Storage for spent nuclear fuel more crucial than ever

April 27, 2011 By David L. Chandler

Storage for spent nuclear fuel more crucial than ever

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The United States and other countries around the world looking to nuclear power for their energy needs must consider how spent fuel will be handled as they construct new plants and examine existing ones, especially in light of the recent crisis in Japan, according to a comprehensive study from MIT.

The ongoing problems at ’s Fukushima Daiichi powerplant — caused by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami — have been significantly exacerbated by the presence of used fuel housed in the reactor buildings, and demonstrate the urgency needed in dealing with such waste, the report’s authors say. It specifically underscores the importance of finding a way to deal with the growing amount of spent nuclear fuel housed at existing U.S. nuclear plants.

The report, a summary of which was released last September, strongly recommends that an interim solution be developed to remove spent fuel from storage facilities at reactor sites, and move it to regional, medium-term repositories where the fuel can be monitored and protected as it decays over time. Spent fuel loses much of its radioactivity with every passing decade, as the most dangerous radioactive isotopes decay and lose much of their potency during the first 50 years, thus diminishing the problem of long-term storage.

Planning for the ultimate handling of spent nuclear fuel “has frankly been an afterthought in U.S. fuel-cycle policy,” said Ernest J. Moniz, director of the MIT Energy Initiative (MITEI) and co-chairman of the new report, at a press conference today to introduce the report. “It can’t be that,” he said. Instead, “it should be integrated” into the overall planning for the nation’s energy policies and “the U.S. should move toward centralized spent nuclear fuel storage.”

While the situation in Japan has not changed any of the basic conclusions of the study, called “The Future of the Nuclear Fuel Cycle,” the study’s executive director Charles Forsberg, a research scientist in MIT’s Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering, said the recent crisis “will place more emphasis on getting a geological repository program up and running” for permanent storage of the United States’ spent nuclear fuel. Doing so, the study says, faces no real scientific hurdles, and is essentially a social and political issue at this point.

Even before the problems in Japan, Moniz said, there had been “increased interest in Congress, among the chairs of relevant committees” on looking at options for interim spent fuel storage. In response to a question, Moniz said that the right time for the United States to start looking seriously into how to set up regional interim storage facilities “was a few years ago.”

Consequences of Japan’s nuclear crisis

But there are other possible impacts on the global future of in the aftermath of the Japanese crisis, where four reactors at the Fukushima plant were crippled and work continues to bring the situation fully under control. In a postscript to the report’s introduction, the authors point out two other likely consequences, at least in the short run: The cost of new nuclear plants is likely to increase, as a result of the increased perception of risk associated with such plants, which will raise the cost of capital for plant construction; and public support for a resurgence of nuclear power, which had been growing in the United States, is likely to suffer at least a temporary setback. Already, several countries have suspended or delayed plans for new nuclear plants or for extending the operating lifetime of existing plants.

One important factor that might help counter the erosion of public support for a renewal of nuclear power as a result of the Japanese crisis is to put clear policies in place now for dealing with the spent fuel, Moniz said. “Solving the nuclear waste problem does influence public attitudes,” he said.

Because of repeated delays in creating a national long-term storage repository for spent nuclear fuel (SNF), U.S. nuclear reactor sites already house more spent fuel than those in Japan, Forsberg noted. That confirms the study’s existing conclusions about the need for a comprehensive U.S. policy on spent fuel, to replace the present ad-hoc policy.

The Japanese crisis “will place a greater emphasis on our recommendation for centralized storage or disposal in a repository with the option of SNF recovery,” Forsberg said, referring to the report’s suggestion that used fuel be stored in such a way that it could easily be recovered later if the nation decides to pursue a nuclear program based on reprocessing it to produce new fuel for a future generation of reactors.

The full 253-page interdisciplinary study, released today, was produced under the auspices of MITEI and co-chaired by Moniz, the Cecil and Ida Green Distinguished Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems, and TEPCO Professor of Nuclear Engineering Mujid Kazimi, who also is director of the Center for Advanced Nuclear Energy Systems.

The latest in a series of broad-based MITEI studies of different aspects of energy, this report was produced by 10 faculty members, three contributing authors and eight student research assistants, with guidance from a 13-member expert advisory panel comprising members from industry, academia and nonprofit organizations; it took about two years to produce.

Improving efficiency through design

The study suggests that nuclear power can play a significant part in displacing carbon-emitting fossil-fuel plants, and thus help to reduce the potential for global climate change. About half of existing nuclear powerplants around the world — and all of those in the — use a once-through fuel cycle, in which fuel rods are sent to a disposal site after a single use in the reactor, rather than being reprocessed for future use. But to decide on the best kind of fuel cycle for the anticipated next generation of nuclear powerplants — whether it should continue to be a once-through system, or one using partial or full reprocessing for a “closed-loop” system — will require more research, the report concludes.

As long as demand for new nuclear plants continues at rates similar to those experienced so far, there is no danger of running out of uranium in the next several decades, the report concludes. But, Kazimi said, “If demand starts to grow more rapidly, we will need more efficient fuel cycles.”

One promising possibility, the study suggests, is an enriched uranium-initiated breeder reactor in which fissile materials bred inside the reactor are recycled, and additional uranium is added to the reactor core at the same rate that nuclear materials are consumed. In such a system, no excess nuclear materials are produced, leading to a simple and efficient self-sustaining fuel cycle. However, there is little hard data on whether such a cycle would be practical and economically competitive. One of the report’s major conclusions is that more research is needed before such decisions can be made.

There has been much interest in recent years in advanced reactor designs such as small, self-contained modular reactors or ones that use passive cooling systems that reduce or eliminate the need to keep water circulating. As Moniz said, “Moving to any of these smaller reactors does not change the choice of fuel cycle,” and so was outside the scope of this study. But Andrew Kadak SM ’70, PhD ’72, a member of the study panel and former MIT Professor of the Practice of Nuclear Energy, said that so far “the industry has not taken this [possibility of small modular plants] seriously,” pointing out that none have been ordered so far.

A holistic approach

One key message of the report is that it’s time to really study the underlying basis of nuclear-plant technology — what kind of fuel goes in, what comes out, and what happens to it then — before focusing too much money and effort on the engineering details of specific powerplant designs.

The report also supports the current U.S. policy of providing loan guarantees for the first several new nuclear plants to be built after the current three-decade hiatus, in order to reduce the risks of new construction and thus reduce or eliminate financing premiums for nuclear plant construction.

The study, unlike most earlier examinations of possible future nuclear plants, looked comprehensively at all the various components — from mining to reactor operation all the way through to waste disposal — in a holistic way. It was funded by the Electric Power Research Institute, Idaho National Laboratory, Nuclear Energy Institute, Areva, GE-Hitachi, Westinghouse, Energy Solutions and NAC International.

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KBK
Apr 27, 2011

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We're still fighting the war on the actual solution to the true solution to the nuclear fuel storage and disposal issue.

Brown's gas works on the molecular energetic exchange level. It will sublimate any even mildly resistive aspect in any material, be it solids or liquids. Browns gas will not heat water, due to it's electron orbital pathways and orientation/polarization. However, it will interact with the considerations of ANY radioactive material and it will alter the molecular considerations (by breakdown at the orbital level) from which the emission issues are emanating.

Taking a browns gas torch and passing it over solid fuel rods or any nuclear waste, will and does (on Canadian governmental record -videotaped government test) to the point of liquification, which takes seconds..will render the given material NON-RADIOACTIVE.

I own one of these devices.

Ask yourself why you can't have this perfect and working solution to this dilemma. It is proactively banned and shunned.
rgwalther
Apr 27, 2011

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Bring all the stuff to my house. Here in Kentucky we shoot rev'noors. There should be enough extra heat to keep the still hot and the greenhouse warm.
Skeptic_Heretic
Apr 27, 2011

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I have a great place to put it.

In a Gen 4 reactor, a TWR, or an FBR.
Javinator
Apr 27, 2011

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However, it will interact with the considerations of ANY radioactive material and it will alter the molecular considerations (by breakdown at the orbital level) from which the emission issues are emanating.


This doesn't make sense.

Atoms are radioactive because they're unstable. The atoms become unstable due to the ratio of neutrons to protons in the nucleus. Light nuclei are generally at a ratio of 1n:1p, while heavier elements can be up to 1.6n:1p when stable. When heavy atoms are split by fission they create two fission fragments with n:p ratios that are too high. Also, all elements can absorb neutrons (generally expelled from a fission reaction as well) and their n:p ratio is thrown off as well.

The release of energy (ie. radiation) can come from either loss of 2 protons and 2 neutrons at once (alpha radiation), from the loss of a positron or electron from the nucleus shifting the atomic number of the nucleus up or down (beta radiation), or from a release of gammas.
Javinator
Apr 27, 2011

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The gammas are a release of energy coming from relaxation and redistribution of protons and neutrons within the nucleus of an atom.

Radiation has little to do with molecules and "molecular considerations" and all to do with the stability of the nuclei.

Taking a browns gas torch and passing it over solid fuel rods or any nuclear waste, will and does (on Canadian governmental record -videotaped government test) to the point of liquification, which takes seconds..will render the given material NON-RADIOACTIVE.


Nuclear meltdowns are quite radioactive and get significantly hotter than an oxyhydrogen torch, so I can tell you pretty definitively that liquefying used nuclear fuel does not render the radiation harmless.
aeolius
Apr 27, 2011

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There is no free lunch.Or a clean source of energy. So we must decide which poison we want. From fossil fuels or radioactivity. Right now we are altering terrestrial ecologies with CO2 etc.
I suggest that the least invasive method is Nuclear power with deep sea trench burial of vitrified high-level waste. We will alter some unique ecosystems there but better those then those bound to be disturbed by global warming.
I expect that this disposal will shortly be started by the Japanese.
pres68y
Apr 28, 2011

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I agree with "aeolius" on the deep sea burial, at least for the short term (a few decades).
That is until the political path is opened for irradiation of nuclear waste.
They are able to do it for use in "depleted uranium" bombs to kill more people but there is not the incentive to do it to save peoples lives.
I remember an interview with Glenn Seaborg, back in the 1960s, that if they needed to they could make the radioactive waste about as "active as lead" by using selective irradiation.
hush1
Apr 28, 2011

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Before we build nuclear power plants, let's perfect the art of artificial transmutation. It was not possible to post this message in 1938, the alleged year of fission discovery, because internet wasn't around then. So, following the motto, it is better to post too late, than never have posted at all. Sorry.

Of course, this fits with the new physics picture that time is really an illusion. Only time will tell.

Actually, because hindsight is 100%, as much effort to build the bomb as to perfecting artificial transmutation appears as the 'correct' human history now. Of course, Germans don't challenge us with 'imminent' 'lost' of war. Nature challenges us with extinction. Of course, we don't understand this 'war'.
At least I posted this message without hindsight or delay.
hush1
Apr 28, 2011

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"lost" = "loss" Typo correction.
ShotmanMaslo
Apr 28, 2011

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I think low prices of uranium may be part of the reason why nuclear waste is still a problem. If the fuel was more expensive, it would make sense to develop higher burnup reactors and breeder reactors. Also, advanced nuclear has been neglected for a long time due to cheap fossil fuels and anti-nuclear fearmongering.
ShotmanMaslo
Apr 28, 2011

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http://en.wikiped...vantages

Thorium molten salt breeder reactors:
- passively safe
- high efficiency
- very small amount of shortlived waste
- breeder reactor produces more fuel than it consumes
- easily scalable
- nuclear weapons proliferation resistant
- molten salt fuel reactors are not experimental. Several have been constructed and operated at 650 °C temperatures for extended times, with simple, practical validated designs. There is no need for new science and very little risk in engineering new, larger or modular designs.

Seriously, why are we not using and developning this? There is even no need for fusion power if thorium molten salt reactors become widespread! We could have clean nuclear energy in the 70s if uranium reactors were not preferred over thorium for political reasons (need for fissile material for bombs)..
ShotmanMaslo
Apr 28, 2011

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http://en.wikiped..._reactor

Thorium molten salt breeder reactors:
- passively safe
- high efficiency
- very small amount of shortlived waste
- breeder reactor produces more fuel than it consumes, and there is much more thorium than uranium on Earth
- no need for expensive fuel fabrication
- easily scalable
- nuclear weapons proliferation resistant
- molten salt fuel reactors are not experimental. Several have been constructed and operated at 650 °C temperatures for extended times, with simple, practical validated designs. There is no need for new science and very little risk in engineering new, larger or modular designs.

Seriously, why are we not using and developning this? There is even no need for fusion power if thorium molten salt reactors become widespread! We could have clean nuclear energy in the 70s if uranium reactors were not preferred over thorium for political reasons (need for fissile material for bombs)..
Skeptic_Heretic
Apr 28, 2011

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Thorium molten salt breeder reactors:
Seriously, why are we not using and developning this?
Fear after the one in Detroit burned down. Sodium fire and a poorly trained fire department were to blame.
ShotmanMaslo
Apr 28, 2011

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Yeah, but that was sodium (highly reactive metal) cooled reactor, not molten salt (flouride salt - far more inert).
antialias
Apr 28, 2011

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Thorium molten salt breeder reactors:

And you might be interested to know that every one of those built (with the exception of one in Russia) is now offline.
Why is that if they are so safe or econonmical? Well: They aren't. They are not 'passively safe'. Blockage of the salt flow will produce partial meltdown (as has already occured in one such reactor - which was sodium not salt cooled - but the problem is the same). And compared to other types of reactors they are exorbitantly expensive - which kills any advantage they would have over alternative energy sources.

Two are still being built in India and one in Russia. India sits has the largest reservoirs for thorium which is probably why they think it makes sense.
Skeptic_Heretic
Apr 28, 2011

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Yeah, but that was sodium (highly reactive metal) cooled reactor, not molten salt (flouride salt - far more inert).

You're referring to Cryolite, otherwise known as Sodium hexafluoroaluminate, which was the coolant utilized in the Detroit reactor. It is still highly reactive when exposed to air, as it was in Detroit.
ShotmanMaslo
Apr 28, 2011

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Well, wait you two, you seem to not get me. :) I was not talking about molten salt cooled but solid fueled reactors. While they offer many advantages over current designs (mainly in efficiency, some in safety), some points I mentioned above dont apply to them.

I was talking about true molten salt reactors where the FUEL mixture itself is a molten salt of fissile metals,not solid fuel rods. Such reactors are inherently safe.

These are relevant experimental reactors:

http://en.wikiped...periment

http://en.wikiped..._reactor

Liquid fueled reactors are certainly not "exorbiantly expensive", and potential to decrease costs is massive. Here is an interesting study regarding the costs and longterm advantages of thorium power and some reasons why was is not pursued as it should have been:
http://www.thoriu...aves.pdf
ShotmanMaslo
Apr 28, 2011

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ShotmanMaslo
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holoman
Apr 30, 2011

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The day of nuclear power is coming to an end. Fact

I am glad that no tornadoes hit a nuke plant on east cost.

They are expensive to build, takes years to commission and
decommission.

Nuclear waste already fills >2,000 hazardous waste sites.

Yucca and other depositories are shutdown, not in my backyard.

And breeders are filthy particle emitting reactors, don't want
to live withing 300 miles of one.

We need to look a renewable technologies that HAVEN'T been
developed yet.

Sepp
May 01, 2011

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What a novel thought! We should consider where to store the highly radioactive leftovers before constructing new atomic power stations.

But the question is: Why only now? Did we not know that before? Have we been so blind to consequences of our actions that it took an MIT study to tell us we should consider the future?

Another novel thought: Perhaps we should consider how to obtain our energy without fission that leaves radioactive by-products?
ShotmanMaslo
May 01, 2011

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Perhaps we should consider how to obtain our energy without fission that leaves radioactive by-products?


We are considering heavily it for the past few decades. Still little practical use, still too expensive.
antialias
May 01, 2011

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But the question is: Why only now? Did we not know that before?

Yes we did. But what political party cares about spending money on stuff that will not have a benefit to them in the next election? What politician cares about things that will turn into catastrophes well after they are dead?
Skeptic_Heretic
May 01, 2011

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor#Molten-salt_fueled_reactors - these

Ok, the big problem with these is themaintenance required. They are far safer if maintained, but the salt fuel does degrade the various fuel tubes. It's a tricky monster to keep running as the tech stands today.
ShotmanMaslo
May 01, 2011

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http://en.wikiped...reactors - these

Ok, the big problem with these is themaintenance required. They are far safer if maintained, but the salt fuel does degrade the various fuel tubes. It's a tricky monster to keep running as the tech stands today.


Is it such a big problem? There is some corrosion mentioned, but not as a "big problem", in fact the corrosion is described as "slow":

http://en.wikiped...allenges
ShotmanMaslo
May 01, 2011

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"It's a tricky monster to keep running as the tech stands today."

And considering that experimental prototype ran flawlessly for 6 years with 1960s technology, I really doubt there are any showstopper problems for molten sant fuel reactors in 2011.
Skeptic_Heretic
May 01, 2011

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And considering that experimental prototype ran flawlessly for 6 years with 1960s technology, I really doubt there are any showstopper problems for molten sant fuel reactors in 2011.
Ran beautifully because there was no expense spared in refining the prototype and replacing parts that had degraded performance.

The only issue with the tech is that it is very expensive to maintain, making it commercially unviable as a full scale replacement. It is certainly a viable option, just incredibly expensive.
ShotmanMaslo
May 01, 2011

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It is certainly a viable option, just incredibly expensive.


Any source for that? Because from the wiki article I got the impression that it is quite inexpensive - no need for expensive high-pressure steam vessel, no need for expensive fuel enrichment facilities..
antialias
May 01, 2011

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The problem is what to do if the primary cooling mechanism breaks (e.g. a rupture in the pipe during an earthquake). You can get water from nearby lakes, rivers, fire hydrants. In a catastrophic event you can spray the pile with water from the outside (as was done in Harrisburg and Fukushima) - but you can't get replacement liquid salts to a scene that has no power. And if the liquid salt ever turns solid because you have a drop in pressure/temperature at any point in the pipes then it's 'game over'.
Isaacsname
May 01, 2011

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Wait....you mean to tell me Reagan lied ?

... ...we're going to need a bigger desk.
Grizzled
May 02, 2011

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Nuclear meltdowns are quite radioactive and get significantly hotter than an oxyhydrogen torch, so I can tell you pretty definitively that liquefying used nuclear fuel does not render the radiation harmless.


Forget the torch. After the Japanese incident one of the local "healthy living" mags had to run a prominent article patiently explaining to its readers that boiling milk doesn't remove or reduce radioactivity. To its credit, at least it didn't think it does... but its readers did!
ShotmanMaslo
May 02, 2011

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The problem is what to do if the primary cooling mechanism breaks (e.g. a rupture in the pipe during an earthquake).


Liquid fuel thorium reactor is passively safe, no cooling is needed. The (not radioactive) salt used for "cooling" is in fact used to extract heat to boil water for turbines, but the reactor core would not melt down without it, because the reaction in fuel salt has negative feedback at higher temperatures.

There is also second passive mechanism when the molten thorium salt will flush to safety tanks when exceeding some set temperature, stopping the reaction altogether.

http://en.wikiped...ear_fuel
Skeptic_Heretic
May 02, 2011

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It is certainly a viable option, just incredibly expensive.


Any source for that? Because from the wiki article I got the impression that it is quite inexpensive - no need for expensive high-pressure steam vessel, no need for expensive fuel enrichment facilities..
Your own wiki link is a good source.
High neutron fluxes and temperatures in a compact MSR core can change the shape of a graphite moderator element, causing it to require refurbishing in as little as four years of operation. Eliminating graphite from sealed piping was a major incentive to switch to a single-fluid design.

Maintenance costs, graphite rods are highly expensive and their replacement requires downtime.
When cold, the fuel salts radiogenically produce corrosive, chemically reactive fluorine gas. Although a very slow process, the salts should be defueled and wastes removed before extended shutdowns to avoid (non-radioactive) fluorine gas production.
That's two.
Modernmystic
May 02, 2011

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This is such a non-issue.

We have the technology to deal with this effectively, we just need a little less ignorance and fear about the subject...
ShotmanMaslo
May 02, 2011

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Maintenance costs, graphite rods are highly expensive and their replacement requires downtime.


Maybe, but will replacing them once in 4 years be significantly more expensive than maintenance of current reactors? That is the question. Also, there are designs of LFTR reactor without any graphite control rods.

Although a very slow process, the salts should be defueled and wastes removed before extended shutdowns to avoid (non-radioactive) fluorine gas production.


The reactor was routinely shut down over weekends during testing. For extended shutdowns, I dont think this would raise the costs much.
antialias
May 02, 2011

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Nuclear is becoming a non-issue anyways. World energy production from nuclear has dropped from 16 to 13% over the past decade and there are more reactors going offline than coming online.

Let's just dump this useless and dangerous energy source which has unsolved storage issues to boot and concentrate on seom REAL alternatives.
ShotmanMaslo
May 02, 2011

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Well, unless you discovered net gain fusion reactor that actually works and costs less than a billion, or 80+% efficient and still cheap solar cells in your backyard, I dont know what REAL alternative for industrial and base load do you mean. Fossil energy?
ShotmanMaslo
May 03, 2011

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and there are more reactors going offline than coming online.


Wikipedia disagrees with this statement. In fact, construction of new plants is rising and will continue to do so, first in developing countries where they cannot afford expensive gimmicks such as renewables, and after fossil fuel costs will begin to rise, the same effect will be seen in developed countries, IMHO.
Bigblumpkin36
May 03, 2011

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What about clay? Cant you store spent fuel in clay deep underground?
ShotmanMaslo
May 03, 2011

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Ooops, forgot source:

http://en.wikiped...industry
antialias
May 03, 2011

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I dont know what REAL alternative for industrial and base load do you mean.

We just had a year long test of a combination of decentralized alternative power plants (solar, wind, biomass). They were EASILY able to provide base load at all times.

first in developing countries where they cannot afford expensive gimmicks such as renewables

Nuclear is WAY more expensive than any renewable source if you deduct all the subsidies and calculate the cost for storage of wastes. You don't see these costs because you don't pay them with your utilities bill but with your taxes.

If you were to pay the true cost of nuclear then you'd be at 2$/kWh
Bigblumpkin36
May 03, 2011

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Technology is the only way to go for the futcher.
ShotmanMaslo
May 03, 2011

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"We just had a year long test of a combination of decentralized alternative power plants (solar, wind, biomass). They were EASILY able to provide base load at all times."

In which country? Where does solar, wind and biomass provide base load power? (base load defined as 40% of the maximum peak in a given year, which is certainly more than 64% of generated electricity in standard power generation regime). How can solar and wind provide any base load power at times when sun and wind is not sufficient?
And how does this base load generation compare with nuclear in cost per twh?

http://nuclearfis...-kwh.jpg

http://nuclearfis...d-solar/

"Nuclear is WAY more expensive than any renewable source if you deduct all the subsidies"

Renewables get FAR more subsidies per twh produced (the only meaningful comparison) than nuclear power.
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