Where the winds blow: Experts ponder fallout risks

Mar 15, 2011 by Anthony Lucas
A young girl looks out from a bus window as people rush to get out of the city in Yamagata, Yamagata prefecture. Experts monitoring weather patterns for any fallout from Japan's stricken nuclear plant said Tuesday the winds had so far been favourable but they were less confident about the outlook later this week.

Experts monitoring weather patterns for any fallout from Japan's stricken nuclear plant said Tuesday the winds had so far been favourable but they were less confident about the outlook later this week.

The World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) said winds on Saturday and Monday -- when two blasts occurred at Fukushima -- were blowing to the northeast and east, in other words out over the Pacific.

"All the meteorological conditions are offshore, there are no implications inshore for Japan or other countries near Japan," said Maryam Golnaraghi, who heads the WMO's disaster risk reduction programme.

But on Tuesday, the winds temporarily shifted, coming instead from the northeast, the Geneva-based WMO said, quoting the Japanese Meteorological Agency.

For Wednesday, "the forecast is for northerly winds and later westerly, (for winds that are) near-surface and at 1,000 metres (3,250 feet)," it said. Thereafter, conditions "will fluctuate as weather systems develop and progress."

In Tokyo, 250 kilometres (155 miles) southwest of Fukushima, the authorities said higher-than-normal radiation levels had been detected in the capital on Tuesday but not at harmful levels.

The WMO activated a so-called environmental emergency response mechanism on Saturday, with three regional centres in Beijing, Tokyo and Obninsk, Russia, monitoring .

The benchmark for fallout from a nuclear disaster is the April 26, 1986, explosion at Chernobyl, which spewed radioactive dust across parts of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus and even reached as far as Ireland, more than 1,600 kilometres away.

In the Russian Far East, the meteorological service at Vladivostok, less than 1,000 kilometres west of Fukushima, said radiation levels were within normal limits.

The service's spokeswoman, Varvara Koridze, said that "contained the usual background components. Radionuclides that would have been the result of an explosion were not found."

Boris Lamash, head of the climate department at Far Eastern Federal University, said prevailing winds at this time of year in the region were westerlies and northwesterlies, which helped push harmful material away.

In the United States, meteorologist Jeff Masters used a modelling program from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to determine where radioactivity would spread.

"The great majority of these runs have taken plumes of radioactivity emitted from Japan's east coast eastwards over the Pacific, with the plumes staying over water for at least five days," he said.

"It is highly unlikely that any radiation capable of causing harm to people will be left in the atmosphere after seven days and 2,000 miles-plus of travel," said Masters, founder of the Weather Underground online weather forecasting service.

Cyril Honore, deputy head of forecasting at the French state service, Meteo France, was cautious.

"Japan lies in temperate latitudes, so winds are generally west-to-east, but this prevailing direction does not rule out the possibility of very strong variations," he told AFP.

He also noted that contaminated dust from Fukushima could disperse in wide patterns.

"A cloud, or air mass, is not an enclosed bloc. It is exposed to horizontal and vertical turbulence, so matter is dispersed or diluted according to atmospheric directions," Honore said.

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omatumr
3.8 / 5 (4) Mar 15, 2011
I agree. Wind direction is darn important in determining where radioactive fallout will be deposited..

Usually the prevailing winds are from West to East, and the front of radioactive fallout from nuclear weapons has been tracked on more than one complete journey around the globe.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel

ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (4) Mar 15, 2011
Radioactive...what?
What are the isotopes of the 'fallout'?
The only radioactive material I have heard vented in N and Xe.

Most smoke detectors have radioactive Americium. Better watch out!
omatumr
2.8 / 5 (4) Mar 15, 2011
Radioactive...what?
What are the isotopes of the 'fallout'?


The greatest concern is for radioactive isotopes from the reactor that might concentrate in body organs.

E.g., I-131 in thyroid glands.

Sr-89 and Sr-90 in bones and teeth, etc.

Isotopes of more volatile elements, like N, Ar, Kr and Xe, are more likely to vent.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel

ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (4) Mar 15, 2011
Have any reactor cores in Japan been breached?
What radiation is 'spewing' into the air?

Based upon the reactor design, even if the core melts down, it will remain sealed.

http://pajamasmed...=1#Print
omatumr
2 / 5 (2) Mar 15, 2011
Reactors pose the greatest danger to those near the reactor and to those living "down-wind" from it.

Generally, "down-wind" means those living East of the place where the radioactive isotopes are released, since prevailing winds generally travel West to East.

Iodine tablets may be given to those who might be exposed to radioactive I=131 from the reactor. Iodine tables (made of stable I-127) will load up the thyroid glands so they will tend to discard radioactive I-131 ingested from the environment.

I don't know what happens in a meltdown, but as I recall lots of radioactivity was released from Chernobyl.
MikeyK
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
I agree with Oliver on this (must be a first ;))
Seems to be a lot of the usual conspiracy crap flying on the web (especially the holier than holy Watts) saying there is no danger....hmmm.how many of these fat slobs..sorry commentators..sitting on their chair dribbling at their screen would actually volunteer to move to Japan to test their so virtous conspiracy...sorry typo..I meant theory. roll up roll up how many volunteers...what...none...you surprise me....not
omatumr
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2011
I agree with Oliver on this (must be a first ;))


The birth of the Solar System was triggered by a nuclear explosion of the Sun:

"Isotopes of tellurium, xenon and krypton in the Allende meteorite retain record of nucleosynthesis", Nature 277, 615-620 (1979).

"Heterogeneity of isotopic and elemental compositions in meteorites: Evidence of local synthesis of the elements ", Geokhimiya (12) 1776-1801 (1981) [In Russian].

My research Professor, Dr. (Paul) Kazuo Kuroda, formerly of the Imperial University of Tokyo in the 1940s, happened to be one of the world's leading authorities on radioactive fallout.

You can read his biography on those days here:

http://www.omatum...aphy.pdf]www.omatumr.com/a...aphy.pdf[/url]

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo

http://http://www.omatum...aphy.pdf]www.omatumr.com/a...aphy.pdf[/url]
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2011
So there are still NO reports of what radioactive isotopes are falling out.
KI only helps with radioactive I.
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
Have any reactor cores in Japan been breached?
What radiation is 'spewing' into the air?

Based upon the reactor design, even if the core melts down, it will remain sealed.

http://pajamasmed...=1#Print

A meltdown would put containment at risk. The molten fuel rods are as hot as magma. Steel containment bins aren't much of a match for that.
omatumr
4.7 / 5 (3) Mar 16, 2011
KI only helps with radioactive I.


Yes, radioactive iodine, iodine-131 [I-131], is one of the radioactivities that the body can be encouraged to discard by ingesting massive amounts of natural iodine [I-127 from KI, NaI, or any iodide salt].

Although I have not read of its use, calcium supplements might also encourage the body to discard radioactive strontium [Sr-89 or Sr-90] acquired from the environment.

The body does not need strontium [Sr], but our bodies confuse that element with calcium [Ca] that is used to build teeth and bones.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2011
Have any reactor cores in Japan been breached?
What radiation is 'spewing' into the air?

Based upon the reactor design, even if the core melts down, it will remain sealed.

http://pajamasmed...=1#Print

A meltdown would put containment at risk. The molten fuel rods are as hot as magma. Steel containment bins aren't much of a match for that.

Note the core sits on graphite and concrete, very thick concrete.
omatumr
1 / 5 (4) Mar 16, 2011
Despite this setback, mankind WILL return to the nucleus for energy - because that is where energy (E) is stored as nuclear rest mass (m).

E = mc^2

Of course, highly concentrated energy is dangerous!

Rational energy policies cannot be implemented by politicians and government bureaucrats that ignore experimental data [1-3] in order to promote false government propaganda, e.g., CO2-induced global warming endorsed by Al Gore, world leaders, the US National Academy of Sciences, the UK Royal Society, the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee and editors of formerly respected scientific journals like Science, Nature, PNAS, etc.

1. "Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate," Journal of Fusion Energy 21, pp. 193-198 (2002).

2. "Earth's Heat Source - The Sun," Energy & Environment 20, 131-144 (2009).

3. "Neutron Repulsion," The APEIRON Journal, in press, 19 pages (2011).

http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
Have any reactor cores in Japan been breached?
What radiation is 'spewing' into the air?

Based upon the reactor design, even if the core melts down, it will remain sealed.

http://pajamasmed...=1#Print

A meltdown would put containment at risk. The molten fuel rods are as hot as magma. Steel containment bins aren't much of a match for that.

Note the core sits on graphite and concrete, very thick concrete.
Neither of which is any match for molten Uranium. Not sure why you even offered this bit of info. A meltdown of a proportion great enough to breach containment will breach jsut about any containment mechanism you can think of.
hotrunner
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
@ oliver

Hi Oliver,
do you know any realtime or otherwise websites that post radiation levels in the air as the winds blow across the Pacific Ocean to the West Coast of America and Canada ?

Do you know if these winds will still contain radioactive materials when it reaches the West Coast of North America ?

thanks very much for your time and opinions.

-hotrunner-
omatumr
4.5 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2011
@ oliver

Hi Oliver,
do you know any realtime or otherwise websites that post radiation levels in the air as the winds blow across the Pacific Ocean to the West Coast of America and Canada ?

Do you know if these winds will still contain radioactive materials when it reaches the West Coast of North America ?

thanks very much for your time and opinions.

-hotrunner-


I do not know where you can find that information now, but I am confident the government still collects such data.

Many years ago, we measured fallout of long-lived (t1/2 = 16 Myr) iodine-129 [I-129] from reactors and nuclear weapons and later we collected rain samples in Missouri and measured iodine-131 (t1/2 = 8 d) from nuclear weapons that were exploded in Lop Nor, China

"Iodine-129 in thyroid glands", Health Physics 24, 375-387 (1973)

"Iodine-129 in man, cow and deer", Health Physics 34, 691-699 (1978)

"Iodine-129 in Missouri rain and milk", J. Radioanal. Chem. 68, 233-266 (1982)
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
Nuclear weapons are far more energetic than emission from power plants. Intentional uncontrolled nuclear reactuions are designed to spew radioactive materials, reactors are not. In order for radioactive materials to reach the US in significant quantity you would need to get them into the mid-atmospheric layers.
hotrunner
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
Nuclear weapons are far more energetic than emission from power plants. Intentional uncontrolled nuclear reactuions are designed to spew radioactive materials, reactors are not. In order for radioactive materials to reach the US in significant quantity you would need to get them into the mid-atmospheric layers.


@skeptic

does the radioactive material from Japan have the potential to flow in the mid atmosphere ?

how do we measures and validates the radioactivity coming to North America and who conveys this without sanitizing the results ?

thanks
omatumr
1.6 / 5 (5) Mar 16, 2011
how do we measure and validate the radioactivity coming to North America and who conveys this without sanitizing the results ?


That is the central problem. Before the climate scandal, we trusted government scientists to give us factual correct information rather than information that had been "polished" to please the federal agency that provided the research funds.

Now "official" information on radioactive fallout from the damaged nuclear reactors in Japan is being distributed via video instead of the media that allows questions and feedback:

"Japan's radiation no threat here"

video.physorg.com/

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Mar 16, 2011
does the radioactive material from Japan have the potential to flow in the mid atmosphere ?
Yes, but only in rare circumstance.
how do we measures and validates the radioactivity coming to North America and who conveys this without sanitizing the results ?
I am not in the know on this point however I typically take my queues from the UCS and the NRC, although I thoroughly evaluate their stances as they do share bias with the sitting US administration.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (1) Mar 16, 2011
With the proper equipment, any measured ionizing radiation can be identified and matched to an isotope.
I wonder why no one is reporting the isotope and half-life?
omatumr
4.7 / 5 (3) Mar 17, 2011
I wonder why no one is reporting the isotope and half-life?


Gamma ray spectrometry is the best way to identify the various isotopes.

Probably those making measurements on the scene are more interested right now in using the information to decide what immediate actions are needed there!

Nuclear reactors rely on a self-sustaining chain of fission reactions that is right now beyond the normal means of control.

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