$25,000, 350-mile-per-charge electric car could be reality by 2017, DOE says

May 25, 2011 By Susan Carpenter

In an event flanked with all the electric cars that have recently come to market, and a handful of those that are poised for sale later this year, U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu and L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa flipped the switch May 13 on the 500th electric-vehicle charging station installed by Coulomb Technologies as part of its ChargePoint America network.

Coulomb, based in Campbell, Calif., received $15 million last year from the , and $22 million in private funds, to install 4,600 chargers across the country by the end of 2011. About 1,600 are slated for California, 210 of which have so far been installed. L.A. currently has 71 Coulomb charging stations, including the one installed today in the California Science Center parking lot.

"The Department of Energy is happy to be a part of this [event], but more importantly we're very happy to be really trying to push for the of vehicles in the U.S.," Chu said. "The reason is very simple. We have to diversify our ."

may be in flux right now, he said, but developing countries' demand for limited oil resources will continue to push prices higher. He noted that China sold 16.7 million vehicles in 2010 and will sell 20 million cars annually within the next couple of years. The U.S. sold 12 million cars last year.

"Because of increased demand, we've got to think of all the other things we can do in transportation. The best is efficiency," Chu said.

Batteries are the "heart" of , he said, adding that the Department of Energy is funding research that will drop the cost of electric-vehicle batteries 50 percent in the next three or four years and double or triple their within six years so "you can go from Los Angeles to Las Vegas on a single charge," he said. "These are magical distances. To buy a car that will cost $20,000 to $25,000 without a subsidy, where you can go 350 miles is our goal."

Chu said he is working to change the $7,500 federal tax credit for electric vehicle purchases to a $7,500 rebate, so EV buyers can get an immediate discount on an EV purchase. Currently, they have to wait until they file their tax returns.

Three years ago, the U.S. made less than 1 percent of advanced batteries in the world, Chu said. Investments in battery research through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will help build 30 new U.S. battery manufacturing plants, aiding security as well as job creation.

"Every time we ship one of these (charging stations), three people go to work for a day: one to build it and two people to install it," said Coulomb Technologies President Richard Lowenthal. "It's a great job creation benefit to all of us.... Not just jobs, but creating an industry."

According to Villaraigosa, "What L.A. has made crystal clear is that the American Recovery Act has helped us put people back to work. It's created jobs, and invested in technology and infrastructure."

L.A.'s infrastructural improvements will continue with the upgrades of 90 existing electric charging stations owned by the city. As many as 400 others also are slated for upgrades in L.A. and surrounding cities, Villaraigosa said.

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NotParker
2 / 5 (21) May 25, 2011
Imagine if the trillions wasted by Obama had been spent on something useful.
pt30
4.3 / 5 (17) May 25, 2011
Imagine if the trillions wasted by Obama had been spent on something useful.

Not to mention the trillions wasted by the guy before him.
spectator
3.6 / 5 (25) May 25, 2011
Imagine if the trillions wasted by Obama had been spent on something useful.

Not to mention the trillions wasted by the guy before him.


The primary reason for the deficit is the fact Bush and the republicans cut taxes on the very wealthy for going on 11 years now, and intentionally drove up the deficits so they could fabricate this crisis in the first place.

The Republicans want to take everyone back to before they had social justices, before there were monopoly laws, before minimum wage laws, etc, when there were labor wars and companies killed their own employees for asking for a raise...and got away with it, and the rich own absolutely everything.

That's what Ron Paul's wet dreams are about.

He gets a rise out of thinking about kicking gramma to the curb.

So what if a third of the country starves, or must go back to living like it's a third world country...no sweat off his back...
Bob_Wallace
4.6 / 5 (11) May 25, 2011
If you wish to see where our current financial problems came from you can take a look at the graph on this page...

http://tpmdc.talk...ef=fpblg

EVs - our route to saving a billion dollars a day spent on foreign oil and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on oil wars.....
John_balls
4.6 / 5 (9) May 25, 2011
It's a technical reality now but someone will have to have the nuts to build them.

If we just took some of those trillions spent in foreign misadventures around the world the federal government could of made them themselves.
SemiNerd
4.5 / 5 (6) May 25, 2011
If you wish to see where our current financial problems came from you can take a look at the graph on this page...

http://tpmdc.talk...ef=fpblg

EVs - our route to saving a billion dollars a day spent on foreign oil and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on oil wars.....

This chart constains numbers that I do not see reflected in reality. TARP has been almost completely repaid and will probably end up in making a profit, yet it shows a continuing effect on the deficit. That cant be right.

But back to the article. I would definitely buy a $25,000 electric car with a 350 mile range. My 2005 hybrid will definitely be ready to change out by then.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (44) May 25, 2011
"Imagine if the trillions wasted by Obama had been spent on something useful." - NotParker

Imagine the decades long 40% or higher unemployment rate in the U.S. if Obama hadn't "wasted" that trillion.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (41) May 25, 2011
"The primary reason for the deficit is the fact Bush and the republicans cut taxes on the very wealthy for going on 11 years now, and intentionally drove up the deficits so they could fabricate this crisis in the first place." - Spectator

Correct.

"We must manufacture an crisis in order to assure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995.

"Starve the best of Government though fiscal insolvancy." - Republian party slogan.
spectator
2.4 / 5 (5) May 25, 2011
"Imagine if the trillions wasted by Obama had been spent on something useful." - NotParker

Imagine the decades long 40% or higher unemployment rate in the U.S. if Obama hadn't "wasted" that trillion.


Eventually, some new form of economics is going to be required anyway.

Automation replaces more and more jobs every day.

Then we continue to import people, especially illegals, who eat up more and more jobs among those jobs that remain, when any rational civilization in our present jobs crisis would close it's borders to immigration completely.

Robotic payment processing, ordering, and automated trouble shooting, and other automations and internet, and smart phones have replaced entry level tech support, telephone operators, receptionist, book store chains, local movie rental, production jobs, fork lift jobs, anything at all that a computer or primitive robot can do...

AT some point, there will be no jobs and they won't return.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.5 / 5 (37) May 25, 2011
"Eventually, some new form of economics is going to be required anyway." - Spectator

Work should be made scarce and rationed among the public so that they are not perpetual wage slaves.
jscroft
1.8 / 5 (15) May 25, 2011
Eventually, some new form of economics is going to be required anyway.


ROTFLOL! Yah, genius, remember the LAST "New Economy"? Holy smokes, you Socialists make my head hurt.

Hey, I know! Let's finally knock together a working cold fusion reactor, and then there'll be plenty to go around for everybody! All we need is a New Form Of Physics, right?

We'll all just BELIEVE really hard, and everything will work the way we want it to.
PhotonX
not rated yet May 25, 2011
For the U.S., why not an annual taxpayer lottery, say a billion dollars every year for the next ten years, to get these things on the roads. Even at $40,000 a pop, this would put 25,000 domestically-produced plug-in hybrids (e.g. Chevy Volt) on the road annually, more when prices soften to the $25,000 mentioned in this article. This would guarantee minimum production numbers for Chevy, provide domestic stimulus for Detriot, and put a dent in moving gasoline engines off the roads (not to mention an incentive to file tax returns on time). Hell, make it $7 Billion a year, the cost of one month in Iraq.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.7 / 5 (39) May 26, 2011
"ROTFLOL! Yah, genius, remember the LAST "New Economy"?" - IsTard

The last new economy that I remember was when ConservaTards were claiming that By Borrowing a trillion dollars plus, Ronald Reagan had "repealed the business cycle".

Is that what you are referring to?

What I am referring to is a reorganizing of the economy so that the public are not locked into a labor class like the current one where products and labor is created in order to produce products that are designed to fail prematurely so that a market for new products is artificially created.

That is the current economic system. It is a system in which 80 to 90 percent of all labor is ultimately non-productive, and in fact environmentally destructive.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (44) May 26, 2011
"For the U.S., why not an annual taxpayer lottery, say a billion dollars every year for the next ten years, to get these things on the roads. - PhotonX

America's war crime in Iraq is estimated to have a total cost of $3 to $4 trillion.

For that cost, using retail pricing, the entire U.S. electric grid could have been converted to solar.

That is how much of a disaster the Conservatard Bush Presidency was.
Bigblumpkin36
1 / 5 (7) May 26, 2011
What about the educated making less than labor workers, this country needs another revolution.
PS3
2.6 / 5 (5) May 26, 2011
Why can't bill gates just give the money to get the ball rolling like his partner did for UFO searching.
SemiNerd
3 / 5 (6) May 26, 2011
What about the educated making less than labor workers, this country needs another revolution.

Then... why would anyone get educated? If everyone was illiterate, then I guess we wouldn't have to worry about medical care, engineering, science, etc.

I wish there was an IQ filter on these posts. Even setting it to IQ >= 75 would eliminate this post.
Paul65
3.7 / 5 (3) May 26, 2011
Mr Chu says "the Department of Energy is funding research that will drop the cost of electric-vehicle batteries 50 percent in the next three or four years and double or triple their energy density" Where is he getting this information from? Who are the people doing this research and where can I get information about them?
vdoomer
1 / 5 (2) May 26, 2011
Then... why would anyone get educated? If everyone was illiterate, then I guess we wouldn't have to worry about medical care, engineering, science, etc.


He was making an observation, not a recommendation.
DoubleD
1 / 5 (1) May 26, 2011
Imagine if the trillions wasted by Obama had been spent on something useful.

Not to mention the trillions wasted by the guy before him.


And the guy before him, and the guy before him, and the guy before him....
spectator
3 / 5 (6) May 26, 2011
Eventually, some new form of economics is going to be required anyway.


ROTFLOL! Yah, genius, remember the LAST "New Economy"? Holy smokes, you Socialists make my head hurt.


It has very little to do with socialism.

In a world where many aspects of Jetsons technology are about to be realized, the logical conclusion is that Capitalism will fail.

"Jetson" has no need to drive his flying car to the factory, since, in the coming decades, "Mr. Spacely" can press the button from home, and the robots will repair and maintain one another.

The logical conclusion of this is that Capitalism will fail simply because there will not be jobs of any kind except research and engineering, and there won't be a need for 6 billion engineers, since once you've made most of what people need the demand drops off. Particularly with super materials like graphene which won't break except in the most extreme circumstances...
spectator
2.3 / 5 (6) May 26, 2011
And because in capitalism you can only buy food and clothes if you have currency, and you can only get those things if you have income...

Then what will eventually happen is there will be permanent 50% to 75% unemployment in a few decades when robots and automation replace all of the low and middle skilled jobs.

Even the number of medical jobs will shrink for two reasons:

1) Since there will be fewer people working manual labor, and fewer people commuting to work of any kind, therefore fewer accidents and injuries, therefore fewer doctors and nurses needed in triage.

2) Advances in drugs and nanotechnology will eradicate several "problem" viruses and bacteria over the next 10 to 20 years or so. It HAS happened before completely with Small Pox, and almost completely with Polio and Plague.

So while the medical industry will grow, the number of "jobs" and "careers" will plateau around 10 to 15 years from now, and then shrink starting 20 to 25 years from now.
spectator
2.6 / 5 (5) May 26, 2011
Capitalism will fail, because those 50% to 75% unemployed people will have a rebellion and destroy everything unless the rich people agree to some reasonable form of social justice and equality.
lurch
3.7 / 5 (3) May 26, 2011
Nope, the powerful will just send us all off to the future equivalent of Australia, like they did last time they wanted their gardens back. When they have replaced all us workers with robots the gods will reappear and point out that they have no need for middle management and send them off too.
ricarguy
1.8 / 5 (4) May 26, 2011
Purchasing a 350 mile electric vehicle for $25K sounds great, but I'll believe it when I see it. While only 1/3 as efficient in terms of the self-contained energy conversion, modern conventional vehicles make more sense today because the energy density of gasoline or diesel is an order of magnitude better than any mass produced battery. If the resulting 3:1 gap can be closed while becoming more affordable and improving charge rates and sufficient infrastructure improvements (additional big challenges) electric vehicles can take off.

2017 sounds pretty ambitious for any of 2 of those to be ready for a mass production. Keep in mind that Mr. Chu works as part of a very effective political machine, the Obama administration. This "news" story is part of a re-election campaign if you ask me. Please forgive my cynicism but I've heard similar claims before.

As for the rest of the above postings' socialist drivel I have to ask, How can so many supposedly smart people be so dumb?
NotParker
2 / 5 (12) May 26, 2011
Obama and Democrats wasted trillions. Bush billions.

As for perpetual high unemployment ... yes, that will be Obama's legacy.

23% if you count discouraged workers.

http://grantlawre...ate.html
that_guy
5 / 5 (1) May 26, 2011
I agree with ricarguy that we should have some on-topic posts here as well.

What i like about my phone, is if I need a little juice, i can plug it in for 15 minutes, and get enough charge to do something useful.

If I had an electric car that could get a three quarters charge in 20 or 30 minutes, then it wouldn't bother me if it only got 100 or 150 miles to a charge.

IMHO, the reason why range is so important is because if you need to make an extra trip and don't have the charge for it, you're basically boned.

If it's just a minor detour, like going to the gas station, then range wouldn't have such a premium - because most of the charging will be done at home anyways.

I think the worst case scenario (In addition to price currently) are the main roadblocks to EV vehicles right now.
lengould100
5 / 5 (2) May 26, 2011
I see a lot of the "I got mine" inheritance-supported anti-socilalists are out. When will they get revolutionized? LOL.
Simonsez
not rated yet May 28, 2011
I am willing to bet a considerable amount of money that when these EVs come out, they will be (in my opinion) aesthetically ugly cars not unlike the Leaf, Prius, Focus and Element you see driving around today.

I have said before and I will say again: until the auto industry starts designing car bodies for environmentally-friendly and fuel economy-friendly vehicles that look like sports and luxury cars of decades past instead of lumpy boxes of plastic, these cars will never sell like they should. The truth is, the powers that be want continued oil dependence and therefore it is inevitable that gas-guzzlers will be beautiful, sleek machines and eco-friendly cars will be boxy, lumpy garbage only the pretentious will buy.
sstritt
1 / 5 (2) May 28, 2011
How many charging stations will need to be built nationwide to support the millions of cars expected to be purchased in the next ten yrs? What about the burden on the electric grid? Will solar and wind really be up to the task of charging all these new electric cars? I think I'd like a nice CNG burning vehicle.
Na_Reth
not rated yet May 28, 2011
What burden on the electric grid? If we need more electricity we can always burn the oil in a controlled and more efficient way in power plants.
Husky
5 / 5 (2) May 29, 2011
at least cutting down on foreign oil for transportation is some goal that both many republicans and democrats can agree upon and would bring the country forward regardless of who is in the oval office.
freethinking
1.4 / 5 (9) May 29, 2011
I'm all for getting rid of the internal combustion engine. However if it makes sense and it can be profitable, private industry will make it happen.

However, if Obama is elected again and he keeps the current inflation at 10% $25K wont buy much of anything. If he keeps current policies going, a loaf of bread will cost $25K and we will have 50%+ unemployment.

FYI everyone, the Democrats have been controlling the purse strings for approx 6 years now, and it was Democratic policies (with stupid republicans allowing it to continue) that caused this curent economic mess.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (36) May 30, 2011
What is it about self proclaimed "Free Thinkers" that makes them all Libertarian Liars?

"if Obama is elected again and he keeps the current inflation at 10%" - Freethinker.

U.S. inflation rate as of April 2011 3.16%.

http://inflationd...tion.asp

Vendicar_Decarian
0.1 / 5 (34) May 30, 2011
"I see a lot of the "I got mine" inheritance-supported anti-socilalists are out. When will they get revolutionized?" - Lengould

It will start before this decade is out. Keep your knife sharp.
Bog_Mire
not rated yet May 30, 2011
Hope the headline comes true. Now if we could just do something about big industry been given a free pass on polluting processes in the name of investment and super profits for shareholders. Then we may have some hope.
FrankHerbert
0.8 / 5 (49) May 30, 2011
What is it about self proclaimed "Free Thinkers" that makes them all Libertarian Liars?

"if Obama is elected again and he keeps the current inflation at 10%" - Freethinker.

U.S. inflation rate as of April 2011 3.16%.

http://inflationd...tion.asp



LOL, freethinker isn't just a troglodyte. He's also dishonest, and bad at it.
freethinking
1 / 5 (4) May 30, 2011
Progressives are as stupid as they sound. 10% is the real inflation rate, unless your a lying progressive

http://finance.ya...html?x=0

http://escapetyra...e-index/

http://buckyville...on-rates

FrankHerbert
0.8 / 5 (49) May 31, 2011
Look at the baby! Aww, he doesn't understand economics. Soooo cute!
freethinking
1.6 / 5 (7) May 31, 2011
FrankHerber, your lack of knowledge on economics and history issues speak for itself and can be sumed up as: facts don't matter, whatever Obama (or any Progressive) says is true because they wouldn't lie, and if they do lie its because they are lying for a good cause.

Also Progressives such as yourself and SH think nothing was wrong with, and would like to to following Great Progressives such a Mao and enact reform through labor campaigns, or three-anti/five-anti campaigns. You probably even want to enact stuggle sessions and have a great leap forward campaign here in the US.