Genetic research confirms that non-Africans are part Neanderthal

July 18, 2011

Some of the human X chromosome originates from Neanderthals and is found exclusively in people outside Africa, according to an international team of researchers led by Damian Labuda of the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Montreal and the CHU Sainte-Justine Research Center. The research was published in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution.

"This confirms recent findings suggesting that the two populations interbred," says Dr. Labuda. His team places the timing of such intimate contacts and/or family ties early on, probably at the crossroads of the Middle East.

Neanderthals, whose left Africa about 400,000 to 800,000 years ago, evolved in what is now mainly France, Spain, Germany and Russia, and are thought to have lived until about 30,000 years ago. Meanwhile, early modern humans left Africa about 80,000 to 50,000 years ago. The question on everyone's mind has always been whether the physically stronger Neanderthals, who possessed the gene for language and may have played the flute, were a separate species or could have interbred with modern humans. The answer is yes, the two lived in close association.

"In addition, because our methods were totally independent of Neanderthal material, we can also conclude that previous results were not influenced by contaminating ," adds Dr. Labuda.

Dr. Labuda and his team almost a decade ago had identified a piece of DNA (called a haplotype) in the human that seemed different and whose origins they questioned. When the was sequenced in 2010, they quickly compared 6000 from all parts of the world to the Neanderthal haplotype. The Neanderthal sequence was present in peoples across all continents, except for sub-Saharan Africa, and including Australia.

"There is little doubt that this haplotype is present because of mating with our ancestors and . This is a very nice result, and further analysis may help determine more details," says Dr. Nick Patterson, of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University, a major researcher in human ancestry who was not involved in this study.

"Dr. Labuda and his colleagues were the first to identify a genetic variation in non-Africans that was likely to have come from an archaic population. This was done entirely without the Neanderthal genome sequence, but in light of the Neanderthal sequence, it is now clear that they were absolutely right!" adds Dr. David Reich, a Harvard Medical School geneticist, one of the principal researchers in the Neanderthal genome project.

So, speculates Dr. Labuda, did these exchanges contribute to our success across the world? "Variability is very important for long-term survival of a species," says Dr. Labuda. "Every addition to the genome can be enriching." An interesting match, indeed.

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Bob_Kob
Jul 18, 2011

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Recent studies also showed that neanderthals were very intelligent, unlike they have been previously depicted. Explains a lot though...
FrankHerbert
Jul 18, 2011

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Explains a lot though...


We're gonna start this shit already, huh?
Osiris1
Jul 18, 2011

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Now we know where republikans came from....real knuckle draggers. No wonder they do not like change, and do not take kindly to people of color. On a lighter note. I do not think that Asian peoples contain Neanderthaler genes. Asians are relatively hairless, and Neanderthalers very hairy. Asians are fine structure boned, just the opposite of Neanderthalers. And Asians did not seem to wander about the world, but their population is relatively concentrated in East Asia, as if they were planted there long ago, or the genes of locals were manipulated somehow in the remote past by some outside genetic tech. Might I add that Asians are more intelligent than the average human to this day. BTW....I am one of the 'Neanderthalers'. More to the case of a long ago Alien enterprise in present day Sinkiang in the remote past...about thousand years ago.
Osiris1
Jul 18, 2011

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twelve thousand years ago, not one thousand years ago
210
Jul 18, 2011

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Explains a lot though...


We're gonna start this shit already, huh?

Frankie...what's wrong? Honestly, let's rap.
210
Jul 18, 2011

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Might I add that Asians are more intelligent than the average human to this day. BTW....I am one of the 'Neanderthalers'. More to the case of a long ago Alien enterprise in present day Sinkiang in the remote past...about thousand years ago.

Asians..more intelligent? Iran is in Asia. Has anyone got IQ stats on the average Iranian? Palestine and Israel is in Asia. They have been fighting a family blood feud for over 3500 years, due to advanced intelligence?! There are over a billion people in China; Because they are mentally superior? NOPE, because a colonizing power enforced order-no war-after several Chinese dynasties imposed their will all while building a China that would annex and bleed Tibet and threaten Taiwan. And with all this superior mind power the main thing keeping Taiwan free are NON-ASIANS in North America. If Chinese-Asians are so smart, I say, they can all VOTE and they want to-Tiananmen Square speaks for itself!
word-to-ya-muthas
210
Jul 18, 2011

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Recent studies also showed that neanderthals were very intelligent, unlike they have been previously depicted. Explains a lot though...

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Bob...Bob, for centuries these Neanderthals had that caveman and bear skin image...you're saying that wasn't fair and NOW our friend 'Bob' wants us to know that they had very advanced intellects and all.
Hey Bob...just wonderin'...askin' a friendly question...where ya from Bob?
I mean, we all have challenges to overcome in life and NOBODY, NOBODY chose the bodies that they are in...we did NOT choose them, did not make them, AND WE CANT KEEP EM!
So hey...dont be ashamed of ones heritage. So...'What About Bob?' Hey wasn't that a movie title?
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antialias_physorg
Jul 18, 2011

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Asians..more intelligent? Iran is in Asia. Has anyone got IQ stats on the average Iranian? Palestine and Israel is in Asia.

At the very least asian students consistently outperform European and American students. and I do remember a study in which the average Israeli scored particularly well on intelligence test.

That said: Waging wars isn't about intelligence but about empathy. And in the prospect politicians the world over are sorely lacking.

If Chinese-Asians are so smart, I say, they can all VOTE and they want to-Tiananmen Square speaks for itself!

What has that got to do with intelligence? Consider South and North Korea. Basically the same genetic heritage and - presumably - under the same nurture conditions the same level of intelligence. One lives in democracy the other does not. Wanting a democracy can often be denied by enough bullets. this has nothing to do with intelligence.

word-to-ya-muthas

That explains a lot...
210
Jul 18, 2011

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Asians..more intelligent? Iran is in Asia. Has anyone got IQ stats on the average Iranian? Palestine and Israel is in Asia.

At the very least asian students consistently outperform European and American students. and I do remember a study in which the average Israeli scored particularly well on intelligence test.

Asian students? Pakistan is in Asia, so is Afghanistan and parts of Russia/siberia, also Mongolia test scores from these nations are REAL hard to come by. I lived in Hong Kong... AND THE TEST SCORES VARIED with the quality of education and competition, just like any western education system. My argument stands; there is NO inherent superiority amongst asians but excellence amongst and amid ALL. Any and all Asians, all 5 Billion of you LINE UP and meet me at a chessboard and I JUST CAN'T WAIT to meet ya!
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210
Jul 18, 2011

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That said: Waging wars isn't about intelligence but about empathy. And in the prospect politicians the world over are sorely lacking.

If Chinese-Asians are so smart, I say, they can all VOTE and they want to-Tiananmen Square speaks for itself!

What has that got to do with intelligence? Consider South and North Korea. Basically the same genetic heritage and - presumably - under the same nurture conditions the same level of intelligence. One lives in democracy the other does not. Wanting a democracy can often be denied by enough bullets. this has nothing to do with intelligence.
Intelligence: YOU think North Koreans growing up in a closed society, no space program, can't afford advanced medicine, no internet of any kind and every publication they see screened for subversive doctrine, and darn near no food for over four generations is the same and produces the same kind of intellects as uber-productive South Korea? Nature/genes cannot fix Kim Jung Ill's country!
antialias_physorg
Jul 18, 2011

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I lived in Hong Kong... AND THE TEST SCORES VARIED with the quality of education and competition,

I can only draw from the standards I saw at US schools (having lived there for two years). There was a very obvious layered structure in the statistics for the honors students: At the top students from Asia, then those from Europe, then American, then Hispanics.

This impression seems to be corroborated by the PISA study
http://en.wikiped...sessment
Here it seems quite clear who holds the top spots in Math, science and reading comprehension (There's also the TIMMS study in which the US did a bit better - mainly because many of the top performing countries of the PISA study didnt participate)
210
Jul 18, 2011

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@Osiris1

You have indicated that some aliens from space, those trusty aliens, engineered your/asian intellects...made you/asians SUPERIOR. Just so that we are clear, just what would a superior human look like? A few generations ago, a guy named Hitler said he knew! The world fought him, so did Americans. Then Americans went home and PRACTICED THE SAME RACE HATRED that the Nazis's died for!! How twisted! Japanese R Asian and Oriental and after they kicked the europeans out they butchered the Chinese! FACTS raw data would have should have told them what empathy didnot; We might fight the evil of other men, but we cannot practice their evil without becoming the thing we say we hate - what makes us any different than what we say THEY are, huh?! Nobody wants to be just 'ordinary' a brief nameless life that bears no fame or glory. But we humans, just CAN'T get along or B happy unless someone is 'less' than we R! So, Osiris1, go get all your super Asians, family, you, meet me @ a chessboard!
TheRedComet
Jul 18, 2011

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Osiris1 must have OD on Alex Collier back in the 1990s.
Shakescene21
Jul 18, 2011

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The study says that this Neanderthal gene sequence was found in ALL Non-African populations -- not just Europeans, but also Asians, native Americans, and Australians. However, this Neanderthal DNA is a very small part of our total DNA. I have read elsewhere that Neanderthal DNA accounts for only 1 to 3 percent of the total DNA of non-Africans.
210
Jul 18, 2011

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I lived in Hong Kong... AND THE TEST SCORES VARIED with the quality of education and competition,

I can only draw from the standards I saw at US schools (having lived there for two years). )

Two years...TWO YEARS! Anti - American society is not ethnically monolithic. Poor schools are poor, financially because they are in poor neighborhoods. Theres no profit-sharing. The education dollar N poor neighborhood just manages 2 keep D doors open not buy better programming/hot meals. It becomes a very vicious cycle that D children become victim to & D wealthy R oblivious to. D children of wealth just don't know D power of their advantage & they think like OSIRIS1, that they mus B superior cause they R doing better; better books, MORE teachers and tutors, even PRIVATE tutors & hi speed internet; BUT reverse that, wealthy minorities have a better education experience.Asians R NOT superior, their systems R more focused. Any able child would flourish in THIS, genius abounds...
antialias_physorg
Jul 18, 2011

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Sooooo...let me get this straight:

In one post you are claiming that people living under bad influence (bad education, blahblahblah ) will become genetically inferior while in the VERY NEXT post you claim that people are smater if they only had a not-so-broken education system?

Do you even listen to yourself?

Make up your mind.
lengould100
Jul 18, 2011

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Just reading the history of (for example) Sweden. What stupidity, wars for the kings crown every five or ten years throughout recorded history. No other group of people any different. If this is "highly intelligent" then we're doomed.

I mean, I can see the contender and a few of his hench being willing to fight, but why the average serf. No brains whatever, and still the same.
210
Jul 18, 2011

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Sooooo...let me get this straight:
In one post you are claiming that people living under bad influence (bad education, blahblahblah ) will become genetically inferior while in the VERY NEXT post you claim that people are smater if they only had a not-so-broken education system?
Do you even listen to yourself?
Make up your mind.

Yes, 'anti'...if the system IS broken a child does poorly. If a system is "not-so-broken" they do a bit better. Yes, YOU get an 'A' you read me correctly and then slipped backed into your pissing mood and shot yourself in the foot.
You cannot build a Kim Jung Ill household and expect Einstein to come out EVEN though sometimes, no matter how bad a system is, greatness, that raw genius, just cannot be throttled. In a less focused system disparity occurs and the 'average' child suffers where they would have managed. There is NO superiority built into Asians, there is greatness, at hand, for every child ESPECIALLY if we treat them that way!
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Alex_Hoffmann
Jul 18, 2011

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Okay, seriously I have heard enough of racist crap about everyone being dumb but Asians. First of all, when you are talking about Asians, don't just refer to the Chinese or East Asians, know that Israel, India and Russia are also in Asia. And I admit that a lot of the people in "East Asia", mainly Japan, China and South Korea have a much higher IQ average than that of Americans, Europeans and etc. However, let me tell you, that "IQ" is not where it ends. Those "IQ" tests only measure your logical skills which can be build up through studying and dedication. In Europe and America and in West Asian and South Asian countries, there is emphasis on "IQ", but not as much as compared to the East Asian countries. However, the part where it gets interesting is that Western countries and West Asian countries and some South Asian countries put a higher emphasis on the theory of "Multiple intelligences". In the western countries, students don't just sit in their houses and study math all day!
Alex_Hoffmann
Jul 18, 2011

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What would happen if the end of the world comes? You wouldn't just need calculators my friend, you would also need a body to fight the dangers and you would need a good overall personality. And that being said, there are a lot of Math geniuses in America and Europe and South Asia as well. Note: Einstein, Newton, etc etc were not East Asian.

And also, keep in mind, I am not trying to say that East Asians are stupid or anything, they are very smart people. But I am just saying that don't make stereotypes such against Americans or other nations thinking that they are all dumb or something. Be respectful to each other! We are all in the same boat here despite of the ethnicity or race!
Nik_2213
Jul 18, 2011

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At the risk of drifting even further off-topic, I'd suggest that too many 'education systems', in their bid to 'raise the average', concentrate so much on testing a minimal curriculum, that they quench enthusiasm and individual thinking...
antialias_physorg
Jul 18, 2011

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There is NO superiority built into Asians, there is greatness

As with everything IQ is a nature AND nurture thing.

What I stated was:
"Asians outperform the rest of the world in standardized tests."

Nowhere did I mention that this was due to genetic superiority. That someone can be bred to be genetically/intellectually inferior was YOUR statement (as regarding North Korea) - not mine.

I simply noted that this seems to be reflected in the honors roll. My private suspicion is that this is due to the different attitudes of Asians, Europeans and Americans when it comes to education.
Objectivist
Jul 18, 2011

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I simply noted that this seems to be reflected in the honors roll. My private suspicion is that this is due to the different attitudes of Asians, Europeans and Americans when it comes to education.
Although I'm pretty sure in most cases it's not about "the noble pursuit of knowledge," but rather a matter of social status. Just like everywhere else in the world.
antialias_physorg
Jul 18, 2011

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It might be as simple as ubringing. Where I come from it was just normal to NOT party the day before a test but to spend hat day studying for it. From what I gatherd from my American co-students most of them expected to pass simply because they had been present in the lectures and 'the teacher was supposed to have taught them' (and then were utterly surprised when they failed).
Asian friends would study and study until they got 100% of the material down and _understood_ before going into a test.

School certainly isn't about the noble pursuit of knowledge for _any_ kid (nor about social status). It's about passing tests.

We only find out later that that helped us a whole lot and that knowledge and understanding has value which is (and was) worth the effort.
frajo
Jul 18, 2011

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School certainly isn't about the noble pursuit of knowledge for _any_ kid (nor about social status). It's about passing tests.

If that's supposed to be a universal statement (there's no kid who visits school for the pursuit of widening her/his knowledge) then you are wrong.
Poor pupils whose social contacts are severed (by whatever) do sometimes find their ultimate reward in amassing knowledge. Their best friends are books. They are not afraid of tests as tests are a pleasing variety for them.
Of course, in a world of TV and internet, this species is becoming increasingly rare.
antialias_physorg
Jul 18, 2011

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I don't know. Those must be very rare cases because I certainly haven't met any of those at school (and even at university, where people have come to understand that knowledge is something pleasant I have met no one who was thrilled to take exams)
210
Jul 18, 2011

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There is NO superiority built into Asians, there is greatness

As with everything IQ is a nature AND nurture thing.
What I stated was:
"Asians outperform the rest of the world in standardized tests."
That someone can be bred to be genetically/intellectually inferior was YOUR statement (as regarding North Korea)
I simply noted that this seems to be reflected in the honors roll. My private suspicion is that this is due to the different attitudes of Asians, Europeans and Americans when it comes to education.[/q
And I was answering and referring to OSIRIS1 comments AND yours, so, if the shoe fits, and ONLY if it fits, wear it. If it ain't you, shine it on! No ONE can create a crippled, antagonistic, closed, nonprogressive culture and expect the VERY BEST OF HUMANITY -children- to flourish in it. If the NAZIS, the worst of modern culture HAD embraced their jewish and Gypsy peoples, they would have inherently been a better people and have won WWII!
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210
Jul 18, 2011

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I don't know. Those must be very rare cases because I certainly haven't met any of those at school (and even at university, where people have come to understand that knowledge is something pleasant I have met no one who was thrilled to take exams)

I have had students who go to gym and physical education exercises, in the mud on the soccer field, with their CHEMISTRY notebooks under their T-Shirts!!! They are NOT Asian or Oriental. They have climbed out of the ruins of New Orleans 7th Ward and from the hard life they knew in the Bronx and they LOVE the excitement of stimulating brain cells and competing with the vast number of ASIAN AND ORIENTALS who come to school here! They LOVE school and they LOVE THE COMPETITION AND I BLOODY WELL ENCOURAGE IT!!!!! They are poor but they will not use that as an excuse and they will NOT be pimps, hoes, drug dealers or welfare moms, if I have ANYTHING to say about it!! They WILL be human and GREAT @ wha they do...
Tell-ya-mom-I-said-it!
210
Jul 18, 2011

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I simply noted that this seems to be reflected in the honors roll. My private suspicion is that this is due to the different attitudes of Asians, Europeans and Americans when it comes to education.

Different cultures bring a different perspective, culture almost means "perspective."
America is perceived and always has meant, a well-to-do-perspective and one can expect that it will in the future, yes, yes. But America had to rebuild Europe (Marshal Plan) and THERE WAS NO MARSHALL PLAN FOR CHINA AND JAPAN, VIETNAM OR SOUTH KOREA. They have been running the long race and catching up since WWII. Further, sheer population skews test results: China graduates more engineers than all the people who enter college in the US! BUT, but, there is no inherently SUPERIOR Asian gene evident in their humanity! There is greater focus in their education systems and a heckuva lot fewer liberal arts majors - relatively. Pres. Obama has revamped ed. and its funding we'll see.
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TheGhostofOtto1923
Jul 18, 2011

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Asians...MONGOLOIDS are asians. Sheesh.
Wurd up-

-As neandertals were better adapted to temperate conditions, biologically they may have been seen as favorable mates for producing better-adapted offspring. Biologically-speaking that is. There may just be unconscious motivators for selecting mates based on the chance that offspring might fare better in new environments.

Over hundreds of gens neandertal morphology and metabolism had been selected for cooler climates. Their mating may have even become seasonal. Tropical pioneer groups would have had an easy way of incorporating these adaptations instead of developing them themselves. This selection mechanism may be genetic.

It may have also been the source of considerable neandertal animosity toward tropical interlopers, as the offspring of such pairings would be less well-adapted and less apt to survive.

This may have something to do with racial tensions in todays world. Unfortunate but from a biological standpoint, understandable.
Shelgeyr
Jul 18, 2011

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It is rare that I agree with FrankHerbert, but 5 stars today buddy.

THIS white knuckle-dragger doesn't care about anyone's ethnicity. Seriously, genetic heritage doesn't mean a thing to me. I'd say it "pales in significance" compared to behavior, except that someone would misunderstand, so instead I'll phrase it as "actions are what matter". It isn't what color, shape, or gender you are that matters. It is what you DO.

On aggregate I'm talking "culture". "Culturalist" isn't a bad name like "racist", and I'll make no apologies about preferring my own culture, nor get my feathers ruffled if someone prefers theirs. I'm not saying "all cultures are equal". But just because I think some cultures are an abomination doesn't mean a thing about the physical heritage of the people in those cultures.

Historical genetic research doesn't support political advocacy for either the left or right, and I'd hope the researchers would be offended if their study was used to support racism.
drel
Jul 18, 2011

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People are stupid. For proof I offer the comments on this article. Including this one... Idiots!
TheGhostofOtto1923
Jul 18, 2011

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Asians...MONGOLOIDS are asians. Sheesh.
Wurd up-
Uh for the humorifically challenged, this was a joke. A funny one.
StandingBear
Jul 18, 2011

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ref '210'....I said smart, not judgement. An old Chinese proverb says that the way to defeat a more intelligent enemy is to make him not think!...Lao Tzu. I was referring to people in southeast Asia, as in the modernist cultures in Viet-Nam, Thailand, south China, certain fine boned Japanese ethnics--any peoples with large eyes, almost no body hair, fine delicate bones, high intelligence, some gaps in earthbound practicalities. These could almost look similar to the greys that have been historically encountered. Bio-engineers of any sentient species will probably chauvinistically or ignorantly look to themselves as fountains of genetic pinacles of perfection when trying to re-engineer exobiologic sentients with an eye to improving them through cross breeding. I is a 'difficult' task to engineer from scratch all the biogenetic chromosomal and gene programming from scratch. We have probably had this done more than once by different visitor species. Asians are only one!0
StandingBear
Jul 18, 2011

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Weee know why those folks go to play soccer with notebooks under their tee shirts. Ever get kicked in the chest in a game wearing only a tee shirt. Kinda like junior and little sooozi putting books in thier pants when expectin to get 'spanked'
210
Jul 18, 2011

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Weee know why those folks go to play soccer with notebooks under their tee shirts. Ever get kicked in the chest in a game wearing only a tee shirt. Kinda like junior and little sooozi putting books in thier pants when expectin to get 'spanked'

No...they did it because they could not all play on the field at the same time! So while on the sidelines, they would break out study materials from their favorite subjects.
I have to admit, our science department had to have had some of the most exciting professors and some of their final science projects WOULD EXCITE THE ENTIRE CAMPUS! I remember one I think it was called the fireworks autolauncher: 22 minutes of pyrotechnic display without more than a three-second gap between explosions ALL MADE FROM GARBAGE/TRASH/SCRAP METAL! I really like the one where they melted down that car with the iron and aluminum mixture straight into the mold of a statue. Some of those kids...R Martians or Vulcan (or both, Marcans).
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Shootist
Jul 19, 2011

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Someone mentioned society making it difficult for an Einstein to appear.

wurd up; Einstein was born, raised, educated and worked in a far more Racist environment (to HIM) than anything anyone in the West has experienced since that time. Einstein survived. Six million did not.
FrankHerbert
Jul 19, 2011

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Actually Einstein bailed before things started to get REALLY bad (he wasn't involved in the holocaust obviously) so what he experienced is probably pretty comparable to the Jim Crow south.
210
Jul 19, 2011

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Someone mentioned society making it difficult for an Einstein to appear.

wurd up; Einstein was born, raised, educated and worked in a far more Racist environment (to HIM) than anything anyone in the West has experienced since that time. Einstein survived. Six million did not.

I ALSO SAID, "You cannot build a Kim Jung Ill household and expect Einstein to come out EVEN though sometimes, no matter how bad a system is, greatness, that raw genius, just cannot be throttled." I stand by that statement of a day or two ago and yes, it is probable that despite its vast cosmopolitan/multiculturalism, a desperate Germany, fighting through a depression and paying megatons of reparations may have witnessed a poisoned element of racism in its midst. The point some political element SHOULD have made at the time is that even though the Jews do tend to 'stay to themselves' they are bearing their fair share of the pain and sorrow of Germany. Germans HAD BEEN culturally tolerant moderates.
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TheGhostofOtto1923
Jul 19, 2011

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I stand by that statement of a day or two ago and yes, it is probable that despite its vast cosmopolitan/multiculturalism, a desperate Germany, fighting through a depression and paying megatons of reparations may have witnessed a poisoned element of racism in its midst. The point some political element SHOULD have made at the time is that even though the Jews do tend to 'stay to themselves' they are bearing their fair share of the pain and sorrow of Germany. Germans HAD BEEN culturally tolerant moderates.
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You are hopelessly generalizing and therefore exhibiting a type of racism yourself. The germanic myth is easily discounted by considering that most euros are germanic... including the Rus'-descended russians.
http://en.wikiped...(people)

-For that matter the 'jewish race' is also a recent sociopolitical construct:
http://www.youtub...vANgw9Mk

-Meant to legitimize a zionist israel; that is, a western bridgehead and a garrison state. Yo mama.
FrankHerbert
Jul 19, 2011

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Woah I never heard the term garrison state before but that's a perfect description of Israel w/r/t the West. Damn.
210
Jul 20, 2011

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The point some political element SHOULD have made at the time is that even though the Jews do tend to 'stay to themselves' they are bearing their fair share of the pain and sorrow of Germany. Germans HAD BEEN culturally tolerant moderates.
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You are hopelessly generalizing and therefore exhibiting a type of racism yourself. The germanic myth is easily discounted by considering that most euros are germanic... including the Rus'-descended russians.
http://en.wikiped...(people)
-Meant to legitimize a zionist israel; that is, a western bridgehead and a garrison state. Yo mama.

We have limited space in which to post; some generalization is necessary and must assume those that read are adequately prepared academically. I spoke of Germany, NOT Germanic peoples; A "Jewish Race" I never mentioned. I denounce hatred for Jewish people, although I hate D wars they have fought. I hate many things we humans do, but love the race, D human race.
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Morgaine
Jul 23, 2011

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There is, a an alternative version of evolution in China. It is false, the DNA evidence proves it is false, but this version dictates that asians evolved from Erectus, rather than developing in Africa and migrating from there into Asia. Hair is the least of the issue. My first concern would be brain size and shape. The skulls of asians also supports what the DNA tells us. They developed like the rest of us. The differences between neanderthal and homo sapien could not have been as major as first believed for us to have interbred as we evidently apparently did. Once we migrated People, were very migratory way back then. So it seems likely following game and herds and what ever around europe and asia we would have found huge pockets of interbreeding. This is why we have a eurasian classification of people. The only ones exempt from neanderthal contibution would be the folks over in africa. They are exempt, because they didn't leave until long after neanderthal went extinct.
Morgaine
Jul 23, 2011

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Geneticists, have agreed the necesary differences in genetics between the different "races" of people are insufficient to qualify race as anything more than a myth.

Ok, now to continue, this is before race, back when we were all just the human race fighting nature for survival. Cultures and countries had not been founded yet.

First a neanderthal created a painted bead out of a shell. It is the earliest art known to man predating homo sapien entry into europe. The only ape present was neanderthal. So we know he made it. Next, we have cavemen and interbreeding. Which is followed by a slow change in neanderthal culture and a decline in large tool culture (actually more effective than micro tool culture brought from Africa by homo sapien.) This is time period includes cave paintings cave living hunting gathering nomadic culture for all. This time period also includes the first religion the snake cult of Botwana.

To be continued
Morgaine
Jul 23, 2011

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Following this early hunter gathering interbreeding culture of survivalist small tribes of on average between 6 and 20 individuals, we see the rise of agriculture. This is also associated with the rise of the corn goddesses and other gods of harvest. These gods are added to the early hunter gatherer cultural gods that constituted a belief in animism. Agriculture, allowed these tribes to stay and no longer move nomadically.

To be continued.
Morgaine
Jul 23, 2011

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Agriculturalism could also support larger groups. Which lead to the slow rise of the city states like greece and rome and egypt etc. Gods of culture and hierarchy begin to appear. This is still before writing which arrived at different times in different places.This is when the earliest "culturism" seems to have begun. So race does not exist but once we have these city states and agriculture whole cultures and societies begin to come into being. This is what the evidence shows. These cultures, make up the uhhh "races" of today that are just myths according to geneticists. To help the ignorant understand this is rather simplified and watered down. If anyone has any questions i may have answers. Hope this clarifies some stuff for everyone.
Morgaine
Jul 24, 2011

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Was reading through the comments again. Someone mentioned neanderthals were more intelligent than we previously give them credit for. This statement is highly correct. They had a significantly larger brain size than we do. But their brains were also shaped differently. This would suggest they were likely not living in the same conceptual world that we were. Also the shape of the skulls and the mouth would indicate they could not produce all the same sounds that we do. And that they could produce others that we can not. Their language would have been different at least in part.
scienceminusegotrip
Jul 24, 2011

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Fact: Africans are the solitary progenitors of all "humans". Neanderthals and "us Modern Humans" aka Modern Africans have the same progenitor from Africa. Modern Africans left the continent met with some Archaic Africans and had sex with them, producing African/African hybrids. The end... Any Questions?
Morgaine
Jul 24, 2011

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Also, with apes there is a general rule that is not necesarily aplicable to neanderthal still it is the ape rule of thumb. The larger the brain the more socially complex the species society is as a standard. Neanderthals, may have added flowers to the graves of the dead, there is definitive evidence that they cared for their sick and injured. The way they buried their dead is viewed by many to be ritualistic in the positioning of the corpses as well as in that the graves respect eachother.
Morgaine
Jul 24, 2011

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Fact: Neanderthal developed in europe from Erectus who left Africa in the first migration. Fact, homo sapiens developed directly from heidelbergensis, which developed from Erectus in Africa. They all share a common ancestor. They do not both directly link back to Erectus though.
Sin_Amos
Jul 24, 2011

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"At the very least asian students consistently outperform European and American students. and I do remember a study in which the average Israeli scored particularly well on intelligence test." - and yet they lack creative genius nine times out of ten. Sad, but true.
Sin_Amos
Jul 24, 2011

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"Geneticists, have agreed the necessary* differences in genetics between the different "races" of people are insufficient to qualify race as anything more than a myth."----race is not a myth at all - the perception that we are equal is the myth. Metaphorically we can be equal, but we are intellectually, emotionally, physically, spiritually, different. There is no greater or lesser to that equation except when you stack up reasoning, comprehension, problem solving, and a myriad of other examples. We should all just be happy BEING. We can't be the same or life would be terribly boring.
A_Paradox
Jul 24, 2011

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There is only one human race, and if we don't all work a bit harder at being properly human, we are going to lose the human race. That would be a pity, but it will be a manifestation of willful stupidity rather than anything truly inevitable. So you guys better start thinking about how to grow several billion tonnes of extra seaweed per year so we can save the ocean from acidity, otherwise there will be no future for the children who truly are the owners of this Earth.

Meanwhile, "Mitochondrial Eve", our H sapiens universal mother, was African. I ask: is this Neanderthaler X chrom. sequence in ALL us Afro-Exodus descendants? Or is it just found in SOME of people from everywhere outside Africa? In latter case it may be result of just SOME Neanderthaler women in south of Arabian peninsular joining the sapiens Afro-Exodus soon after crossing southern end of the Red Sea.
scienceminusegotrip
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You crazies are not "Neanderthals " aka "super special humans". Just plain old skittles colored Modern Africans. The vastness of our mother continent's terrain's variations coupled with reintegration of dispersed genes sped the Modern Africans march towards a less specialized Animal. We are all the result of a sort of gene ratcheting effect which took place in Africa. As resent Africans left the progenitor continent at different times the "skittles effect" became most prominent as defenses against new terrain's outside of Africa. Now the apparent reintegration of those dispersed "skittles genes" will most likely help us survive the colonization of the other terrestrial planets in the near future.
scienceminusegotrip
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continuation...And who knows maybe Mars or Venus will produce the missing green and blue skittles, then they too will turn around and deny the fact that they are Africans. Remember genes are pack rate, they don't throw much away, and when a Animal stops being the sum of their progenitors is pseudoscience at best, or at worst a silly pre conceived fiction imposed on reality.
Jonseer
Jul 27, 2011

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Lost in all of this is the dogma that held sway until recently - that it was impossible for the two groups to interbreed.

An example of the high mindedness of scientific research that often gets science in general in so much trouble.

The actual proof of this being true was the "lack" of proof it happened, NOT proof that it was impossible.

To some it just seemed so common sense, speaking of it as proven would cause no harm at all, because their opinion would eventually be verified.

Riiiiight.

The # of climate denialists grow for this very reason.

Considering how different species far different from each other can naturally interbreed, why the notion that a Cro-Magnon/Neanderthal hybrid was impossible seem common sense always seemed daft to me.

I always noted that scientists who said it was impossible were almost always Americans. I'm not surprised who found out otherwise.

Could our American sense of religion rooted, specialness be to blame
FrankHerbert
Jul 27, 2011

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Could our American sense of religion rooted, specialness be to blame


Do you even need to ask ;-)
lauranathalasa
Aug 27, 2011

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I thought this article was about the fact that cavemen played together in cold winter nights and half-breed babies were born. I'm very sorry to see that some fellow humans started to bite each other about the fact that a Chinese could be more intelligent than an American or the IQ tests (God knows how schematical they are, and that "multiple intelligences" may be a great fact too) of Israeli students were sooooo gorgeous.
I fear that cavemen that had fun thousand years ago may be far better than these modern cavemen.
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