Unlawful killing of newborns soon after birth 5 times higher than thought

Dec 13, 2010

Although rare, the true incidence of neonaticides - the unlawful killing of a baby within the first 24 hours of its life - is more than five times as common as official estimates suggest, suggests research published online in the Fetal and Neonatal edition of the Archives of Disease in Childhood.

Low maternal self esteem and emotional immaturity, rather than obvious or social disadvantage, are key drivers, the research indicates.

The researchers reviewed the case records of 26 courts in three regions of France, involving the death of a child within the first day of life between 1996 and 2000, and which came to trial between 1996 and 2007. The analysis included the psychiatric assessment of the mothers.

Among 80 cases of intentional violent deaths during this period, a third (27 cases) were unlawful killings during the first day of life. The authors reviewed the records of all cases and analysed the characteristics of the 17 cases where the mother had been identified.

There was a "sizeable underestimate" in official statistics of neonaticides. The official statistics put the figure of the unlawful killing of at 0.39 per 100,000 births for the same regions over the same period.

But the court data point to 2.1 per 100,000, equal to a rate that is actually five times higher.

When the authors analysed the mothers' profiles, they found that the perception of a young poor, unemployed, single woman as the culprit was not borne out by the evidence.

The judicial data showed that the average age of women who unlawfully killed their babies was 26. One in three had at least three children already. Two thirds had not used contraception while the rest used it irregularly for this particular pregnancy.

More than half lived with the dead child's father and two thirds were employed in jobs similar to those of women in the general population.

None of the women seemed to be obviously mentally ill, nor had there been any clear denial of the pregnancy - factors often said to be associated with these cases. No history of the mother having been abused as a child had been recorded either.

But all the pregnancies had been concealed from family and friends. No deliveries took place in medical facilities, and all but three of the 17 women gave birth secretly and alone. Almost half the women were depressed.

What distinguished them were their low levels of self esteem, emotional immaturity, dependency on others, and fear of being abandoned by them.

"Feeling very much alone, and for nearly half of them, depressed, [these women] probably did not have complete control over their lives or their sexuality," say the authors. "Neonaticide thus appears as a solution when an unwanted pregnancy risks creating a family scandal, or the loss of one's partner or a satisfying lifestyle," they continue.

"Our findings suggest that preventive action, targeting only young, poor, unemployed and single women, or in pregnancy denial, may not be appropriate," they add.

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geokstr
2.5 / 5 (8) Dec 13, 2010
Gosh, who woulda thunk it?

After 40 years of hearing that the fetus is just a cancerous-type growth, what's the big deal if the "tumor" gets exorcised after it gets removed, right?

Even Obama fought against a law protecting the life of the "lump" if it happened to survive a botched abortion, so now they just dump the living, breathing, healthy human child in the trash can when that happens.

But the animal rights nuts have nothing to say about it. Instead, they'll blow up your lab and threaten your life if you happen to use animals in research. Heck, Switzerland wants to give rights to broccoli.

Good thing we've got lefties looking out for us humans.
freethinking
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 13, 2010
The statistics are that the #1 killers of born children are their mothers, #2 killers of children are the boy friends (not fathers) of the mothers. #3 killer of children, strangers. #4 is the fathers.

Make no mistake Lefties don't care about children, gays, unemployed, wealfare recipients they are nothing but instruments to power. They use the language of caring to push their control agenda.
jjoensuu
5 / 5 (3) Dec 14, 2010
ok so "Lefties" (not referring to left-handed people) may not be "good" (I leave the interpretaion of that term here to the reader) but the responsibility for any killing of any infants lies with the perpetrators, not with anyone else.
Raveon
3 / 5 (4) Dec 14, 2010
geokstr, that is a lie. Only when you twist the facts to suit your own beliefs can you come up with those conclusions. No one kills living viable babies outside the womb. And I believe in animal rights, and I think abortions and partial birth abortions are wrong, I also happen to believe a woman has a right to choose and that supercedes my or any males beliefs, let alone religious nuts.

Check your facts before you post right wing propaganda, this isn't FOX.
http://www.factch...ide.html

You proabaly won't like this website since it will probably label as a lie most of what you believe.
lexington
not rated yet Dec 14, 2010
Hey, at least its not abortion right?
geokstr
1 / 5 (2) Dec 14, 2010
Raveon:
geokstr, that is a lie.

Don't call me a liar, leftling. It's the leftists who have little use for honesty.

Here is a story about 66 babies born alive but left to die after botched abortions by the wonderful NHS in the UK in one year alone, found in one quick google:
http://www.dailym...ong.html

It happens a LOT more in the United States too, as there are a LOT more abortions here. Check your own fact before you start calling names.

And your own cite is very very hazy about Obama and his truthfulness on this issue. Better read it again yourself, if you know how.

And 95% of all abortions are for the convenience of the mother, not to save her life, or because of incest or rape, before you throw out that canard. And few of them used birth control either.
Skeptic_Heretic
3 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2010
Even Obama fought against a law protecting the life of the "lump" if it happened to survive a botched abortion, so now they just dump the living, breathing, healthy human child in the trash can when that happens.
Perhaps if conservatives educated their children in how to use condoms, little Jenny wouldn't be dropping her newborn child in the dumpster after prom.
Quantum_Conundrum
not rated yet Dec 19, 2010
Perhaps if conservatives educated their children in how to use condoms, little Jenny wouldn't be dropping her newborn child in the dumpster after prom.


People used to marry much younger, often mid to late teens, and live on a farm where they personally produced 99% of what they needed to live.

Today, there is so much pressure about education and career that people often have a perception that they do not have "time" to be a parent, or a "reason" to get married.

When this sort of thing happens in christian families it is embarassing, but people deal with it, and they do not throw away their babies.

I have a cousin who had her baby when she was in high school, and he is now a healthy 15 year old boy, with a 13 year old little sister. My cousin was married to their father for 10 years before they got divorced because he became abusive.
geokstr
1 / 5 (1) Dec 19, 2010
Perhaps if conservatives educated their children in how to use condoms, little Jenny wouldn't be dropping her newborn child in the dumpster after prom.

Cite, please, on how it's conservatives that do this, and of course, by use of a phony group ad hom, you avoided the whole question of killing children born alive during botched abortions. It would be nice to see some study showing how all the abortion doctors are "conservatives", too, while you're at it.

While we're conjecturing, I'll surmise that it is liberals and other supporters of the Democrats who have the majority of the abortions.
frajo
not rated yet Dec 19, 2010
The subject of abortion most of the time is considered to be a subject of ethics, religion, or ideology.
But in reality it's a subject of class war.

The wealthy and mighty never in history had any problem to get rid of their unwanted offspring, be it before or after birth. It were the commons, the poor who had to be afraid of not being able to pay a clandestine doctor or to have a journey abroad or to abide by the law.

Knowingly or unknowingly - anti-choice promoters are trying to turn back the wheel of history.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Dec 19, 2010
While we're conjecturing, I'll surmise that it is liberals and other supporters of the Democrats who have the majority of the abortions.
You'd be wrong on that. http://www.msnbc...._health/
http://www.washin...164.html
Knowingly or unknowingly - anti-choice promoters are trying to turn back the wheel of history.
Exactly right.
geokstr
1 / 5 (1) Dec 19, 2010
I'll surmise that it is liberals and other supporters of the Democrats who have the majority of the abortions.

You'd be wrong on that. http://www.msnbc...._health/
http://www.washin...164.html

Really? From your link:
"About 13 percent of American women are black, yet new figures from the Centers for Disease Control show they account for 35 percent of the abortions."

Last I heard, blacks voted for Democrats about 19-1.
New York, New Jersey, California, Delaware, Nevada, Maryland and Florida had the highest abortion rates in 2005...

Such red states, too, where all these abortions are happening.

It says hispanics have a disproportionate number, too, and they sure vote republican a lot, right?

If Caucasians who have abortions split 50-50 between Dems and Reps (which is doubtful, because nearly all pro-lifers are conservatives), then a large majority of those having abortions are liberals or supporters of Democrats by simple math.

I rest my case.

Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Dec 20, 2010
I rest my case.
You've rested it far too early. Keep digging into the figures. BTW, having a prolife stance doesn't appear to dissuade people from getting abortions regardless.

Also below in the link it also states that those states that you proclaim to have the highest in abortions don't submit their stats. Read the whole article.
geokstr
1 / 5 (1) Dec 20, 2010
Read the whole article.

I did read the whole thing, three times in fact. I am at a loss to see where it supports your assertion that conservatives and/or supporters of the Republican Party have the majority of abortions.

Blacks have 35% of abortions. Hispanics are disproportionately represented. Both groups vote overwhelmingly Democratic. So that's probably 45-50% of all abortions already, and it seems likely that those who believe in it politically (liberals/leftists) would have a large chunk of what is left over.

So I read the article. I stated (twice) my logic. You have not done so even once, just asserted that I was wrong about the majority of abortions being had by liberals and supporters of the Democratic Party, and that this article proved you right.

Please explain how your reading of the same article supports your position. Show your work.

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