Atlantic currents have seen 'drastic' changes: study
A woman celebrates after participating in the annual Coney Island Polar Bear Club New Year's Day swim in New York. Scientists have found evidence of a "drastic" shift since the 1970s in north Atlantic Ocean currents that usually influence weather in the northern hemisphere, Swiss researchers say.
Scientists have found evidence of a "drastic" shift since the 1970s in north Atlantic Ocean currents that usually influence weather in the northern hemisphere, Swiss researchers said on Tuesday.
The team of biochemists and oceanographers from Switzerland, Canada and the United States detected changes in deep sea Atlantic corals that indicated the declining influence of the cold northern Labrador Current.
They said in the US National Academy of Science journal PNAS that the change "since the early 1970s is largely unique in the context of the last approximately 1,800 years," and raised the prospect of a direct link with global warming.
The Labrador Current interacts with the warmer Gulfstream from the south.
They in turn have a complex interaction with a climate pattern, the North Atlantic Oscillation, which has a dominant impact on weather in Europe and North America.
Scientists have pointed to a disruption or shifts in the oscillation as an explanation for moist or harsh winters in Europe, or severe summer droughts such as in Russia, in recent years.
One of the five scientists, Carsten Schubert, of the Swiss Federal Institute of Acquatic Sciences and Technology (EAWAG), underlined that for nearly 2,000 years the sub polar Labrador current off northern Canada and Newfoundland was the dominant force.
However that pattern appeared to have only been repeated occasionally in recent decades.
"Now the southern current has taken over, it's really a drastic change," Schubert told AFP, pointing to the evidence of the shift towards warmer water in the northwest Atlantic.
The research was based on nitrogen isotope signatures in 700 year old coral reefs on the ocean floor, which feed on sinking organic particles.
While water pushed by the Gulfstream is salty and rich in nutrients, the colder Arctic waters carried by the Labrador current contain fewer nutrients.
Changes could be dated because of the natural growth rings seen in corals.
"The researchers suspect there is a direct connection between the changes in oceanic currents in the North Atlantic and global warming caused by human activities," said EAWAG in a statement.
(c) 2011 AFP
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Jan 04, 2011
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Laughable - sickening and laughable. What happened? They weren't going to publish you if you didn't add a little nonsense at the end. What has happened to science? Do you guys have no pride at all? Why would you write that statment, when we knew before we read it that it would be there? Aren't we supposed to know, by now, that such conclusions are a given and to be understood? Who do you think you're writing to - third grade dropouts? You morons make me want to puke - which is hard to do when you're laughing your butt off. If you had any courage at all, you wouldn't have waited to the end to pull the hammer. Why not title the piece "Man Caused Global Warming Drastically Changes Atlantic Currents"? No huevos?
Jan 04, 2011
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The actual article is available on the PNAS website as a PDF, simply search for the authors name.
Download the PDF and read it and then post again if you care to present yourself as professional rather than absurd.
Jan 04, 2011
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"The researchers suspect there is a direct connection between _______ and global warming caused by human activities."
Jan 04, 2011
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Given the above; making the boilerplate statement is repetitive and pointless.
Jan 04, 2011
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Jan 04, 2011
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Jan 04, 2011
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Global warming is bad news. As the carrier of bad news, expect to be assassinated.
'Twas ever thus. Nobody likes a party pooper, and the Western Consumerist Party has been fun, fer sure!
I feel so lucky to have enjoyed the party. Now I die, and the kids can pull their eyes off the iPhone and get a serious, tough, low-paying job like all the people we've screwed for so long.
Globalization, it's what's for dinner.
Jan 04, 2011
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I'm a skeptic, not a "denier". BIG difference. Remember, ALL empirical knowledge is subject to revision.
How can you be sure? Would you have rather lived in Europe during the medieval warm period or little ice age? We've been told its bad by those who have an interest in promoting the idea. Be a skeptic!
Jan 04, 2011
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Is it unfair to speculate that the huge release of greenhouse gasses might have an impact on observed changes in the ocean currents?
What is sickening is not the alarmist scientists but the people that question every single conclusion just because the evidence isn't 100% confirmed. If you want proof of the destructive power of greenhouse gasses then read about the past mass extinctions, especially the Permian 'great dying' 250 mill years ago and the more recent Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum
Jan 05, 2011
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And if one lookups the Labrador Current, you will find it is the current that comes from the Artic Ocean. Given that man made CO2 is warming and heating the Artic a lot, and in greater proportion than the lower latitudes, it seems plausible that some currents might be effected by the additional heating.
Jan 05, 2011
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Now the Gulf Stream has been shown to be dominant.
More "proof" of AGW.
Jan 05, 2011
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Well, the CO2 levels are rising at about 2.5ppm per year and the increase shows no sign of slowing down. That will add 250ppm in 100 years if we manage to stabilize the emissions. If the situation is left un-handled we might reach atmospheric levels of 1000ppm in 250 years or earlier. - to be continued
Jan 05, 2011
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Jan 05, 2011
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Warm weather is caused by AGW.
Cold weather is caused by AGW.
Wet weather is caused by AGW.
Dry weather is caused by AGW.
Normal weather is just a fluke soon to be corrected by AGW.
We even find earthquakes and volcanoes attributed to AGW. Doubtless most traffic fatalities are caused by AGw (with the remainder due to secondhand smoke).
We have been coming out of an ice age for 10,000 years. A generalized warming has been happening for 10,000 years (most of which time human beings were not industrial).
For anyone to point out that the world has been warming for thousands of years is OK. To attribute everything to warming caused by human activity is a political and social statement. It is not a scientific statement.
Jan 05, 2011
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Jan 05, 2011
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You should try to learn the difference between political pandering and science.
Jan 05, 2011
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Cold weather is caused by AGW.
Wet weather is caused by AGW.
Dry weather is caused by AGW." from dogbert.
If you put extreme or abnormal. in front of each line, I would agree.
Jan 05, 2011
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I wouldn't. You shouldn't either. No one has ever demonstrated that our climate (including any climate changes) are due to anything other than natural cycles. At no time has human activity been demonstrated to have any significant effect.
Jan 05, 2011
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Jan 05, 2011
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Then what are we debating? That is exactly what is going on. And are you being told to post here by some politically connected group? Just curious.
Jan 06, 2011
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Why are you promoting the political, social agenda of AGW?
BTW, prophecy is not an aspect of science. You cannot know (by any scientific method) the specific near future climate of this planet. Your statement about the effect of AGW 20 years from now is blatant political pandering.
Jan 06, 2011
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CO2 is a green house gas (as is methane b.t.w) I've seen Jr High School Science Fair projects demonstrate CO2 as a greenhouse gas that demonstrated Temps correlated to CO2 concentration. Yeap, a 12year old knows more about the issue than you do.
Vindar_lund is right. Projections of CO2 (made by scientists) do not forecast a pleasant future 20 to 40 years out.
That Dogbert, (and to the other anti-earth, pollution loving, mercury crazed idiots) You need to quit posting crap on science forums. You POS.
Jan 06, 2011
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Jan 07, 2011
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In typical fashion, when your argument fails (as it must, being predicated on social/political agenda rather than science), you fall back on attacking personalities.
It is sad when you so plainly demonstrate your failings.
Jan 07, 2011
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It's that same concept but expanded to global levels; with CO2 as the pollutant generated mostly coal and fossil fuels. Coal and the Fossil fuels basically are earths buried CO2 sink for the past 100million years that we are releasing all at once with in the past 100 years or so.
CO2 as a molecule (as is Methane CH4) absorbs infrared radiation; and re-admits it. It's a green house gas after all. That causes an excess of infrared radiation being reflected back to earth to heat it. It acts just like a giant blanket that keeps Earth hotter than it should be.
Jan 07, 2011
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Jan 08, 2011
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No, you claim (with no scientific basis) that global warming is the result of human activity. I merely point out that there is no scientific basis for your claim.
And attacking personalities is not a function of the Web, it is an indication that the writer has no argument and must attack individuals in order to pretend to have a point.
Jan 08, 2011
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Jan 08, 2011
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"No, you claim (with no scientific basis) that global warming is the result of human activity. I merely point out that there is no scientific basis for your claim."
Your corporate masters have done well putting you through OBEDIENCE SCHOOL!
Global Warming by CO2 is an established fact -AND- it is a naturally occurring, ongoing phenomenon.
The only question is how much influence are we having by putting billions of tons of carbon in the air per year.
The only people with a destructive social/political/economic agenda are those who say there should be no accountability or action on the issue.
Unless we want to call caring about the future a destructive agenda...
Jan 08, 2011
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Hey dogbert, I'd like to have some corporate masters too...where does one apply? I'd like to be paid to skulk the internet and pander to their interests. Recently I've come to the conclusion I have certain materialistic needs and my current salary isn't cutting it.
Please let me know where the corporate lackey recruitment offices are for the Western United States. I'll prepare my resume.
/sarcasm
Do people REALLY think that when they put the word "corporate" in an argument it confers validity? Really?
Jan 09, 2011
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So, let's see if either side of the argument can even form a testable question related to their point of view, site evidence and "CRUSH" the other point of view.
I'll actually be looking carefully for some testable issues - and even ones that have conclusions from the issues, the way those issues have come out.
Just a chip at the wall matters. Positive or negative on the proposed testable sections here will do little but everyone should be given. Make some proposals, see if they are test able, test them, see which side the weight
Jan 09, 2011
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1) I don't have any corporate masters. And why do you need to scream OBEDIENCE SCHOOL?
2) I never claimed that CO2 was not capable/responsible for increased temperatures. I said there is no scientific evidence that human activity has effected the earth's climate.
thermodynamics,
Your question is interesting. Note, however, that the burden of proof resides with those who make the claim, not those who find no evidence for the claim.
In point of fact, AGW is a tool for political/social agenda. Of course, that does not mean that there is no anthropogenic global warming, but it does mean that there must be clear and compelling proof to overcome the obvious political agenda.
Jan 09, 2011
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Jan 10, 2011
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@dogbert:
This seems to be your main argument. I disagree. There have been many studies done that directly link the measurable rise in global average temperature to the increase in CO2 generated by more than 100 years of industrial activity. These are peer reviewed scientific reports, open to public scrutinity. I am not sure why you refuse to admit their existence. A simple Wikipoedia search will link you to many such reports:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
Jan 10, 2011
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It wasn't when the subject was first brought up, decades ago.. and for the vast vast majority of the scientists involved, there are no ties to politics.
The idea that man-made global warming is some kind of hoax is idiotic. Of all of the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people involved.. that would have been leaked long ago eh?
People who go on about such things come off as saying something along the lines of "it's my way of life, and I ain't changing it for no one for no reason!". Typical human selfish behavior.
When, in the history of the planet, has any one species polluted and altered the planet in such an enormous way, since the start of the industrial revolution? Maybe it's a problem of scale? The semi-closed system involved is so gigantic, the outside influence (us) so suddenly plentiful, that I assume most of us just don't have the capacity to grasp the magnitude of it.
Jan 10, 2011
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Think about that.
Just like how the tobacco industry tried to convince people smoking was super healthy and good, back when people started getting a clue (yes i am a smoker.. i know it's not healthy from personal experience heh)
Jan 10, 2011
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Carbon credits are just another way to extract money from developed countries and transfer them to undeveloped countries. It is plainly a social agenda and has been from the start.
Jan 13, 2011
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