Chevy Volt's official mileage: 93 mpg on electric

93mgp. How many kilos of coal?

93mgp. How many kilos of coal?

None. At least where I live. We're all hydro power. Awesome.

[C]oal? None. At least where I live. We're all hydro power. Awsome.

Awesome ignorance! Either 'Gaawd' is off grid and has a very narrow outlook or has a very narrow point of view.

Most of the First World is 'gridded.'

93mgp. How many kilos of coal?

Cars use energy! Great insight captain obvious. Make sure that the food you eat to power your bicycle is grown, harvested, and shipped to your table without using any form of fossil fuel.

The production of electricity requires roughly three times as much primary energy on average, so it's a bit debateable whether or not the car actually saves any.

Plus, if I remember correctly, the Volt has the capability of driving the wheels directly from the gasoline engine, and will do so at highway speed anyways, so if you drive fast it won't use the battery.

"so if you drive fast it won't use the battery" - Fekka

No worry, in order to conserve fuel, maximum highway speeds will be reduced to 40 Mph in 10 years time anyway.

"Make sure that the food you eat to power your bicycle is grown, harvested, and shipped to your table without using any form of fossil fuel." - Angry Mongrel

Rage against the wind my little American toadie. Your National fate - Oblivion - has been decided.

"Make sure that the food you eat to power your bicycle is grown, harvested, and shipped to your table without using any form of fossil fuel." - Angry Mongrel

Rage against the wind my little American toadie. Your National fate - Oblivion - has been decided.

Your attempt to be relevant and prophetic sets the standard for being irrelevant and pathetic.

Get a good Diesel engined car and you will get similar mileage, and it will be a *lot* cheaper.

Owning ANY GM car is its own punishment.

GM's success on the quality front is dismal. With conventional cars and mountains of spare parts, the masses are forgiving. With new technology their success rate is practically zero. Place your bets.

P.S. Last week I had to give a Prius a jump start - where does that leave GM.

"Your attempt to be relevant and prophetic sets the standard for being irrelevant and pathetic." - Patheticoid

Tell us the logic by which you conclude that by insulting the messenger you have changed your fate?

The production of electricity requires roughly three times as much primary energy on average, so it's a bit debateable whether or not the car actually saves any.

Actually, the real trick is turning electricity from hydro,wind,and nuclear into gasoline. The fact is, the volt can utilize a more diverse spectrum of energy sources. The trick is to focus on switching our energy sources to renewable and cleaner sources instead of worrying about the most efficient way to burn petroleum.

"Your attempt to be relevant and prophetic sets the standard for being irrelevant and pathetic." - Patheticoid

Tell us the logic by which you conclude that by insulting the messenger you have changed your fate?

I don't recall him stating that his insult will change his fate. He just wanted to insult you. He probably wonders by what method you have concluded that his fate is oblivion. Of course, all nations fall eventually and thus your prediction is unimpressive. Do you see any indicators present in the U.S. that imply our demise that are not present in the majority of nations at this moment or in recent history?

Actually, the real trick is turning electricity from hydro,wind,and nuclear into gasoline.

Why gasoline?

Although it's perfectly feasible to use renewable energies into pyrolyzing biomass and producing hydrogen to generate synthetic liquid fuels, it's much simpler and more energy efficient to produce methane and use that directly in a fuel cell.

All the renewable energies have a problem of scale, because you need millions of windmills and thousands of square kilometers of solar panels to produce a significant amount of energy. I don't think it will matter in the near future anyways, no matter how green it would be to charge your expensive electric car from a windmill, because we simply don't have enough of them.

Actually, the real trick is turning electricity from hydro,wind,and nuclear into gasoline. The fact is, the volt can utilize a more diverse spectrum of energy sources. T

Need to develop more efficient biofuels (algae or other microbiota derived fuel would be least controversial), which is exactly the field of research I am in. Happy days :)

"Your attempt to be relevant and prophetic sets the standard for being irrelevant and pathetic." - Patheticoid

Tell us the logic by which you conclude that by insulting the messenger you have changed your fate?

Fate is nothing more than an outcome implied by extrapolation of a trend into the future. The universe is inherently random so such extrapolations are meaningless. The best that can be achieved is a set of possible outcomes and odds of their occurrence. Therefore, there is no such thing as fate, making you a messenger of nothing. By pointing out your pathetic irrelevence with my insult, I may influence others just enough to improve the odds of a more favorable outcome than oblivion.

See you around.

The EPA is full of BS. They left off the cost of the Volt battery, about twice the cost of the electricity.

The Volt battery costs about 9.5 cents/mile ($9,500 and lasts 100,000 miles). The cost of electricity (at 10 cents/kWh for a "fill") is about $1.60. The cost for 35 miles of Volt driving is therefore $1.60/35 = 4.6 cents/mile, plus 9.5 cent/mile battery cost = 14.1 cents/mile.

Compare that to about 11 cents per mile ($2.80/gallon) for gasoline in a car getting 25 mpg.

The EPA is full of BS. They left off the cost of the Volt battery, about twice the cost of the electricity.

But you may get it subsidized, which means somebody else is paying 2/3 of the cost of your driving.

Actually, the real trick is turning electricity from hydro,wind,and nuclear into gasoline. The fact is, the volt can utilize a more diverse spectrum of energy sources. The trick is to focus on switching our energy sources to renewable and cleaner sources instead of worrying about the most efficient way to burn petroleum.

Speaking of clean
http://www.scient...-dioxide
Hydrocarbons could still be used while also providing building materials and desalinated water. Considering how much CO2 conventional cement manufacturing makes ,this is called killing two birds with one stone*. It would be profitable as well.
(*no actual birds were killed)

What a disappointment. Jaguar (Ford) is already building V-6 turbo diesels that get just about that.

Lame technology for as much grant money and tax breaks they received to build it.

Very cool. So now we have a vehicle that works great on electricty. Next problem to solve, make electricity from wind, water, and solar power, maybe fusion power when we figure out how to generate it. Cool. So lets get hopping!

We're not going to get off coal anytime soon, but when we do, we'll be able to get great mileage.

The EPA is full of BS. They left off the cost of the Volt battery, about twice the cost of the electricity.

Batteries are not going to cost that is 5-10 years when it comes time to replace. As these vehicles become more standard in the market, the prices of batteries will drop significantly. Right now prices are premium because it is a high capital investment that will be depreciated once more product is made. You factor that in with an expected increase in oil prices you are doing better than gas, and it keeps us from giving all our money to people who what to kill us and puts it back in US hands.

"Fate is nothing more than an outcome implied by extrapolation of a trend into the future. The universe is inherently random so such extrapolations are meaningless." - Patheticoid

Science is nothing less than the discovery, isolation, and utilization of the laws of nature that are the substance of fate.

Your argument is that fate is not possible because the universe is chaotic, is simply a claim that all of science is invalid.

Not only does your claim illustrate your ignorance in science, but it illustrates your ignorance of chaos and randomness as well, thus leading even more credibility to the observation that your national fate is oblivion.

"The EPA is full of BS. They left off the cost of the Volt battery, about twice the cost of the electricity." - American Idiot

I see. So in your view the Mileage of the volt can be what the EPA claims because you don't like the cost of the battery.

You know. When I was in grade 2 my class learned that you compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges.

Were you home from school that day my little Brainless American? Or perhaps you were cowering under your school desk, dodging bullets.

After doing a Google search on Vendicar I see that he will get along famously with EVERYONE. And especially with the RightWingNuts, Global warming deniers and even us Americans that think the previous groups are somewhat out of touch with reality. This is because he is clearly a Troll even if I agree with some of the posts I saw.

He seems to have come here after being banned time and again.

Funny thing is I was thinking about making a joke that he must either be a Islamic fanatic OR a Canadian who's hockey team keeps getting whipped by oh say, the Anaheim Ducks.

Then I got to the last link of the first ten on Google.

http://www.republ...horities

Vendicar must be the Troll's Troll to inspire such over the top responses.

He will do well here. Right up till he is banned. Which shouldn't take long.

Ethelred

[C]oal? None. At least where I live. We're all hydro power. Awsome.

Awesome ignorance! Either 'Gaawd' is off grid and has a very narrow outlook or has a very narrow point of view.

Most of the First World is 'gridded.'

Look to your own awesome ignorance Dougy: it doesn't matter if its gridded or not from here, because we're by far a net exporter of power and virtually all of it comes from hydro. Don't worry, I have no plans to go for a ride under your rock where coal is apparently the rule and any kind of progress sneered at.

Science is nothing less than the discovery, isolation, and utilization of the laws of nature...

Agreed.

"...that are the substance of fate."

Wrong.

"Your argument is that fate is not possible because the universe is chaotic, is simply a claim that all of science is invalid."

Quantum physics allows us to determine the possible outcomes of an observation and the odds of their occurrence. It does not allow prediction of which outcome will occur for any given observation. This makes fate a meaningless concept without making all of science invalid.

"Not only does your claim illustrate your ignorance in science, but it illustrates your ignorance of chaos and randomness as well, thus leading even more credibility to the observation that your national fate is oblivion."

More nonsensical logic from the poster boy of pathetic irrelevance.