Study finds Neanderthals ate their veggies

I'm wondering how they cooked grains in a fire w/o containers, goat stomachs maybe?

i believe in africa some tribes cook fish by making fire until the wood glows like charqoal then put out the flames and on the glowing remains and cover with a layer of sand to trap the heat so inbetween will cook but not burn, a goat stomach or likewise would further be usefull to keep small particulates like grain together and from sand polluting, coiuld very well be like thats how it happened

Grains can also be mashed and formed into a ball or a disk and cooked on a hot rock.

Tubers can be buried and the fire built above them. Or they might be pierced by green sticks and cooked like you would roast marshmellows.

Water can be boiled within a container made of leaves.

Flat rocks can be heated and vegetables and meat roasted/fried upon it. Unleavened bread may also be made using this method

Guess you were never a Boy Scout

How did man know what foods were edible?
How do the animals know what plants were edible?
If it was done through trial and error, whole
species would die out.

They look like humans, eat like humans, make tools like humans, make art and cosmetics like humans, procreate like humans, hunt like humans, think like humans. So what exactly makes them non-human?

How did man know what foods were edible?
How do the animals know what plants were edible?
If it was done through trial and error, whole
species would die out.

It is wonderful how the human body can so easily direct your desires and necesities, yet how little the average ignorant man can discern from such knowledge. With even the slightest sence of critical thinking, anyone would come to the conclusion that taste and smell are such critical aspects of every human that to simply ignore it makes you ignorant, and to not understand it would make you beyond stupid.

How did man know what foods were edible?
How do the animals know what plants were edible?
If it was done through trial and error, whole
species would die out.

Your logic only works if everyone in a tribe all take a bite of something at the same time, then another also all at the same time, and another...untill all fall down. Even so, human bodies are variable in reaction to chemicals, so not neccessarily all will die before they decided the stuff is lethal and tell others. We all know from the news of some freaks who are 6 times or more over BAC and still on their feet or driving, while others will be pushing up daisies from the same amount of alcohol.

I'm wondering how they cooked grains in a fire w/o containers, goat stomachs maybe?

There would seem to be many possibilities. Perhaps leather or some kind of sturdy leaf, that could hold the grains while they slowly cook at low temperature. Perhaps a flat slab of stone, on which foods can be placed and roasted. Perhaps pots hewn out of soapstone(which is soft enough to scratch with a finger nail). Perhaps the grains where still attached to the stem and chaff while being roasted.

They look like humans

Not quite like modern humans. A different species of human

eat like humans

To some extent. There are differences in what they ate. Then again there are differences in what modern humans eat

make tools like humans

They didn't develop blade technology

make art and cosmetics like humans

No known art though they may have made some fairly crude beads AFTER meeting modern humans. No evidence for cosmetics

procreate like humans

We don't know their gestation time for instance nor whether the women went into heat like the rest primates except modern humans.

hunt like humans

For crude definitions of hunt. No atl-atl, no known missles of any kind

think like humans

The lack of art and technical advancement shows otherwise

So what exactly makes them non-human?

They are human IF they could interbreed and that is still an open question. They also went extinct 25,000 years ago. 4 times longer than you think the world existed.

Ethelred

We don't know their gestation time for instance nor whether the women went into heat like the rest primates except modern humans.

The farther away from the equator animals live, the more seasonal their reproduction becomes in order to give birth with maximum time for youngsters to grow before the next winter. If Neanderthals had begun to evolve in this direction then it would explain why they were replaced by the cromags. As they came into conflict the tropical cromags simply out-reproduced them, much like any invasive species.

An apt model for the reproductive warfare that the successful religions have used to conquer the world. And which they continue to use today at everyones peril.

They look like humans, eat like humans, make tools like humans, make art and cosmetics like humans, procreate like humans, hunt like humans, think like humans. So what exactly makes them non-human?

What makes a Bonobo different from a Chimpanzee, an African (forest) Elephant different from an African (savanna) Elephant and those two different from an Indian Elephant? Should I go on?

It is one thing to be igner'nt; it is a completely different thing to be willfully ignorant.

Neanderthals never went extinct. That guy in the picture looks like somebody I used to shoot pool with back in high school.

Wow, this is a pretty big discovery. I was under the impression that neanderthals were in a constant state of ketosis and relied purely upon meat, offal, blood etc. for their nutrition. That they ate grain so long ago is also interesting.

Wow, this is a pretty big discovery. I was under the impression that neanderthals were in a constant state of ketosis and relied purely upon meat, offal, blood etc. for their nutrition.

-You mean like Inuit? Eskimo? or Mongols?

"They look like humans, eat like humans, make tools like humans, make art and cosmetics like humans, procreate like humans, hunt like humans, think like humans. So what exactly makes them non-human?"

Their feet did not have arches like ours. No other other primate has an arch therefore, Neandertals were not humans neither was/is Gigantopithicus.

Consider the gradual disappearance of occidentals from the far east, e.g. Ainu in Japan and the 7 mountain tribes on Taiwan, when the slightly higher IQ Mongols expanded into SE Asia over the past ca. 20,000 yrs.

It is really tragic to see how an extinct relative of Homo Sapiens sapiens'lifestyles got really trashed by the extant victors, and the hopelessly poignant defending actions of sympathizers of the evolutionary's fallen genus. Does this illustrates anything of the glorious present day Homo Sapiens Sapiens's psyches-who are quick to assert their superiority, to confirm the axiom of "history is written by the victorious?. It does. If the axiom is true, then all humans histories, records are suspect, fornicated, sodomized and worth a pile of mammoth's crap.

I'm wondering how they cooked grains in a fire w/o containers, goat stomachs maybe?

Mmmmm...Haggis à la Neanderthal.

It is really tragic to see how an extinct relative of Homo Sapiens sapiens'lifestyles got really trashed by the extant victors, and the hopelessly poignant defending actions of sympathizers of the evolutionary's fallen genus. Does this illustrates anything of the glorious present day Homo Sapiens Sapiens's psyches-who are quick to assert their superiority, to confirm the axiom of "history is written by the victorious?. It does. If the axiom is true, then all humans histories, records are suspect, fornicated, sodomized and worth a pile of mammoth's crap.

Your suggestions border on nihilism. Do you hate yourself? Your mother? Your father? Your fellow man?

Too sad.

Their feet did not have arches like ours. No other other primate has an arch therefore, Neandertals were not humans neither was/is Gigantopithicus.

Consider the gradual disappearance of occidentals from the far east, e.g. Ainu in Japan and the 7 mountain tribes on Taiwan, when the slightly higher IQ Mongols expanded into SE Asia over the past ca. 20,000 yrs.

there's no reason to believe neanderthals were any less capable than us, let alone speculate on their IQ scores being lower (nevermind the problems with IQ scores in the first place).

no neanderthal characteristic is outside the range of modern morphological variability. the major hallmark for hominids is habitual bipedality and neanderthals shared 99.7% of the same genetics as us. they were most certainly human.

just a different kind of human.

interestingly they did have bigger brains than us.

the Neanderthal looks like Lou Ferrigno

-You mean like Inuit? Eskimo? or Mongols?

None of those groups were 100% carnivorous as neanderthals were thought to be until just recently. It would be very difficult to support that brain size without carbohydrates, so this does make sense.

I think Neanderthals were bred out of existence, and absorbed into the gene pool. I question the wisdom of artists renderings of them being dark skinned and dark eyed. Why are northern Europeans fair skinned and blue eyed? I think it's because of the interbreeding with the Neanderthals. I think the reason "asians" look different is because they interbred with the Denisovans... the "out of africa" theory combined with interbreeding explains things, in my opinion.

Too many people are hopped up on special feelings of superiority... we're just some talking apes on a backwater planet at the podunk edge of an average galaxy... get over yourselves people.

I'm wondering how they cooked grains in a fire w/o containers, goat stomachs maybe?

Mmmmm...Haggis a la Neanderthal.

Holy smokes, I think you're on to something there! For those of you who insist that Neanderthals never invented art, I present Scotch Whiskey.