Can't ban violent video sales to kids, court says

June 27, 2011 By JESSE J. HOLLAND , Associated Press

Court overturns ban on video game sales to kids (AP)

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Calif. State Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, holds up three video games after a news conference in San Francisco, Monday, June 27, 2011. The Supreme Court ruled Monday that it is unconstitutional to bar children from buying or renting violent video games, saying government doesn't have the authority to "restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed" despite complaints that the popular and fast-changing technology allows the young to simulate acts of brutality. Yee, who wrote the video game ban, told The Associated Press Monday that he was reading the dissents in hope of finding a way to reintroduce the law in a way it would be constitutional. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

(AP) -- States cannot ban the sale or rental of ultraviolent video games to children, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, rejecting such limits as a violation of young people's First Amendment rights and leaving it up to parents and the multibillion-dollar gaming industry to decide what kids can buy.

The high court, on a 7-2 vote, threw out California's 2005 law covering games sold or rented to those under 18, calling it an unconstitutional violation of free-speech rights. Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia, said, "Even where the protection of children is the object, the constitutional limits on governmental action apply."

Scalia, who pointed out the violence in a number of children's fairy tales, said that while states have legitimate power to protect children from harm, "that does not include a free-floating power to restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed."

Justices Stephen Breyer and Clarence Thomas dissented from the decision, with Breyer saying it makes no sense to legally block children's access to pornography yet allow them to buy or rent brutally violent video games.

"What sense does it make to forbid selling to a 13-year-old boy a magazine with an image of a nude woman, while protecting the sale to that 13-year-old of an interactive video game in which he actively, but virtually, binds and gags the woman, then tortures and kills her?" Breyer said.

Video games, said Scalia's majority opinion, fall into the same category as books, plays and movies as entertainment that "communicates ideas - and even social messages" deserving of First Amendment free-speech protection. And non-obscene speech "cannot be suppressed solely to protect the young from ideas or images that a legislative body thinks unsuitable for them," he said.

This decision follows the court's recent movement on First Amendment cases, with the justices throwing out attempts to ban animal cruelty videos, protests at military funerals and political speech by businesses.

The court will test those limits again next session when it takes up a new case involving government's effort to protect children from what they might see and hear. The justices agreed to review appeals court rulings that threw out Federal Communications Commission rules against the isolated use of expletives as well as fines against broadcasters who showed a woman's nude buttocks on a 2003 episode of ABC's "NYPD Blue."

The decision to hear the FCC case was one of the last the full court made this session. Before leaving on their annual summer break on Monday, the justices also:

- Voted 5-4 to strike down a provision of a campaign financing system in Arizona that gives extra cash to publicly funded candidates who face privately funded rivals and independent groups.

- Agreed to hear arguments in the fall or winter on whether police need a warrant before using a global positioning system device to track a suspect's movements.

- Refused to hear an appeal from former detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq who wanted to sue defense contractors over claims of abuse.

More than 46 million American households have at least one video-game system, with the industry bringing in at least $18 billion in 2010. The industry has set up its own rating system to warn parents which video games are appropriate for which ages, with the rating "M" placed on games that are considered to be especially violent and only for mature adults.

That system is voluntary, however. California's 2005 law would have prohibited anyone under 18 from buying or renting games that give players the option of "killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being." Parents would have been able to buy the games for their children, but retailers who sold directly to minors would have faced fines of up to $1,000 for each game sold.

That means that children would have needed an adult to get games like "Postal 2," the first-person shooter by developer Running With Scissors that includes the ability to light unarmed bystanders on fire. It would also apply to the popular "Grand Theft Auto" games, from Rockstar Games, that allow gamers to portray carjacking, gun-toting gangsters.

The California law never took effect. Lower courts have said that the law violated minors' constitutional rights, and that California lacked enough evidence to prove that violent games cause physical and psychological harm to minors. Courts in six other states, including Michigan and Illinois, reached similar conclusions, striking down similar bans.

Video game makers and sellers celebrated their victory, saying Monday's decision puts them on the same legal footing as other forms of entertainment. "There now can be no argument whether video games are entitled to the same protection as books, movies, music and other expressive entertainment," said Bo Andersen, president and CEO of the Entertainment Merchants Association.

But the battle may not be over. Leland Yee, a child psychologist and California state senator who wrote the video game ban, told The Associated Press Monday that he was reading the dissents in hopes of finding a way to reintroduce the law in a way that would be constitutional.

"It's disappointing the court didn't understand just how violent these games are," Yee told the AP.

Thomas argued in his separate dissent that the nation's founders never intended for free speech rights to "include a right to speak to minors (or a right of minors to access speech) without going through the minors' parents or guardians."

And at least two justices, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, indicated they would be willing to reconsider their votes under certain circumstances. "I would not squelch legislative efforts to deal with what is perceived by some to be a significant and developing social problem," Alito said, suggesting that a narrower state law might be upheld.

States can legally ban children from getting pornography. But Scalia said in his ruling that, unlike depictions of sexual conduct, there is no tradition in the United States of restricting children's access to depictions of violence. He noted the violence in the original depictions of many popular children's fairy tales such as Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella and Snow White.

Hansel and Gretel kill their captor by baking her in an oven, Cinderella's evil stepsisters have their eyes pecked out by doves and the evil queen in Snow White is forced to wear red hot slippers and dance until she is dead, Scalia said.

"Certainly the books we give children to read - or read to them when they are younger - contain no shortage of gore," he said.

And there is no proof that violent video games cause harm to children, or any more harm than another other form of entertainment, he said.

One doctor "admits that the same effects have been found when children watch cartoons starring Bugs Bunny or the Road Runner or when they play video games like Sonic the Hedgehog that are rated `E' or even when they `view a picture of a gun," Scalia said.

Tim Winter, president of the Parents Television Council, said the decision created a constitutionally authorized "end-run on parental authority."

"I wonder what other First Amendment right does a child have against their parents' wishes?" he said. "Does a child now have a constitutional right to bear arms if their parent doesn't want them to buy a gun? How far does this extend? It's certainly concerning to us that something as simple as requiring a parental oversight to purchase an adult product has been undermined by the court."

The case is Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, 08-1448.

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Deadbolt
Jun 27, 2011

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Kids simulate acts of brutality in their minds before they play games. Almost all humans, good and bad, have some level of attraction to violence in them, otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent, not only in US culture, but across the entire world of cultures.

Human beings had to enjoy violence on some level, because the ones who enjoyed it more were more inclined to hunt whereas others who were held back by competing emotions such as fear were left at a disadvantage, and similarly in tribe-tribe conflict.

Obviously, good conscionable members of society don't go around bashing each others brains in, but that's the difference between a normal person and a psychopath; it's not that normal people don't feel violent urges at all, it's just that psychopaths feel them far more strongly, and have less of the mediating emotions/drives that normal people have.

An average human child is actually quite violent minded. Banning violent games doesn't change that in any way.
paulthebassguy
Jun 27, 2011

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The most important thing is making sure that children understand the line between reality and games.

It's fine to play a violent game as long as they don't do anything violent in real life.
Mauricio
Jun 27, 2011

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Spontaneous imitation by children is a phenomenon that has been widely studied and well confirmed.

Children are exposed to violent scenes where the perpetrator is glorified = children imitating the behaviors modeled by the perpetrator.

This is about business, it is not about scientific evidence or morality..... the system is highly immoral and we know that.
farmerpat42
Jun 28, 2011

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The ending quote, I have an issue with:

"I wonder what other First Amendment right does a child have against their parents' wishes?" he said. "Does a child now have a constitutional right to bear arms if their parent doesn't want them to buy a gun? How far does this extend? It's certainly concerning to us that something as simple as requiring a parental oversight to purchase an adult product has been undermined by the court."

Who says the child has a right to undermine their parents? If a minor buys a game, the parents take it away, the minor still has no recourse.

Most stores won't sell M rated games to minors anyhow.
axemaster
Jun 28, 2011

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Kids who wind up doing bad stuff later on in life typically have mental illnesses of one sort or another. Video games have absolutely no influence whatsoever on their ultimate actions.
Skeptic_Heretic
Jun 28, 2011

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Spontaneous imitation by children is a phenomenon that has been widely studied and well confirmed.
The ability to seperate fantasy from reality has also been well confirmed. It appears you aren't paying attention.
Children are exposed to violent scenes where the perpetrator is glorified = children imitating the behaviors modeled by the perpetrator.
Considering that videogame sales are one of the largest media industries on the planet, and the majority fo games come with a restrictive rating, one would wonder why children aren't killing off their contemporaries if your stance is accurate. Good thing your stance is not.
This is about business, it is not about scientific evidence or morality..... the system is highly immoral and we know that.
According to who?
Vendicar_Decarian
Jun 28, 2011

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Hmmmm... Let me get this straight....

The sale to minors, of pictures and stories of two people making love to each other can continue to be prohibited, but the sale to children of movies, pictures and stories of people brutally killing each other can not be similarly prohibited.

Such decisions, my dear children, is one reason why American Society continues to devolve into brutal, violent, mindless, chaos.

Vendicar_Decarian
Jun 28, 2011

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"Considering that videogame sales are one of the largest media industries on the planet...." - Heritic

You are absolutely right. The Conservative court ruling was made to protect the interests of American corporations rather than the interests of the American people.

GSwift7
Jun 29, 2011

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You are absolutely right. The Conservative court ruling was made to protect the interests of American corporations rather than the interests of the American people


I think it is more accurate to call it a libertarian court ruling. The issue isn't about morality, business or politics. The issue is about the Constitution. This issue has been tested in Courts many times before. I do not see why a new form of media should change the legal precendents. The movie industry solved this issue by voluntarily censorship. Contrary to popular belief, there is no law that says a child can't go to a rated R movie. If you don't want teenagers to be exposed to violence, then you better amend the high school reading lists. Pretty much all Shakespear will need to go on the censorship list. Oh, and I guess we won't be teaching history any more either. Wouldn't want to talk about wars or plagues. Oh, and we're going to need to cut a few parts out of the Bible too. Evening news too.
GSwift7
Jun 29, 2011

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The problem here is that you run into subjective value judgements. What if I feel that it is in my child's best interest that I teach her about self defense and how to fire guns. What if I think exposing her to violent video games makes here a stronger and more competitive person, who is better prepared for the realities of adult life? Who gets to decide where the cut-off point is? As it stands, it is up to parents to be the moral compas of their own house. That is how our Constitution is designed. It isn't up to the Government to run your house, it is up to YOU. If you want to restrict your children, then you should be allowed to do that, and if you don't want to restrict your children then the Government doesn't have a right to tell you that you must.
GSwift7
Jun 29, 2011

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If anything, it is the social conservative extreme right wing who is trying to force this censorship onto us. To call the court ruling a conservative ruling is completely backwards. The pro-free speech crowd, like the American Civil Liberties Union, is a totally left of center organization. Trying to characterize this as some kind of pro-business ruling is silly. You are falling hook line and sinker for the propaganda that the neo-fascist book-burning nazis are trying to force onto you. Go put on your arm band and your thigh high boots if you think government censorship of media is a good thing. Oh, and buy a one way ticket to Cuba, cause we don't need that here.
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