Rising temperatures threaten a food crisis

Jun 03, 2011 By Joel N. Shurki
Credit: David Spencer

A recent study reports that the geographical range of some agricultural crops -- such as corn and beans -- may be greatly reduced if temperatures continue to rise. While some farmers may be able to readjust what they grow, others may have to give up, producing a disaster.

Food prices have been rising, and climate change is likely to have a larger effect on production in the future. These issues might be expected in southern Asia and Africa, but if temperatures keep rising, even places now reasonably secure such as China and Latin America could face a within two generations.

The study was published by the CGIAR Research Program on Climate Change, Agriculture and Food Security, a non-governmental research organization.

The researchers used current to produce the maps which match "climate hotspots," places where is expected to be at its most extreme, and indicators of future food problems. One map shows "climate thresholds," where rising temperatures would make growing certain crops untenable. Another shows densely agricultural areas that may be sensitive to temperature changes, and a third shows areas where producing food always has been problematical.

"When you put these maps together they reveal places around the world where the arrival of stressful growing conditions could be especially disastrous," wrote the study's lead author Polly Ericksen, a senior scientist at the CGIAR's International Livestock Research Institute in Nairobi, Kenya. "These are areas highly exposed to climate shifts, where survival is strongly linked to the fate of regional crop and livestock yields, and where chronic food problems indicate that farmers are already struggling and they lack the capacity to adapt to new ."
 
Currently, there are 56 million people who are "food insecure," who live in areas where sustained maximum daily temperatures are expected to rise above 86 degrees F, a temperature at which beans are no longer a viable crop and maize and rice suffer, the report said. These areas include West Africa, India and China.
 
In India and sub-Saharan Africa, where farmers now are living on the edge, it is possible that the growing season could shrink by five percent. Some 396 million people depend on local agriculture in those zones.
 
By 2050, the prime growing season is likely to fall below 120 days in intensively farmed regions of northeast Brazil and Mexico, a number crucial to many crops.
 
According to press reports, the effects are already showing in Mexico. A combination of heavy rains and high temperatures has stunted the mango crop for the second year in a row in the area around the Mexican state of Chiapas. The fruit being produced is inedible and the size of the crop has fallen 60 percent. Most of Mexico's mango crop is eaten by consumers in the U.S.
 
Even ocean aquaculture can be affected. In the Pacific Northwest, rising acidity in the ocean is threatening the abalone, an already endangered sea snail coveted by dinners as a delicacy. Northern fisheries were closed in 1990 to protect the endangered animal but wild populations are still declining, according to Canadian researchers.
 
Increased acidity would affect not just coastal economics but any prospect of saving the abalone through aquaculture, according to Christopher Harley, an associate zoology professor at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. Scientists there took northern abalone larvae and subjected them in the lab to increased carbon dioxide in sea water. When the CO2 increased from 400 to 1,800 parts per million, 40 percent of the larvae died and those that survived produced snails with shell abnormalities.
 
The levels were chosen for the study because they represented "future predicted levels of CO2," according to Ryan Crim, a graduate student who participated in the research and now teaches at Northwest Indian College in Bellingham, Wash. The current models predict levels will reach between 590-1,000 parts per million by the end of the century.
 
"Eighteen hundred parts per million is ecologically relevant in the sense that the atmosphere is expected to reach that level, but not for another several hundred years," said Crim. "It is likely that levels as high as 1,800 parts per million CO2 can occur during isolated, short-term events."

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Shootist
2.1 / 5 (19) Jun 03, 2011
Longer growing seasons, more food, Canada and Russia able to grow more wheat and corn?

Looking over what is known about the last 5000 years; man does better in warm weather.

This can only be a good thing.
Shelgeyr
2.2 / 5 (20) Jun 03, 2011
Rising temperatures threaten a food crisis


No, I think that's not right. More like "Politics threaten a food crisis". Examples are endless.

Warmer and wetter weather (not that such is actually coming or anything...) would be great.
jscroft
2.1 / 5 (14) Jun 03, 2011
The end is nigh... again! What we obviously need now is another economic stimulus bill!
Life_is_like_that
2.2 / 5 (17) Jun 03, 2011
'...may be greatly reduced if temperatures continue to rise...', '...may be sensitive to temperature changes...', '...researchers used current climate models to produce the maps which match "climate hotspots,"....more models, no empirical data.....these are nothing but alarmist assertions.

Biodiversity increases as vegetation creeps northward with rising temperatures....more wildlife in warm regions than cold...longer growing seasons means bumper crops (more food) etc....

Why is it that we hear only about impending disaster....when will the positive benefits of rising temperatures be reveal or explored?

We keep hearing dooms day scenarios.... a sure sign that this subject has gone off the rails.
TheRedComet
4 / 5 (8) Jun 03, 2011
Its nice to hear your professional opinion that global warming has no empirical data. Your insight into Ecology underlines the need for greater education on the subject.
As for all the doom and gloom surrounding global warming its intended for a certain percentage of the population that can only understand big graphs and pictures of are possible fate.
NotParker
2 / 5 (15) Jun 03, 2011
Mangos - cold and bad management!

"India has revised downwards its official mango crop forecast due to lingering cool weather, Yahoo news reports."

http://www.fruitn...id=10246

Bad Management?

"Carlos Ortega blames weird weather, but also says the farmers themselves may have made things worse. The region had a big cotton boom a few years ago, and growers used too many pesticides and fertilizers that eventually depleted the soil and killed off many of the insect pollinators."

http://www.global...-ataulfo
omatumr
1.8 / 5 (19) Jun 03, 2011
Longer growing seasons, more food, Canada and Russia able to grow more wheat and corn?

Looking over what is known about the last 5000 years; man does better in warm weather.

This can only be a good thing.


I agree.

The public has tired of alarmist predictions of impending disasters.

Public confidence in science was foolishly squandered when world leaders and leaders of the scientific community continued to promote the threat of CO2-induced global warming after e-mail messages revealed that climate data and observations had been manipulated.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel

TheRedComet
3.2 / 5 (13) Jun 03, 2011
You should look in to those accusations before blindly posting about the Climatic Research Unit email controversy. I notice that you made no attempt at supporting your claim other than a misleading reference to the email. When you call some one out on being an alarmist maybe you shouldnt use alarmist tactics yourself as It makes you sound like a hypocrite.
NotParker
2.4 / 5 (14) Jun 03, 2011
1) CRU had proxies designed to pretend there was no Medieval Warming Period. Sadly, thos proxies went down instead of up in 1960. So what did they do? They "hid the decline".

"Phil Jones to Ray Bradley, Mike Mann, Malcolm Hughes, Keith Briffa, and Tim Osborn, regarding a diagram for a World Meteorological Organization Statement:

Ive just completed Mikes Nature trick of adding in the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keiths to hide the decline."

Howhot
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 03, 2011
I know of a solution! It's called Soylent Green. Even Mr. Charlton Heston would agree with you Global warming deniers that soylent green is tasty and nutritional. But that only buys you 10 extra years of survival from global warming, eating your own.

ted208
1.9 / 5 (17) Jun 03, 2011
Red Camel.
You need to fill up on water & information. The alarmist are in full retreat, these doom & gloom predictions /lies are a last gasp, a rearguard action, of a once powerful group that are running out of resources & MONEY. In case you didn't notice the Governments of the western world are in deep S**t financially & morally. Many things are happening that will spoil the warmist party. 1. most Western governments are bankrupt or on the edge 2. A world wide rescission is now a real possibility. 3. Your power & support base is shrinking dramatically. 4. The Carbon market's is in a state of collapse. 5. Access to the elite power brokers is becoming very scarce. 6. After the next IPPC climate fiasco in Durban later this year if will be all but over. 7. Nature is doing her thing & the world is cooling. There isn't any amount of creative climate modeling or misleading regurgitated doom & gloom end time scenarios going to change these facts.
Just the Facts!
Howhot
3.6 / 5 (14) Jun 04, 2011
It always amazes me the BS you guy post to articles suggesting the consequences of dumping 60 Gigatons (yeap TONS of CO2) into an eggshell thick atmosphere and claim it has no green house effect. Simple grade school experiments can show how CO2 can trap heat, which is what global warming is. And then after years of Giga-TONS of CO2 added after burning millions of years of sequestered carbon and claim Global warming it's not created by man? Its fact.

We created this mess and only we have the intellectual capabilities to plan and reverse GW.

Surely you are not that blind and deaf to see what is happening. (Oh, tedy boy, 7 is so wrong).

ted208
2.1 / 5 (15) Jun 04, 2011
Howhot.
A great movie. However I think there is a strong possibility that Soylent Green could happen unless we solve the real problems afflicting the world, the list is endless but still achievable. The biggest hoax the world has ever seen is the CO2 driven CAGW pushed by warmist. Because of it time, precious resources and the money needed to achieve these worthy goals have been wasted by the socialist/warmist elitist and ignorant politicians, who have willingly ravaging the economy's of the world for the dark and evil fantasy that is CAGW.
Howhot
3 / 5 (11) Jun 04, 2011
No Ted, you are wrong. Man made CO2 is the main source of global climate change. Actually it's not "Man made" exactly. It's man pumping billions of TONS of sequester CO2 that was on a slow trip to earth's mantel, but instead of it's in the atmosphere now.

Humans are idiots not to just outlaw CO2 and force everyone onto a cold turkey sandwich of sunlight and wind.
Howhot
3.5 / 5 (11) Jun 04, 2011
You know Ted, all of the other problems you site 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all man made social problems that only effect the peoples ability to govern themselves. Global warming on the other hand is a planet killer.
TheRedComet
4 / 5 (5) Jun 04, 2011
ted208 Are you trying to blame global warming for the financial crisis because Im pretty sure that was caused by unjustifiable wars for oil.

NotParker en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_documents#Climate_reconstruction_graph If there was a great conspiracy by someone who was it where is your counter evidence? Your argument sounds like paranoia from things which you fear. I understand that this article tried to extrapolate too much from the data provided but that was the fault of the journalist not the scientist.
NotParker
1.6 / 5 (14) Jun 04, 2011
60 gigatons is 3% of the CO2 produced each year - nature produces the other 97% ... so if there was any noticeable warming (there isn't) 97% of it would be natures fault.

Except of course that by far the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapor.

So that tiny 3% is more like .3% .

If you really cared ... you would disconnect yourself from the electrical grid and heat your homes with wood fires.
omatumr
1 / 5 (10) Jun 04, 2011
Man made CO2 is the main source of global climate change.


A recent interview with Czech astronomer Dr. Ivanka Charvátová confirms other studies [1-3]: Climate change is caused by changes in solar inertial motion (SIM):

www.klimaskeptik....rom-gfu/

Gravitational interaction of orbiting planets with the Sun's central neutron star apparently jerk it around inside the glowing ball of waste products (photosphere) like a yo-yo on a string.

1. Jose, P.D., Suns motion and sunspots, Astron. J., 1965, 70, 193-20

2. Fairbridge, R.W. and Shirley, J.H., Prolonged minima and the 179-yr cycle of the solar
inertial motion, Solar Physics, 1987, 110, 191-220

3. Superfluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate, Journal of Fusion Energy, 2002, 21, 193-198

http://arxiv.org/.../0501441

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Howhot
2.8 / 5 (8) Jun 05, 2011
Thanks Omat. Interesting references. I wish I could convince you that that global warming is man made. Arxiv has many I could site. It really comes down to observing what is happening around us. 'We' the polluters are using the atmosphere as deep CO2 sink. The problem is it's full and the more we dump the more dangerous the situation becomes for the survival of future life.
Howhot
2.8 / 5 (9) Jun 05, 2011
You know earth has pretty much maintained a steady state atmospheric CO2 balanced buy the CO2 loving plants, algae and other photosynthetic processes. Up until the industrial revolution when advanced societies began to us coal, then oil and gas as primary energy sources. I think 60 Gigatons of excess CO2 above 720GT is dangerous. Your playing with fire when 800GTs can be irreversible for 10's of 1000's of years.
You guys just don't get it. GW is just as dangerous as a comet strike!

And it's happening as we speak by years of inaction and denial.
omatumr
1.6 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2011
I was myself convinced that global warming is man-made, . . . until I started looking at the experimental evidence.

It does not exist.

The global climate scandal (Climategate) and the united efforts of world leaders and leaders of the scientific community to "whitewash" (dismiss/ignore) manipulation of experimental data and observations simply destroyed their greatest asset:

Public Confidence!

Now Science and Nature are publishing editorials asking why the public refuses to accept their propaganda anymore.

Climategate simply confirmed the operation of a federal "scientific-technological elite" inside our federal research agencies - as President Eisenhower warned might happen:

www.youtube.com/w...ld5PR4ts
Ethelred
3.4 / 5 (8) Jun 05, 2011
Since Oliver is spamming the site with the same post I using the same reply.

shows that other scientists also disagree with the global warming story
Certainly there are scientists that do. I think even Gore knows that. Has to by now. Then again even Bush came to the conclusion that GW is occurring.

army of government-paid climatologists
Ivanka Charvátová is also government paid.

Gravitational interaction of orbiting planets with the Suns central neutron star
Can't happen since there is no neutron star in the Sun. Now the churning idea is reasonable BUT since the heat reaching the surface of the Sun come from reactions that took place a million years ago, according to theory that actually follows known physics, it seems that there might be a bit of lag between the churning and the heat released from the photosphere.

waste products (H/He-rich photosphere)
She didn't say that despite you spamming her. She mentioned you but not one word about a neutron star.>>
Ethelred
3.7 / 5 (6) Jun 05, 2011
Wolf Minimum (1270-1350) 160 - 170
Spörer Minimum (~1430-1520) 190 - 190
Maunder Minimum (~1620-1710) 170 - 130
Dalton Minimum (~1790-1840) ? why not already happening?

160+170+190+190+170+130 = 1010 / 6 = 168

The 130 is a bit off from the rest without that the average is 176

Beginnings 520 / 3 = 173

Either way its close but not the the same as the 179 in the interview.

1790 + 179 = 1969 average
1790 + 160 = 1950 shortest beginning to beginning
1790 + 130 = 1920 shortest ending to ending
1790 + 190 = 1980 longest interval of any kind

So where is that minimum? The latest solar minimum did go a couple of years more than normal BUT that just ended and we still don't have new minimum UNLESS there is something causing the temperature to be high anyway. CO2 perhaps?

However a long term minimum should have few if any sunspots for decades and that isn't happening at the moment.>>
Ethelred
5 / 5 (2) Jun 05, 2011
And where did this thing come from in the interview?
We agree that in the first half of the 21st century the solar activity might be lower and even the temperatures might go down.
That doesn't follow from her numbers. Her numbers produce the mid to late 20th century for a new minimum. Funny how that got ignored. Then again the interviewer didn't want to find errors since the site is a denial site.

Its an interesting concept and I suspect it is at least partly true HOWEVER the timing of the minimums have a problem with the present lack of a minimum which should have started 30 or more years ago.

Ethelred
omatumr
1 / 5 (10) Jun 05, 2011
The global climate scandal (Climategate) destroyed their greatest asset:

Public Confidence!


Now the APS is abandoning the myth promoted by world leaders, Al Gore, the UN's IPCC, and their army of government-paid climatologists!

Finally - years after Climategate exposed that data had been hidden, ignored, manipulated to support this myth - the American Physical Society announced the establishment of a "New Topical Group on Climate"

www.aps.org/units...ndex.cfm

To seek "a better understanding of the mechanisms, magnitudes, and timescales by which anthropogenic and non-anthropogenic processes affect climate, including for example, greenhouse gases, solar variability, and unforced influences such as internal modes of variability."

The June 2011 APS announcement is here:

www.aps.org/publi...roup.cfm

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Egleton
3 / 5 (12) Jun 05, 2011
Go find your own planet to experiment on.
Dump all of it's fossil carbon into the atmosphere. Tell us how it went.
But leave my grandchildren's planet alone.
Egleton
2.5 / 5 (11) Jun 05, 2011
Kind regards my arse.
Astroturfer
ted208
2.2 / 5 (10) Jun 05, 2011
Hi RedComet
I feel the Banksters & foolish government policy changes led to the financial crisis.
And no I didn't link the financial crisis by blame global warming. I basically said because of the tightening & dwindling money supply global warming will take a back seat as it is indeed doing.

Sea Level Plummeting: Lowest Level Since At Least 2004
The latest data has been added to the Aviso site, and sea level is dropping. Europes Envisat satellite has been collecting data since 2004, and now shows that sea level is the lowest it has been since they started collecting data.
Since the start of the year, sea level has dropped almost 10 mm.

http://stevengodd...st-2004/

NOAA Reports That 15-Year U.S. Cooling Trend Jumps To -3.2°F Versus March's -2.9°F

http://www.c3head...29f.html

NotParker
1.4 / 5 (11) Jun 05, 2011
Go find your own planet to experiment on.
Dump all of it's fossil carbon into the atmosphere. Tell us how it went.
But leave my grandchildren's planet alone.


Your grandchildren have more to fear from the end of this interglacial.
Jimee
4.2 / 5 (5) Jun 05, 2011
These denials are taking on the flavor of a religious conviction, and any evidence or logic is summarily waved no matter how soundly based. If the comments weren't so offensive and intended to harm they could be ignored out of hand.
Shootist
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 05, 2011
You should look in to those accusations before blindly posting about the Climatic Research Unit email controversy. I notice that you made no attempt at supporting your claim other than a misleading reference to the email. When you call some one out on being an alarmist maybe you shouldnt use alarmist tactics yourself as It makes you sound like a hypocrite.


60 gigatons doesn't register a blip on a "paperthin" atmosphere that masses 5 quintillion tons.

Two words. Hockey stick. 'nuff said about lying and corruption within the climate establishment.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Jun 05, 2011
"Longer growing seasons, more food, Canada and Russia able to grow more wheat and corn?" - Shootist Tard

How do you propose to grow corn and wheat on the barren rock of the Canadian shield?
Howhot
2.7 / 5 (7) Jun 05, 2011
Shootem says "Two words. Hockey stick". Interesting how something that is so easily observed is something that lying corrupt scientists would report. For what motivation sir?
[to get a grant? Your full of it!].

The 60Gtons per year, is on top of a natural background. You are wrong to trivialize it. That is CO2 that will linger for 10000 years if biology doesn't trap it. We been doing that excess now for decades. The consequence is Hockey-stick, and since CO2 level going exponential, and global average temperature tracking CO2 levels, one can only conclude that global average temperatures will increase exponentially as well.
Howhot
2.7 / 5 (7) Jun 05, 2011
Also to Teddy, "Sea Level Plummeting". BS. Tell that to the people of Venice.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Jun 05, 2011
"60 gigatons doesn't register a blip on a "paperthin" atmosphere that masses 5 quintillion tons." - Shootist Tard

I wasn't aware that weight was a measure of the ability of a material to absorb light.

How do you explain that the 1 kilogram of paint film on a 10m by 3m wall keeps the surface below absolutely dark when the 0.6 million kilograms of air above is virtually transparent?

Perhaps you are just a denialist fool.

What do you think?

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 05, 2011
"Your grandchildren have more to fear from the end of this interglacial." - ParkerTard

Their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, .... Grandchildren will be long dead before the end of the current interglacial.

Poor Innumerate NoParkerTard.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 05, 2011
"NOAA Reports That 15-Year U.S. Cooling Trend Jumps To -3.2°F Versus March's -2.9°F" = Ted208Tard

America constitutes less than 2 percent of the area of the earth and climate is defined over 30 year periods or longer.

Your site (NOAA) shows a 1'C decline in U.S. average temps over the last 15 years, but a trend of +0.56'C per decade over the last 30 years.

You poor Tard you.

ubavontuba
2.2 / 5 (9) Jun 05, 2011
Also to Teddy, "Sea Level Plummeting". BS. Tell that to the people of Venice.
This has nothing to do with the sea level. Venice itself, is sinking.

http://en.wikiped...f_Venice

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 05, 2011
Your belief that the sun is made mostly from Iron says much about your knowledge of science.

"Now the APS is abandoning the myth promoted by world leaders, Al Gore, the UN's IPCC, and their army of government-paid climatologists!" - OmaTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.6 / 5 (40) Jun 05, 2011
Put on that Tin Foil hat of your OmaTard. That Neutron Star that you claim is at the center of the sun is sending moon beams to confuse your brain.

"The global climate scandal (Climategate) and the united efforts of world leaders and leaders of the scientific community to "whitewash"" - OmaTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Jun 05, 2011
Since a photon takes tens to hundreds of thousands of years to diffuse to the surface of the sun from it's interior, no planetary influence on the interior - even if it existed - would manifest at the suns's surface.

Poor, mentally ill OmaTard.

"A recent interview with Czech astronomer Dr. Ivanka Charvátová confirms other studies [1-3]: Climate change is caused by changes in solar inertial motion." - OmaTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 05, 2011
"60 gigatons is 3% of the CO2 produced each year - nature produces the other 97%" - NoParkerTard

And that 3% is 100% of the excess CO2 produced each year.

It is the that is responsible for the accumulation. Isn't it Tard Boy?

Ahahahahah You are one stupid Tard aren't you.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 05, 2011
"Nature is doing her thing & the world is cooling." - TedTard

Is that why last year was tied with the warmest two years ever recorded, and 15 of the last 15 years have been the warmest ever recorded globally?

The rest of your post is an attempt to confuse science with politics. Which immediately shows us that you aren't interested in science, but deny science because you fear the political implications of the truth.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 05, 2011
I hear a voice from Planet Conservatard who's sun contains a Neutron Star made mostly from Iron.

The voice is saying...

"Public confidence in science was foolishly squandered when world leaders and leaders of the scientific community continued to promote the threat of CO2-induced global warming..." - OmaTard
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (39) Jun 05, 2011
"What we obviously need now is another economic stimulus bill!" - IsCroft

The day that it Republicans threatened to refuse to extend the U.S. debt limit, the U.S. stock market fell 200 points.

"We need to manufacture an crisis in order to assure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus magazine 1995

"Starve the beast by bankrupting government." - Republican Slogan
Howhot
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 06, 2011
Wow! Stole the words right out of my mouth Vend, on every count.
I'm always amazed and actually quite puzzled as to how and why anyone would take the consequences of global warming lightly or twist science into some evil venture. To me you are absolutely justified in TARDing them. They are bought and paid for just to be TARDED..
Ethelred
4.2 / 5 (5) Jun 06, 2011
Now the APS is abandoning the myth promoted by world leaders, Al Gore, the UN's IPCC, and their army of government-paid climatologists!
Gosh, Oliver ignored me except to rank me a one. I am SO surprised that Oliver would ignore strongly founded criticism.

Finally - years after Climategate exposed that data had been hidden,
Finally after years of spamming the site with idiocy about an iron Sun Oliver makes posts that actually are accepted by others. True the others are also unable to show any error in my post just like Oliver.

Ethelred
Ethelred
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 06, 2011
Ted
NOAA Reports That 15-Year U.S. Cooling Trend Jumps To -3.2°F Versus March's -2.9°F
And what did you expect during a period when the Sun is cooling. Which went on a bit more than the normal of 11 years. It was at a minimum for over two years which unusual. Notice how the last section graph is UP. The Sun went back to the normal pattern of solar activity which, if it goes on the historical norm, will be UP for about 11 years. The prior 11 years the temperature was going up at a higher rate than 3.2 per century.

decade-long plus global cooling trend persists, contradicting the experts.
Didn't contradict me. I know the Sun has a 22 year long cycle of 11 up and 11 down on average. The 11 years down is now over UNLESS there is a Maundar minimum but the sunspot activity has picked up quite a bit. Exactly unlike the numbers that the scientist that Oliver linked to actually predicts.>>
Ethelred
3.3 / 5 (7) Jun 06, 2011
It is typical of GW deniers that they pick out short periods of time or a perhaps one glacier out of dozens to use as 'evidence' to support their position. Try looking at the long term Ted and if you need Oliver's support your position has no hope at all. You can see on this thread alone that he is completely unwilling to deal with any evidence that is contrary to his needs.

Ethelred
Ethelred
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 06, 2011
Shootist
Two words. Hockey stick
Interesting how that one is used without a mention of the normal climate cylcle of 11 up and 11 down. Never gets mentioned by the deniers. Careful selection of data is pretty standard for people don't like to deal with reality.

And please note, Shootist, that Oliver did exactly as I expected. He pretended his post didn't get shot down. In this case with his own sources data and nothing that came from anyone else. Oliver is a crank on science in all forms because he can't accept the reality that he is wrong. I also note they YOU ignored it as well.

I don't give a damn about the politics here. If the ice melts that is a bad thing even if France can start growing rice.

Ethelred
ted208
1.7 / 5 (11) Jun 06, 2011
I guess that history will prove the warmist right with the great progressive God Gaia on their side they can't go wrong or can they?
Vendicar_Decarian - you really are quite fond of the word tard.
You are an angry old/young/man or woman whatever calm down and enjoy the cooling world.
I'm off to the mountains in my nasty SUV its only $150 worth of gas to do something really cool- snow boarding by the way we still have a snow base of 450 cm down from 650cm a month ago does that mean it global warming?
Ethelred:
Interesting how that one is used without a mention of the normal climate cylcle of 11 up and 11 down. Never gets mentioned by the deniers. There I've mentioned it.
By the way your right it is the sun going back to the dawning of time that has the strongest effect on our climate as recorded in the rise and fall of many civilizations.
Please don't tell me that history books are full of crap I've invested a fortune in them. Climate model's rule man! So we agree or??????

ted208
1.4 / 5 (11) Jun 06, 2011
Another case of do what we say - not what we do.

Y0u have to wonder about Obama's carbon footprint.

Obama arrived with 500 staff in tow, including 200 Secret Service agents, a team of six doctors, the White House chef and kitchen staff with the presidents own food and water.
And, according to the Evening Standard, he also came with 35 vehicles in all, four speech writers and 12 teleprompters. For sure, our president is not going to be at a loss for words.
The press duly reported on Air Force One and all its bells and whistles but also on the presence of the presidential helicopter, Marine One, and a fleet of identical decoys to ferry him from Stansted airport to central London.
Imagine the carbon footprint of this one trip, then multiply it by all those vacations he and Michelle seem to be so fond of. If I actually believed in anthropogenic global warming I might claim he was the main cause of it. 12 teleprompters? WTF!!!???
ted208
1.4 / 5 (9) Jun 06, 2011
John Bryson, nominated by President Barack Obama on Tuesday to head the Department of Commerce

John Bryson, President Obamas nominee to head the Commerce Department, told a University of California Berkeley audience in 2010 that a cap and trade system was a good way to hide a carbon tax from the public.
Bryson, formerly the CEO of Edison International, said that a carbon tax was the new third rail of politics because politicians wouldnt want to tax energy directly.
I think its still unlikely therell be a carbon tax bill because I think in the end a very high percentage of the members of Congress think its kind of the third rail to support a tax, even if its a carbon tax, Bryson said.
A nice sneaky guy!
ted208
1.4 / 5 (11) Jun 06, 2011
Limousine liberals? Number of government-owned limos has soared under Obama.

Limousines, the very symbol of wealth and excess, are usually the domain of corporate executives and the rich. But the number of limos owned by Uncle Sam increased by 73 percent during the first two years of the Obama administration, according to an analysis of records by iWatch News.
Most of the increase was recorded in Hillary Clintons State Department.
Obama administration officials said most of the increase reflects an enhanced effort to protect diplomats and other government officials in a dangerous world. But a watchdog group says the abundance of limos sends the wrong message in the midst of a budget crisis and the fear of carbon pollution????.

How do you spell Hypocrites!
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Jun 06, 2011
"Limousine liberals? Number of government-owned limos has soared under Obama." = Ted208

Poor Ted. He was shown more than a week ago that the article he quotes above then goes on to state that there is no Limousine count maintained by the government or anyone else.

So the article was nothing more than a lie.

Ted208 after being shown that the article was based on a lie, waited a week so that no one would notice, and posted the lie again.

I have never encountered a Conservative who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.

Ted208 is par for the course.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (38) Jun 06, 2011
"Vendicar_Decarian - you really are quite fond of the word tard." = Tard208

I calls em as I seez em - Tard Boy.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (38) Jun 06, 2011
"I guess that history will prove the warmist right with the great progressive God Gaia on their side they can't go wrong or can they?" = Tard208

Correct.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 06, 2011
There was a story about how the Asian carp has invaded US rivers. For some reason they jump out of the water when boats pass. There is a great video of 'Mad Max' water skier using a sword to attack the fish.

Instead of trying to poison them, catch them and eat them. A New Orleans restaurant serves them and I bet Asians would eat them.

Point is there is plenty of food available. The problems are govts that get in the way.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 06, 2011
The Philippines grow mango but they are not allowed to be imported fresh. Why?
When food crops replace tobacco, poppies, hemp, or coco leaf then you may start to worry. Or when corn is used for food instead of ethanol and soy beans are eaten instead of burned, then worry.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 06, 2011
When govts stop subsidizing food and when socialists regimes like DPRK, Zimbabwe, France, Scandinavia, etc. allow farmers to grow what they want with modern equipment, and there are still shortages, then, maybe, start to worry.
Howhot
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 06, 2011
As a character from MAD magazine says "What? Me worry?" If you read through the article, it's a bleak picture. R2. governments are not the problem; as much as the libertarian tea-party would like to think. It is the WHOLE G.D. PLANET HEATING UP!
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Jun 07, 2011
"The problems are govts that get in the way." - RyggTard

That is your perpetually wrong thesis.

Perhaps one day you might actually find an example where it is actually true, and you won't have to resort to your normal pattern of ignorance, distortions and lies in an attempt to prove it.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (38) Jun 07, 2011
"The Philippines grow mango but they are not allowed to be imported fresh." - RyggTard

Probably because they are smart enough not to outsource all of their jobs to foreign nations.

You know... Like your bankrupt nation did as a result of it adopting suicidal Randite/Libertarian economic theology.

Ethelred
3 / 5 (2) Jun 07, 2011
Howhot

Sorry I gave you a one. That was intended for the idiot that thinks Somalian pirates are cool and politicians are evil but actually is a politician himself.

Ethelred

Ethelred
3.4 / 5 (5) Jun 07, 2011
I guess that history will prove the warmist right with the great progressive God Gaia
Belief in gods is not my problem. I leave that to you.

Vendicar_Decarian - you really are quite fond of the word tard.
He does shoot himself in the foot a lot that way. Must his inferiority complex. You know the thing that has him attacking people for not being Canucks.

enjoy the cooling world.
Two things wrong with that. Vendicar is Canadian and the world isn't cooling unless a Maundar Minimum actually does set in.

By the way your right it is the sun going back to the dawning of time that has the strongest effect
Not the only effect. Indeed the world would be frozen without greenhouse gasses thus those gasses are the reason there is life beyond bacteria on Earth.

Please don't tell me that history books are full of crap
Don't try to put words in my mouth. Now there are books that are crap. Even some history books.>>
Ethelred
3.1 / 5 (7) Jun 07, 2011
Climate model's rule man! So we agree or??????
Agree on what? Greenhouse gasses? Only if you give up on that disproved crap from the German or the idiocy that Oliver posts.

Y0u have to wonder about Obama's carbon footprint.
The best thing about Obama is that he isn't Dumbass. Dumbass seriously damaged the US and Obama, so far, doesn't seem to have what it takes to repair the damage. I really wanted Bill Clinton but he couldn't run and while I think his wife would have been better than Obama I doubt she could do as well Bill.

2010 that a cap and trade system was a good way to hide a carbon tax from the public.
I suppose that could be why the Republicans came up with the idea. It was a Republican idea.

Most of the increase was recorded in Hillary Clintons State Department.
Do you know why they buy limos? Well at least at one reason. They are often ARMOURED. There are few if any armoured sedans.

How do you spell Hypocrites!
Republican.

Ethelred
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 07, 2011
Speaking of Randite, Fox has an op ed from a guy at the Ayn Rand Center on climate. I did not know there was such a place.
http
://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/06/03/four-dirty-secrets-about-clean-energy/

-Personally I am carbon-hype neutral, knowing that there deeper Reasons for programs of this magnitude. The energy and material tech developed as a result will be directly applicable to space colonization, and would not have been funded and developed without it.

Warming? Cooling? No matter. Only Progress and the Preservation of all that is good, are what matters.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (13) Jun 11, 2011
US federal ethanol subsidies also threaten food crisis.
Ethelred
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 11, 2011
All truth all the time from
http://blogs.the-...erclips/
Capt. Marjon puts to sea on the SPS Atlas Jerked, threatens crops and Evil Commie pinkos with food and slavery crisis.
You know its true because a RightWingLunaticSaidSoTM

Ethelred
ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (12) Jun 11, 2011
Govt failures across the board are threatening food supplies.
The US Corps of Engineers mismanagement of the rivers have flooded significant cropland.
US ethanol subsidies diverts corn to fuel.
Socialist policies in other countries limit crop production.
Just as a minor example, Raul has allowed people in Havana to have gardens to raise food for themselves and to sell.

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