Another Higgs rumor reminds us how science is correctly done
April 25, 2011 by Lisa Zyga
The Atlas detector at the LHC at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland. Image credit: LHC.
(PhysOrg.com) -- With the Large Hadron Collidor (LHC) running smoothly for well over a year now, the excitement surrounding the possibility for the discovery of new physics has generated a few rumors - speculations that have not been published in peer-reviewed journals. The latest came last week, when an anonymous person posted the abstract of a note on Columbia University mathematician Peter Woits blog that claimed an intriguing observation.
The abstract, which comes from an internal note from the ATLAS experiment at CERN, claims to have observed a resonance at 115 GeV.
This large enhancement over the standard model rate implies that the present result is the first definitive observation of physics beyond the standard model, the memo says. Exciting new physics, including new particles, may be expected to be found in the very near future.
As Woit noted, the resonance could signify the much anticipated Higgs boson: Its the sort of thing you would expect to see if there were a Higgs at that mass, but the number of events seen is about 30 times more than the standard model would predict.
When the Nature blog The Great Beyond asked ATLAS spokesperson Fabiola Gianotti about the rumor, she said that these kinds of signals frequently appear during data analysis, and are later falsified after more detailed scrutiny.
Only official ATLAS results, i.e. results that have undergone all the necessary scientific checks by the Collaboration, should be taken seriously, she said.
Other scientists have emphasized that its simply unscientific to publicly discuss internal material before the collaboration officially publishes a result. In the case of ATLAS, the collaboration involves 3,000 scientists from around the world who work together to analyze every detail of the data.
So why publicize the rumors in the first place? For Woit, who decided to write a full blog post on the comment he received, the reason is to expose the rumor for what it is.
Ive generally taken the point of view that its not my job to stop rumors, but rather to put out accurate information about them when available to me, he wrote.
In the meantime, everyone not involved in the ATLAS collaboration might just let those scientists do their work in peace, and wait patiently for an official publication before discussing the research.
More information: via: Discovery News
© 2010 PhysOrg.com
-
From lemons to lemonade: Reaction uses carbon dioxide to make carbon-based semiconductor,
32 comments
-
Thioridazine kills cancer stem cells in human while avoiding toxic side-effects of conventional cancer treatments,
3 comments
-
SpaceX private rocket blasts off for space station (Update),
42 comments
-
Climate scientists say they have solved riddle of rising sea,
30 comments
-
Research team claims to have found evidence Lake Cheko is impact crater for Tunguska Event,
18 comments
-
A Question relating Power
1 hour ago
-
Writing a book so im learning about things, i have some general questions please read
3 hours ago
-
Question about induced E field.
4 hours ago
-
Charging a capacitor in a tesla coil
4 hours ago
-
Water Rocket
8 hours ago
-
why do trucks have bigger brakes?
12 hours ago
- More from Physics Forums - General Physics
More news stories
Is a classical electrodynamics law incompatible with special relativity?
(Phys.org) -- The laws of classical electromagnetism that were developed in the 19th century are the same laws that scientists use today. They include Maxwell’s four equations along with the Lorentz la ...
Landmark calculation clears the way to answering how matter is formed
(Phys.org) -- An international collaboration of scientists, including Thomas Blum, associate professor of physics, is reporting in landmark detail the decay process of a subatomic particle called a kaon ...
May 25, 2012 |
4.2 / 5 (21) |
47
|
Lying in wait for WIMPs: Researchers seek to dramatically increase sensitivity of Large Underground Xenon detector
Although it's invisible, dark matter accounts for at least 80 percent of the matter in the universe. No one knows what it is, but most scientists would bet on weakly interacting massive particles, or WIMPs.
May 23, 2012 |
4 / 5 (7) |
15
|
Hall effect at the speed of light: How can you demonstrate relativistic effects with your mobile phone?
The relativistic Hall effect describing objects rotating at speeds comparable with the speed of light has been reported.
May 21, 2012 |
4.3 / 5 (3) |
8
Cloak of invisibility: Engineers use plasmonics to create an invisible photodetector
A team of engineers at Stanford and the University of Pennsylvania has for the first time used "plasmonic cloaking" to create a device that can see without being seen - an invisible machine that detects light. It is the first ...
May 21, 2012 |
4.8 / 5 (16) |
7
|
Scientist: Evolution debate will soon be history
(AP) -- Richard Leakey predicts skepticism over evolution will soon be history. Not that the avowed atheist has any doubts himself.
Dell tablet leak: 10.1-inch display, two-battery choice
(Phys.org) -- Headline after headline talks about vendors tablets in the wings as likely number-one contenders for the iPad. Such claims have justifiably been taken with a grain of salt, considering ...
SpotterRF debuts Radar Backpack Kit (w/ Video)
(Phys.org) -- SpotterRF has announced a special radar backpack kit designed to enhance situational awareness for soldiers on the ground. The company says its special radar is designed for warfighters as part ...
SpaceX capsule has 'new car' smell, astronauts say (Update)
SpaceX's Dragon cargo vessel smells like a new car, said astronauts at the International Space Station after opening the hatches Saturday following the spacecraft's landmark mission to the orbiting lab.
Thousands of shellfish found dead in Peru
Thousands of crustaceans were found dead off the coast of Lima following the mystery mass death of dolphins and pelicans, the Peruvian Navy said Friday.
Astronomers seize last chance in lifetime for Venus Transit
Astronomers are gearing for one the rarest events in the Solar System: an alignment of Earth, Venus and the Sun that will not be seen for another 105 years.
Apr 25, 2011
Rank: 2.3 / 5 (11)
Apr 25, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (4)
Apr 25, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Apr 25, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Will Physicists publish their research data now that there is a platform to do so, or is data too secretive?
http://figshare.com
Apr 26, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (5)
Mr. Belize, the Atlas data centers are receiving up to 10 gigabytes of raw data every second. This is eventually processed through various steps including track reconstruction, filtering and initial event analysis. The reconstructed data suitable for physics discoveries is available to all collaborators of Atlas but generally not to researches outside of Atlas. Billions of dollars and millions of man hours have been spent on this project and researchers don't want to give away the data until it has been thoroughly milked for any Nobel prizes.
Apr 26, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (4)
There are such platforms already. They are called peer reviewed journals.
The raw data is of no use to anyone without the gear to interpret them (which is specifically built/programmed for the collider) - so what good would it do to put out the data to the public? There's 3000 people working on this. Let them do their jobs and not waste their time having to refute every kook who thinks he saw something in the data (and who mostly wouldn't know a sound statistic if it bit him).
Research papers require a lot of work. The publications usually include YEARS worth of data and analysis. Most definitely they are not some shot from the hip based on a first glance at the data.
Science is nothing like what Hollywood depicts. Get used to it.
Apr 26, 2011
Rank: not rated yet
Apr 26, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (3)
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.1803
Apr 26, 2011
Rank: 5 / 5 (4)
It's not as simple as that. The data belongs to the Atlas collaboration which has members from hundreds of institutes in many different countries. These are public entities but that doesn't mean they are obliged to release the data as soon as it is ready for physics analysis. The participants gain first access to the data to find new discoveries. Whether the raw data will eventually be released to the public is not so much a matter of will but more a practical issue. The amount of data is staggering. In fact it is so big that one of the challenges of Atlas has been to find ways to store all the data and do the physics analysis, several data centers have been set up just to handle this job.
Apr 26, 2011
Rank: 1 / 5 (1)
Apr 29, 2011
Rank: 1.6 / 5 (5)