WikiLeaks to defy US demands on leaked cables

Nov 28, 2010 By MATTHEW LEE , Associated Press
This Aug. 14, 2010 file photo shows WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in Stockholm, Sweden. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday, Nov. 26, 2010 spoke with the Chinese government about the expected release of classified cables by the Wikileaks website. The release of hundreds of thousands of cables is expected this weekend, though Wikileaks has not specified the timing. (AP Photo/Scanpix/Bertil Ericson, File) SWEDEN OUT

(AP) -- The online website WikiLeaks says it will go ahead with the release of hundreds of thousands of classified State Department documents in defiance of U.S. demands not to publish the files.

The website appeared to be inaccessible, and WikiLeaks said in its Twitter feed that it was experiencing a . Nevertheless, WikiLeaks said that publications in the U.S. and Europe would print the leaked diplomatic cables even if it could not.

The group's founder, Julian Assange, also tells the U.S. ambassador to Britain that WikiLeaks won't bow to Washington's demands.

The Obama administration has been bracing for the release for the past week. Top officials have notified allies that the contents of the diplomatic cables could prove embarrassing because they contain candid assessments of foreign leaders.

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Ravenrant
3.6 / 5 (5) Nov 28, 2010
If their leaks damage our diplomatic relations with anyone then maybe we should have been more careful of what we did and said. I suspect that any revelations of bad conduct on our part will only make other people send them more stuff.
dtxx
3 / 5 (8) Nov 28, 2010
Time for a dirtnap for this guy. Enough is enough.
sstritt
2.3 / 5 (4) Nov 28, 2010
Time for a dirtnap for this guy. Enough is enough.

Why hasn't it happened? Maybe Obama Admin wants to use this crisis as their excuse to lock down the internet for national security reasons.
marjon
2.1 / 5 (7) Nov 28, 2010
If the US Govt were more aggressive about prosecuting leaks in the past, maybe the sources would not exist.

Depending upon what is in the leaks, those leaking the information my not wake up tomorrow. Some clandestine services don't have much oversight.
tigger
3.3 / 5 (9) Nov 28, 2010
Oh come on... this will be more of a laugh than anything else, try scraping that sand out of your Vagina and have a laugh along with the rest of the world U.S.A.

Don't you think leaders of EVERY country in the world bitches and moans about other leaders? Are they not human? C'mon... the leaders of various countries will have a laugh and maybe have some cause to be able to throw some rhetoric back at the U.S.A to help quench the tension... all in good humour.

Now, if there's bad shit that's been going down that has nothing to do with name calling then that's a different matter and much praise to WikiLeaks for having the balls to speak the truth about dirty little secrets.
Husky
5 / 5 (3) Nov 28, 2010
one of the spice highlights in the leaks is that Saudi Arabia and all the Arab Emirates perceive irans nuclear ambitions and pan-islamic ambitions as a very real threat, and want a millitary strike on their nuclear program.
but the emirates, being small and close to big neighbour Iran do not want to be held responsible for this, Saudi Arabia on the other hand recently closed a 40 billion dollar weapondeal with the usa, wich could be seen as reinforcing the allied strings, just like the blanc cheque the saudies wrote to bush senior to defend SA and kuwait against S.Hussain
Husky
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 28, 2010
What seems like an embarresing leak for the usa, could in fact be a mastermove of high stakes poker, if this leak was purposely done by us or israeli intelligence to "truth or dare" the Likes of Karzai and Ahmedinedjad. With these cards boldly put on the table, teheran knows all parties will be forced to side and show colour. Without any U.N. meeting everybody in the world is knows or at least lead to believe, a millitary strike on iran's government is a serious option
Husky
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 28, 2010
Furthermore compared to the middle east, there relatively little cabletwitter about imminent north-korean threat, maybe that's why the north korean found it was time to put themselves on the agenda again for long overdue paycheck. As for the candid informal descriptions of several national leaders, who wouldn't agree that putin is indeed "the alpha dog"or Sarcouzy an "emperor without clothes" ?
dtxx
1.7 / 5 (3) Nov 28, 2010
Time for a dirtnap for this guy. Enough is enough.

Why hasn't it happened? Maybe Obama Admin wants to use this crisis as their excuse to lock down the internet for national security reasons.


I usually don't agree with you, but that is an interesting question indeed.
dtxx
not rated yet Nov 29, 2010
PS I don't agree with the Obama Internets lockdown part... just why it hasn't happened yet...
I_Dont_Have_A_Name
1 / 5 (2) Nov 29, 2010
Our government or another government entity is Ddosing them the same way they did on july 26th 2010. Today 11/28/2010 the same thing is happening. Finally it came back up. However the pages still are riddled with errors. All Top Secret clearance are still 'unavailable'
Looks like USAF or NSA is having a freaking field day ;3
I'm calling conspiracy. Go read "Cyber War" by Richard A. Clarke
Skeptic_Heretic
4 / 5 (2) Nov 29, 2010
Husky, that was a rather shrewd and intelligent analysis, however, don't you see the potential rtammifications of sour words spoken of some of our more tenuous allies to be potentially damaging?

If we were to call Chavez, "a puppet playing general". Whilst slighting the middle east, I can see large scale consumer difficulties when they strangle our energy supplies.
sstritt
1 / 5 (2) Nov 29, 2010
PS I don't agree with the Obama Internets lockdown part... just why it hasn't happened yet...

I'm not saying I necessarily believe it myself, just throwing it out for discussion. As for why this guy is still around- thats whats fishy about this whole thing. Unless US knew what he was going to leak, how could they afford to let him continue?
Arkaleus
3.3 / 5 (4) Nov 29, 2010
Clearly there are many Americans here who no longer participate in the ideology of our Constitutional founders. They seem to prefer the iron fasces of Mussolini, or the totalitarian conquest of the NAZIs above the inheritance they received from their ancestors.

These strange "Americans" begin to ape the ghosts of our past enemies while committing the same crimes against the innocent and the weak.

The present world does not justify these extreme innovations; the world has always been evil and violence has always been among us. There was vast atrocity and terror in past times (Even greater than now!) but never before has such lawless imperialism gained hold of our national government, at least since the genocide of the American aborigines.

This generation will ever be remembered for its infantile tyranny and betrayal of our common social trust. They murder with no justice, lie with no hesitation, and treat madness with the dignities only due the highest wisdom.
otto1932
1.3 / 5 (24) Nov 29, 2010
@arkalectomy
Nice speech (no it wasn't). Does the concept of enemy mean anything at all to you? Why do you have it in your mind that the US creates it's enemies? Did the US create the Nazis or Mussolini? Do you actually think the US created Islamic fundamentalism? Do you see the similarities between it and the spread of both fascism and communism in Eurasia? It's a lot of questions I know- take your time.

If the US had listened to the people like you before ww2, places like new jersey would be full of Italian faeces.

Like Lou noonetti said after he beat the crap out of me in the 8th grade, 'Sometimes you GOTTA fight.'
They murder with no justice, lie with no hesitation, and treat madness with the dignities only due the highest wisdom.
The Enemy always does.
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Nov 29, 2010
Time for a dirtnap for this guy. Enough is enough.

Why hasn't it happened? Maybe Obama Admin wants to use this crisis as their excuse to lock down the internet for national security reasons.
It could be a clever way of releasing propaganda designed to further isolate Iran in preparation for -war?

A sad fact of standing armies- if they are not used they become a danger to the state. Enemies will not fear them and the citizens will not trust their ability to fight. They will also question their need to exist. Macchiavelli said this. Armies will inevitably turn on their own people.

Hussein was once asked why he invaded Kuwait. He said 'My army was getting to be a problem.' So he sent them out into the desert and the US obediently carpet-bombed them, as they did the Taliban before the afghan invasion.
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Nov 29, 2010
Iran has one of the most powerful and restless standing armies in the world. The revolutionary guard is already a potent political and economic force and the govt indeed fears them. the west has been given an irresistible invitation to attack with the development of nuclear weapons capability.

Additionally, the recently-appointed budget committee in the US is recommending a 40%? cut in military budgets. It's second front, north Korea, has already provided a convenient response; and it too has an army which hasn't fought in a few gens. Looks like a win-win-win situation coming up.

But I could be wrong.
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Nov 29, 2010
Now, for all you otto-bashers, just let me say that I meant 'win-win-win' from the perspective of the militaries wanting and needing to justify their existence. I meant it in a SARCASTIC way. Honest.

If a standing army exists, sooner or later it will be used. It's existence makes it's use inevitable. Bash macchiavelli not me.
frajo
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 30, 2010
Armies will inevitably turn on their own people.

It's existence makes it's use inevitable.

You can't do without "inevitability", do you?

Bash macchiavelli not me.
It's your decision to preach Machiavelli instead of harmony. This decision is not inevitable.
Cynikal
4.8 / 5 (4) Nov 30, 2010
Why does everyone make Assange out to be some grand mastermind - he gets information anonymously, verifies it, then publishes it. It's no different from the NY Times doing the exact same thing, except the US has absolutely no control over Assange. Maybe instead of getting pissed off at an online journalist the military network should get a long-overdue overhaul and plug the myriad of leaks it seems to have sprung.

Time for a dirtnap for this guy. Enough is enough.


I'm sure there are several governments out for his head, which is why Assange has admitted to staying with friends and family in random countries for fear of repercussions. But even if he were to be taken out, the idea has already been planted on the Internet, so some anonymous new face(s) could pick up right where he left off.
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Nov 30, 2010
It's your decision to preach Machiavelli instead of harmony. This decision is not inevitable.
Preach- no. Report- yes. You think that your preaching harmony can change anything at all? You fantasize. Otto tries to understand reality and talks about it here. Do you see the difference? No you don't.
otto1932
1.2 / 5 (23) Nov 30, 2010
Frajo would rather deny reality because it is too unpleasant, right? Like any catholic at heart. Science looks at evidence and draws conclusions based upon it, regardless of wither they like them or not.

Macchiavelli stated truths. Frajo does not like them. Too bad. Frajo only chooses philos whose preachings make her dumb but happy like everyone else. And so she has no hope of changing anything.

You want true happiness? Preach for an end to the real cause of conflict, the thing which makes armies necessary and macchiavellianism inevitable- religion. Accept reality and follow it wherever it leads, fearlessly. It will lead you to this conclusion. Always.
Arkaleus
3.2 / 5 (5) Nov 30, 2010
My friend Frajo, others:

For those who fantasize about empires, conquest and give your will to the absolute power of the state, let me explain the times to you.

When Rome when conquering, it was successful because it was profitable. They gained land, plunder, taxation and tribune. They swelled their legions with conscripts from the conquered and Rome became a world power.

Our imperial conquests have proven enormously expensive in treasure and time, but have not returned a profit. The proven imperial model of conquest for resources was not fully implemented by our would-be emperors, and our activities are a gigantic net loss to the empire.

We see the failure of American imperialism by simple math - it's not complicated political science.

So rally for the US federal imperialists, the bank-states, the eco-socialists, or whatever tyrannical faction you want, but the fact remains that you need to gain more than you lose, or you fall.
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Nov 30, 2010
We see the failure of American imperialism by simple math - it's not complicated political science.

So rally for the US federal imperialists, the bank-states, the eco-socialists, or whatever tyrannical faction you want, but the fact remains that you need to gain more than you lose, or you fall
-And you failed to address any of my questions. Are they too painful or unpleasant for you as well?

Set your dogma aside for just a minute. If the US and euro allies had been prepared to move against nazi germany, and if they had done so, when it first began its aggression in the 30s, would you have called this Imperialism? Yes you would have.

Is it reasonable to assume that the west has learned to avoid being unprepared and strategically ineffective because we were previously caught unprepared, and the world wars were the result? Of course it is.

You and frajo want to wait until we are fighting for our lives. Why? You waiting for divine intervention maybe? Subconsciously??
otto1932
1 / 5 (23) Nov 30, 2010
Your dogma makes you feel good and wins you friends among your peers. But it is obviously misplaced on a website which cherishes discovery based on facts, and the rejection of dogma for the acceptance of reality, whatever it may be.
Arkaleus
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 30, 2010
Otto, I find speaking with you painful and unpleasant, since I'm not sure which of your megalomaniac personalities I'm addressing. Is it Otto in the first person, or Otto in the third person removed?

You keep ranting about some "reality" that I need to see, why not just describe it for me? I am so curious to hear about the ultimate "real" you discovered that all of us libertine dupes have missed.

Who are our enemies, Otto? What are they like? Who are we for that matter, and what are we like? What are the differences between us?

What "threat" do you most fear from our "enemies?"
Modernmystic
2 / 5 (4) Nov 30, 2010

Who are our enemies, Otto? What are they like? Who are we for that matter, and what are we like? What are the differences between us?

What "threat" do you most fear from our "enemies?"


An answer from you would be nice on all those too. If we have no enemies/or there is no difference between us, I'll buy a ticket for you to move to Iran and GTFO...
Arkaleus
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 30, 2010
OK fair 'nuff.

Our enemies:
Those who would murder us or destroy our lands. They include those who construct devices to enslave us economically, those who systematically lie to us in order to manipulate our perceptions, or those who violate the laws limiting government or the natural rights of human beings.

They are ranked according to an actual ability to do these things.

Naturally, foreign enemies occasionally challenge our ramparts; yet it disturbs me when agents infiltrate posing as natural citizens. I suppose we can recognize their nationality by the ideologies they admire - Imperial Roman, British monarchist, NAZI, green, globalist, socialist, what have you.

Perhaps it would be better for foreign agents to register properly when entering our land, so to avoid misunderstandings.

At the very least they should preface their ideological arguments to replace our social order with their own as a proposal, instead referring to it in the present tense like some.
otto1932
1 / 5 (21) Dec 04, 2010
Arkloss,

Somebody posted this recently. Imagine millions of them with the ability to do what they want to to us. All of us. They are our enemies. Millions of them exist. That is reality.

http://www.youtub...a_player

Doesn't this concern you?
otto1932
1 / 5 (21) Dec 05, 2010
Are you prepared to become muslim? If not, this man or millions of people just like him will seek to kill you. Are you willing to oppose them or not?
http://www.youtub...=related
Arkaleus
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 05, 2010
Otto,

Your video link shows me an angry trog pounding his chest for his particular tribal cult. The measured threat of tribes such as these is measured in old firearms, pickup trucks, and perhaps small amounts of explosives. He appears to be in his own land, and doesn't seem capable of launching an invasion to the west by land, air or sea. That is the threshold of "threat" to the west, Otto, not some delusional cultist ranting on the internet. These "enemies" are media creations.

The ability of troglodyte tribes to threaten our existence, let alone forcibly rule our societies is a fantastic sarcasm. He is a police problem and him and his friends can be safely handled by our existing laws and law enforcement personnel.

A far greater threat to our liberty are the those among us who wish to rule without law. They kill more than Achmed the angry.

Learn about who our enemies really are:
http://www.youtub...=related

otto1932
1 / 5 (21) Dec 06, 2010
[Yousef Al-Khattab] now runs his website and is a follower of Yusuf al Qaradawi:
"Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them- even though they exaggerated this issue- he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers."
http://en.wikiped...Qaradawi

-and the platform of The Muslim Brotherhood:
"...is an Islamist transnational movement... The group is the world's oldest and largest Islamic political group."

"...the Quran and Sunna constitute a perfect... political organization that God has set out for man. Islamic governments must be based on this system and eventually unified in a Caliphate."

"all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within..."
otto1932
1 / 5 (20) Dec 06, 2010
Your video link shows me an angry trog pounding his chest for his particular tribal cult. The measured threat of tribes such as these is measured in old firearms, pickup trucks, and perhaps small amounts of explosives. He appears to be in his own land, and doesn't seem capable of launching an invasion to the west by land, air or sea. That is the threshold of "threat" to the west, Otto, not some delusional cultist ranting on the internet. These "enemies" are media creations.
Per the info above, my video showed you representatives of huge political movements intent on destroying the west and israel. Does this this give you an inkling of how willfully ignorant you are dear sir?
http://en.wikiped...therhood

-When I post something you should at least do a minimum amount of research necessary to avoid embarrassing yourself. These individuals are influential and they represent groups that would do us and our allies harm.

They are enemies.
otto1932
1 / 5 (21) Dec 06, 2010
-And frajo is just as willfully ignorant and malicious for rewarding you for responding without either of you knowing anything about the subject. But of course that is not required for ideologues is it?

"On the issue of women and gender the Muslim Brotherhood interprets Islam conservatively. Its founder called for "a campaign against ostentation in dress and loose behavior," "segregation of male and female students," a separate curriculum for girls, and "the prohibition of dancing and other such pastimes..."" This of course means niqab, burka, limited rights, stoning, etc.

They are enemies.
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Dec 06, 2010
Business Plot, 1933
http://en.wikiped...ess_Plot

-About the time fascists were reaching full power overseas and war plans were gearing up?

"While historians have questioned whether or not a coup was actually close to execution, most agree that some sort of "wild scheme" was contemplated and discussed. Contemporaneous media initially dismissed the plot, with a New York Times editorial characterizing it as a "gigantic hoax"."

"No one was procecuted."

-Who's the CT nutcase now eh? Do you think that this was more likely the effort to set the publics mind against a future enemy, in the same way McCarthys actions showed people that there were communists behind every door?
otto1932
1 / 5 (22) Dec 06, 2010
Per the 2nd video I posted:

"Only muslims are innocent... non-muslims have not accepted islam and as far as we are concerned that is a crime against god... I must have hatred for everything non-muslim."

"The British Mullah (in an interview that took place around June of 2007) declares it's OK for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, and he states that he will not condemn anything that one his "Muslim brothers" does."

-Which includes terrorist atrocities committed against civilians in western countries; because muslims dont recognize the western term 'civilian'. A person is either a combatant or a non-combatant.

If they are non-muslim then they are guilty of a crime against god, according to the mullah.

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