Even Canadian rocks are different

March 28, 2011

Even Canadian rocks are different

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Andrew Leier examined zircons from Lower Cretaceous sandstone near the Sulphur river in the Grande Cache, Alberta area. The prominent sandstone cliff is the Cretaceous sandstone. Credit: University of Calgary

Canadians have always seen themselves as separate and distinct from their American neighbours to the south, and now they have geological proof.

New research published in April's edition of Geology shows that rock formations roughly along the same political boundary as the two North American countries formed as early as 120 million years ago.

Dr. Andrew Leier, of the Department of at the University of Calgary, set out to prove what he thought was the obvious: because the mountains are continuous between the U.S. and Canada, the ancient river systems that flowed from these uplands were likely interconnected. In other words, during Cretaceous Period,120 million years ago, rivers should have flowed north and south between the countries, paying no mind to the modern day political border.

"I thought that I could easily show that in my research," says Leier who published a paper in Geology with co-author Dr. George Gehrels at the University of Arizona and, Leier adds, a lot of help from Cassandra Frosini, an undergraduate in geoscience at the University of Calgary.

But Leier was wrong. "I was surprised to learn the opposite, in fact, was true," he says.

A tiny piece of sediment found in sandstone called zircon helped the researchers locate where the sediments had originally formed. Knowing its current location, Leier was able to determine just how far the rivers moved it and the direction from which it came.

During the , mountains were being created all along western North America, in both Canada and the United States.

Even Canadian rocks are different
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Dr. Andrew Leier researched the origin of individual sand grains that were deposited during the Cretaceous Period in western North America. Credit: University of Calgary

"I thought the sediment transported by ancient rivers in Montana and Utah would flow out of the mountain ranges and then north into Alberta. This is similar with how the Ganges River runs parallel to the . Our research shows this wasn't the case," says Leier.

Leier and Gehrels used recently developed laser-based techniques to reconstruct the origin of individual that were deposited during this period in western North America. This technique has applications to the petroleum industry as well, where it can be used to aide in determining drilling locations.

Researchers found slightly different rocks, when eroded, produced slightly different zircons.

"Cretaceous sediment in the United States have a clear American signature; whereas those in the Canadian Rockies have a different and definable Canadian signature," says Leier.

"The demarcation is pretty much coincidental with the modern day border."

Also the implication of the data suggests that the rivers that flowed west to east from the mountains in the United States stayed in the United States, and those in Canada stayed in Canada.

"In other words, there is no evidence that in western North America were crossing what is today the border," says Leier.

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Kingsix
Mar 28, 2011

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Thats the way it should be. I suggest Canada keeps this long standing tradition of its fresh water not flowing south to America, be it by river or in trucks or plastic bottles.
Actually I am fine with sending our water south, just as long as we charge a price that makes up for all the years of paying more for everything up here, evident especially on the backs of books.

Though I should say that I doubt its the US gouging us, rather its probably the Canadian companies.
210
Mar 28, 2011

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Thats the way it should be. I suggest Canada keeps this long standing tradition of its fresh water not flowing south to America, be it by river or in trucks or plastic bottles.
Actually I am fine with sending our water south, just as long as we charge a price that makes up for all the years of paying more for everything up here, evident especially on the backs of books.
Though I should say that I doubt its the US gouging us, rather its probably the Canadian companies.

The Canadian dollar is now stronger than the US dollar...currency exchange has always been a dominate issue.
However, the Canadians have always been a player in the British empire and the later British commonwealth: They could adopt the pound if they wanted, you know, to be different from the US. They have a Governor General still for example.
The Federal government just collapsed up there, due to money - the budget- senators are appointed NOT directly elected. Yes, it is a different land, eh?
AlwaysRight
Mar 28, 2011

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The government didn't collapse you idiot, the opposition just called for an election.
Temple
Mar 28, 2011

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The Federal government just collapsed up there, due to money - the budget- senators are appointed NOT directly elected. Yes, it is a different land, eh?


The federal government was voted out because it acted non-constitutionally, the vote of non-confidence happened to occur on a budget vote. By the way, Canada's economy is very, very strong right now, due in no small part to the much more stringent regulations we maintained on banking over the past decade or so while the rest of the world was giving free rein to the banks to burn their economies around them while becoming rich.

Canada's democracy has a built-in process where the majority of *elected* officials to call for a new election at any time if they lose confidence in the governing party. The governing party must call for an election at least every 5 years). This method helps to prevent an elected leader from running (completely) rough-shod over the rights of our citizens and trampling our constitution.

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Temple
Mar 28, 2011

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...Continued

A side benefit of our election process is that, since the election can occur at almost any time within the 5 years, and the election occurs just a handful of weeks after the call, our window of political advertising is incredibly short. Contrasted with the almost year and a half (and growing, and growing) run-up to a presidential election in the US and it's startlingly short.

Don't underestimate that. If, in order to win your election, you need to run a lot of advertising, then the *only way to get elected is to spend a ton of money*. Therefore, in order to afford a year and a half of campaign ads, a politician must solicit an enormous sum of money. The reader can speculate what effect that all politicians relying absolutely on huge sums of cash from special interests has on a democracy.

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Temple
Mar 28, 2011

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Continued...
In Canada, since everybody is limited to a couple months of campaigning, all politicians need relatively little cash to pay for campaigning. The influence of special interests on electing any given politician is much reduced (it would be naïve to think it is eliminated).

Also, regarding Canadian Senators. Our Senate is *completely* different from that of the US, while it is technically part of the legislative process (as is the Lieutenant Governor), in practice, the Senate does not really effect the legislation of Canada in more than an advisory role. The House of Parliament in Canada is effectively equivalent to both the US House and Senate. Yes, the Senate is a bit of a vestigial part of our government, and many are looking to reform it, to bring its cost more in line with its very limited role.

I'd encourage those curious about Canada's politics to read more about it! Some of the Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt that is spread about other countries may surprise with its truth!
canuckit
Mar 28, 2011

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@ Temple, excellent comments, however insularism rules South.
stripeless_zebra
Mar 28, 2011

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@ Temple, excellent comments, however insularism rules South.

CANADA ROCKS!
TopherTO
Mar 28, 2011

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Too often Canadians (self included) define ourselves by what we aren't, as opposed to what we are....specifically what isn't American is Canadian.

That said, you're blind if you've ever travelled through both countries and not seen/feel a palpable difference culturally.
epsi00
Mar 29, 2011

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Canada's democracy has a built-in process where the majority of *elected* officials to call for a new election at any time if they lose confidence in the governing party. The governing party must call for an election at least every 5 years). This method helps to prevent an elected leader from running (completely) rough-shod over the rights of our citizens and trampling our constitution.


nice piece of propaganda about Canada.

Really? you forgot to mention that this is exactly what happened. Our dear Leader, Kim Il Sung 0, sorry I meant Harper I, had in fact run
(completely) rough-shod over the rights of our citizens and trampling our constitution
.

Harper has shown that he has as much respect for our ( I am canadian too) institutions than what one gives a smelly piece of crap. Here's a guy who is living in the past and trying very hard to import all the Bush policies that have failed in the US as is easily shown by the facts.
CarolinaScotsman
Mar 29, 2011

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however insularism rules South.

Not with all of us. In fact, some of us in the "real" South (that's a jab at those darn Yankees) think quite highly of Canada and are proud to be her neighbor and friend.
epsi00
Mar 29, 2011

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In Canada, since everybody is limited to a couple months of campaigning, all politicians need relatively little cash to pay for campaigning.


Again, this is blatantly false. The conservatives have been campaigning non stop for more than 6 months now. The only difference between them and the opposition parties is that they stick the bill to the taxpayers while the opposition has to pay for it itself. 26 millions spent by the government advertizing itself and how great they are. It's all documented so let's not argue about it.

Was your piece of propaganda about our system written, or at least reviewed, by the prime minister office which is known to control everything that is said about the Harper government as he likes to call it ( as opposed to the Canadian government ).
Temple
Mar 29, 2011

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Really? you forgot to mention that this is exactly what happened. Our dear Leader, Kim Il Sung 0, sorry I meant Harper I, had in fact run
(completely) rough-shod over the rights of our citizens and trampling our constitution


I'm guessing you think I'm a fan of Harper. Nope, I think he's as close to the devil as we've ever come in Canadian politics (please pardon the hyperbole, in reality he's only a diluted shade of the evil we've seen recently in other, perhaps quite close countries).

He did run rough-shod over the constitution! And what happened? He got booted by the elected majority! The process works. The corrective measures we have in place helped preserve our democratic principles.

Damn us voters if we let him back in after running roughshod over the constitution, but hey that's the failing of democracy, "the worst form of government other than all the others that have been tried."
Temple
Mar 29, 2011

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The conservatives have been campaigning non stop for more than 6 months now. The only difference between them and the opposition parties is that they stick the bill to the taxpayers while the opposition has to pay for it itself. 26 millions spent by the government advertizing itself and how great they are. It's all documented so let's not argue about it.


That's par for the course in Canada for any party that holds the government. Unfortunately that relatively low level of corruption seems to be the cost of having our Canadian democracy. It sucks, but I'm not sure it could be stopped.

Still, that's *way* different than individual politicians being required to individually solicit *vast* sums from various special interests. Without those many millions *per candidate* (and given to both sides in every race by the same special interests!), then no politician can run an effective (and way longer) campaign in the US, therefore none can be elected.

That is scary for democracy.
curmudgeony
Mar 29, 2011

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At first I thought "great, I'll add some relevant comments re: the Sweetgrass Arch and the field-geology trips I'd made (while living and studying for geology degrees from both Alberta and Montana)"...

... then I paged through the 'comments' ...

Honestly, words cannot convey the kind of disappointment I feel for you trolls. Please go spew your culture jamming BS somewhere else.

Too bad eh? I had some neat things to share (with people interested in geomorphology, that is, not you pundits)
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