Replace cattle? Edible insects produce smaller quantities of greenhouse gases

Bugs are good, but they will never replace a NY Strip.

Why not just make some GM "meat plants"?

they do GM with everything else, may as well make a meat plant, instead of bothering with insects.

Besides, what are you seriously going to do to grow enough insects to replace livestocks, even if people wanted to eat bugs?

oh well... Hakuna Matata.

Mmm, barbecue cricket...

I'm being completely serious when I say this: gross.

How about somehow capturing the offending gases? They could probably run a small land power turbine off it to power the farm :) Check out "Capstone Turbine"...

No thanks, eating sea-bugs already gives me the willys if I think about it too much..

Don't care too much for TVP and setin, but they'll win by a long shot before beetles n crickets..

I can't wait until our replicator technology is running full force. Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Also, to those who think eating bugs are "gross", the times I've had them they reminded me of crab.

"The study indicates that proteins originating from insects in principle form an environmentally-friendly alternative to proteins from meat originating from conventional livestock."

Ah yea, it's called seafood.

It doesn't matter how they taste, how nutritious they are, nor how environmentally-friendly they are; Americans just aren't going to eat insects. And I completetly understand it - I'm trying to envisage crunching down on a thorax, and it's turning my stomach. Sorry, but--for better or for worse--I'm much too socialized by present society to snack on crickets.

Americans are no different from other people. If you want them to switch their diet from cattle and pigs to insects, you'll need to institute a gradual change, probably starting with novelty items in food co-ops and delis. Later it can be expanded to general food markets. Probably the food will have to be ground up, perhaps even included in nutritional drinks and powders.

Get a few famous athletes to recommend it, and it will happen faster than you might think. Look at Gatorade. They're selling sugar water!

Soon enough we'll be growing meat without the animal.

What global warming? It summers are milder, and the winters are colder and snowier than in the 90's. Seoul, Korea.

How many people cringe at eating dog meat or cat meat or horse meat. Those are staples in some peoples diets.

Same with meal-worms in some areas. My parents nearly vomited in public when I ate some salmon sashimi in front of them but I love almost all kinds of sushi.

Maybe My kids will be eating bugs and I'll be gagging at a fine restaurant in 20 years.

When a steak costs a years' salary, you'll eat whatever you can get.

I love almost all kinds of sushi.

If nature had intended us to eat raw fish, she would never have given us microwave ovens.

Very soon ,there will be no more cows,so no worries from them,and they certainly do not have any effect on our"greenhouse" NOT.
The science folks that think that depleted carbohydrates create a greenhouse effect are kooks,a simple conversation can nullify their assertions. Its a money grab,and they went for it.
A simple conversation could take alot of "Kooks" out of their positions,so we all know that wont happen,but soon,they will have alot more than "Cows" to worry about as the science team has "Done Something" to relieve the cows,horses,dogs,kitties,rabbits,elephants,and the rest of the eco zoo of their burden since they are just so "Guilty" of destroying the planet.
The birds and fish is just the beginning,so get your pet cemetary spots all reserved.
These things from the science department are done to create a reset,and you might think I am kidding,but assure you I am not.
We also will not be bringing back any unneeded species after the reset.

Since comments are character limited,I had one more little thought,most of you who "Need" those cows are also part of the reset,and we do not need any weaponry at all,we just sit around and think.
Now isnt that special,and Im sure no one will be interested in the methodologies,but if they were,(We do have alot of despots on the earth,now dont we) they dont have the tooling to engage a reset,only "Earth Service" does.
We built this place,we used to maintain it until the attack on us,now we are engaging a reset, You'll see!!!

Huh?

This is nothing compared to what they're doing to the food supply now. :/

From Dr. Tom's profile

Science Officer for our organization.

Apparently Dr. Tom is a member of an organization, Earth Service, that has been on the Earth for 50,000 years. I am feel very sorry for that organization, that it has fallen on such hard times that Dr. Tom is now it's Science Officer.

If we were to take up a collection, contribute to the cause, perhaps Earth Service could hire a new Science Officer. Perhaps someone from The Church of Urantia for instance. Maybe they could hire Tom Cruise as a spokesman now that he has become an embarrassment for the Church of Scientology. Maybe they could form an alliance with The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints as they seem to have a set principles in place for planetary management as they are all going to have a planet of their own to run in the future.

Ethelred

I have a feeling we will see problems with feed, low quality feed is probably processed more in a cow doing damage to the cow and not your intestines but how would that work with a smaller animal if they fed it stuff with high concentrations of toxins would they build up more or less in the bugs than cows etc.

I for one was already planning on becoming a worm farmer, you can sell their poop and they are good bird feed and a nice profit.

Grind them up and serve them at McD's ....

... waddaya mean too late?

Why not just make some GM "meat plants"?

they do GM with everything else, may as well make a meat plant, instead of bothering with insects.

Besides, what are you seriously going to do to grow enough insects to replace livestocks, even if people wanted to eat bugs?

More idiots rating good logical comments down? Or are you dirt and bug eaters? This comment makes perfect sense and is about what I was going to say.

Plants don't give off greenhouse gases. Beans and corn or rice make a complete protein. It should easily be possible to not only create plants that are complete protein meat substitutes but also have the right texture to substitute for meat. If an animal can do it then a meat plant is possible.

Of course if we could grow 2ft bugs too let the bug eaters have them. I don't have much of a craving for bugs myself but evidently the people who rated QC's post down do.

Re. Tucson, A lot of complete wacko's could be discovered and removed from society just by reading online forums for signs like incoherent rambling, references to things no one but the writer knows about, grandiose statements, poor grammar, self-inflicted titles, what do you think Dr_Tom?

From the Meal Worm ranchers ad council .....

Meal Worms....... "the other white meat"

I can't wait until our replicator technology is running full force. Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Did Picard's replicator assemble the tea and then heat it, or did the replicator also replicate the heat?

I can't wait until our replicator technology is running full force. Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Did Picard's replicator assemble the tea and then heat it, or did the replicator also replicate the heat?

Heat is simply the vibration of molecules due to contained energy. If I was going to guess at how that worked I'd think it'd be easier to simply arrange molecules at a particular energy than to arrange them at one energy, then energize them further. So I'd think it'd be synthesized hot. Good question.

Ground control to Dr Tom, take your protein pills and put your helmet on....
Ground control to Dr Tom, your circuits dead, there's something wrong...

Rough, I've seen the shit that dribbles down Bear Gryll's chin when he bites into bugs, no thanks!
Even if 'Pound for pound they contain more protein than beef'

What next, those crazy dutch scientists seaching for an insect that expresses milk?

Well, I guess I should be thankful that we probably won't be reduced to eating bugs any time in the next 20 years or so, by which time I'm very much afraid that the bugs will probably be eating ME.

I'll have the prime rib, please. Make mine nice and rare.

Jeez...Dr. Tom sounds like Mr. Jared Loughner...

What YOUR currency, Tommy?

Since it's always a hoot (or an annoyance) to have someone drop BIBLE on this science site uninvited, I will indulge, just this once, with some Bible trivia.

White and Yellow Locusts (grasshoppers?) are kosher according to Leviticus. No other insects are.

The Rabbinate contend that only Ethiopian Jews still know with certainty which insects these are.

I have tried ants at camp when i was a kid. Big carpenter ants taste tart. Little ants tend to managed to fight back and bite the tongue and they don't taste like anything owning to their size.

Or you can just go vegan? :-S Not like we need animal protein to stay healthy. In fact, vegans are normally much healthier than carnists.

Look at Gatorade. They're selling sugar water!

Wouldn't Gatorade, or any other similar sports drink, be salt water? They all taste way too salty for me, even beyond the added sweetness.

In my biology classes I use to fry up a bunch of mealworms - throw a little salt on them and eat them. Most of my students would try them and a lot thought they were good.

Ethel red person, You have eaten way too many bugs,and there are many more of me,terrible isnt it.
And if you would just spend time with your cult a little more,we would not have to remind you that a church shopper like you must have better things to do to enhance your cult,and your life than obviously trying out here for "Your" new SNL position.
But in the meantime,remember this,YOU are a part of the RESET

Why not just make some GM "meat plants"?

Grown meat in a lab doesn't have to be Genetically Modified.

Americans just aren't going to eat insects.

My grandmother would say the same thing about lobster. She considered it a bottom feeder only fit for the poorest of the poor. Amazing what the right marketing will do for a product.

Thanks for the info Ethelred.

Personally I believe a stable crop of insects would benefit humanity. Majority of this planets food relies on the sun. In the event of a global disaster (large metorite, large volcano, nuclear war), that food source would be threatened by diminished sunlight. Insects such as termites could digest the cellulose contained in plants and become a food source for humans until the skies cleared.

So is this RESET the 'esc' type, or are we talking full blown ctrl-alt-delete here?

Can we have it as a big red button instead? I like those..

Oh, and is there a certain thickness of tinfoil that I'll need, or will plain old Renolds Wrap do??
:)

No,I'm definitely not kidding, the birds and fish are just the start,its going to be really,really different here when the full tone gets here.
You can joke about tinfoil all you please as I know things I say are difficult to process as whole.
No bombs or guns are necessary,A kill tone for the "Brains Processer" is on its way here,over 6 billion and all animals will lose their lives soon.
Im not a doomsday scenarioist,just a science guy
with classified information from "Our certain Embassy" and I give out just trickles of what I know and do so at poignant times to provoke thought that is not controllable,or is it?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!

Ethel red person, You have eaten way too many bugs,and there are many more of me,terrible isnt it

I suppose it would be terrible if there actually were more of you AND they were serious. I doubt that YOU are serious. And as an American AND a squemish eater from birth I don't eat bugs. At least not intentionally. There was this one time when when I was eating Grapenuts...

And if you would just spend time with your cult a little more

Sorry I no more belong to a cult then I eat bugs. Less really as I still remember those Grapenuts.

obviously trying out here for "Your" new SNL position

No way, I would NEVER want a job with SNL. It would mean moving to New York. Maybe if they made pizza with Grapenut topping.

YOU are a part of the RESET

My computer has a RESET button. Is that what you mean? I could disconnect it if that is what caused those Grapenut bugs.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!

Will Grapenuts do?

Oingy Boingy

Ethelred

Grown meat in a lab doesn't have to be Genetically Modified....

The meat or the lab?

I can't wait until our replicator technology is running full force. Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Did Picard's replicator assemble the tea and then heat it, or did the replicator also replicate the heat?

Heat is simply the vibration of molecules due to contained energy. If I was going to guess at how that worked I'd think it'd be easier to simply arrange molecules at a particular energy than to arrange them at one energy, then energize them further. So I'd think it'd be synthesized hot. Good question.

You know I never really thought about that either. Every time Picard would get a cup of tea he would always say "hot". I guess he had the temperature pre-programmed in to the replicator. There are many other instances where water is requested at a specific temperature.
I feel so damned nerdy right now...

Grown meat in a lab doesn't have to be Genetically Modified....

The meat or the lab?

Genetically Modified Scientists?

Soon enough we'll be growing meat without the animal.

That's already been done. They just have not gotten the consistency right yet. The next thing slated for experimentation is scaffolding to try to get the muscle fibers to grow a certain way.

I think Dr. Tom might be one of those "Nabiru" believers or something like that. Tom, you still waiting for the long overdue Nabiru? :)

Back on the subject, George Washington Carver actually came up with a number of meat substitutes made from peanuts. What if we started eating those instead of insects?

When I lived in Chicago I never could bring myself to do what I saw people do when the 17-year locusts came out. People around the suburbs actually caught a bunch of them and made pies out of them. Ugly things but people who ate them insisted that they had a very sweet taste to them.

Dr. Tom, I have some bad news for you. Even if you cover your head with tin foil, you are probably only getting about 50% coverage. Considering what you are saying in your posts I don't think that's enough and the effects are showing. You need to increase your coverage to as close to 100% as possible before you write replies so we can understand what the hell you are saying.

It sounds like Dr Tom believes aliens are going to come and wipe us out. It isn't completely unrealistic. We use lower species and bacteria to concentrate raw materials all the time for many things. If aliens are out there they could be doing the same thing and have been waiting for us to do it for them. If they wanted to harvest the resources of this planet it would make a lot more sense to do it now rather than 1000 years ago. We have brought most of the resources of this planet to the surface already and concentrated them. If we disappeared they could be harvested relatively easily with the bonus of our technology to be picked through too. It would make sense for a predatory species if they are out there and they wouldn't be waiting much longer if they are watching us.

It sounds like Dr Tom believes aliens are going to come and wipe us out. It isn't completely unrealistic.

No it's not unrealistic to believe that there could be other intelligent life in the universe. However it would be unrealistic to assume there are only two, us and them. The universe could have many intelligent forms of life. We could be members of a much larger community. As with any community of intelligent beings there are repercussions when harm is done. Especially to an infant race like humans.

It sounds like Dr Tom believes aliens are going to come and wipe us out. It isn't completely unrealistic.

No it's not unrealistic to believe that there could be other intelligent life in the universe. However it would be unrealistic to assume there are only two, us and them. The universe could have many intelligent forms of life. We could be members of a much larger community. As with any community of intelligent beings there are repercussions when harm is done. Especially to an infant race like humans.

Not necessarily. We're social creatures with a moral bond. Ants are a hive species where they function as they are wired. Plus think of the mechanical second generation lifeforms that are possible. You very well could meet the replicators. Not evil, just resource hungry and lacking empathy so every action is acceptable due to an alien social code.

Not evil, just resource hungry and lacking empathy so every action is acceptable due to an alien social code.

Intelligent species could be aware of empathy even though they may lack this emotion. They could also be aware of strength in numbers. Intelligence means moving past instinct and using rational analysis. A single instinctive predator is no match for an intelligent rational collective.

I now understand what a paid troll is, Sir Moebius,so spare us with your drivel,you are not a science person at all,now are you.
I deal with your band of folks regularly,you might try some Tums.

It is understandable that some will feel nauseated thinking of eating insects. I can only say you are-by no faults of your own-limited by cultural choices imposed by geography and climate. You don't know what other tasty food exist because you never have a chance to try them, or have to live by/with them. I enjoy steaks, roasts, seafoods,..etc, but I also have had the opportunity to eat snails, frogs, turtles, bats, snakes, rats, dogs, battered coconut larvaes and crickets, and other more mundane dishes like chicken feet, cow tribes and tendons, pig stomach, pig brain, pig ear, pig intestines, pig blood, numerous kinds of dried, smoked, fermented and pickled fishes, and cuttle fishes...and others I won't mention here. There bottomline is HOW you prepare the dish to make it tastily acceptable, so it is not promptly discarded by protesting eaters! I feel I am of the lucky ones who can eat anything offered on this planet, and discriminate none by cutural bias.

Not evil, just resource hungry and lacking empathy so every action is acceptable due to an alien social code.

Intelligent species could be aware of empathy even though they may lack this emotion. They could also be aware of strength in numbers. Intelligence means moving past instinct and using rational analysis. A single instinctive predator is no match for an intelligent rational collective.

Yeah, there is that matter of scope that you're entirely ignoring. How well does a collective of insects do agaist a 5 year old with a magnifying glass?

One more dumb academic idea without any basis in the real world. This is for confinement animal feeding operations (CAFOs), maybe. Still there is going to be far to much processing and energy useage. They are fundementally the problem.

The solution is to stop CAFOs and switch to pasture based livestock. We raise animals on pasture that is not suitable for cropping. We turn sunlight into high quality protein and lipids. Next, buy from your local farms. Can't because you're in the city? Well, that is part of the problem. Get out of the cities.

. How well does a collective of insects do agaist a 5 year old with a magnifying glass?

Insects, insects, we don't need not stinking insects for OUR magnifying glass.

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Ethelred

No it's not unrealistic to believe that there could be other intelligent life in the universe. However it would be unrealistic to assume there are only two, us and them. The universe could have many intelligent forms of life. We could be members of a much larger community. As with any community of intelligent beings there are repercussions when harm is done. Especially to an infant race like humans.

A local galactic community of intelligent beings. The chances of them being a benevolent cooperating community are slim. They would have contacted us by now. It is far more likely that any intelligence that survives to achieve interstellar travel will be anything but benevolent. A hive intelligence would be likely to survive and they would be motivated by self-interest. A predator species like us is unlikely to survive to achieve interstellar travel and we wouldn't be benevolent if we did either. We are motivated by self-interest both as individuals and a species.

Yeah, there is that matter of scope that you're entirely ignoring. How well does a collective of insects do agaist a 5 year old with a magnifying glass?

A collective of insects behaves like a single instinctive organism. The 5 year old is part of a larger community (family), who is intelligent enough to create a magnifying glass among other things.

We are motivated by self-interest both as individuals and a species.

Instinctive species don't have laws. Laws can and often do stand in the way of our own self-interests. The reason we haven't been contacted is probably because aliens are intelligent. They realize that, quite often, humans still rely on instincts, and that makes us dangerous and predatory.

The reason we haven't been contacted is probably because aliens are intelligent. They realize that, quite often, humans still rely on instincts, and that makes us dangerous and predatory.

The reason why we haven't been contacted is because no one knows we're here. Otherwise we'd know they were there.

How would we know they are there? If they are like us they would send probes, take specimens and study us covertly. None of that happening that we know of.

That relationship need not be reciprocal.

IF we humans were to travel to another solar system with actual intelligent life we would most likely look first before contact.

Even with present technology, which can not get us to another star system, we should be able to make orbiting platforms that are indetectable from the ground. quite possibly at least one government is already doing that.

Ethelred

from dietary insects to aliens. isn't there a DC Comics site or something for this sort of discourse?

My real name is Prahlad Jani.
No one believes me.

My real name is Prahlad Jani.
No one believes me.

Because you're a huckster.

I ride a motorcycle so accidentally eat the occasional bug.

Believe me that there is NO WAY I would deliberately eat any land based or flying insect EVER whatever its purported benefit to the environment.

I ride a motorcycle so accidentally eat the occasional bug.

Believe me that there is NO WAY I would deliberately eat any land based or flying insect EVER whatever its purported benefit to the environment.

The accidental beetle flying in to your mouth is far off from a seasoned pan-fried bee (quite tasty, btw). It could be that I grew up on a steady diet of crustaceans, so making the jump from ocean bugs to land bugs wan't that big of a leap. As I've said before, sure we can add bugs to our diet, but it will never be able to replace a nice NY Strip or a pork tender loin.

I ride a motorcycle so accidentally eat the occasional bug.

Get a full face helmet.

You even get to keep your jaw if you go down. And yes it is a pain with glasses but I got used to it. Take off the glasses put on the helmet and then put on the glasses. Three quarters helmets don't improve your field of vision in any significant way. Half helmets are for people that think you aren't a man if you wear a helmet. Evil Knievel wore a full face helmet and I suspect he would not have had a face after the Ceasar's Palace Fountains disaster.

httpDELETE-ME://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYGGCVE2lKY&fmt=34

Full face also helps in rain and snow. I haven't done the Fountain but I have ridden in snow.

Of course if you are riding off road that is a different thing.

Ethelred

First off, everyone get over yourselves. Food is food, protein is protein. If they make this it will probably be like SPAM, where they removed the shell, extract the meat, grind it up and mesh it together with some saltwater. Yum, put it on a Ritz!
Second, I think it would be much better to keep the cows, but just capture the methane and other gases to produce electricity (this is already being done by some farmers). Win-Win!

isnt it funny that we westerners think that insects are gross, but we eat (and love) arthropods like shrimps and lobster???

I wonder if a shrimp is really THAT different from a cricket...

Do insects produce all of the essential amino acids?

If they do we could process them into a kind of spread.

Of course we could also go down the "Soilant Green" approach and start to recycle people as food. After all cannibalism has been with us for a long, long time and in some remote areas it is still practiced.

I wonder which would taste better Insects or People?

Do insects produce all of the essential amino acids?

The nutritional value of fourteen species of edible
insects in southwestern Nigeria
Google this article.
What good are spam filters that prevent links but still allow spam?
As far as eating humans, wait till lab grown organs become commonplace. Then you could eat nobody but yourself.

What good are spam filters that prevent links but still allow spam?

I find myself asking the same question. I have even tried formatting links in other articles like the above spam and my posts with the links still don't all make it through but the spam still does? Crazy!

How to post a link. Which I did once already on this thread.

httpDELETE_ME://www.physorg.com/

Or
http ://www.physorg.com/

Or
httpSPAM://www.physorg.com/
httpANTISPAMFILTER://www.physorg.com/
ttp://www.physorg.com/
htt p://www.physorg.com/
http:I ]-[8SPAM//www.physorg.com/
http:)//www.physorg.com/

httpAVASTARRAYOFWAYS://www.physorg.com/

All of which work for people that can manage to copy CONTROL C paste CONTROL V and DELETE. If they can't do that they don't belong here.

Ethelred

I've tried but it still dont work? Physorg conspiracy if you ask me :)

Do insects produce all of the essential amino acids?

If they do we could process them into a kind of spread.

Of course we could also go down the "Soilant Green" approach and start to recycle people as food. After all cannibalism has been with us for a long, long time and in some remote areas it is still practiced.

I wonder which would taste better Insects or People?

Let me know how Kurru feels. I hear the limb pain and spasms are well worth the cannabalism....

Thank you Ethelred.
Here is the link mentioned in my previous post.
ht(delete)tps://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/6678/1/jb06047.pdf

geokstr:

Fine have it your way.

Ethelred