New Zealand military releases UFO files

Dec 22, 2010

The New Zealand military released hundreds of previously classified reports Wednesday detailing claims of unidentified flying object (UFO) sightings and alien encounters.

The reports, dating from 1954 to 2009, were released under freedom of information laws after the New Zealand Defence Force removed names and other identifying material.

In about 2,000 pages of documents, members of the public, military personnel and commercial pilots outline close encounters, mostly involving moving lights in the sky.

Some of the accounts include drawings of flying saucers, descriptions of aliens wearing "pharaoh masks" and alleged examples of extraterrestrial writing.

Before their release, Air Force squadron leader Kavae Tamariki said the Defence Force did not have the resources to investigate sightings and would not be commenting on the files' contents.

"We've just been a collection point for the information. We don't investigate or make reports, we haven't substantiated anything in them," he told the Dominion Post.

One of the most comprehensive files concerns two sightings of strange lights off the South Island town of Kaikoura in 1978, one of which was captured by a television crew aboard a plane in the area.

The incident made international headlines at the time but a contemporary Air Force report found it could be explained by natural phenomena such as lights from boats being reflected off clouds or an unusual view of the planet Venus.

The original documents on which the reports released Wednesday were based will remain sealed in the national archive, some until 2080.

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Raveon
5 / 5 (7) Dec 22, 2010
Why would they seal documents until 2080? Could New Zealand have military secrets that sensitive? Seems unlikely.
Sinister181
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 22, 2010
That is ridiculous. What could they possibly have to hide until 2080? Seems like they've only released part of the information.
rgwalther
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 22, 2010
Whenever there is a bright light in the sky, it can only be alienz!!!
Skeptic_Heretic
4.3 / 5 (11) Dec 22, 2010
Why would they seal documents until 2080? Could New Zealand have military secrets that sensitive? Seems unlikely.
You mean like British Nuclear Missle Silo locations?

The UFO files stuff is always interesting because it gives you a chance to eliminate a lot of the anecdotal stories.
Archivis
5 / 5 (6) Dec 22, 2010
Some of the accounts include drawings of flying saucers, descriptions of aliens wearing "pharaoh masks" and alleged examples of extraterrestrial writing.

The Gould are returning... Oh boy
jjoensuu
5 / 5 (4) Dec 22, 2010
Ridiculous that this sort of stuff is held until 2080. And why is it supposedly "released" and yet "sealed" at the same time? Sounds exactly like only some of the stuff (the harmless or ridiculous type) has actually been released.

If it really is all explainable to Venus, other natural causes, and/or human craziness, it should be possible to release it all.
Skeptic_Heretic
4.6 / 5 (19) Dec 22, 2010
If it really is all explainable to Venus, other natural causes, and/or human craziness, it should be possible to release it all.
When the northeast lost power a few years ago the local police in my town at the time were inundated with calls of space craft and in some cases "alien war".

You'd be surprised just how many people have no idea what the sky looks like without light pollution and how far their imaginations will carry them.
panorama
5 / 5 (5) Dec 22, 2010
The Gould are returning... Oh boy

I'm hoping for the Tok'rah, but then again I don't think they really wear masks.
panorama
5 / 5 (13) Dec 22, 2010
You'd be surprised just how many people have no idea what the sky looks like without light pollution and how far their imaginations will carry them.

I know what you mean, a few years back I moved away from all near by light pollution and have many nights where it felt like the moon was "following" me. Especially when it's a crescent moon on a partly cloudy night. Also, during the Perseid meteor shower since I was already staring at the early morning sky it looked like Venus was blinking.

On a side note, the Perseid's in my area (Southwest Virginia, USA) were amazing this year.
Rohitasch
3 / 5 (2) Dec 22, 2010
Ridiculous that this sort of stuff is held until 2080. And why is it supposedly "released" and yet "sealed" at the same time? Sounds exactly like only some of the stuff (the harmless or ridiculous type) has actually been released.

Its alien quantum technology, I tell you! I always suspected that those chaps living in that flung out place were up to something with aliens! I mean, look at the platapus and the kiwi. Get it?
Eric_B
1 / 5 (5) Dec 22, 2010
If it is so funny and worthy of ridicule, why not release all material, from all governments, short that which relates to military technology?

Some of the same folks who are cracking jokes (and that is a very emotional, defensive response) are the same folks who are viciously anti-religion.

Being anti-religion is more reasonable, perhaps.

However, a homo-centric religion that bows and stoops, repeating the same tired mantra, "There is nothing but Venus, and they wouldn't want to study us anyway.", that's no good either, IMHO.

At least it's not a fully-objective examination of the evidence.

P.S. One of my martial arts instructors worked for the DIA and collected these kinds of reports for the US Govt. :)
Raveon
5 / 5 (5) Dec 22, 2010
Why would they seal documents until 2080? Could New Zealand have military secrets that sensitive? Seems unlikely.
You mean like British Nuclear Missle Silo locations?

The UFO files stuff is always interesting because it gives you a chance to eliminate a lot of the anecdotal stories.


The British have nukes in New Zealand? Never heard that before. Even if it's true, sealing until 2080 seems unnecessary. The only significance of that date I can think of is it coincides with about the time that almost every siting witness and others involved (or covering up), even the youngest, will be dead.
Burnerjack
5 / 5 (6) Dec 22, 2010
I just wonder, alien or natural phenomena, why the secret files at all? Why is it "governmental instinct" always manifests itself as herd management? Reminds me of the saying " Fear the government that fears its people."
paulthebassguy
4 / 5 (6) Dec 22, 2010
Why would they seal documents until 2080? Could New Zealand have military secrets that sensitive? Seems unlikely.


It's not about the military secrets though, it's to prevent the privacy of the individuals involved.

Imagine if someone reported a UFO in the 70s and their name was now published - it could affect their career or peer respect. The documents state that some people were "calm and genuine but puzzled" so it would not be fair on these people to be potentially labelled nutcases when they were simply reporting a strange phenomenon they saw.
paulthebassguy
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 22, 2010
BTW - here is the link for the actual documents for anyone interested

http://www.stuff....ightings
Skeptic_Heretic
2.4 / 5 (5) Dec 22, 2010
The British have nukes in New Zealand? Never heard that before. Even if it's true, sealing until 2080 seems unnecessary. The only significance of that date I can think of is it coincides with about the time that almost every siting witness and others involved (or covering up), even the youngest, will be dead.

The Kennedy assassination files will be sealed until 2025. About the same timeframe. I think it is more a matter of protecting potential, as opposed to actual, secrets in this case.
RobertKarlStonjek
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 22, 2010
I remember seeing that footage on the news at the time ~ seemed very convincing, not at all like Venus or reflected light. I was surprised by the lack of explanation for the phenomena and the lack of follow-up. It is a wonder that it isn't on youtube...or is it??
Eric_B
5 / 5 (3) Dec 22, 2010
"The Kennedy assassination files will be sealed until 2025. About the same timeframe. I think it is more a matter of protecting potential, as opposed to actual, secrets in this case."

I don't know what "protecting potential" means unless you mean protecting potential suspects in a cover-up or flubbed investigation.
Skeptic_Heretic
2 / 5 (5) Dec 22, 2010
I don't know what "protecting potential" means unless you mean protecting potential suspects in a cover-up or flubbed investigation.
Usually, when someone quotemines my statements, they use the whole statement.
I think it is more a matter of protecting potential, as opposed to actual, secrets in this case.


ie: "We don't want to leak something that will potentially lead to a greater understanding of our processes or practices."
DamienS
5 / 5 (4) Dec 22, 2010
Imagine if someone reported a UFO in the 70s and their name was now published - it could affect their career or peer respect

Why? UFO simply means unidentified flying object, ie, it couldn't be identified. Unless they went on to claim that what they saw was an alien spaceship and that they were abducted and anally probed by little grey men with overly big heads and eyes, I don't see why it would be a problem.
irjsiq
1 / 5 (1) Dec 22, 2010
To Burnerjack
I just wonder, alien or natural phenomena, why the secret files at
all . . .
"Fear the govt. that IS 'itself' deranged, and these kinds of folks have no 'legitimate authority' to 'Seal' ANYTHING!

Wikileaks, Will You Please release what data is available: circa 1930-1950? Perhaps 'The Axis Powers' could have altered with less depravity . . . Perhaps We could have convinced our Govt. to listen to G. Robert Oppenheimer and NOT Edward Teller!
And, NOT obliterate/incinerate/evaporate the Innocent Citizens of Hiroshime and Nagasaki; for the Citizens of Hiroshima/Nagasaki had no more control of their Destinies than We have Of Our Destiny . . .
When You have 'Nuts' in charge . . . Why are their 'Proclamations' UnChallenged? North Korea is a Primo Case for Superficial 1st Year Psych Students:
1. Build Nukes!
2. Starve the citizens!
Wikileaks, publish those NZ 'Sealed 'til 2080' Records???

Thank You Wikileaks!
Roy J Stewart,
Phoenix AZ USA [/blockqu [/blockquote]
nuge
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 23, 2010
The Gould are returning... Oh boy


I hate to nitpick, but I believe it's "Goa'uld".
seppuku
1 / 5 (1) Dec 23, 2010
seppuku
4.5 / 5 (2) Dec 23, 2010
oops... wrong link. This is the correct one:
http://www.youtub...RigRxAzE
Ethelred
not rated yet Dec 24, 2010
SH said.
The Kennedy assassination files will be sealed until 2025.


http://www.archiv...l#sealed
It is a common misconception that the records relating to the assassination of President Kennedy are in some way sealed. In fact, the records are largely open and available to the research community here at the National Archives at College Park in the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Record Collection

Congress created the Kennedy Collection when it passed the Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992. This statute directed all Federal agencies to transmit to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) all records relating to the assassination in their custody. The Kennedy Act also created a temporary agency, the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), to ensure that the agencies complied with the Act


The claim that they are sealed is long obsolete.

Site with reality
http://mcadams.po...home.htm

Ethelred
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (1) Dec 24, 2010
In fact, the records are largely open and available to the research community here at the National Archives at College Park in the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Record Collection

They are largely open, not freely available. There are a few aspects of the investigation that are not freely available to the public. This doesn't mean there's some conspiracy. It means the interviewed witnesses, etc, declined to have their names on public record, etc.

Like I said, it isn't some conspiracy cover up, and there are a few closed or unavailable portions.
Ethelred
5 / 5 (1) Dec 24, 2010
They are largely open, not freely available.
There is the problem that original documents are subject to wear and tear. The second link is the best site I have seen on the assassination. I had a long debate with someone on Maximum PC's old, but sill continues under new management, Comport. As you can't have a debate without a disagreement I took the no conspiracy side expecting to have a hard time of it. Then I found that site. LOTS of stuff everyone still thought was locked up.

Ethelred
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (1) Dec 24, 2010
As you can't have a debate without a disagreement I took the no conspiracy side expecting to have a hard time of it. Then I found that site. LOTS of stuff everyone still thought was locked up.
Yeah, I've seen a bunch of similar debates. Just like the truthers, it's very easy to dismantle the conspiracy theory pieces, espcially the "Oswald had to be an extraordinarily great shot to hit the President." Truth is, the Oswald shot isn't that difficult for someone well trained with a rifle. ie:military background as Oswald had.
xamien
5 / 5 (3) Dec 26, 2010
The reason they seal the identifying information, like in the Warren Commission files, is to protect those who might still be alive, as well as any immediate descendants. No one wants to be harassed by strange people wearing tinfoil hats and screaming about conspiracies.
Shootist
2.2 / 5 (5) Dec 27, 2010
Perhaps We could have convinced our Govt. to listen to G. Robert Oppenheimer and NOT Edward Teller!


Listen to a commie-simp instead of a patriot?

Teller on secrets, "Edward Teller used to say that the only things that ought to be classified Top Secret were troop movements and such operations information. Had that been the case, then the reports that contain informant information would have been classified but most of the other stuff would not have been.

The damage, Teller used to say, from failure to have internal circulation of information is always worse than the damage from leaks, since the enemy is going to spend as much effort as needed to find ways to get the information he want: then he knows it and vital parts of your establishment do not. Now that is not a completely generalizable proposition, but it needs to be the starting point when devising classification and need to know walls."
Aristoteles
not rated yet Dec 28, 2010
2080 ? not 2012 ??? !!!
Glyndwr
2.5 / 5 (2) Dec 29, 2010
''a patriot'' ....how sickly a term ...were these the same patriots that genocided native tribes people