and Africa. These are very specific places with their particularities which do not apply to the whole world. Somalia is a semi-desert country with a volatile political system, while sub-saharan Africa looses a lot to political and tribal fights. The rest of the world is not like that. It does not have to "starve and fight". But societies have to have lots of youngsters in order to find new solutions and go further. That is nature's way.
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We have a self-limiting culture, each one goes for his own, tends to care less for the others, accumulates things that are not always essential like big houses, cars, TVs and all kinds of gadgets and appliances. They are not useless, but sometimes it is worthy of thinking what will remain after us when we are no more and do something for there to remain some things of quality. What I'm saying is that we become complacent and the human civilisation does not advance much, it becomes stagnant. The young ones would not settle for that and if they are numerous enough and motivated they could make the world go further.
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Pragmatic ethics allows for the practice of virtue ethics within its frame work. It is a misconception that only people with moral absolutes have virtues. When I find myself in a morale paradox I seek to rectify that the paradox using a scientific process.
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Isn't that special!
But you still must have an absolute good and absolute evil for a reference do you not?
If not, then there is nothing wrong with intentionally harvesting aborted babies for their stem cells. You could even pay the incubators for their services.
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If you use moral absolutes according to your past post on Iraq all murders are justifiable. You just cover these contradictions up with defence mechanisms. Or you are currently using pragmatic ethics which is very hypocritical.
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When is murder justifiable?
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Most people dont think about these things for themselves, tough, and just blindly accept what society or some ideological bracket prescribes for them.
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Define murder first, because different people often have different definitions for it.
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So you do use a combination of moral absolutes and Pragmatic ethics. Your defence mechanism is manifesting Narcissistic defences and Splitting.
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Morals are BIOLOGICAL. They are based on the tribal dynamic of internal altruism in conjunction with external animosity. It is just as moral to kill the enemies of your tribe as it is immoral to kill members of your own tribe.
As god came from man, so also do morals come from man.
http://rechten.el...RID2.pdf
-For instance the actions of the mad norwegian are wholly understandable from this perspective. He had come to identify strongly with a tribe foreign to the one surrounding him. He viewed this real society as a critical threat to his new group, and therefore sought to destroy it.
cont
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The idea that one single religion could ever unite the world, is ludicrous.
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I was asking you a question. You insinuated killing is murder. Is that what you believe?
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My view of the deaths that occurred at the hands of American solders. During Operation Iraqi Freedom qualify as murder. Obviously you view it as sanctioned killing. Im unable to broadly answer your question as it is subject to scientific realism.
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As female education rises, birth rates decrease. As knowledge grows in an individual, reason and moderation follow. These, of course, are generalities and take time. For the first time on this planet, it won't have to wait for multiple generations.
The Internet will be our savior. It will finally show enough of us that we are all one tribe. Those that refuse to accept this truth will be eliminated, in many ways. We've hijacked evolution since we've been able. This is merely a logical continuation.
Aug 01, 2011
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Just wondering if you accused the Stalinist Saddam Husein of murder for not buying food with the oil he sold, or the French and others who aided and abetted the corrupt oil for food program?
And if you are really Jewish, how do you support and defend Muslims who murder Jews?
Killing those who would murder others or have committed murder is not murder.
Aug 01, 2011
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Yes. Yes. We must blame the duped for the action of a SINGULAR PERSON. Yes. When discussing the morality of A SINGLE DECISION, we ought consider the NON ACTION of a group INCAPABLE of affecting the decision. Your bias could not be better exemplified.
How do you know "WHO would murder others?" Justify that total bullshit.
IMO, this perfectly boils down the liberal/conservative dichotomy. Most conservatives believe we are inherently flawed and incapable of self-improvement. Most liberals believe we can ALL be rehabilitated. Both are delusional.
Aug 02, 2011
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I see you belong to a group called the "Illiterati."
Aug 02, 2011
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"Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem." Joseph Stalin
Aug 02, 2011
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Pushing Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait was absolutely necessary but mistakes where made. Both sides are to blame for those deaths but Saddam bares most of the blame.
Jews kill, Muslims kill, Christians kill, everybody kills hooray!
Aug 02, 2011
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You are half right.
Aug 02, 2011
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You half communicate. Which part?
I anxiously await your irrelevant or self-defeating quote mine.....
Aug 02, 2011
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Next question - how do you feel about the Red Guards murdering their own teachers on stage during school assemblies? Just curious.You are correct this is oversimplification. Moslem women are well educated as to their proper place in society and to the evils that western education pose. Their education emphasizes the need to churn out babies for allah.
Red Guards were well educated also as to the decadence of western mores.
Thrasymaccous is well educated as to the vital importance of classic philosophy to the future of civilization. I do not know how this has affected his ability to conceive, or the relative causal relationship between either. Or. One can only speculate.
Aug 02, 2011
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Sadammm pursued enlightened Campaigns of growth restriction which included draining the swamps infested with marsh arabs, chem warfare against kurds, and a very clever 11yr shiite/shiite war against iran which did little besides reducing pops by about 2M and stressing the remainder.
He further continued by justifying western sanctions against his country, which only ever affect the people and their ability to propagate; and by inviting ruination upon his forces TWICE.
One might conclude from these Actions that his Service was undeniably to the western concerns who had INSTALLED him there to BEGIN with. Those concerns ostensibly being GBR and France.
Aug 02, 2011
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Its not posturing if it is how I live my life with respect and reverence for all sentient and non-sentient beings. Not to say that I resemble Gandhi or Martin Luther King but I adhere to the belief that violence breeds violence.
Aug 02, 2011
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Martyrs. They do not last very long in the wild.
'If you go carryin pictures of chairman mao...' etc
Aug 02, 2011
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Then you would not defend yourself from a violent attack? You might have to commit a violent act to save your life or the life of a family member.
What a dilemma!
Aug 02, 2011
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I have respect for all sentient and non-sentient beings I include my self in that category. Iraqs problems will not be solved with violence.
Aug 02, 2011
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Neither does the warrior class.
Aug 02, 2011
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You're a student perhaps? Taliban means 'students' - something like that. Red Guards were students. They're the easiest group to manipulate. So ... EAGER to CHANGE things. Matters little from what to what. They prefer being told this.
Or perhaps you just never grew up?
The Pleistocene left us with only 2 classes - the warriors and the officers. Warriors decrepitated from working the fields and eating the grass they grew.
The Officers only got Better at what They did.
Aug 03, 2011
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Then you would not defend yourself or your family if attacked by either sentient or non-sentient beings.
Aug 03, 2011
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Im a atheist who advocates non violence I see no reason for conflict between are views.
Aug 03, 2011
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I have the right to life just as any other creature I dont believe that I would be able to control that primitive of instinct. like I said Im no Gandhi.
Aug 03, 2011
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Progress.
So you would commit violence to defend yourself. What is primitive about using violence to defend one's right to life?
Aug 03, 2011
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That depends on whether you consider 'thinking as an individual' more primitive than 'thinking as a species'.
Aug 03, 2011
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Who seriously thinks as a species?
Aug 03, 2011
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In some countries group-think is very common (many parts of Asia, India, ... ). Some individuals even blow themselves up 'for the good of the group'. Not that that demonstrates particularly un-primitive thinking.
Just saying: Putting the group before the individual isn't a style of thought that is entirely uncommon on this planet.
Now, whether that is more primitive or not is another debate (or whether the problems in many of the group-think systems are due to group-think - or whether all the problems in individualistic societies are due to individualism, for that matter).
One thing seems certain, though: A species where the individuals take a 'species first' approach is, in the long run, more likely to survive than one where the individuals act on a 'me first' basis.
Aug 03, 2011
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Why?
The 'species' first approach enables the murder by the 'society' to 'save' the species. Logan's Run, for example.
Respecting every individual's right to life mitigates such tyranny.
Aug 03, 2011
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If Israelis are forced to tear down illegal settlements on palestinian-owned land does this mean US citizens will need to move out of Boston?
I'm confused. Perhaps if you sourced your spaghetti instead of cooking it up yourself it would help?
Aug 03, 2011
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Let me point something out to you dear sir. The efficacy of what you say depends little upon how well you say it, or how well you THINK you say it.
Aug 03, 2011
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This coming from the guy who said:
smh Still waiting on your justification for that one.....
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Well, the species survives. In a 'me first' approach it is possible that an individual would make a decision that favors himself in the short run but dooms the species in the long run. Such a decision would be impossible in a 'species first' type of society.
Not saying that we should endorse the latter. I think a healthy mix should be applied (since a pure 'species first' approach could lead to a species that survives indefinitely in a state of abject misery).
Aug 03, 2011
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No, it's called ignorantly judging thought crime and claiming clairvoyance. Ever heard of "innocent until PROVEN guilty?" Or, are you limiting your "killing morality" to war zones where due process isn't applicable?
Why can't you simply say that you were slightly wrong? We all make mistakes. It's ok. You'd receive a lot more respect with a little humility. Your convoluted butt-covering is pathetically transparent.
Aug 03, 2011
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What stops anyone from acknowledging the species as one's tribe?
Is there a natural limit to the size of a tribe? And if so: what is it and why?
Currenly we face global dangers so we are reliant on the protection of everyone - and the entire global population can be a source of 'most desirable' genetic material.
E.g.: There's more than a few guys out there who dig asian chicks.
Aug 03, 2011
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This is just my opinion, but I think we have spheres -family closest friends of 10 to 20 - 'local tribal unit' our aquaintances and regular friends of a few hundred, and progressively less personal affiliations of larger and larger groups.
Aug 03, 2011
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I agree tha this is not inherently bad, but _inherently_ necessary? Why?
In this day and age where you communicate with acquaintances a continent away as easily as with the person next door (and most of us probably more frequently with the former than with the latter) I see no real point in keeping that bias around just because someone belongs to some other (e.g. ethnic) group.
There is a tribal element in our history, no doubt, but I think it's rapidly losing its meaning.
Aug 03, 2011
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Sounds like Pre-Crime to me?
Aug 03, 2011
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How well DO they work together?
Aug 03, 2011
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Sorry. I was a little drunk when I put this together. I'm usually much better at avoiding online forums in that state of mind. There wasn't a whole lot of substance or detail there.
Aug 04, 2011
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If you look at pictures of the damage before the Kobe earthquake and the same sites a year later then you might be in for a shock.
These guys are good.
Compare that to disaster arease anywhere else in the world and you will see the power of group action vs. uncoordinated/individualistic action.