US tries to contain damage from leaked documents (Update 2)
November 29, 2010 By MATTHEW LEE , Associated Press
This Aug. 14, 2010 file photo shows WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in Stockholm, Sweden. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday, Nov. 26, 2010 spoke with the Chinese government about the expected release of classified cables by the Wikileaks website. The release of hundreds of thousands of cables is expected this weekend, though Wikileaks has not specified the timing. (AP Photo/Scanpix/Bertil Ericson, File) SWEDEN OUT
(AP) -- The release of more than 250,000 classified State Department documents forced the Obama administration into damage control, trying to contain fallout from unflattering assessments of world leaders and revelations about backstage U.S. diplomacy.
The publication of the secret memos and documents amplified widespread global alarm about Iran's nuclear ambitions and unveiled occasional U.S. pressure tactics aimed at hot spots in Afghanistan, Pakistan and North Korea. The leaks also disclosed bluntly candid impressions from both diplomats and other world leaders about America's allies and foes.
Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini called the release the "Sept. 11 of world diplomacy," in that everything that had once been accepted as normal has now changed.
In the wake of the massive document dump by online whistleblower WikiLeaks and numerous media reports detailing their contents, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was expected to address the diplomatic repercussions on Monday. Clinton could deal with the impact first hand after she leaves Washington on a four-nation tour of Central Asia and the Middle East - a region that figures prominently in the leaked documents.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, called the release very damaging.
"The catastrophic issue here is just a breakdown in trust," he said Monday, adding that many other countries - allies and foes alike - are likely to ask, 'Can the United States be trusted? Can the United States keep a secret?' "
In London, David Field, a spokesman for British Prime Minister David Cameron, said "it's important that governments are able to operate on the basis of confidentiality of information." French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero said "we strongly deplore the deliberate and irresponsible release of American diplomatic correspondence by the site Wikileaks.:"
Pakistan's foreign ministry said it was an "irresponsible disclosure of sensitive official documents" while Iraq's foreign minister, Hoshyar Zebari, called the document release "unhelpful and untimely." In Australia, Assange's home country, Attorney General Robert McClelland said law enforcement officials were investigating whether WikiLeaks broke any laws.
The encrypted e-mails and other documents unearthed new revelations about long-simmering nuclear trouble spots, detailing U.S., Israeli and Arab world fears of Iran's growing nuclear program, American concerns about Pakistan's atomic arsenal and U.S. discussions about a united Korean peninsula as a long-term solution to North Korean aggression.
None of the disclosures appeared particularly explosive, but their publication could become problems for the officials concerned and for any secret initiatives they had preferred to keep quiet. The massive release of material intended for diplomatic eyes only is sure to ruffle feathers in foreign capitals, a certainty that already prompted U.S. diplomats to scramble in recent days to shore up relations with key allies in advance of the leaks.
At Clinton's first stop in Astana, Kazakhstan, she will be attending a summit of officials from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, a diplomatic grouping that includes many officials from countries cited in the leaked cables.
The documents published by The New York Times, France's Le Monde, Britain's Guardian newspaper, German magazine Der Spiegel and others laid out the behind-the-scenes conduct of Washington's international relations, shrouded in public by platitudes, smiles and handshakes at photo sessions among senior officials.
The White House immediately condemned the release of the WikiLeaks documents, saying "such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals and people around the world who come to the United States for assistance in promoting democracy and open government."
U.S. officials may also have to mend fences after revelations that they gathered personal information on other diplomats. The leaks cited American memos encouraging U.S. diplomats at the United Nations to collect detailed data about the U.N. secretary general, his team and foreign diplomats - going beyond what is considered the normal run of information-gathering expected in diplomatic circles.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley played down the diplomatic spying allegations. "Our diplomats are just that, diplomats," he said. "They collect information that shapes our policies and actions. This is what diplomats, from our country and other countries, have done for hundreds of years."
The White House noted that "by its very nature, field reporting to Washington is candid and often incomplete information. It is not an expression of policy, nor does it always shape final policy decisions."
"Nevertheless, these cables could compromise private discussions with foreign governments and opposition leaders, and when the substance of private conversations is printed on the front pages of newspapers across the world, it can deeply impact not only U.S. foreign policy interests, but those of our allies and friends around the world," the White House said.
On its website, The New York Times said "the documents serve an important public interest, illuminating the goals, successes, compromises and frustrations of American diplomacy in a way that other accounts cannot match."
Le Monde said it "considered that it was part of its mission to learn about these documents, to make a journalistic analysis and to make them available to its readers." Der Spiegel said that in publishing the documents its reporters and editors "weighed the public interest against the justified interest of countries in security and confidentiality."
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange claimed the administration was trying to cover up alleged evidence of serious "human rights abuse and other criminal behavior" by the U.S. government. WikiLeaks posted the documents just hours after it claimed its website had been hit by a cyberattack that made the site inaccessible for much of the day.
But extracts of the more than 250,000 documents posted online by news outlets that had been given advance copies of the documents showed deep U.S. concerns about Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs along with fears about regime collapse in Pyongyang.
The Guardian said some cables showed King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia repeatedly urging the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear program. The newspaper also said officials in Jordan and Bahrain have openly called for Iran's nuclear program to be stopped by any means and that leaders of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt referred to Iran "as 'evil,' an 'existential threat' and a power that 'is going to take us to war,'" The Guardian said.
Those documents may prove the trickiest because even though the concerns of the Gulf Arab states are known, their leaders rarely offer such stark appraisals in public.
The Times highlighted documents that indicated the U.S. and South Korea were "gaming out an eventual collapse of North Korea" and discussing the prospects for a unified country if the isolated, communist North's economic troubles and political transition lead it to implode.
The Times also cited diplomatic messages describing unsuccessful U.S. efforts to prod Pakistani officials to remove highly enriched uranium from a reactor out of fear that the material could be used to make an illicit atomic device. And the newspaper cited exchanges showing Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, telling Gen. David Petraeus that his country would pretend that American missile strikes against a local al-Qaida group had come from Yemen's forces.
The paper also cited documents showing the U.S. used hardline tactics to win approval from countries to accept freed detainees from Guantanamo Bay. It said Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if its president wanted to meet with President Barack Obama and said the Pacific island of Kiribati was offered millions of dollars to take in a group of detainees.
It also cited a message from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing that included allegations from a Chinese contact that China's Politburo directed a cyber intrusion into Google's computer systems as part of a "coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws."
Le Monde said another memo asked U.S. diplomats to collect basic contact information about U.N. officials that included Internet passwords, credit card numbers and frequent flyer numbers. They were asked to obtain fingerprints, ID photos, DNA and iris scans of people of interest to the United States, Le Monde said.
The Times said another batch of documents raised questions about Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and his relationship with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. One cable said Berlusconi "appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin" in Europe, the Times reported.
Der Spiegel reported that the documents portrayed German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle in unflattering terms. It said American diplomats saw Merkel as risk-averse and Westerwelle as largely powerless.
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, meanwhile, was described as erratic and in the near constant company of a Ukrainian nurse who was described in one cable as "a voluptuous blonde," according to the Times.
The State Department's top lawyer warned Assange late Saturday that lives and military operations would be put at risk if the cables were released. Legal adviser Harold Koh said WikiLeaks would be breaking the law if it went ahead. He also rejected a request from Assange to cooperate in removing sensitive details from the documents.
Hoekstra was interviewed Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America" and CBS's "The Early Show."
More information: http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/
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Nov 29, 2010
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These countries are the two most nonsensical and the UN should limit their influence in other countries affairs.
Osama Bin Laden was right about the USA is not "Pagan" it is full of heathens.
Nov 29, 2010
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This of course includes all finacial, personnel, military, sustinance and all other forms of support of the UN and all accosicated programs.
What? The US and UK provide 30% of the UN funds? Oh well, they will just have to get by with less then wont they?
Oh where were you wanting them to relocate to? We can use that building for something constructive.
Nov 29, 2010
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Now I understand that you can't arrest the media once info is leaked, but it's different with Assange because he setup a means of leaking classified doc's therefor he is a part of the conspiracy to release top secret doc's.
Nov 29, 2010
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These strange "Americans" begin to ape the ghosts of our past enemies while committing the same crimes against the innocent and the weak.
The present world does not justify these extreme innovations; the world has always been evil and violence has always been among us. There was vast atrocity and terror in past times (Even greater than now!) but never before has such lawless imperialism gained hold of our national government, at least since the genocide of the American aborigines.
This generation will ever be remembered for its infantile tyranny and betrayal of our common social trust. They murder with no justice, lie with no hesitation, and treat madness with the dignities only due the highest wisdom.
Nov 29, 2010
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You understand nothing. assange is not a US Citizen, and therefore cannot be accused of treason. He hasn't broken any International or Common Law.
If you are so anxious to prosecute, why aren't you screaming for the arrest and conviction of the people who routinely leak information from the Justice Department, State Department, US Attorney General's Office, The Pentagon, et c, et c- on a more or less daily basis, and simply for political gain?
Nov 29, 2010
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You can be certain that those leaks directly affect the lives of far more Citizens and Servicepeople than these wikileaks will.
But that's the BIG, IMPORTANT difference between them- the Wikileaks are going to cause pain for elected and appointed officials, government relations, and business, and of course, those are the only interests that really matter, and you brainwashed sockpuppets prove it -every time you defend those interests by hypocritically calling for a jihad against WikiLeaks.
Nov 29, 2010
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Nov 29, 2010
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You know they can't arrest him. Are you suggesting the US government send a hitman to find him and murder him in his sleep?
If so, I direct you to Arkaleus's comment above.
Nov 29, 2010
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Are you a god, a king or perhaps a president?
You are the one to decide what is right or not?
Is your government the one to decide what is right or not for you?
What gives anyone the right to decide for anyone else? Dont you want to be free and decide for yourself?
Dont you think everyone has the basic right for freedom? So what is the first step to gaining freedom? Maybe by knowing the truth?
Enough rhetorics.
You are just an-other brain washed sheep, and you are forgetting that we all live in the same world and that we are all living beings.
Nov 29, 2010
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Get the truth out, its our basic right as it is part of freedom and our rights as a human race.
As for ppl with primitive mindsets like Noumenon, please GTFO.
Nov 29, 2010
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An example is that Adolph Hitler was the only leader to talk for humans 1000 years. A thousand years of plans is an enormous amount of time to plan for in a country.
The problem is that the so called "good" countries like USA and England decided to involve themselves in years they had no account for not even today. The result is perversion that is so obvious people are tired of it.
Professional athletes and politicians alike having pre-marital sex like its Adolph's birthday every day. It supports Adolph Hitler's ideals not the ideal of marriage--- reproduction, construction.
Unprofessional--Looking up to pre-marital sex athletes, politicians, teachers, it is the perversion and turning out from World War human beings have to realize.
Nov 29, 2010
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False.
Nov 29, 2010
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I'm not sure what the point of your post is. Assange is a crusader for some idealistic cause, one for which even an 11 year old girl knows is cartoonishly naive. Exposing the Truth. You have no intrinsic right to classified information. Further it is outright dangerous for a government to be completely transparent. No gov in human history has ever operated that way for good reason. There are things the public should not know. Things that are a matter of national security and international strategy.
Hmmm, what gives the dolt Assange the right to decide what should not be classified or not? Is he competent with respect to international diplomacy? Do diplomats have a right to keep things secret? You mush-head idealists are never willing to deal with as they are, only as "they should be" as assessed by your limited perspective.
Nov 29, 2010
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How perverted it is that nobody is questioning whether these type of deranged messages themselves aren't the problem.
What would happen to any of us if we sent emails calling names and ridicule of our customers - We'd be fired.
Assange will go down in history, I think as a visionary, because the lies of governments don't ultimately survive the historical examination.
Lying governments are no answer.
Nov 29, 2010
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Under what cosmic authority? I don't have to abide by Chinese laws. Neither does Assange have to abide by U.S. Laws. That is of course unless you subscribe to the New World Order.
You should re-read your statement, its logically bogus. Just because something has never been done doesn't mean that its the wrong thing to do.
Do you think the world isn't paranoid enough? What this will show is that openess is only a threat to people who use secrecy for political power. The light shining on the cochroaches. I think there should be alot of people in the U.S. government being fired for behaving like jack-holes. Assange is just the messenger - the bad and corrupt behavior inside the U.S. government is the problem.
Nov 29, 2010
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Insofar as the release of this information merely embarrasses, or exposes duplicity and corruption, I applaud its release, and insofar as it puts American troops and operatives in real danger, I deplore it, but no more than the duplicity and corruption which are the real human source of such danger.
Nov 30, 2010
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I don't deplore any aggressor who is harmed.
And I don't care for nationalities.
Nov 30, 2010
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You guys live in a left-wing progressive idealistic fantasyland, ....open borders, redistributive wealth, anti-capitalistism, transparent diplomacy,... the supposed dishonesty all eradicated and so wars obsolete as misunderstandings become a thing of the past, and what to fight for anyway as wealth is distributed "fairly".
Even the lowest rank of PETA (mostly 9 year old girls) have more sense. This fantasyland not only does not exist in reality, it can not exist even in principal. Assange and you guys are doing good only in your own idealistic artificial mind.'In reality Assange (and the mental child Manning) is creating diplomatic damage he doesn't have the knowledge or capacity to understand or predict,.. and so on this bassis alone he should be shot on site or at last arrested.
Nov 30, 2010
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This is the thing, this is my point. Someone like you who decides in their little PETA'esque head how the world "should be" thinks they know best as opposed to everyone else who operates in the world as it is. You think you discovered something?
Also, the notion that the USA can't arrest the liberal "savior" Assange because he's not America, is more clueless drivel. All the USA has to do is get whatever country the dolt is from to extradite him to the USA, and there tried for espionage or conspiracy thereto. But beside that he can be captured and held indefinitely if it is deemed he is a threat to national security without trial,... all legal.
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How can you profess to support freedom when you can't determine what it actually is? If your government (and mine) hides every action behind a shroud of secrecy then the endgame will always be aggression and class warfare. To expose and create transparency, something that conservatives have been crying for decades about, reduces hostility.
This is why you don't like the progressive tax system, it seems unfair, this is why you don't like socialist policies, they seem unfair, but when someone comes forward and releases pure information, you have a problem with that.
Pick a consistent stance.
Nov 30, 2010
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Besides, maybe a little bit, your "genecides", "anti-capitalistism", "in principal", "bassis", "perticipated". Mens insana est.
Nov 30, 2010
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Science does not proclaim how nature "should be", it aims to uncover and take advantage of how it actually IS. I find freedom, capitalism, competition to be a beautiful nature force that has done great things, counter to ad-hoc oppressive governments such as dictatorships, socialism, and communism.
Nov 30, 2010
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In truth assange is probably doing what he has been told to do because his actions would have gotten him 'preempted' otherwise. Info and disinformation is routinely 'leaked' for a number of reasons- to expose spies and double agents, to implicate enemies, and to propagandize, which is probably the case here. It is also done to genuinely share info when actually giving it away would prove embarrassing.
Nov 30, 2010
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"Perhaps someday, but not today." -Gowron
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Yes, it's not possible to dislike such a dream, but if forced into being before it's time (but not today) it results in oppression. Such idealistic dreams don't exist in reality and probably can't even in principal. What about the rights of a country's leadership to hold their diplomatic strategy close to their chest for the good of their nation?
Nov 30, 2010
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"All of war is deception." -And until the threat of war is alleviated we must maintain the ability to deny the enemy any knowledge of how he may prevail, and of how we intend to prevail over him. Anything less would be surrender and the betrayal, and suicide.
Nov 30, 2010
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To fix it, you seal up security first. Eliminate the source of the problem.
Then you can also try to make it less profitable and remove the financial motivation of the leaks. Sanction advertisers on the web site with civilian boycots, for example, or seize US accounts held by wikileaks until sources are revealed is another option if a leagal case can be made.
We can't fight international crime by broadcasting our investigations. We can't depose dictators by open public discussion alone. It takes a little bit of dirty fighting to win a street fight. That's nothing to be ashamed of.
Nov 30, 2010
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Nov 30, 2010
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Face it man: Tyrants fail, force cannot maintain its rigor forever, and the ruins of empires based on the poisonous mantras you spit out litter the mud of every inhabited continent. You cannot "rule" forever.
Only peaceful, lawful civilizations endure - your twisted methods sow discord, hatred, and warfare. Liberty and friendship are what human nature desires, not the counterfeit currency you call "order".
Empires must collapse when they become corrupted; they must not endure beyond their time. Tyrannies must fall when their strength is dissipated - this is the natural order.
When the rich and powerful agree to interfere with this process, institutions live beyond their natural time and this creates the disease, chaos, and disorder we presently endure in our societies.
Nov 30, 2010
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Wow. Do you really believe that? I think that's clearly wrong. Not everyone is prosperous, but our societies, with all their ills, are currently enjoying health, wealth and prosperity like never before. The arts and sciences are expanding at an explosive rate. Human life span and quality of life are better than ever in many places. Food production exceedes anything dreamed of 100 years ago. Global communication is leading to more globalized economies and politics every day.
I would guess that most people from previous times would choose our time over any other. I look forward to 'enduring' a HD movie streamed from Netflix on my big screen later this evening while I lament the tortures of modern life.
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miserable ideology
poisonous mantras
twisted methods
counterfeit currency
natural order
-You choose the ideology which allows for the chance to generate the most pretentious phrases per post. You forgot 'dastardly villains' and 'cursed evil'.No, your ideology, when empowered as in the isolationist movements before the world wars, only leads to greater eventual destruction. You would rather palliate the symptoms of unrest rather than address the cause, as Neville Chamberlain did with the third reich.
http://en.wikiped..._1938.29
We know better now. Appeasement and concession never work with cultures whose own form and function make them inexorably aggressive.
Nov 30, 2010
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"Der Speigel gets specific and writes: "Around half of the cables that have been obtained aren't classified and slightly less, 40.5 percent, as classified as "confidential." Six percent of the reports, or 16,652 cables, are labelled as "secret" and of those, 4,330 are so explosive that they are labelled "NOFORN," meaning access should not be made available to non-US nationals.""
Nov 30, 2010
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http://en.wikiped...nisation
"Grigory Logninov claimed in April 2006 that the SCO has no plans to become a military bloc; nonetheless he argued that the increased threats of "terrorism, extremism and separatism" make necessary a full-scale involvement of armed forces."
Nov 30, 2010
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http://www.global...rl02.htm
At the end of the day though, you can't be enemies with everyone. Sometimes its a case of choosing the lesser of two evils rather than being able to choose good over evil. Frajo is always a radical though. He's such a hater.
Nov 30, 2010
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Good link. Thanks.
Nov 30, 2010
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Nov 30, 2010
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China- 3400 yrs
Egypt- 3200 yrs
Mayan- 2900 yrs
Byzantine- 1000 yrs
Rome- 1300 yrs
-http://askville.a...=6023868
-All of which lasted far longer than any western entity, and none of which were particularly peaceful or 'lawful'. They usually endured by waging continuous wars, often against their own people.
If youre talking about those which exist today, they have also been involved in near-constant warfare since inception, and their futures all remain very uncertain given projected threats.
You say things while trying to be poetic but they dont often survive even cursory scrutiny. Do they now?
Nov 30, 2010
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Chamberlain did not share my ideology, and appeasement and concession to foreign aggression is not a traditional majority view among Americans. It is, however, a constant minority view among our people. I tend to favor justice and a strong defense.
The Reich we challenged and defeated in the 20th century finds a worthy ally in your cantankerous "rule by power" ideology.
You consistently agitate for the end of independent nations and the suppression of individual liberty so the powers may act uncontested. You snidely platform malevolent social theory as though it were lofty and accepted philosophy.
I can only interpret your agenda as hostile to the republic of the United States and contrary to the natural sentiments of the majority of my people.
You can always take your platform to the polls, Otto, I'm sure the public would love to hear what you really have in mind.
Nov 30, 2010
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I advocate very little (except an end to religion, like your buddy thrashymachus). I only try to interpret what I see. In this you and I are drastically different. You pontificate; I would see the office abolished.
Nov 30, 2010
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The Power of Consensus and Approval... This is why real democracy can never work, why the people must always be told who to vote for and why. Because thats what they really want.
Nov 30, 2010
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I think this leak is intentional and primarily aimed DPRK and other 'axis of evil' countries. Assange would be inside a plastic dry-cleaning bag with with a hole in his head at the bottom of a body of water if the US really had misgivings about his activities.
Dec 02, 2010
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