Glaciers melting faster than originally thought: study
April 4, 2011 by Deborah Braconnier
(PhysOrg.com) -- A team of scientists from Aberystwyth University, the University of Exeter and Stockholm University, led by Welsh scientist and Professor Neil Glasser, have released at study published in Nature Geoscience showing that the glaciers of Patagonia in South America are melting at a much faster rate than originally thought.
Utilizing a new technique for ice loss calculation, these scientists used the spread of glacier debris and the lines where vegetation starts on the mountainsides to create a series of calculations determining the amount of ice that has melted since the Little Ice Age ended there 350 years ago.
Calculations show that the some 270 glaciers that cover the area have lost 606 cubic kilometers of ice. This is the first time that a loss of volume has been calculated to include this far back in time. Recent studies of glacial loss have only gone as far back as to when satellite imaging of the glaciers could be used to calculate loss.
While this study does show that the rate this glacial melting and its contribution to the sea level rise is increasing, this was not their most alarming discovery. Research shows that the rate of melting from the beginning of the 20th century was slower than previously thought; their research, however, also shows that since 1980, the rate of glacial loss has increased by over 100 times that of the previous 320 year long-term average.
The team points out that the Patagonia glaciers are located at a latitude in the southern hemisphere equal to the Alps in the northern hemisphere, and suggest that if the team were to use the same calculations there, they would see a similar pattern of loss rate increase.
By using these new calculations going back over a much longer period, the team of scientists has been able to estimate possible sea level rises for over three centuries.
More information: Global sea-level contribution from the Patagonian Icefields since the Little Ice Age maximum, Nature Geoscience (2011) doi:10.1038/ngeo1122
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Apr 04, 2011
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1.3875 millimeters to be precise.
Not bad for 350 years and an entirely NATURAL rebound from the Little Ice Age.
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No, that's the 80s.
In the 70s they were predicting a new Ice Age.
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It simply will not matter. No matter how bad it gets, no matter how clearly the data screams the obvious in the faces of deniers, they will continue to doubt what is in front of them.
To do otherwise would be to admit that they are wrong, which is a fate worse than death. Worse than their death, and the death of anyone else for that matter.
And at the end, as they are swallowed whole, still screaming, the survivors will realize that the stupid opinions of the idiots who deny reality never matter at all.
Apr 04, 2011
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There's quite a lot of data that shows just about everything is contributing, influenced by man and many even natural. It clearly makes the man-made warming people uncomfortable to hear that planets all over the system are under going warming trends as well, and you can some how magically dismiss those contributions on earth? How about the inconvenient truth that CO2 data shows it is a lagging indicator and not a leading indicator?
None of that means I deny it is happening, I'm just listening to raw data and ignoring opinions, in science -everything- must be explained and explored to full depth and detail.
Apr 04, 2011
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@Quantum_Conundrum
We are not just talking about the added volume of water from the melting glaciers when we talk about sea level raise.
Water volume expands as temperature raise.
The thermal coefficient of expansion of water is 0.00021 per 1° Celsius at 20° Celsius.
The total mass of the hydrosphere is about 1,400,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons or 1.4×10^21 kg = 1.4x10^21 l
Assuming the average temperature of the hydrosphere is 20° Celsius, increasing the average temperature by 1° Celsius increases the volume by
1.4x10^21 l x 0.00021 = 2.94x10^17 l
The total earth surface is 510,072,000 km2 out of which 70.8% is covered by water.
70.8% of 510,072,000 km2 is 361 130 976 km2 = 3.6x10^14 m^2 = 3.61x10^16 dm^2.
An augmentation of volume of 2.94x10^17 l spread over 3.61x10^16 dm^2 implies a raise of 8 dm = 80 cm... for 1° Celsius.
This is a very rough model, but this gives an idea.
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Apr 04, 2011
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http://www.skepti...stem.htm
Only inconvenient to those who insist on equating apples and oranges.
Until our civilization started pumping additional (formerly fossil) carbon into the atmosphere at a rate of more than 100x greater than all natural volcanic emissions combined, CO2 acted as a feedback to global temperature (amplifying warming, and retarding cooling). Ocean warming led to CO2 out-gassing.
Now the situation is quite different, and far from natural as mentioned above.Nope, it's manipulated and false data, provided by opinionated deniers.
Apr 05, 2011
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"What if we make the world a better place, and it turns out we didn't have to?"
Just do it anyway! Who cares whether it's happening, whether we did it or not, who cares? Let's clean up our act anyway, because we KNOW that it will be better for us in the long run. It's not like there are any economic reasons against this, we all know that the GDP going up only helps the rich and punishes the poor anyway.
I think I'm over it though, we can't save ourselves. We are probably one of the last generations of humans to ever live in this universe (I hope aliens somewhere succeed where we are currently failing.)
Apr 05, 2011
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This "paper" is just grant trolling.
Suck up to AGW, get a grant.
Tell the truth that its natrual variability, and you get fired and never get another grant.
Apr 05, 2011
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ht_delete_tp://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_4CE_Glaciers.htm
Natural variability.
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Well, see, your own math proves the earth cannot be warming as much as has been allegedly "observed" by NOAA and other organizations, which claim the temperature has already risen by more than a degree F (0.45C or so) in the past 30 to 40 years. If it had, sea level in the past 30 to 40 years would have risen about 40cm, or 16 inches...
I can tell you with all certainty that sea levels have NOT risen by 16 inches in the past 30 to 40 years.
And also, if your citation and math is correct, then if temperatures rose by the alleged 11.2F by 2100, as that other article claimed, then that is 6.2C, and would produce, by your own math, roughly 4.98M (16.34 feet) of sea level rise by 2100 from thermal expansion alone, which is completely ludicrous and NOBODY anywhere has been insane enough to try to make that claim...
Your information is wrong.
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The full text is behind paywall, but the abstract is quite detailed. The above article does not compare very well with the actual abstract.
I especially do not like this part of the above article:
The original abstract does not lump all of the Patagonia ice into one basket. They talk about north and south, with different results in each area. When they say that the Alps would be the same, I don't think that's a very obvious conclusion, especially since the two geographically close areas they studied here are not the same. What makes them think that a place 1/4 of the way around the world in another hemisphere would be the same as either n or s patagonia? the same as which area of patagonia?
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